Pepe the Frog Is Dead (theguardian.com) 358
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: The creator of Pepe the Frog has symbolically killed off the cartoon frog, effectively surrendering control of the character to the far right. Matt Furie, an artist and children's book author, created the now-infamous frog as part of his "Boy's Club" series on MySpace in 2005. Pepe took on a life of its own online as a meme, before being eventually adopted as a symbol by the "alt-right" in the lead-up to last year's U.S. election. In September, Hillary Clinton identified Pepe the Frog as a racist hate symbol, and Pepe was added to the Anti-Defamation League's database of hate symbols. Furie launched a campaign to "Save Pepe," flooding the internet with "peaceful or nice" depictions of the character in a bid to shake its association with white supremacy and antisemitism. But he now seems to have conceded defeat, killing the character off in a one-page strip for the independent publisher Fantagraphics' Free Comic Book Day. It showed Pepe laid to rest in an open casket, being mourned by his fellow characters from Boy's Club.
Drawing more attention to Pepe (Score:5, Insightful)
Drawing more attention to a meme isn't really the best way to kill it off. Now it's all Jesus-motif Pepes.
It's not easy being green.
Re:Drawing more attention to Pepe (Score:5, Insightful)
If only there were a celebrity example of trying to suppress information online which in effect draws more attention to said information. That way we could give it a clever name as a warning to other... Oh, wait. [wikipedia.org]
Pepe died for your memes to be dank.
Re:Drawing more attention to Pepe (Score:4, Insightful)
The only people that want pepe dead are those on the left who continue to push that a meme from 2008 [knowyourmeme.com] is a "hate symbol." [dailycaller.com] FYI that's fake news. And said bullshit of it being a hate symbol was nothing but a troll by an individual to screw with the absolute lack of fact checking by the media. It's no different then people trolling the media that the following things are also hate symbols: OK gesture. [knowyourmeme.com] White milk. [inquisitr.com] The entire American Sign Language, among other things [heatst.com]. If anything people have simply had enough and decided to crash the media with no survivors. I wish them the best, and may kek be with them.
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may kek be with you and your memes be dank.
Re:Drawing more attention to Pepe (Score:5, Informative)
Pepe is considered a hate symbol because if you go over to 4chan's /pol board right this very moment you will find a huge number anti-Semitic, racist and and hate-mongering memes featuring him. 4chan users use Pepe as an image macro, a short-hand for far right political views that are mainly defined by a hatred of almost anyone non-white. In fact, a common question on /pol, so common in fact that the pinned first post warns about asking it, is if a certain group is "white", since all non-whites are degenerate in their eyes.
Don't take my word for it, go to 4chan's /pol right now and check for yourself. NSFW, obviously.
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I'm not even going to begin to point out the errors this time, but I have a history of trivially pointing out your lack of both knowledge and logic... by simply quoting you. Think about that for awhile.
Re:Drawing more attention to Pepe (Score:5, Funny)
"I could produce a great argument, but I'm not going to bother so just assume I made one, okay?"
Keeping up to your usual standards I see.
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I'm not even going to begin to point out the errors this time
Why not?
Saying "you're always wrong about everything" isn't a terribly convincing argument.
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He is one of the dumber ones only to be TRUMPED(lol) by billy gates. Who tries to lecture people on how computers and the Internet works without actually knowing how either work.
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That part where you don't even understand the basics of chan culture. I'm not sure what's funnier, that you continue to parrot bullshit over and over and over again. Or that you seem to believe it. Whether it's "gamergate is full of misogynist neckbeards" supporting Sarkeesian the idiot that believes demurely dressed Elizabeth Comstock is "sexualized" [i.redd.it] or the "pepe is a hate symbol." Thanks for explaining and showing everyone what a normie is though.
Gonna be a real blow when you find out that those "whi
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Or one of those multiple big name anti-gamergate people have been arrested, ... [ageofshitlords.com]
Because when you reread something twice and edit something to break a link.
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Mashiki, your rant doesn't actually address the point that by simply examining /pol at any given time you can find all the evidence you need to understand why this conclusion was reached.
By the way, still not going to enter a moderated, public debate with me? You pick the topic.
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Um, it really can be explained by "reaction pics". Pepe is a template for reaction and memes.
An eagle is not racist for being a part of nazi imagery. Intent and Context matter.
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In a practical sense, if someone posts a Pepe meme along with "I hate Jews", what is the actual difference if they are doing it because they really hate Jews or because they just want to annoy people?
Okay, the person posting it is a different kind of fuckwad in either case, but the message is the same, the effect on Jews is the same, and the actual racists reposting that stuff on Facebook don't care...
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I expect better from slashdot readers
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I hate people of (insert race here)
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people get their jimmies ruffled by X - so lets spread X for the lulz
if people can be that easily manipulated that a cartoon frog is "racist" for no real reason other than a subset of people say so, it does nothing but prove what many of us have been saying for years and that is the term racism (and nazi) have lost all meaning due to being so vastly misused
. . .and on the Third Meme. . . (Score:2)
. . . . Pepe arose from the dead. Although he **IS** fighting it out with Jesusraptor. Geeze, people, it's MEMES and 4CHAN. . .
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Who used it first? Oh that would your dear supreme leader Hillary. You guys get worse by the day.
Furie became a pawn. Got used & now discarded (Score:3, Insightful)
So Matt Furie demolishes his own house because the media wouldn't stop bugging him about how Twitter nazis were building similar looking houses and throwing wild parties in them. Despite the ADL explicitly stating that "the majority of uses of Pepe the Frog have been, and continue to be, non-bigoted", pro-Clinton journalists continued in their all-out effort to remove this thorn from Clinton's side. Their tactic, as usual, was to divide an unwelcome movement by shaming those susceptible to the fallacy of gu
Sad... (Score:4, Funny)
Feels Bad Man (Score:5, Funny)
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Writes witty reply.
Except for one thing... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Well, there was that one time [imdb.com]...
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You can't kill a cartoon character. You can drop an anvil on his head. You can slingshot him into a mountain. You can blow him up with TNT. All these things (and more) happen to a particular coyote, and yet every week, he still comes back. Maybe limping and wrapped in bandages, or blackened from the explosion, but alive nonetheless.
Everyone in Toon Town knows how to kill a cartoon character - a solution of turpentine, acetone, and benzene.
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It's symbolic. The creator was reacting to both Macron's victory in France, which many on the far right seem to consider a huge loss. They thought that with Brexit and Trump they might be winning, but there has been a wave of rejection of populist and far right politics in Europe lately, which naturally they predict will result in the continent becoming an Islamic 3rd world country within a decade...
More over, the creator of Pepe is saying he is giving up on the character. He can't be redeemed or recover fr
A sad loss. He will be missed. (Score:4, Funny)
Dibs on the legs.
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Dubs for the legs.
FTFY
Boy's Club? (Score:2)
Boy's Club? Membership of one?
fake news (Score:4, Informative)
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09... [dailycaller.com]
Dead to Furie, alive to us all. (Score:2)
Not all share in Furie's delusion.
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This isn't "surrendering control" (Score:2)
The creator of Pepe the Frog has symbolically killed off the cartoon frog, effectively surrendering control of the character to the far right.
Err, no, that's not how copyright works.
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Perhaps he meant cultural control, not legal control. After all copyright rarely interferes with things spreading organically regardless of the copyright holder's wishes.
Pepe the Frog Is Dead (Score:2)
Long live Pepe the Frog!
It was the French people that killed him.. (Score:2)
They cooked him in a butter, wine and garlic sauce and had him for dinner over the weekend.
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Hehe they sure did! Shame what happened to Pepe the comic character, but it looks like the alt-right is cooked!
Fork Pepe! (Score:2)
I will show myself out.
It's pretty much the same thing as "Archer" (Score:2)
Archer's spy organization couldn't be ISIS after Daesh took that name. 4chan did to Pepe what they did to Rage Guy and now that's dead, too. It's crystal clear 4chan's the real enemy.
Going to break the circlejerk (Score:2)
Careful (Score:2, Insightful)
You should not automatically categorize people as "anti-semitic", "homophobic", "racist", "white nationalist", etc just because they oppose your political aims. You caused a cascade of events when you kept up that behavior.
Take for example all the factory workers who have lost their jobs since globalization began. They, according to Warren Buffet, are "road kill". When they protest, you do what? Call them all of the above.
There are far more categories of people than just those. You need to stop.
He hasn't killed off shit. (Score:2)
Sure, he may have given a reason for ceasing use of the frog artwork HIMSELF.
But the meme jihadis are going to continue using it regardless.
Hell, now that the creator's effectively renounced it, they may even use it MORE. For the lulz.
Sit back and actually THINK about this for a sec.
We've reached a point that, by effectively TOUCHING something, we create a situation where a content creator considers it "destroyed" and relinquishes ownership.
Do you realize what kind of power that imbues on people?
If you wan
Head for the hills? (Score:2)
Every time somebody raises concerns about the current trends towards hate, distrust, racism and shameless, outright lying, it seems a group of howler monkeys start up, trying to drown out any comment they don't like, using any means they have at hand. I suppose we should all be grateful they generally aren't all that intellectually well-endowed, and that most of it is just meaningless nonsense. It used to upset me, because I genuinely like to have an honest discussion about things and try to cultivate an at
This is quite amazing, really.... (Score:2)
Just to summarize...
There is a story, that has made "the news", where a cartoon frog has been "killed off". This frog was an obscure image that was picked up by people on the internet as a way to make on line jokes. It was one of many many images used for this purpose. As making and sharing these memes became more popular, it was used more and more to incite a reaction in other people. This actually found its way into the presidential election process. Now people are sitting around on a message board d
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Personally, I blame the people who defamed the frog. Not the strawman reason for why they did it.
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4chan did it exactly for this reason.
They saw normal celebrities using the meme and wanted to ruin it, so several hundred people worked together to make it seem like racists and anti semites were behind it.
I know because I am one of them. I'm also Jewish.
Mission so fucking accomplished.. You have no idea how many times I've laid in bed at night jacking off to Hillary putting him on the same list as the Swastika. It is a magnum opus of trolling and manipulation.
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WOW. You really don't get it do you? YOU'RE the reason, Hillary is the reason, the ADL is the reason not some guy (or group of people) who trolled them knowing he/they would get a rise out of them such that they'd do something shit assed stupid & claim a frog is a 'symbol of racism'.
You & they don't even realize they are nearly as stupid as the guy who showed up at a Pizza parlor because of 'Pizzagate', while the former is more immediately worrisome because he brought a gun, the latter of vastly more worrisome to society as they've clearly dropped all pretense of thinking.
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The ADL said (unless it changed) that people were using Pepe for bad things, but that he was popular in general.
it said to use the context to make your determination. all the ADL was comment that he was being used as you were using him, but that he was not a hateful context free and to use your brain.
It was an accurate one paragraph description that would inform someone trying to figure out what this from in a storm trooper uniform was.
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In the context of speech, no one can make you feel bad. You have to do that to yourself. The entire world as you perceive it exists only in your mind. Your subjective experience, your meta thought analysis of the sensory perceptions you receive, is mutable primarily by your own thought and analysis.
If you read something and are offended, you take the responsibility of that offense. You did it to yourself. You, ion your infinite ignorance, created the offense.
So, in a very roundabout way, you just said
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I never heard of Pepe the Frog before the Left branded it a "hate" symbol. The Alt-Right gets all its needed publicity from the Left going nuts over it.
Political Version of Streisand Effect. By publicizing how awful it is, you're given them more publicity than if everyone simply ignored them. Good Job
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Yes the oh so open minded conservatives would see right though any trolling attempts on them. Like that obama was not born in the USA, or is a secret muslim.
They would never "over react" and elect some real life troll to be president of their club. Oh no, they are much smarter than that!
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Wrong and wrong. How about not posting bullshit?
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you people are insane. EVERYTHING anybody thats not anti trump hillary lovers do you refer to nazi-ism. dont you realize YOURE acting like the real nazis? its plainly easy to see..
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The most racist nonsense I have read , comes from do-good liberals saying basically "blacks can't help themselves". From wearing their pants down around their knees, to rioting over black cops not letting criminals go free, to shooting each other in Chicago, to learning in school.
I just saw a white feminist liberal arguing with black men about something, where she was completely wrong, and they called her Racist, and she freaked out. The problem with Racism, is that when you categorize people by race, and m
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Why can't the media, actually fact check things?
Fixed that for you.
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"I decided to shit in the middle of the floor. Why? So people will see my poop and maybe even step in it. That's the reason, it's a magnum opus of trolling and manipulation!"
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And guess what? The Nazis perverted the Swastika. It was an ancient Indian religious symbol before Hitler picked up on it. Out of your own mouth you prove yourself wrong.
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It was a symbol used all over the world for both religious and other purposes (like just depicting the sun or being a nice symmetric figure). But you are right that the
Nazis took it from India.
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The Pepe meme was some fucking brilliant false flag shit. Even today I still struggle to explain to idiots what happened. They are all convinced that white supremacists got together and used this stupid frog meme for nefarious purposes. Takes all of 3 seconds for a sane person to realize that makes no damn sense. What's just mind blowing is the number of real alt-right people who have jumped on thinking their peers are really into this shit.
4chan trolled the entire fucking world, and years later we'll still
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You don't?
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The "alt right" didn't do anything. The entire thing was a farce created by 4chan. They do it for the lulz. The mainstream media is absolutely retarded and when they see a bunch of Twitter posts about something they jump on it and run with it. For another example, see how they got a bunch of idiots to report on the "OK" hand gesture being a secret symbol for white power.
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While there is an element of truth in what you say, it's also true that people exploit the broad license given to humor for purposes other than getting a laugh. The lines between advocacy, humor, and trolling are increasingly blurred.
What matters in the current media environment isn't ideas, it's attitudes. It doesn't really matter that Obama isn't a Muslim; what matter is how hearing somebody say that makes you feel. An idea like this has political power even for people who don't actually believe it
Thi
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Element of truth? It's true. It's what happened. People decided to troll the media, and the media bought it - hook, line, and sinker - because they do ZERO fact checking.
The "alt-right" (which itself is just a label the media tries to apply in an attempt to attack people and groups) had nothing to do with it. At all. It was all fake. And the media, who is so concerned about "fake news", did what it does best and pushed fake news.
You go on about some bullshit about feelings and humor and again, the alt-right.
I gave you a factual account of what happened. It had nothing to do with feelings or the alt-right. It had to do with the media being played for the fucking idiots that they are. Regardless of your politics, seeing that play out exactly as fucking planned is fucking hilarious.
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Mate, 4chan didn't make Pepe a fake hate symbol. Their (or your) actions made Pepe a genuine hate symbol. You can call spreading hate speech "trolling" if you like, but it's still hate speech and will be called out as such.
And none of this "fooled" the main stream media. They reported on actual real events as they unfolded in real life. You might have caused those events, but they certainly were not fake. And yes, real life includes social media.
You might believe your fascist cavorting online is merely performative and so no harm is done, but when real people brush up against your performance they only see a Nazi.
In other words, you have it exactly backwords. In Real Life you are a genuine actual Nazi, it is only your online alterego that is a harmless prankster. Have fun you destructive little shit.
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And here I have no mod points :(
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You're being naive if you think trolling like this isn't political.
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The "alt-right" (which itself is just a label the media tries to apply in an attempt to attack people and groups)
Uh no. Alt-right is a self-applied label. The media is complicit in using it to describe groups which are better described simply as hate groups or nazis. Alternative right is what the white is right crowd is calling themselves now because they've hung up their bedsheets and wear suits full time.
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The mainstream media is absolutely retarded and when they see a bunch of Twitter posts about something they jump on it and run with it.
They may have looked like teh fools, but they got teh ratings. Mission accomplished.
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Why the media acts like they do with Twitter (Score:2)
The mainstream media is absolutely retarded and when they see a bunch of Twitter posts about something they jump on it and run with it.
This is correct and there is a good reason for it. Written media, particularly newspapers, is struggling to make money. Even online sources have so much competition that everybody is fighting for the same piece of the pie and the barrier to enter and compete is low enough for everybody to do it. Written media doesn't really understand social media, so the big companies have forced their writers to be on Twitter and maintain certain numbers of followers to keep their jobs. This had led the written media
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So, they're saying that supporting (or even not despising) the otherwise democratically elected president of the United States is "hate"?
Yes, that's what they're saying.
Historically, this sort of thing doesn't end well.
Witch hunts based on hystreia, dramatic storytelling and guilt by association aren't healthy for a society you say? Trying to coerce people into swearing a series of cultural loyalty oaths might have a downside?
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Hysteria? Check. Guilt by association? Check. Coercion? Check.
Your cultural purity policing is advancing steadily. Have you been studying the methods of the Islamic religious police? Are you all set to become the next Roy Cohn?
... doing nothing just makes you complicit ...
So, you're saying "you are either with us or with the terrorists"?
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Dramatic storytelling? Check. Hysteria - Check check check.
Maybe go see a psychiatrist. Balanced mentally healthy people don't feel beset on all sides by dramatic villains and enemies of righteousness. They don't spend their days obsessively telling themselves those sorts of stories.
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Why? Did she turn Pepe into a hate symbol?
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God you people are thicc..
ftfy
may pepe forgive me for this bad correction.
feelsbadman.jpg
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Only people who made Pepe an "alt-right hate symbol" were Hillary, the ADL, the MSM, and their idiot lapdogs like you. The article posted on Hillary's own campaign website used as their sole source of evidence a parody Twitter account (@JaredTSwift) that was clearly labeled as such. Of course liberals like yourself never bothered to look past the headlines because they can't help but jerk themselves off constantly about how racist everyone in America is, aside from themselves (which is why they need to conjure up hate crime hoaxes every other day).
Now that /pol/ knows the true depth of liberal stupidity, they've been inventing hate symbols on the daily. Soon smiling will be considered racist patriarchy by liberals and the MSM. Talk about an embarrassment to Americans.
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You do realize that you liberals, leftists, or whatever you call yourself has essentially removed all meaning from the word nazi that existed before 2015.. Now nazi means somebody that doesn't think the exact way I do. Therefor you are now a nazi since our thought pattern does not align. Thank you. That is all.
Re:Does killing a character release the copyright? (Score:4, Insightful)
Money isn't everything.
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Who is he at war with?
Re:kek (Score:5, Informative)
Basically, in World of Warcraft when a horde player typed "lol" into chat an alliance player would see "kek" because Blizzard made it so each faction couldn't chat with each other (was kind of fun really).
It evolved from there as it became an inside joke for "lol" or any kind of trolling in general.
The simplest way to understand it: trolls (horde) laughing and normies (alliance) not able to understand it.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/... [knowyourmeme.com]
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This shows that the only "internet" you know is social media. Key has nothing to do with pepe. You're spreading false information please stop contributing to the problem.
Re:Pepe isn't dead (Score:4, Insightful)
He's more popular than ever.
You've apparently confused Pepe for an entirely unrelated creative work that shares the same name and appearance as Pepe, but which is mostly certainly not Pepe. Given that Pepe is wholly owned by his creator and that his creator just killed Pepe off, Pepe is dead. Suggesting otherwise would mean that Pepe is not wholly owned by his creator, in which case you've just stripped his creator of the rights afforded by copyright, which suggests you don't align very well with the side you appear to be espousing.
Either Pepe is dead or copyright is dead. I'd say it's your choice, but it isn't, since the law makes it pretty clear that Pepe's the one that's dead, and you're simply mistaken.
As for this site making you throw up, it sounds like you may be experiencing high levels of stress. Might I suggest not being so invested in your own viewpoints that hearing alternative ones bothers you so? I'm still registered as a Republican* last I checked, but nothing about this article leaves me queasy in the least, other than that this guy's work was illegally co-opted against his will for something he finds abhorrent.
*Disclaimer: I didn't vote in the last election. I decided that no matter which was the lesser of two evils, I could not, in good conscience, support either of the sides. Ditto for the third-parties, who all looked to be as crazy as a bag of nuts this last time around.
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Pepe is dead, the same way Batman is dead. Killing him off didn't end him, he was just resurrected.
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So, what you are telling me is that Pepe is really just the Green Jesus of the internet?
Dare I say... feelsgoodman?
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Either Pepe is dead or copyright is dead. I'd say it's your choice, but it isn't, since the law makes it pretty clear that Pepe's the one that's dead, and you're simply mistaken.
For a law to have any relevance in the matter it must be effective and followed. When Pepe's creator starts suing people en mass for copyright infringement then we can declare the law won and pepe to be dead.
Until that time it is copyright which is dead.
Re:Pepe isn't dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Personally, I feel if you don't vote, you have no right to complaint and I would love that the govt (regardless of which party is in power) to strip the rights from you. Kinda like the purge.
So, effectively, you support stripping people of their First Amendment rights by compelling them to voice support for a candidate, any candidate, lest they be stripped of all their other rights?
To say the least, I heartily disagree. I don't recommend others abstain, nor do I take it lightly, nor do I consider it acceptable just because one is feeling lazy, but I reject the notion that anyone can compel me to voice support for something I don't support, and I'd advise you to do so as well.
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Except an electronic voting booth?
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He may be dead within the author's story which doesn't make any pictures of him appearing outside of that story somehow magically not him.
Want a proof? Try printing and selling a comic book with that "completely unrelated creative work that shares the name and appearance of Pepe but which most certainly is not Pepe because Pepe is dead" and see how well your theory flies with the court when you get sued for copyright infringement on Pepe.
Copyright is intended to be used for securing for limited Times to Authors [...] the exclusive Right to their respective Writings [wikipedia.org]. As such if it is Pepe, then it must be coming from the author or someone to whom he has granted a license. Anything else is a knock-off Pepe, which, depending on the degree to which it was knocked off, may or may not be an infringement of copyright.
By the logic you've proposed here, if you were to slap a Coca-Cola logo on the side of a bottle, you'd be getting sued for selling a
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I mean...was there a single decent meme created by the left during the 16 election cycle? With the likes of Carl the Cuck and AIDS Skrillix, Low Energy Jeb etc, the left came up with uh...."Love Trumps Hate"....rofl. For supposed tech-savvy millennials, you guys really dropped the ball on the internets in 2016