Le Pen Concedes Defeat To Macron In France's Post-Hack Election (reuters.com) 671
"France has voted for continuity," candidate Marine Le Pen said in the wake of her defeat in France's presidential election, conceding that Emmanuel Macron had a decisive lead. Reuters has ongoing coverage of Le Pen's concession phone call and reactions from world leaders. "France Rejects Far Right," read a headline at CNN, touting their own live updates and early results showing Macron with a 65.9% to 34.1% lead, "on course for a decisive win." Macron is schedule to speak at the Louvre museum (where the grounds were "briefly evacuated" this morning after discovery of a suspicious bag.) Quartz is calling 39-year-old Macron "the second Generation X president of a major world power" (after Canada's Justin Trudeau).
The election was closely watched after a 9-gigabyte trove of emails from Macron's campaign were leaked online. CNBC reports that "One of the most talked about emails makes reference to binge-watching Dr. Who and masturbating to the sound of running water. It sounds generally incoherent. It could be false, or maybe the person wrote it after a few too many." The New Yorker traces the leak to a right-leaning Canadian site, whose editor says he found the documents on 4chan. But Reuters is crediting WikiLeaks with providing "the largest boost of attention" to the leaked documents, according to an analysis pubished by the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, a D.C.-based think tank on international affairs. WikiLeaks tweeted about the leak 15 times, bragging to Reuters that "we were hours ahead of all other major outlets." On Friday WikiLeaks also disputed the Macron campaign's claim that the leak mixed real documents with fake ones. "We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us."
Saturday WikiLeaks noted that several of the Office files "have Cyrillic meta data. Unclear if by design, incompetence, or Slavic employee." And Saturday afternoon they added "name of employee for Russian govt security contractor Evrika appears 9 times in metadata for 'xls_cendric.rar' leak archive."
Meanwhile, on the International Space Station, French astronaut Thomas Pesquet voted from space. Feel free to discuss the election's results in the comments.
The election was closely watched after a 9-gigabyte trove of emails from Macron's campaign were leaked online. CNBC reports that "One of the most talked about emails makes reference to binge-watching Dr. Who and masturbating to the sound of running water. It sounds generally incoherent. It could be false, or maybe the person wrote it after a few too many." The New Yorker traces the leak to a right-leaning Canadian site, whose editor says he found the documents on 4chan. But Reuters is crediting WikiLeaks with providing "the largest boost of attention" to the leaked documents, according to an analysis pubished by the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, a D.C.-based think tank on international affairs. WikiLeaks tweeted about the leak 15 times, bragging to Reuters that "we were hours ahead of all other major outlets." On Friday WikiLeaks also disputed the Macron campaign's claim that the leak mixed real documents with fake ones. "We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us."
Saturday WikiLeaks noted that several of the Office files "have Cyrillic meta data. Unclear if by design, incompetence, or Slavic employee." And Saturday afternoon they added "name of employee for Russian govt security contractor Evrika appears 9 times in metadata for 'xls_cendric.rar' leak archive."
Meanwhile, on the International Space Station, French astronaut Thomas Pesquet voted from space. Feel free to discuss the election's results in the comments.
Good on France (Score:3, Insightful)
For rejecting fascism.
not surprising (Score:4, Interesting)
French politics have long been sick, and the sluggish economy with little hope for young workers is a result.
Sick how?
In every election cycle where the French have a choice between change and stagnation, all the parties who pretend to be opponents in the lead-up band together and urge everybody to vote for which ever final candidate is desired by the rich globalist investors class. It never matters who the candidates are, the press and nearly all the parties band together to oppose change and oppose anybody opposed to globalism.
The French people will now get several more years of stagnation terrorism, EU domination, burdens of EU bailouts for Greece, EU mandated open borders, etc and then they will get another chance at change.....which they will again stupidly reject because they are told to.
Re:not surprising (Score:5, Insightful)
Did you ever stop to think that's because maybe, no matter how much you may wish to moan about everything, this is as good as it gets?
I know, I know, you want to listen to the fascist who tells you she can solve all the worlds ills if we just blame it on those guys.
Yeah, Europe tried that, didn't work well, turns out it was actually much worse than what everyone is sticking to instead. Rather than assume everyone is an ignorant drone and you're the only enlightened person on the planet, maybe you should consider that in fact there's a good reason that people vote for the status quo that's made them the 5th richest nation in the world despite having a fraction of the world's population and resources to achieve that success?
Yes, I know, it's all terrible, everything's awful with the liberal West, it's terrible, sure, great, only it's just less terrible than all the alternatives. Even in the modern era you only have to look at Putin's Russia to see how awful the autocratic miserable hate filled blame gaming alternative is. I don't know about you but I'd much rather be at the bottom of the wealth ladder in somewhere like France, than at the bottom of the wealth ladder in Russia. That's why people rejected Le Pen, because no matter how bad things may appear to be in somewhere like France, no matter how much you may wish to whine about, no matter where on the wealth ladder you sit, you're still better off, and more free, than you would be under the alternative that was on offer.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Informative)
He did kind of signal that that was the future they can look forward to. [theguardian.com]
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
I guess you didn't visit Europe much?
Re:Good on France (Score:4, Funny)
Isn't lighting cars on fire the national past time of France?
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
As much as drive-by shootings are the national past time in the US.
Wait, sorry. I said something really stupid.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
Only in Chicago and other cities with the strongest of gun laws.
Re:Good on France (Score:4, Insightful)
Europe has even stronger gun laws and almost no murders compared to the US.
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Europe has even stronger gun laws and almost no murders compared to the US.
Europe actually has MORE murders than America.
I think you meant to say Western Europe, or the European Union.
Even in the EU, the murder rate is about 40% of America's, which is not "almost no murders".
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Informative)
You are a partially literate idiot.
Homicide rate vs total homicides.
Europe has more homicides [than the USA].
Nope. Whether you count homicide rate or total homicides, USA wins. [wikipedia.org]
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Nope. Whether you count homicide rate or total homicides, USA wins. [wikipedia.org]
Not when you consider all of Europe. Russia has a murder rate about twice that of America. Ukraine also a higher murder rate. When you look at the entire continent, Europe "wins".
Re:Good on France (Score:4, Insightful)
Not when you consider all of Europe. Russia has a murder rate about twice that of America.[...] When you look at the entire continent, Europe "wins".
If you want to compare Europe vs. America, please include Central America and South America. That you make your comparison more valid.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
Europe also has better access to healthcare (including mental healthcare), better social welfare, less class inequality, less gang activity, and generally ranks better on all the other things that lead to violent crime. I'm not sure how you can compare the two situations and blame the guns. Even between areas in the US, gun crime tends to happen more toward urban areas with lots of social problems, and not so much in the backwoods rural areas were everyone and their grandmother is carrying a gun.
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Instead we have a government that passed a bill to allow people with mental illness to purchase firearms.
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Clearly our leaders were thinking of their own self-interest on that one.
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The counterargument would be Canada, which is more diverse than the U.S., yet has less violence. But if you stare at that map and a homicide ra [huffpost.com]
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If we're going to look backward in time, are we allowed to look at Europe's (not at all) peaceful past [wikipedia.org], including starting two of the largest wars in human history? Non-homicidal Europeans are a relatively new phenomenon and time will only tell how long it lasts.
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As much as mass shootings are the national past time in the US.
FTFY - Drive-by shootings are so 1980's.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
And how is tucking tail, closing boarders, and turning allies into enemies going to make it any better.. all it means is you now fear outsiders AND your own citizens..
Terrorism thrives best with disinformation, mistrust, and fear and all Le Pen was pushing for was basically playing into those fears. You may be SURVIVE that way.. but survival and thriving/growing are completely different things.
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The way shooting yourself with your own gun is an American pasttime.
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Maybe the car arsonists were on strike
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Oh come on, you're exaggerating. World cups only every 4 years.
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Sure thing Uncle Stalin.
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People who think it's an example of medieval religious horror to show a pregnant woman a sonogram of her fetus need to be more activist at resisting female genital mutilation.
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Violent conflict almost is almost always attributable to economic reasons. More so the bigger it is. That doesn't mean religion isn't frequently used as a means to rally people to your cause. The IRA riling up catholic Irish against protestant English for example.
But if you want an example of some purely christian terrorists, the nutjobs who shoot up abortion clinics are a pretty good one.
Re:Good on France (Score:4, Insightful)
It always bothers me how easy it is to oversimplify something like this.
Nearly everyone would like to see some things change, and it's a certainty some of the people who voted for Macron would like to see a lot of things changed.
LePen characterizing this as a vote for "continuity" is a self-serving lie. "Continuity" and "Change" were not on the ballot. The only thing you can conclude is that French voters rejected the particular changes LePen represents.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.
Macron doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb, but if the Democrats had put up anybody like him, they would likely have won in the US as well.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Funny)
" Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice"
That's exactly who got elected. How's he doing so far?
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Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.
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Hindsight 2020 is what CNN will call their coverage of the next Presidential election.
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Hindsight 20/20 aside, we'll find out when his term is over.
His transition team still has not filled or nominated replacements for a several hundred important positions, the Obama people held over are either quitting or being fired when they refuse to do what is being demanded of them and Jared is already way over his head.
Re:Good on France (Score:4, Interesting)
Trump voters seem to still consider him the better choice [washingtonpost.com]. Personally, I have nothing to complain about.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
Nearly every word you use to describe Hillary can be easily applied to Trump.
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Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.
Time will tell if that is actually the case or not.
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Easy: Hillary was corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, war-mongering, and a party-hack. Bozo the Clown would have been a better choice than Hillary.
As opposed to Trump who is corrupt (hiring illegal workers and not paying them as well as colluding with a foreign government during the election), has repeatedly shown his incompetence (I thought it would be easier [cnn.com]), has lied since day one (Hillary's not in jail, Obamneycare wasn't repealed on day one, Mexico isn't paying for the wall, the swamp is filled almost to
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No, I was never going to vote for Clinton: she proved that she was an evil b*tch when she ran against Obama (who I voted for), and proved her incompetence in the subsequent eight years. I would have considered voting for a moderate, competent Democrat, but since I didn't pa
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Just FYI, the Russian short form for Vladimir would be Vova or Volodya. The latter because due to a vocal shift in Slavic languages over a thousand years ago the correct Russian form of that name used to be "Volodimer", but Russian has a lot of loan words from Old Church Slavonic (which is essentially a dialect of Old Bulgarian) where the aforementioned vocal shift went a different way.
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Too bad Bozo wasn't on the ballot; the USA might've had a shot at sane and competent leadership.
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Are you kidding? Castro was an evil, murderous dictator who condemned Cubans to a life of poverty and misery. And Castro allied with the USSR and other totalitarian and terrorist regimes by choice.
Re: Good on France (Score:4, Insightful)
But yet everything you quote there is correct. Castro did indeed create an amazing medical system for a third world nation and their education system isnt so bad. He was also a very skilled orator. I have zero love of communism and little love for Castro (I do admire his medical system) but Trudeau did not utter a single falsehood there.
Maybe you should examine your own intellect if you're questing Trudeau on that point.
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I would, but it would be mildly insulting to the US population. What the fuck you guys were thinking is beyond me.
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With what they had on the table as an alternative, it shouldn't really be surprising.
Now explain Trump's victory.
I think, first you have to explain to me how, in a nation of 200 million people, chance just happens to have arranged for the most qualified person to oppose Trump happens to be married to a former president. If you can explain that then please explain, why, outside a medieval dynasty, Mr Bush's son, Mr Bush actually becomes president. Finally, for an encore, explain how spending money is actually "speech" and so impossible for the government to regulate. Once we've finished those, then I will be able to
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explain how spending money is actually "speech" and so impossible for the government to regulate.
If you spend money to air a commercial should you be able to say anything political you want? (let's ignore the FCC and the stupid obscenity rules for now for simplicity) Can you spend your own money to support a candidate or call out another candidate/bill/politician/agency whatever you want? That is functionally the point. Because money allows speech to be aired or allows speech to be said then it must be that the government not limit what political speech is aired even if it costs money. It would be no d
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The issue is not whether you can regulate what someone says with their own money, it's how much money they can spend doing it during an election. The Citizens United decision unshackled the wealthy from any financial restrictions on influencing elections with their capital.
If you're a multimillionaire, and I'm an average American with modest capital, then unrestricted spending on political speech makes your megaphone is many thousands of times louder than mine. Do you think that's good for democracy?
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So being a Senator no longer qualifies as experience?
That could disqualify quite a few Presidents past.
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A place where anyone can lead the nation. Sounds more like a good thing than a bad thing even if the "anyone" can be bad. In any case during the campaign Trump (and all his faults) were compared to Clinton (and all her faults) and in a majority of states voters thought the later was worse. What is the the problem ?
I guess funny in that the primaries selected two terrible candidates but at the same time one of the primaries did select an outsider that was hated by that party elite. So, there's that.
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Informative)
The 26th most popular boy's name in Germany 2016 was Alexander. Mohammed doesn't even make the top 50.
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It's almost like other countries transliterate the Arabic word differently than you do. Curious. (FYI, even in English the spelling was "moslem" until quite recently, though many also just said "Mohammadian".)
Re:Good on France (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps one day something will change. But for now Europe is on the road to cultural destruction.
That's patently absurd and just by parroting and repeating these kinds of slogans they don't become any more convincing. Luckily the number of people like you is constantly declining, just look at how people vote across Europe and you'll see a constant trend towards the center left in generations The future belongs to those who care and whose descendants show up for it.
Future generations grow up with the Internet, they know that the world is just one large community, and they travel and live all across Europe. They know way better than you. Populist and far-right voters are older, in their forties and above, and generally misinformed. They will fade away. The world was never better than now, Europe is the best place on earth to live right now, and it's going to become even better in the future.
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Actually, le Menchion and le Pen were the leading candidates among young voters in the first round [qz.com]. Those who have never known prosperity are not buying the bullshit anymore.
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Is your entire comment satire?
I concur with his statement, as long as we're talking about Western Europe.
I currently live in Europe and been considering moving to the US for work reasons. Just decided to extend my stay here for at least another year.
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: Translation: Those rotten Frenchmen prevented the righteous Kremlinistas from undermining their election.
Bad day to be Putin (Score:5, Interesting)
Congratulations to the French people.
Re:Bad day to be Putin (Score:4, Interesting)
I for one am ready to believe everything bad of Putin, but I don't think this was him.
Compare and contrast with last year's interference in the US election. Most importantly: why did the leaks happen only at the very last minute?
I compared, I contrasted, and I saw exactly the same people at work, using exactly the same tactics. The release was at the last minute because that is when it is most effective, with the least time to counter it. They were incrementally improved the tactics that played out so effectively in the American election hijack.
Glad to see a little sanity (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Insightful)
This had to be said: how Macron will perform as a president is a giant question mark. This is the first public office the guy will hold.
What makes his win refreshing is that the alternative was Marine fucking Le Pen. In that sense this campaign was reminiscent to the Clinton-Trump election, i.e., a decision between a mediocre candidate and an unfathomable one. Guess the French were wiser this time around.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Insightful)
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That is very true. Then again the US electoral system is *ahem* interesting and quite unlike any other country in the world. It is quite normal to have close first turns in Europe.
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Elections for the US congress and senate are reminiscent of the UK electoral system, and most systems that descend from it (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.). The US presidential election system is pretty uniquely American.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Informative)
This is the first public office the guy will hold.
According to wikipedia, he was Minister of the Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in France 26 August 2014 – 30 August 2016. I think that counts as a public office?
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Based on what? He's never held public office and my very-left French partner (who campaigned hard for Hillary) has been calling him "nothing but a wet noodle".
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Well, if a Clinton and Trump supporters both don't like macron... that can only be good :P
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Exactly right. Many Bremainers and Clintonies were/are quite arrogant whereas this guy seems like a good guy. On top of it he looks very French. Stated policy goals play a part but we mostly vote for the person we like as another human being.
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Well, at least no skeletons in Macron's closet. You can hack e-mail and leak the contents to the public all you want. But if there isn't anything illegal/unethical/embarrassing in them, it's not going to affect the election very much.
If there was a hack but no leak, I'd worry more. Because that's when the adversary is likely to have found something usable as leverage.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:4, Informative)
Even if what you say is true, what of it? The French voted in a way to express their desire to remain in the EU. It's that simple.
You seem, some electorates are capable of looking beyond the political leader as an individual, and at the actual ideal itself, and a majority of French voters made it clear they had absolutely no desire to turn their country over to a far right nationalist who wanted to pull France out of the EU (even if, as it became clear she was losing, Le Pen tried to fabricate a European-friendly face).
The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis. In a way, it's irrelevant whether Macron has any of your supposedly required experience for leading (I mean, he was only a former banker and economic minister, so what does he know, eh?), the fact is that he represents moderation and pro-European sentiment.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Informative)
"The National Front are a pack of anti-Semitic Neo-Nazis"
It will be difficult to convince Louis Aliot (Jewish grandfather https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Aliot) and David Rachline (Jewish Ukrainian grandparents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rachline), both top-level leaders of the Front National.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:4, Insightful)
LOL "There's never been a problem with Jews".
No, Europe has never had a problem with Jews. No one's ever accused them of being separatist, not sufficiently Christian, "doesn't integrate". No one's every been able to whip up a crowd into heinous hateful action against the Jews.
This right-wing agitprop is just racism du jour. Discouragingly, apparently it will never end. A boot stomping a human face forever.
Re:Glad to see a little sanity (Score:5, Interesting)
Jews have been the scapegoats for a whole lot of things, there's plenty of hate to go around. There's not much a black man can do to make friends with a Ku Klux Klan member. But when have they ever made special demands for their religious minority? When have they demanded the rest of society bend to their way of life? When have they ever acted with disdain towards the society they live in? When have they committed atrocities against people who believe differently or changed religion?
They've been a despised pariah caste, but it's other people that have had a problem with the Jews, not the Jews that have had a problem with everybody else. In fact, they seem to be the world religion that cares the least about what non-Jews believe or do and make very little if any effort to convert others to Judaism. Try eating pork together with Jews and Muslims, it's neither kosher nor halal but I'll give you 100:1 odds that if anyone complains it's a Muslim. P.S. A lot of the arab world is still where Europe was before Hitler.
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He is right about modern Judaism being a non-proselytizing religion, because - according to Judaism - as long as people follow the seven Noah laws, they are fine. Moreover, people who actually want to convert are actively discouraged to do so by the rabbis.
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FYI, by far the largest numbers of Syrian refugees are in Islamic countries. The top three destinations are Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. Germany is #4, then it's Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait, and Egypt.
So to say "they're being routed to Europe" is kinda - well, not true.
Wow (Score:4, Funny)
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Slashdot has been 'cracked' by Russian trolls around the beginning of last year, but somehow they seem to have lost foothold recently. They mostly post as AC's nowadays. Maybe there were some changes to the moderation system behind the scenes to weed them out.
Well, Doctor Who is pretty cool. (Score:4, Funny)
Maybe there's something to that running water thing.
Which is it? (Score:2)
Re:At least, Putin is no sexist (Score:5, Insightful)
False (Score:4, Informative)
The Panama Papers revealed extensive, documented financial ties between Putin and Clinton cronies [battleswarmblog.com]:
And that is just one of the many [pjmedia.com] documented financial ties between Podesta/Clinton and Putin's regime.
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Russian hackers broke into the emails of the Democratic National Congress. Russian hackers published (allegeded or true) details from Hillary Clinton's campaign shortly before the election. Donald Trump's candidate for National Security Advisor Michael Flynn met with the Russian ambassador.
Whatever you are up to, stick to the facts!
Sexism and Democrats (Score:3)
Would you like me to spell out the 5 lunacies packed into that one phrase of his? Do you disagree, that, had Palin (or any Republican) said something remotely as idiotic as this, all newspapers and all TV-channe
Re:Here's the REAL 'hack' w/ fake votes (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, i'm pretty sure those account for the 65-35 lead Macron has right now.
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French citizen in North America voted on Saturday (local time). Our votes were counted yesterday.
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So, the "sensible" thing to do would have been to put fucking neo-nazis in power ?
Do you actually KNOW what the Front National is ? Where they come from ? What they advocate ?
That's the problem with people who think that one form of extremism is an acceptable alternative to another form of extremism. They learn nothing from history. They're simply unintelligent, it's as simple as that. They're not evil, or hateful, or racist/sexist/whatever. They're just plain below average intelligence.
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Exactly. Le Pen is the only slightly more pleasant face on a band of actual out and out anti-Semitic Fascists.
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Convincing a major western country to elect an extremist government by killing a couple of dozen people in a handful of low-tech attacks would be a pretty dramatic demonstration of the vulnerability of our current systems to terrorism.
Hopefully that doesn't happen.
Re:Sad day for Europe (Score:5, Insightful)
You can whine all you want about SJWs or political correctness, but there is nothing sensible about fascism. There is nothing sensible about ISIS either. Not all muslims are extremists and not all extremists are muslim. Those are very simple truths that you choose to refute.
One extremist begets another. And so on. At least the French are more aware of this than Americans.
Egalité, fraternité, liberté. Vive la France!
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I'm all for your parents forcing you into intense cognitive therapy, and taking away your computer until you learn how to communicate like a sensible and decent human being.
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The dangers are exaggerated and they know it for the most part.
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"Islamic state"? France?
What in the name of the good fuck are you talking about?
Re:Because open borders have worked so well for th (Score:4, Informative)
This argument is so unfounded in reality that it now has its own Snopes aricle detailing why it's BS [snopes.com], quoting a couple relevant parts:
There are valid concerns with regards to immigration and integration of immigrants from everywhere (including eastern Europe) but this assumption that somehow the muslims will 'outbreed' other Europeans is statistically entirely unfounded and based on numbers that the far.right blogosphere has pulled out of their ass.
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I'm not sure citing a President of Austria in regards to protecting the white race is a good look in Europe. Last time, it didn't work out so well for them.
Re:Bye bye France (Score:4, Informative)
Muslims have been in France for over a century. Unsurprising as France invaded and colonized the lands in which they lived.
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You (quite innocently I'm sure) left out at least one option. Russia performed the hack and planted false emails in the release because they didnt have any good dirt and some one fucked up a little in making the fakes.
As noted before, I'm sure it was a completely innocent mistake that you left out the biggest running theory right now as to what happened and the one the casts Russia in a poor light.
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The fact that you think that there was no option C: "Russia fabricated the off shore accounts" shows that you have a conspiratorial bent and your ideas are suspect.
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Turns out "wikileaks has been duped" can mean just about anything you want it to mean. That's fucking amazing.
Does it have to be in bold for that to work?
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The difference between socialism and fascism is like the difference between dying from bubonic plague and dying from smallpox.