Days Before Election: Macron Campaign Says It Is the Victim of Massive, Coordinated Hacking Campaign (cnbc.com) 233
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: A large trove of emails from the campaign of French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron was posted online late on Friday, a little more than a day before voters go to the polls to choose the country's next president in a run-off against far-right rival Marine Le Pen. Some nine gigabytes of data were posted by a user called EMLEAKS to Pastebin, a document-sharing site that allows anonymous posting. It was not immediately clear who was responsible for posting the data or whether the emails were genuine. In a statement, Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked. "The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said. In its statement on Friday, En Marche! said that the documents released online only showed the normal functioning of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation." "The seriousness of this event is certain and we shall not tolerate that the vital interests of democracy be put at risk," it added.
Putin at it again? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Putin at it again? (Score:4, Informative)
They funny thing is Le Penn has also filed a complaint about hacking by the "extreme left"! So whether that is supposed to attack the credibility of Macron's accusations or add to them, we dont know.
Re:Putin at it again? (Score:4, Insightful)
They funny thing is Le Penn has also filed a complaint about hacking by the "extreme left"! So whether that is supposed to attack the credibility of Macron's accusations or add to them, we dont know.
The thing is, the extreme left... or the left in general don't have a candidate in this election. Marcon is centre right (he's a banker), Le Pen is extreme right.
France is centre right leaning in general though, so I expect this to be a victory for Marcon, sadly not enough of a victory to put Front National out of its misery.
I wouldn't trust anything coming out of Le Pen to be accurate or grounded in reality. She's basically following Trumps strategy of attacking her opponent instead of announcing policy but in a far less competent manner (yes, I didn't think it was possible either).
Re:Putin at it again? (Score:5, Insightful)
"She's basically following Trumps strategy of attacking her opponent..."
Thereby becoming the first political candidate in history to do so.
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Politicians that try to emulate Trump tend to fail because they can't bring themselves to go all in. They just can't let go and say that stupid shit that puts them firmly in the post-truth realm. Can't bring themselves to mock the disabled or the other candidates' spouses, proving they will say anything with no filtration.
Basically they can't let go of their dignity and throw themselves 100% into the role. Trump can only do it because it's not a role for him, it's just him.
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because polling has always been 100% accurate.. lol
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No shit. He's up by 30 points in the latest polls. He will win in a landslide.
You mean that poll that has no polling data, no information on who was selected, no methodology and so on? In other news, Hillary Clinton has a 98% chance of winning. I saw it on CNN, so it has to be true!
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If you want to start a reasoned discussion about the pros and cons of the use of force of the previous administration you are welcome, but you will have to do more than just spout some immature insults. And you'll also have to be prepared for comparisons with the words and actions of the current administration on this subject.
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"In case you hadn't noticed Trump is doing a pretty decent job so far."
Well, he hasn't dropped his pants yet.
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That was uncalled for, I'm sorry, and I apologize for implying he was a womanizer.
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Kind of like how the North Koreans have announced their discovery of a plot to assassinate Kim using a biochemical weapon, you mean?
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As far as I can see, telling the bloody truth about what is going on in political party caimpagns, should be compulsary under law and attempting to keep it secret should be considered a criminal act punishable by an extended custodial sentence.
Those fuckers have no problem prying into our lives after they are elected and we have every single fucking right to pry into the tiniest detail of their election campaign and that should be mandated by law.
What an absurd notion, people running for election for publ
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Is this like when Trend Micro said that Russia was hacking the French election and oh by the way they "had no proof of a Russian role".
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0... [nytimes.com]
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yea i remember the "security" companies saying that the russians definitely hacked the election, and then about 2 lines from the end of the article it says they found no proof/items they could trace or track in the hacks. i wish i could remember what company that was. it was ran here on slashdot if you guys want to find it. but anybody that actually read it could tell it was an assumption by people that hated trump and wanted hillary to win(most of the tech industry from what i see lol).
Re: Putin at it again? (Score:4, Insightful)
So you don't think Russia has something to gain by a pack of Euroskeptics taking over major European countries? And this is hardly the first accusation laid against Russia in this regard.
Just how many of these hacks are going to have to happen before we all finally admit that Moscow is still the enemy of the West, that where it has no hope in hell of over economically or militarily dominating the Western alliance, it can try destabilize Western countries and the alliance itself.
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Wow, gullible.
So you don't think Russia has something to gain by a pack of Euroskeptics taking over major European countries? And this is hardly the first accusation laid against Russia in this regard.
And you don't think anyone has something to gain by implicating Russia in hacking elections?
Just how many of these hacks are going to have to happen before we all finally admit that Moscow is still the enemy of the West, that where it has no hope in hell of over economically or militarily dominating the Western alliance, it can try destabilize Western countries and the alliance itself.
Well it took 1 for you apparently. What kind of "hacker" doesn't know about VPNs and woudn't buy a new keyboard? The fact that a Russian ISP was involved and a cyrillic keyboard screams "fake." Nonetheless, I'm sure the "Russian hackers" will continue until everyone in the West is screaming for Putin's head and witch hunts are commonplace. Convenient.
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But we have always been at war with Russia. Oceania have always been our sworn ally.
If the security level around Macron's campaign was of a high level then it would lend some evidence to a "state backed super hacker". Then, sure, why not the keyboard is probably a plant. Or, like in the real world, Macron's campaign might have had the shittest security available (like the dude from the DNC) and the "hack" could have been some spotty teenager for shits and giggles.
Sometimes the simplest answer works... (prob
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But we have always been at war with Russia.
Yeah, except for that time when Russia lost 14 million lives in the fight against the Nazis and saved Europe. If the Nazis had taken Russia we'd all be speaking German.
Oceania have always been our sworn ally. If the security level around Macron's campaign was of a high level then it would lend some evidence to a "state backed super hacker".
Completely different from the MO in the interference with the U.S. election, which was apparently some trojan contained in a fake "software update" that the DNC admin fell for.
Then, sure, why not the keyboard is probably a plant. Or, like in the real world, Macron's campaign might have had the shittest security available (like the dude from the DNC) and the "hack" could have been some spotty teenager for shits and giggles.
Yep
Sometimes the simplest answer works... (probably worth pointing out that this doesn't weaken your argument against the shrill sounding GP).
The simplest sounding answer works sometimes, sure. But evaluating "what is the simplest solution" is no way to investigate. You have to look at MO, patterns, eviden
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Re: Putin at it again? (Score:2)
One man's offense is the others defense. We know the NSA and CIA have been trying to get rid of Putin and both the official US and EU channels have called for 'fair elections' and oversight in Russia which both of those have long histories of removing and installing their own friendly governments, including dictators through influencing or outright rigging elections.
Even if Russia did it (again, no evidence), shouldn't we be the example of democracy? Then why are we afraid of having a little oversight on co
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Why are you against transparency at any cost?
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If it's fabricated, there should be no need for concern, every party involved has its propaganda, people will choose who they choose regardless of opponent propaganda.
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I think the problem with all the people, politicians, and governments accusing the Russian state of hacking for the most part think that to charge Kremlin with such a crime it is sufficient only to make a case that Kremlin would benefit from it, and then pretty much stopping there.
Take for example the break-ins into the DNC server in the summer of 2016. Politicians (mostly the democrats or pro-war wing of republicans) and highly politically motivated executives fed us the lie that "17 intelligence agencies
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Personally I think Putin would like to bring back a version of the Soviet Union. NATO and a strong West are the line in the sand. Erase those, and he can build his empire. That's what I think he's thinking. Sabotaging U.S. and other elections is part of the process of dismantling the organization that stands in his way. Either willingly or unwittingly I believe Tru
Re: Putin at it again? (Score:4, Informative)
Russia has a lot of useful idiots in the West. Some, I think, just don't want to admit the candidate or political movement they favor is either the unwitting beneficiary of Russian hacking "largess", or, potentially much more sinister, is actively courting it. I view these people as just a more brainless breed of partisan. But I do think there are some who are actually rather sympathetic to Russia, who admire the more autocratic leanings of the current Russian government. The latter, when they gain positions of influence, while they may not be out and out agents or moles, are still fairly dangerous.
Le Pen's political movement, in particular, has historically pro-Fascist leanings, and most certainly views Russia in a fairly friendly light.
Re: Putin at it again? (Score:5, Informative)
Russia has a lot of useful idiots in the West. Some, I think, just don't want to admit the candidate or political movement they favor is either the unwitting beneficiary of Russian hacking "largess", or, potentially much more sinister, is actively courting it. I view these people as just a more brainless breed of partisan. But I do think there are some who are actually rather sympathetic to Russia, who admire the more autocratic leanings of the current Russian government. The latter, when they gain positions of influence, while they may not be out and out agents or moles, are still fairly dangerous.
Le Pen's political movement, in particular, has historically pro-Fascist leanings, and most certainly views Russia in a fairly friendly light.
Front National and Le Pen is officially endorsed and financially supported by Putin. and officially endorse Putin back.The favourable light is official
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Let's just call everyone who doesn't agree with the mainstream media a useful idiot, or wait, a Kremlin bot. Wait, it has already been done:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com... [nakedcapitalism.com]
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com... [nakedcapitalism.com]
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Just in case you do come back to check your handy work.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-backed-syrian-rebels-behead-8451881
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-president-elect-donald-trump-support-assad-putin-syria-remove-rebel-backing-a7413346.html
Sure. It's all fake news. I must be an evil Russian sitting behind my keyboard in the Kremlin... this never happened.
You're a fucking moron.
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Seems we have a bit of a pattern here, doesn't it? (Score:2, Interesting)
Now who could possibly want to damage Macron, other than the Le Pen campaign?
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Now who could possibly want to damage Macron, other than the Le Pen campaign?
His MILF's relatives?
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lol
Re: Seems we have a bit of a pattern here, doesn't (Score:2)
Anyone that has a beef with Macron which after the revelations of offshore accounts to accept bribes and evade taxes should be: every French voter benefits.
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So have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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This election is a strange one.
First turn, there were 4 major parties sharing about a quarter of the votes each, plus outsiders. This is unusual. Normally there are two major parties, like in many countries. Out of two traditional parties, the right wing candidate arrived 3rd and didn't pass and the left wing candidate ended up as one of the outsiders.
The result is that we now have two candidates that most of the population doesn't want. Meaning that many people will vote Macron to prevent Le Pen from passi
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I don't think Macron needs to worry about losing and probably he doesn't either.
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Hillary didnt need to worry about losing either.. and she was far ahead in the "polls" heh.
How is "Democracy at risk"? (Score:3, Insightful)
How is Democracy at risk over this? Does not "information want to be free"? Is not it good that voters know more about the candidate, than less?
Suppose, somebody hacked Trump's tax-returns — would that also be denounced as a threat to Democracy, or cheered?
Re:How is "Democracy at risk"? (Score:5, Interesting)
How is Democracy at risk over this? Does not "information want to be free"? Is not it good that voters know more about the candidate, than less?
It's good if the information is accurate. The problem here is that misinformation has been mixed in with the information. When people are misinformed, they make poor choices.
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How is Democracy at risk over this? Does not "information want to be free"? Is not it good that voters know more about the candidate, than less?
It's good if the information is accurate. The problem here is that misinformation has been mixed in with the information. When people are misinformed, they make poor choices.
And me without mod points.
The problem with recent elections is not the availability of information, but the availability of misinformation. Often the quality of accurate information is so bad, the less well informed cant tell the difference between information and misinformation. The result is, as you said, poor choices.
Exclusivity of our times (Score:2)
How is this problem unique to the recent elections? Mark Twain wrote his Running for Governor [loa.org] in the 1870 — you really ought to read it to get rid of these silly beliefs, that our contemporary politicians are somehow uniquely bad and good.
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That's not the only problem. When you hack only one candidate's campaign but not the other, and then search through reems of data in the one hacked candidate to pick out the "juicy bits" (particularly if you slowly drip them out in out in order to dominate the news cycle every day, but even if you just dump them all at once), you're going to inherently bias the results. Because among the hundreds of thousands of emails generated by a campaign, there's always going to be some "gotchas!" (you could dig throug
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Accuracy is always good, but a lot of it is subjective.
No, it's either a genuine stolen document or it's a false document designed to mislead. There is no middle ground.
And, besides, when Hillary's e-mails were posted, no one protested the content. People were outraged over "Putin" meddling in the US elections, but I don't recall anyone calling any particular e-mail a fake...
The truth was damming enough.
Besides, politicians — and their fans — lie and exaggerate all the time, it is par of the course. Why should the requirements and the expectations be higher for leaked info?
Exaggerations are just another form of lying. Either information is true or it is false. Everyone should be held to this standard.
The problem here is that misinformation has been mixed in with the information
Has it been? Citations?
The burden of proof comes on the original claim that they are genuine.
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I made no claim the dump is genuine. You, on the other hand, did claim, there are fakes in there:
It is now on you to cite an example of such misinformation...
Well, let's see... Is the sky blue? If Hillary Clinton said so last year, "Fact Checkers" would've agreed, that it is a "Mostly True" statement. If Donald Trump made such a claim, the s
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I made no claim the dump is genuine.
It need not be you that made the claim but the claim was made that these documents were taken from Emmanuel Macron's campaign. If no claim is made then they are considered to be original pieces of work meaning they are not from Emmanuel Macron's campaign. The former requires a burden of proof while the latter is assumed.
Well, let's see... Is the sky blue?
I was specifically referring to document authenticity. They are either authentic or they are not. Why do you keep bring up Hillary Clinton?
Everyone should be held to this standard.
Which omni-scient and benevolent deity would be doing the holding?
Accountability need no single overlord. It sho
On standards of proof (Score:2)
They may or may not be entirely genuine — but you did claim, there was misinformation mixed in. This was a claim — made by you — that remains unsubstantiated by any citations...
What? Why? For all we know, there may be a 1000 genuine copies of real documents and 1 slightly altered — to remain believable, but appear more damning somehow. This — adding a little bit of lies i
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"The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said. In its statement on Friday, En Marche! said that the documents released online only showed the normal functioning of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation."
Feel free to demand proof from The En Marche! Movement.
For all we know, there may be a 1000 genuine copies of real documents and 1 slightly altered
That would mean there are 1000 genuine documents and one false document. Anything taken from the this dump should be assumed to be that one false document until proven genuine.
It should be. It may even already be. But humans aren't perfect
I don't seek perfection, I only seek better than the present condition.
the statement: "he killed his wife and her lover" is false according to the "reasonable doubt" standard (used by criminal courts), but true on the preponderance of evidence (used in the civil suits)... So much for the "truth is absolute"..
Incorrect. Either he killed his wife and her lover or he did not. What is decided by a court does not change that reality.
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Thank you for the kind permission, but they aren't party to this discussion. You made the claim, you have to substantiate it. And you, obviously, can not.
But your comment, where the unsupported claim was made, is now highly-rated, which means, a number of people will accept the claim on faith. Congratulations on providing a good example of misleading.
Indeed! But which was it remains unknowable for t
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Thank you for the kind permission, but they aren't party to this discussion. You made the claim, you have to substantiate it. And you, obviously, can not.
My claim is equally as valid as the the claim that the documents are legitimate because neither has been proven. However, if you feel compelled to "win" this debate then mission accomplished because neither side can prove their authenticity or lack thereof.
The rest of your drivel is irrelevant. Congratulations on winning.
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No such claims were made in this conversation.
This is true about (nearly) everything said in or around politics. For example, the authenticity of Wikileaks' publications — so embarrassing to the US — has never been proven either.
And yet, it was this particular document-dump, that you claimed to have untruth mixed into it. Without citing anything — much less proving the cita
Who is this hacker 4-chan? (Score:4, Interesting)
> Has it been? Citations?
This is one of those non-denial denials. They use the statement to sow doubt about all of the documents, while leaving themselves an out when any docs are later verified. The last time someone claimed that, it was Donna Brazille. My past comments go into great detail, down to posting the DKIM keys and how to obtain them, as to why her statement could be proven mathematically false with a key from Hillary's own DNS server. Given that this confirms there are real documents out there, the onus should be put on the deniers to identify which items are fake.
It's fascinating how the media is only now catching up to this. It's also fascinating that nobody has bothered to show people where they might be obtained: http://archive.is/eQtrm [archive.is]
None of Hillary's E-mails were fake (Score:3)
Accuracy is always good, but a lot of it is subjective. And, besides, when Hillary's e-mails were posted, no one protested the content. People were outraged over "Putin" meddling in the US elections, but I don't recall anyone calling any particular e-mail a fake...
Hillary's E-mails were verified by their DKIM headers [erratasec.com]. As far as I'm aware, none of those E-mails have been shown as fake, and it would be pretty hard to fake the DKIM signature or claim that an E-mail was fake if it had a correct DKIM signature.
I don't know if a similar mechanism is available here, we'll probably find out in the next day or so.
Overall, I'm completely in favor of any correct (verified, impossible to fake) data dump on political candidates, including Trump and other GOP leaders if there were
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Quite easy: by controlling what is leaked and when.
What: make sure to only leak truths that hurt a certain candidate more than the other, preferably the one that you support.
When: make sure to do so a few days before general election, especially if the polls are showing the candidate that you don't support to have a considerable advantage.
What you're talking about is utopia: if people had access to all information at all times, yes, in that case I'd agree with you. But that's not what we have here, here we
Re: How is "Democracy at risk"? (Score:2)
And how many damning stories haven't you read about LePen? If one camp plays the holier than thou card for weeks on end they should make sure that their picks are outstanding citizens that have no dirt whatsoever. It seems to me they tried hard with Trump, releasing 20 year old footage 'strategically' even going as far as using NSA collected data and they couldn't find anything but what we already knew, that he's a ruthless, abrasive business person. We peek at a single mailbox of associates of these 'bette
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WHY the fuck is this modded down? seriously guys? seriously?
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Le Pen's camp is not allowed to say anything more about the election until it's over and nor is the other camp.
It's the law in France. No campaigning, no opinion polls are allowed in the last two days.
Reasons to not use Windows: (Score:2, Informative)
#3: You gonna get hacked!
Why do I assume it was a Windows machine that was compromised? Because it's always* a Windows machine that gets compromised.
* excludes all instances of morons running internet-facing PHP sites *cough*wordpress*cough*
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Windows hasn't been the most popular target for years. Applications have. Browsers have. Flash, Acrobat, SQL, SSL, *PEOPLE* have. Actually the biggest risk to any of your data is you yourself you incompetent phishable person susceptible to social attacks.
Out of all the major breaches in the past few years, few of them had anything to do with Windows. I personally think we should get rid of users. Users are a huge security risk. Maybe we should change all their passwords on them for their own protection.
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Yes, someone probably simply guessed someone's weak password.
What a tremendous success! (Score:5, Funny)
Julian, if you're listening, the check is in the mail. It's a bigly check, believe me. You're a great guy, many people are saying you're the greatest person to witness the Civil War. We're going to make the best prison pen pals, believe me.
No impact (Score:2)
This is not likely to have an impact, IMO, as majority of french voters are already convinced that both candidates are highly toxic.
Many will vote Macron while they hate him, because they consider Le Pen to be more dangerous. Hence a smear campaign against Macron is unlikely to change their votes.
Re:No impact (Score:5, Interesting)
Macron is still the favorite, so yes, this may come too late to influence the election, but in the longer term I think Western nations are going to have get used to, and find ways to deal with this tactic. This new form of propaganda cyberwarfare has allowed Russia to punch considerably above its weight, and time and time again we're seeing the goal here is to disrupt the Western alliance. It's certainly not a guaranteed win, as it now seems that Russia's alleged interference in the US election is likely backfiring, and forcing Trump to take a harder line, not to mention that despite Fox News and the Republicans best attempts to bury the news, the investigation into Russian ties to Trump's campaign are ongoing.
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This is not likely to have an impact, IMO, as majority of french voters are already convinced that both candidates are highly toxic.
Many will vote Macron while they hate him, because they consider Le Pen to be more dangerous. Hence a smear campaign against Macron is unlikely to change their votes.
The same was the case in the US, but there the last minute FUD worked. Though Macrons lead is not in single digits, so I doubt the Russians and deep state fascists can duplicate the feat.
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Indeed. It is a choice between "bad" and "far, far worse". Democracy is f***** a the ones that essentially did it are the utterly demented voters that understand nothing. Same everywhere, to different degrees (for now).
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The problem is that the worst is different depending of who you speak to. For instance, Emmanuel Macron is the worst for many working poors that have already being victims of his laws during Francois Hollande presidency. For slightly wealthier people, Marine Le Pen is the worst because she is a fascist.
You are a bit quick at pointing fingers to voters. The french presidential election is very badly designed. Here the two finalists gathered 45% of votes, and if you count citizen that did not vote, it falls t
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More dangerous in a time of regular terrorist attacks?
Many voters seriously tell France 2017 is like Germany 1933. For them, voting Macron is like preventing Hitler from grabbing the power. I do not back that reasoning, but that explains why they will vote for Macron while they dislike him.
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I'm not French but I'd back it. Le Pen is already a nasty xenophobe, the daughter of a quasi-nazi, and she denies occupied France's involvement in the holocaust. Her stance of extreme Russian appeasement should raise more than a few eyebrows too.
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That is true, but five more years of Macron's economic program (that is, EU mandated austerity) will certainly raise Le Pen vote even higher.
As an AC said above, this is "elect Bruening to avoid Hitler". This election is a problem without a good solution, only bad and worse.
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They dislike anyone they didn't already like. It would have been no different with Fillon or Melenchon.
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Indeed, the culprit is the election system that retains only the two first candidates, even if they do not even sum to 50% of the votes
Re:No impact (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not bad enough yet. The French indulge their delusions more thoroughly than you may appreciate. They're not going to shift gears until some mufti is mounting the heads of infidels on the Arc De Triomphe.
Le Pen had the best line of the campaign so far; France will be led by a woman — either me or Merkel.
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Le Pen had the best line of the campaign so far; France will be led by a woman — either me or Merkel.
What the hell does that mean? Is she suggesting that Germany is going to invade France again?
Have fun with your delusional Islamophobia though. ISIS will thank you for helping to keep their prisoners from escaping.
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I believe this is in reference to those who think Trump is the bully of the US, then Merkel is the bully of the EU.
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What the hell does that mean? Is she suggesting that Germany is going to invade France again?
No, she's suggesting that Germany will use the EU as a proxy to threaten other countries if they refuse to fall in line. Similar to what Germany has been doing to other countries in the EU. Especially against countries in the western part of the EU economic bloc.
Have fun with your delusional Islamophobia though. ISIS will thank you for helping to keep their prisoners from escaping.
A phobia is an irrational fear. There's plenty to fear from crazy religious muslims that use religion as their scapegoat. Whether it's to claim that said religion allows them to treat women as less then human, rape them because they're worth les
Oh boy.. (Score:2)
Why is there a strange feeling of deja vu? Anybody else have a feeling this is a scene out of The Matrix and you see a black cat cross your path yet again?
culpable? (Score:2)
Of course the culpable stuff will be 'fake'.
But I say: where there's smoke, there's fire.
Macron is a Rothschild puppet.
Assanger's SOP (Score:2)
- Target Progressives
- Leak at last minute to prevent effective rebuttal
- Seed with fake items in mass of mundane rubbish
There should be no doubt that Assanger is FSB asset.
Assanger recently meet the Farrage.
Expect a similar fake leak just before the upcoming UK General Election.
Troll Factory out in force today (Score:2)
This need to be exposed for what it is, 21st Century Propaganda from from Russia. The pattern is the same every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
At least the mails were obfuscated... (Score:2)
...since they were in French...
RUSSIAN MIND RAYS (Score:2)
Obviously the work of the Russians, based on... well, I said so. And the US hack had all the markings of a Russian hack, which we know all about in detail, and I'm sure every other major govt does as well, but nobody could have left that trail themselves.
And we know about the major hacking operation of sending a phishing email to John Podesta asking him to enter his password into a form on a random website, and Russian mind rays made him actually do it.
Re:Well it can't be the Russsians (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, they do — financed by Russia [heatst.com] Le Pen wants to lift sanctions against Kremlin and endorsed Crimea "occupendum" [independent.co.uk] as a legitimate transfer of Ukraine's land to Russia.
Re:Well it can't be the Russsians (Score:4, Interesting)
I was about to make a joke about your mixed metaphor "horse in this fight", only to discover that horse fighting is apparently a real thing [inquisitr.com].
Re:Well it can't be the Russsians (Score:5, Informative)
They don't have a horse i this fight.
Le Pen wins, the entire EU will likely collapse. The Russians don't have a horse in this fight. They have the whole barn and every living create in it in this fight.
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The word "create" instead of "creature" brought to you by 2:44am
Re: Well it can't be the Russsians (Score:2)
The entire EU has been on the brink of collapse since it began. Now the people are sick of the defacto German occupation of their countries destabilizing their sovereignty through forced trade and immigration.
Unlike the US individual states have a strong form of nationalism towards their states and the European Union has tried hard to erase that culture even going as far as ruling that local laws are trumped even when they don't cross the border.
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The entire EU has been on the brink of collapse since it began.
Please don't post while smoking weed. The EU has been on a steady growth with only local some old locals in countries bitching about it. There has always been talk of discontent but never anything material.
Now the people are sick of the defacto German occupation of their countries destabilizing their sovereignty through forced trade and immigration.
People are sick of muslim migration, that's about it. Forced trade? Yeah damn those Germans sharing wealth through creating a large free trade bloc.
the European Union has tried hard to erase that culture even going as far as ruling that local laws are trumped even when they don't cross the border.
Again no such thing. Culture is very much preserved. The only laws trumping local laws are nationalistic laws that seek to purposefully impede other countries
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So how about those strong net neutrality laws in the Netherlands then? Or the 'home copy' rights in Belgium and Netherlands? Or the tax on profits realized by religious "non-profits" in France?
They were removed by the EU because they had different laws and corporations spoke up. Same goes for immigration, various law enforcement and copyright laws.
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I agree. When I see cooperate I think it's a barrel-maker's wages.
After the break: for no apparent reason, when I see misled my first instinct is to rhyme it with sizzled.
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I prefer putting two dots over the second o, but Slashdot won't display it. (The two dots symbol over the o is known as a dieresis.)
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You mean, as "coördinated"?
I happen to have an ö key, but entity references also work.
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Yes, but according to preview that doesn't work! (as you can see)
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Works fine for me in preview as well. Check your charset settings.
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Whilst I agree that 'troll' is not synonymous with 'I disagree', your comment is sufficiently fact-free that were it possible, I'd mark it 'troll.'
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How dare they release proof of my illegal and immoral activity to the people I was about to con into electing me to the highest position in the land.
This is not a court decision or even a breaking story by a reputable news agency. This a leek. And more importantly — shortly before the election. As with any breaking story, at first there is a ton of confusion and disinformation and it takes time to figure out what is true and what is just a fantasy. You can't just do that in a day. If you think this leek is a "proof", I am glad you were raised in such an honest and trusting community.
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Just so you know... a leek is that big-daddy green-oniony looking thing that goes really great in soup.
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Just so you know... a leek is that big-daddy green-oniony looking thing that goes really great in soup.
Frankly, those 9GB might as well be :)
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This has the smell of something the Macron campaign released to blame on LePen. Someone wanting to help LePen would have released it earlier and given people a chance to examine the documents.
You have an *exceptionally bad* sense of "smell" and clearly no idea how a smear campaign is done. The document release was deliberately done *one hour* before a French law that imposes a media blackout on election discussions [sbs.com.au], preventing Macron from refuting the legitimacy of the documents in the document dump. Macron was way ahead in the polls--it makes ZERO sense for Macron to poison his own lead. The document dump has all the hallmarks of Russian election tampering that has happened both in the US an