Hillary Clinton, Election Officials Warn AI Could Threaten Elections (wsj.com) 255
Hillary Clinton and U.S. election officials said they are concerned disinformation generated and spread by AI could threaten the 2024 presidential election [non-paywalled link]. WSJ: Clinton, a former secretary of state and 2016 presidential candidate, said she thinks foreign actors like Russian President Vladimir Putin could use AI to interfere in elections in the U.S. and elsewhere. Dozens of countries are running elections this year. "Anybody who's not worried is not paying attention," Clinton said Thursday at Columbia University, where election officials and tech executives discussed how AI could impact global elections.
She added: "It could only be a very small handful of people in St. Petersburg or Moldova or wherever they are right now who are lighting the fire, but because of the algorithms everyone gets burned." Clinton said Putin tried to undermine her before the 2016 election by spreading disinformation on Facebook, Twitter and Snapchat about "all these terrible things" she purportedly did. "I don't think any of us understood it," she said. "I did not understand it. I can tell you my campaign did not understand it. The so-called dark web was filled with these kinds of memes and stories and videos of all sorts portraying me in all kinds of less than flattering ways." Clinton added: "What they did to me was primitive and what we're talking about now is the leap in technology."
She added: "It could only be a very small handful of people in St. Petersburg or Moldova or wherever they are right now who are lighting the fire, but because of the algorithms everyone gets burned." Clinton said Putin tried to undermine her before the 2016 election by spreading disinformation on Facebook, Twitter and Snapchat about "all these terrible things" she purportedly did. "I don't think any of us understood it," she said. "I did not understand it. I can tell you my campaign did not understand it. The so-called dark web was filled with these kinds of memes and stories and videos of all sorts portraying me in all kinds of less than flattering ways." Clinton added: "What they did to me was primitive and what we're talking about now is the leap in technology."
She didn't understand then ... (Score:4, Insightful)
She lost because she was the one candidate who the country detested more than Donald Trump.
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The real question is why a Goldwater Girl from 1964 whose core views changed very little over all that time ended up as the Democratic nominee in 2016. The 'how' is discernible by looking at her various steps along the way, but the 'why' is the interesting question.
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That's a narrative without much substance. You only think that because you think that a traditional set of Marxist beliefs is somehow near or in the current Overton window. It isn't. That's why you never hear about the tree of ideas that come from Marx, because then people would reject those ideas out of hand. And while it isn't good to do that, it probably was for the best that they did. That's why you think of fascism as a right wing ideology. Fascism is literally raising the idea of the nation as the highest ideal. And that means that the liberty loving types you probably like to mock have little to nothing to do with Fascism yet what is the single most common political slur used against those types of people?
You are confusing quite a few things when you call Obama center right. You have to remember, Obama basically couldn't pass any legislation through Congress. Almost every decision you associate him with is an executive order. And his executive orders range from center right position to far left positions. There were a lot of them and they were all over the spectrum. Many of his policies aged like milk and I voted for him 2x. So perhaps that was for the best.
Finally, you are confusing the soup that is political discussion online with actual politics. 90% of posts are from 1% of the population. And in general those people neither represent the voters nor have any real sway in the long run. And again, this is probably for they best. They are the folks with too much time on their hands and usually let their emotions cloud their judgement. That's why they enjoy shit-posting on political topics, they just have that right set of personality traits. But they are still just 1% of the population and they really don't have much influence except among political scientists who don't understand sampling bias.
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What's bad about fascism?
How bad it is for you depends entirely upon your position in the resulting social hierarchy, and how insulated you'll be from the lower folks who'll be none too pleased about living under such a regime. Also, being that this is America with the 2A and all, things could get messy. [reddit.com]
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Both Spain and Italy have had fascist governments in the past and did not have the racial rhetoric of Nazi Germany. Some fascist are indeed racists, but not all fascist are.
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Are you calling Obama a fascist? Those cages went into effect during his term.
Facts suck.
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Don't know what your smoking but you better start sharing.
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Joseph McCarthy might be dead, but we're stuck mainstreaming his idiot ideology.
McCarthy may have been an antisemitic and homophobic douchebag, but the GOP could still use someone like that to weed out all the members still longing to kiss KGB ass.
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The funny thing about McCarthy is he was right. His methods were pretty shitty and he was an alcoholic and the rest but there really were commies everywhere.
My dad was one of them. He got called up before one of Joe's committees for the standard "are you now or have you ever been?" line of questioning and only escaped because he had a few friends in high places. But he was absolutely 100% hard core red at the time.
Later on he softened his positions and turned into the typical ultra far left democrat but
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Maybe your party would get more votes if you stopped worrying about who has a peepee and who doesn't. How about working on healthcare, inflation, corporate greed, job creation, anything...
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When people who aren't LGBTQ+ themselves start giving their opinions about LGBTQ+ issues, you know it's because the biggest thing going on in their lives is that they forgot to charge their golf cart.
If they actually had to deal with being able to make rent this month, were unable to afford their medicines, or had to drive over busted up roads that are making parts fall off of their car, that's what they'd be complaining about instead.
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We're constantly exposed to propaganda. Drink this beer, buy this truck, ask your doctor if you have a medical condition necessitating the use of our prescription drug. It's called advertising, it exists for the purpose of convincing people to part with their hard-earned money. Most people have learned to ignore it, and nobody claims you're being forced to do what the advertisements tell you.
Next time you see LGBTQ+ pandering in a TV show, just imagine instead that it's product placement for something th
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Next time someone complai
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Yes we are constantly exposed to propaganda and having an opinion on the propaganda forced on you isn't a sign that you have nothing going on in your life it's a sign you notice things in your life and have an opinion
That's assuming people aren't prioritizing their opinions. If McDonalds forgets your pickles, that's probably not worth ranting about at every given opportunity when the subject of fast food comes up. If you spend $350 on an EV charger on Amazon and it blows up right after the return period is up, that might be something you'll keep in the back of your mind and mention to anyone else considering to buy the same product, but you're probably still not going to regularly bring it up. However, when you're st
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I have a girl in HS that the school was telling she was a boy, behind my back.
I'm not an alphabet soup person. Do I get a say? Does my opinion count? Or should I just accept what the school was trying to do to her and step back because my opinion as her parent is worthless because I'm not alphabet soup?
Your logic is ... flawed.
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I have a girl in HS that the school was telling she was a boy, behind my back.
Judging by the other stuff I've seen you write, I'd be wrong to not be suspicious of the possibility that your kid actually is trans and is afraid of you being unaccepting of that. You don't really come across as being all that open-minded on the issue.
Funny thing is, if you've got a kid who is questioning (that's the Q in LGBTQ+), even if that's an idea popped into their head by someone wrongfully, you've entered the chat on the topic of LGBTQ+ issues and aren't simply butting in because you won't be goin
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That does being poor have to do with the plight of the LGBTQ+ community? That's probably the 3rd dumbest argument I've heard this week,. Poor has nothing to do with gender stop trying to push your personal gender politics into subjects that are not about race or sex. Poor is equally hard for everyone.
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If I was a parent, I'd raise my kid with the understanding that they can be whatever they feel most comfortable with, but that society at large still isn't entirely accepting of anything that falls outside of traditional roles. Perhaps you do see that as wrong or confusing, but I see it as the unconditional love you're supposed to provide as a parent. It made my life a hell of a lot easier that my parents didn't flip their shit when I came out to them as gay.
Of course, I don't presume to tell anyone how t
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Thankfully you don't have kids. You don't understand a parent's role. It is to provide guidance and protection until the child has figured out enough of life to be an adult and make their own decisions. Children can not make these decisions for themselves.
Yes, yes, you knew at age 14 or whatever it was you've previously said you knew you were gay. I'm glad that worked out for you. But standing back and providing no guidance or protection while the school is trying to trans my kid would make me a terrib
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If the government wasn't involved as it is now, we wouldn't have the cost. - after watching what happened to insulin prices under Pharma Bro, you actually believe this?
If I had one wish as a czar of the US, for one day, it would be a simple constitutional amendment: All taxes, property, income, gasoline, whatever... ALL TAXES should be consumption (sales) taxes. - Sales taxes are the most regressive form of taxation [slashdot.org]. But that fits perfectly with the republican "fuck the poor, worship the rich" mantra.
Thats it. Let them be as greedy as they want, someone else will do it for less. - We tried that already in the days of Standard Oil and abusive monopolies placing up barriers to entry once they corner a market. It didn't work for shit.
Everything in your bullshit screed contradicted by the facts is a reminder that republicans/conservatives are just lying trolls devoid of consciences.
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A corporation cannot erect barriers to entry without the government to enforce. So if an abusive monopoly is putting up barriers, it's because they bribed the government and got them to pass regulations, thereby preventing new startups from entering the market.
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Healthcare without regulation can be a nightmare. We had this in the past in the US, patent medicine scams and quackery ran amuck. Lots of people died before these problems were taking seriously by state and national governments. Maybe sometimes we go too far in the regulation direction but we absolutely do not need to ditch it.
The problem with prices is with health insurance companies and some members of the health care industries. They want profits above all.
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Yes your party should stop trying to remove children's genitals if they don't want to see Trump elected again.
Not removing kids' genitals is a fairly reasonable position. If that's truly what the right-wingers wanted, I'd be there agreeing with them. But no, the real positions are:
Don't provide age-appropriate educational resources to LGBTQ+ adolescents.
Make hormone and other related treatments for trans adults harder/impossible to obtain.
Allow businesses to legally discriminate against LGBTQ+ Americans.
Get the SCOTUS to overturn Obergefell.
This is the party that told some of their own (albeit hypocritical) suppo [vice.com]
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You know what the biggest thing is conservatives have done, ever, about trans?
They stopped allowing gay pornography in Florida school libraries and complained to no effect about men in women's sports and bathrooms.
Oh and they crushed Bud's stock value with a boycott for using some freak to sell beer.
Yay, so scary.
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You know what the biggest thing is conservatives have done, ever, about trans?
My bad for not citing a source. [apnews.com] I'm aware of this because one of my friend's siblings is trans and ended up impacted by it.
They stopped allowing gay pornography in Florida school libraries
You mean this book? [amazon.com] That's not gay pornography, the stuff that's on the gay tab of PornHub - that actually is gay pornography.
and complained to no effect about men in women's sports and bathrooms.
I think there actually were some attempts at laws being passed, so it was more than just "complaining". I don't really follow the issue as closely as I probably should, because I'm a cisgender male and just use the men's room. While I'm sure there are some ri
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It's bizarre how 5 year olds instinctively know the difference between boys and girls but somewhere along the way a number of people forgot what they knew as young children and convince themselves "woman" is some made up social construct, despite being exactly the same in every human culture through all of human history and right back to the first Homo sapiens climbing down out of the trees.
But suddenly, some people can't figure out what a woman is.
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Because today's MAGA party would call Ronald Reagan a woke liberal if they took a look at his policies.
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To be fair, Reagan's line was "I didn't leave the Democratic party, they left me". In a sense, he sounded way more like Harry Truman than Carter did. Carter just couldn't help but sounding like a dweeb, a policy wonk. Running someone like Mondale [reaganlibrary.gov] against Reagan in 1980 would have worked better. By 1984 the whole cult of personality thing was working for Reagan. FDR himself would have lost.
The John Birch nativism that pervades the MAGA thing was antithetical to Reagan.
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He left before LBJ was President, in 1962, and before the 1964 Civil Rights Act. While Reagan was ...capable of racist remarks, that wasn't the reason why. The 1962 Democratic party he left was the very racist party of segregation that had every single Senate and House seat in the South.
The actual reason why he left was that he thought JFK sounded like a Marxist, and that was the new face of the Democratic party that he couldn't stomach. Which is laughable in itself, but not what you are saying at all.
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She's not the only one who doesn't get it, and this is how we get more Trump.
Disclaimer: I voted Green in 2016 and 2020.
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Trump is running with the same flaws that Clinton had: he's not attracting undecided voters instead campaigning to the true believers, has a divisive attitude, and refuses to believe he's not as popular as he thinks he is. Of course, Trump has a whole set of additional flaws.
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But as usual "it's the economy, stupid", and 2024 is not going to be good for voters who are deciding whether to vote for a "a well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" and his singularly inept running mate.
I'm almost certainly voting Green for the third election in a row.
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As opposed to ill-meaning elderly man with a poor memory, slurring of words, mumbling at rallies, lying under oath, already-convicted-of-two-crimes-so-far senile guy?
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Also, please direct our attention to Trump's criminal convictions. Links, please. Don't try to weasel out when your lack of understanding of the difference between civil actions and criminal prosecutions is revealed.
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He was convicted of fraud, though it was a civil case it's normally a criminal conviction. And he's been judge to be guilty of sexual assault in E Jean Carrol case, which was a lawsuit not criminal trial, but the judgement is for what is normally a crime. It was not treated as a crime because of the statue of limitations - the Adult Survivors Act allows for lawsuits beyond the statute of limitations. But that still has two courts with a finding that a criminal act was committed, even if it was not a crimi
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"Don't try to weasel out when your lack of understanding of the difference between civil actions and criminal prosecutions is revealed."
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I didn't think Trump had a chance... (Score:2)
So I didn't worry about voting. Can't say if it would have mattered, but I doubt I'm the only one.
That's what the Trump campaign did for me. It cemented the fact there are a LOT of truly crazy, powerful people in the world, and that the world is not logical like I assumed. That humans perceive what they believe. It can be impossible to alter a deeply held belief.
Oh, and it's testing the "if the president does it, it becomes legal" idea from Karl Rove (Right? Wasn't he the one who thought that one up? [
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I always associated the rise of the "unitary executive" theory with Darth Cheney, but now you make me want to go read some history.
I've been preaching UBI for a long time, and yeah--something has to give if the machines come for all our jerbs.
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Well, you got so lucky that instead of her you elected a stupid, greedy and traitorous ape.
Let's hope you don't make the mistake of re-electing that stooge of the Deep State, Biden, in November, you richly deserve another 30 years of the donald.
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She was detested by the Republicans. There was deep hatred for her, starting from the day when she told an interview that she didn't like to bake cookies. For some reason, that one thing really got under the social conservative's skins. Now days openly being a professional woman isn't a big deal but it flew in the face of those who wanted the trad wife stereotype in a first lady.
Now, deep hatred from the Republicans isn't an unsurmountable obstacle of course. Hillary had her own self created problems.
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Also, "the basket of deplorables" statement was an utterly boneheaded fuckup.
The right-wing media took it completely out of context, which ironically is something the conservatives are now taking issues over with how the left-wing media did exactly the same thing to Trump's "bloodbath" remark. Here it is, in context:
I know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think well he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?
The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
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So she -only- called 25% of voters deplorable and you think that's ok and out of context?
Okey dokey....
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She said half of Trump's supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic. Judging what I've personally experienced as a gay man, I'd say her estimate was on the low side. Most of the rebuttals to that are typically along the lines of "I'm not *ist or *phobic, I just vote for representatives who want to enact those sort of policies!" Well guess what, you're gonna be judged by the company you keep, or in this case, who you elect to represent you.
It's also worth remembering that Trump wo
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You keep talking about that popular vote thing like it matters given the way our voting is structured. If you are in a deep blue or red state and don't vote the way the state does, your vote doesn't really matter. This is a great way to disenfranchise someone from even voting. Now, if you got rid of the winner take all, first past the post voting style so many of our states have adopted (to retain power), you very may well see people vote differently.
As someone that lives in California but isn't really a fa
AI robo calls can fake voices and endorse trump! (Score:3)
AI robo calls can fake voices and endorse trump!
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This dumbass called 1/4 of voters 'deplorable'... (Score:2, Insightful)
... when in reality it was more like 1/3.
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This dumbass called 1/4 of voters 'deplorable' when in reality it was more like 1/3.
Sure and America lost its collective shit over that comment at the time. Yet today, ten years later, after these people stormed the US capitol with the intention of invalidating a presidential election, extrajudicially executing vice president of the United States Mike Pence and speaker Nanci Pelosi, after they murdered a police officer, beat up a bunch of police officers with poles carrying American flags, trashed the building and smeared their own excrement all over the inside of it, Hillary Clinton calling these people merely 'deplorable' seems like a pretty polite description.
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Sigh, y'all love talking about your hyped up insurrection don't you? If those knuckleheads REALLY intended on actually doing something, why didn't any of them bother to bring guns? I mean it, seriously. Had they all brought guns they would of likely taken the building. Instead, it looked like a bunch of idiots wandering the halls causing some mischief.
It's not like it would of been that difficult concealing handguns and really doing something.
Since you seem to be too dull to divine it from my previous comment let me explain this to you again. I have a very low opinion of the intelligence of the January 6, 2021 rioters and I don't seriously think these people had a realistic chance to succeed at the things they chanted about doing when they entered the capitol. All I am saying is that Hillary Clinton was pretty on the money when she called these people 'a basket of deplorables'. Come to think of it, just the shit smearing part all by itself quali
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So all those people who are on film being welcomed in by the cops, taking a self guided tour, a few selfies along the way who then left peacefully and have been in prison for years without trial or convicted of serious crimes for their selfie tour actually were part of some grand conspiracy to take over the US government with their iPhone cameras.
Okey dokey.
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Hilary would never and could never be old Joes replacment. She is hated as much by democrats.
Look at it this way she is hated so much she lost to a loser like Trump. Just wish she would shut up
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"Just wish she would shut up"
Then you'd better Pokemon go to the polls :D
Bill Clinton was slicker than snot. Hillary is dumber than snot, at least when it comes to crowd work. Politics don't matter as much as image matters, and Hillary is like the boss Karen.
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True, the only reason for voting against Hillary is hating women.
Can you please define what a woman is?
Asking for a friend.
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Look, I voted for her.
Her campaign was full of meaningless "it's her time" messaging. The DNC literally conspired to help her win the primary, with Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigning after evidence was leaked and then immediately joining Hillary's campaign. As a progressive, I really disliked Hillary.
When she finally faced off against Trump, half the time she just didn't seem to know how to react, and the rest of the time she'd just smile and act "above it all" rather than tackle him head-on. What have we learned since that election about how conservatives react to being looked down on?
Yes, there's been a ridiculous amount of shit flung at her. Biden's been getting the same treatment. But it's not why she lost. That she still comes up for air every now and then just to repeat this dilusion is insane. She was a bad candidate.
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half the time she just didn't seem to know how to react
In her defence, most of the world didn't know how to react to Trump. We all collectively thought that his insane ramblings would mean he had zero chance of actually winning so acting above it all and flustered seemed to be a not so bad strategy.
Unfortunately the world is stranger than fiction and slightly less than half of voters (just remember that you wonderful democracy, the less popular guy ran the country) propelled the weirdo into power.
That she still comes up for air every now and then just to repeat this dilusion is insane.
Whether she was a bad candidate or not doesn't have any bearing o
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She's not wrong about propaganda being more technically advanced and dangerous than ever. I wasn't commenting on that.
I do think she should just stay away from politics near election times. There is always going to be someone more appropriate to say this, who won't add an agenda trying to blame her embarrasing loss on it.
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We all collectively thought that his insane ramblings would mean he had zero chance of actually winning.
Y'all clearly haven't spent much time in Texas.
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It might be true, but what use is harping about it? Some things are better left unsaid in the public sphere, leave it to academia.
In politics I view discourse about disinformation as a run up to censorship.
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"I don't know how he got elected! No one I know voted for him!"
Classic!
You live in a bubble.
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"It's her turn!" Fuck that. It was an offensive slogan, brimming with sexism and entitlement. It pushed away voters.
(I would have loved to see Bill Clinton back in the Whitehouse as First Husband.. no power, just schmoozing and glad-handing with the international elites -having fun and making back-room deals were his strengths.)
Her time is past. The only positive is that she sends Trump into a frothing hate-filled rant when she speaks out -and that is entertaining, from a distance.
Retire. Stay out of it
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I didn't vote for either of them, but back when she was running, on the topics that I was concerned about, both Hillary and trump were very similar in their views. For me, I saw a vote for either one of them being mostly equal.
the one thing I recall being the primary difference I saw: trump talks a lot and tends to try to do what he says he's going to do. Hillary, seemed to say what she thought you wanted to hear, then would go and do whatever she felt like doing, even if it was the opposite of what she had
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I'm not sure it's much worse than MAGA, which implies that at some point America stopped being great and needs to be restored to its former glory.
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What's wrong with that?
Our economy is teetering, the military is a wreck, foreign policy is childish, we get humiliated on the world stage regularly, we don't have a border, several large states no longer believe in crime, how much worse would it have to be before you want to make it great again? What's so great about all that?
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All that entitlement and establishment group-think
And who do you think the Republican Party represents, puppies and kittens?
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Normal people who just want to live their lives, raise their kids and be left alone.
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Is AOC and her Squad to your right?
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Clinton campaign literally gave us Trump (Score:2)
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Yeah, she's like "Oh no, the dark web and algorithms, lets all burn the CLRS books and save the world." LoL
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Spraying more shit, furthering the Republican campaign. Since you're probably not an AI, your post proves my point.
It always boils down to an attempt to make them sound equivalent. "Biden's just as bad, might as well vote for Trump". You don't have an alternate for Biden, it's Biden vs Trump. Anything else is talk for the next election cycle or an attempt to bring the perception of Biden down to Trump-level.
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It isn't shit talking if it's true. Have you actually watched Biden on stage in public? Did you see him stumble through his SOTU speech? It was bizarre... even if you discount the part about 1/3rd in when he clearly lost track of where he was on the teleprompter and mumbled some random shit for a solid 10 seconds.
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Oh and to add, Trump is right about a two tier justice system. Vote by mistake once while black and you'll get a 5 year prison term compared to a $5000 fine as an old white republican man. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0... [nytimes.com]
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Aren't you idiots the one arguing that a sizable portion of the population should have taxation without representation?
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The guy I was responding to was talking about felony convicts whom I assume still have to pay taxes when they get out of jail, yet are not allowed to vote.
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Now apply your argument to the second amendment.
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You have no idea what a "fascist" is. Yes, they are evil, but "snowflakes" they are not. Stone-cold killers tend not to be.
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True, there was only a coup ATTEMPT.
The goal of the attackers was to change the outcome of the election, which is what made it that. This is not complicated, no matter how much you want it to be. It's cut and dried.
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Unarmed people being walked into the building by cops, taking selfies, leaving peacefully after a few minutes getting years in prison for the lamest coup ever imagined in human history.
Yawn, so boring when you guys repeat the big lie despite thousands of hours of video showing the lie.
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Sedition and coup? What Hollywood movie is that? Got an IMDB link? Was Harrison Ford in it?