Twitter Refuses To Delete Trump's Baseless Claims About Joe Scarborough (cnbc.com) 335
Twitter's policy carve-out for world leaders is facing another test with President Donald Trump's latest tweets resurrecting baseless claims that MSNBC host Joe Scarborough should be investigated for the death of his former staffer. From a report: Earlier this month, Trump tweeted questions about when an investigation would be opened into the "Cold Case" of "Psycho Joe Scarborough." The unfounded accusation refers to the death in 2001 of Lori Klausutis, who was working for Scarborough when he was a Republican congressman for Florida. At the time, the medical examiner concluded Klausutis, 28, had fainted due to an undiagnosed heart condition and hit her head on the way down, finding no evidence of foul play. Scarborough was in Washington, D.C., when Klausutis died in his district office in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Trump's tweets revived a baseless theory that Scarborough was allegedly involved in Klausutis' death. On Thursday, her widower, Timothy Klausutis, wrote to Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey requesting the company delete Trump's tweets referencing those claims. "I'm asking you to intervene in this instance because the President of the United States has taken something that does not belong to him -- the memory of my dead wife -- and perverted it for perceived political gain," Klausutis wrote in the letter, which was dated May 21 and published by The New York Times on Tuesday. A spokesperson for Twitter indicated that they would be updating their policies, but Trump's tweets were not removed. "We are deeply sorry about the pain these statements, and the attention they are drawing, are causing the family," the spokesperson said. "We've been working to expand existing product features and policies so we can more effectively address things like this going forward, and we hope to have those changes in place shortly."
Information wants to be dumb. (Score:5, Interesting)
If they did, Trump would just be provided an app that would go to a web page, and then 1,000+ Twitter users and 1+million bots would post it all to Twitter.
Information wanting to be 'free' doesn't have to mean good information, or rational information.
The moment he isn't president though, he'll basically be Sarah Palin - defended in spirit, but shoved to his own memory hole in indirect shame. Such is the way of modern Republicans. Pride in greed is fleeting.
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Actually some comments do get deleted here. Often when it is really bad. Also to note the people posting on Slashdot are not speaking in a position of power.
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Slashdot does delete comments and does censor certain words.
Slashdot is a business, subject to US law. Even 8chan deleted stuff and still couldn't survive. Any site claiming never to remove anything user submitted is lying.
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He's asking for an investigation
Because Trump's lying. Mostly by blindly following the conspiracy theorists who've been pushing this since 2001.
The conspiracy theory is that the aide was meeting Scarborough over them having an affair-produced pregnancy, and Scarborough killed her. Then he "suddenly resigned" from Congress to help the cover-up.
Problem is she died in FL while he was in DC. How's she setting up an in-person meeting when he's in a different city?
Another problem is he suddenly resigned in May, and she died in July. So appa
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Shame is something long lost in politics.
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If my wife's corpse gets found in my office with her skull violently shattered, then I think it'd be a reasonable conclusion for people to believe I killed my wife. Similarly I think OJ totally did it, despite what the trial came out as.
Would you still think OJ did it if he was hundreds of miles away in a different state at the time the victims died? Because Scarborough was.
Why should they? (Score:2)
If Twitter deleted baseless claims what would be left?
If it's baseless why wouldn't you rather it stay up and laugh at him over it?
I have no idea as political infighting utterly bores me.
When did they refuse? (Score:2)
They didn't refuse to delete the tweets, they just failed to commit to doing anything other than make vague policy changes. That's not the same as a refusal.
"baseless" except for the dead body in Joe's room (Score:3, Insightful)
The basis would be the dead body found in Joe's office. That's the basis.
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There actually were a lot of suspicious circumstances surrounding the death, but because Bush was still the Hero of the Day for invading a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 pretty much all Republicans were considered above reproach.
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Only when you don't look too closely. For example, the conspiracy theory is that she was going to confront Scarborough over an affair-caused pregnancy.
Problem is she was in FL and he was in DC. Little hard to set up an in-person meeting when he's not there.
Another thing from the conspiracy theory is Scarborough suddenly resigned to help cover it up. Except he suddenly resigned two months before she died.
But it certainly sounds suspicious when you leave those details out.
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Gossip columnists in DC had been atwitter for months before he announced his resignation that Scarborough's wife was threatening divorce because of his infidelity. He didn't actually step down until that fall, I believe he waited until his replacement had been selected. She was actually found by a couple (German, I think) with immigration problems who walked into the unlocked office because they had an early morning meeting with him, which would have been difficult to accomplish from DC since video confer
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He didn't actually step down until that fall
Which isn't relevant. The accusation is he resigned because of the murder. When he actually left office doesn't matter. Only when he resigned.
which would have been difficult to accomplish from DC since video conferencing was not really a common thing yet.
Because he was going to be in FL that day. He had not yet left DC when the supposed meeting happened.https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16452556&cid=60107040#
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The dead body in Joe's office in Florida. While Joe himself was in DC.
I didn't realize Scarborough's arms were that long.
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The claim is not that he hired a hitman. The claim is he killed her with his own hands.
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Regardless of whether or not there is a claim to be made here, please remember the following:
You're defending the President of the United States slandering a news host he doesn't like about something that happened 30+ years ago instead of dealing with a pandemic that has killed more Americans than most wars we've ever been in within only 3-4 months, while the economy crashes worse than in the 1930s.
If I don't think about what Scarborough might have done 30 years ago while on the shitter in the morning, then
The words hurt me. Censor it! (Score:2)
Seems to me like Twitter has done the right thing here, and unfortunately might be pivoting to do the wrong thing moving forward?
Personal tweets should be attributed to whoever typed them, period. Twitter is just a service provider, enabling the ability for people to express themselves freely in writing. If a statement made is truly illegal, then it should be pointed out to investigators to use it as evidence. But otherwise? Who cares? Anyone can tweet a response of their own to counter false accusation
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And in either case, for politicians, it's good to let their stuff be out there for everyone to see, rather than be accused of political bias. That a number of people want to shut Trump up suggests this is the wrong motivation.
At what point do they block a post? (Score:2)
At what point is a post removed? I am just wondering that if the same post was made by the following, which would have their post removed:
- General public
- Celebrity
- Civil servant
- Senator
- President of the USA
- Leader of any other nation
Actually it could be an interesting experiment to tweet exactly the same things being said by Mr Trump and see for which reasons the post is removed? So I would imagine a bot that cop
Church lady (Score:2)
The Church Lady doesn't approve [nytimes.com] of that tweet.
Don't delete either (Score:2)
Then Twitter won't have a problem not removing messages about the con artist having a child out of wedlock with one of his staff at his failed tower in New York.
Calling these claims "baseless" is on Slashdot (Score:4, Informative)
Trump consistently violates Twitter's TOS... (Score:2)
...and they well know it - but still will stop at nothing to keep the guy around to drive traffic. So came that new bullshit rule just for "world leaders", just so they can pretend this decision is legitimate.
Trump should've had his Twitter account nuked a looong time ago. Question is: why wasn't Don Jr's?
Re:Funny thing about Trump's lies... (Score:4, Informative)
..they almost always seem to end up being true.
16,000 lies during his first 3 years in office [washingtonpost.com]
And that's not including all the lies before taking office.
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16000 divided by 1095 days = ~14.6 lies per day.
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What number is "burgers piled a mile high"?
It's great that the Washington Post is such a credible, fair and objective news outlet that we can rely on.
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So please do tell, which of these (now more than 18,000 false or misleading claims) are incorrect, and why?
The problem with splitting hairs to the point where there are 18k "lies" according to Wapo is that it takes all of 30 seconds to think back to one of the bullshit narratives that Wapo was pushing, and put in a keyword. For this exercise, I'll pick "animal".
Trump: “Fake News Media had me calling Immigrants, or Illegal Immigrants, “Animals.” Wrong! They were begrudgingly forced to withdraw their stories. I referred to MS 13 Gang Members as “Animals,” a big difference - and so true. Fake News got it purposely wrong, as usual!”
Wapo: Trump's critique is misleading. The full quote is: “We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we're stopping a lot of them — but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals." He was responding to a sheriff talking about MS-13 and ICE but he did not reference MS-13 in his response — only "people coming into the country" or immigrants.
In this example Wapo is accusing the president of lying, due to the context of his statement being edited out for maximum sensationalist effect.
This is the standard for this "fact checking". I don't doubt there's plenty where Trump is actually lying, but
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The problem is that many people think like you do. All has to be pure or its 100% incorrect. It is the same reason people are discounting the 100k deaths in this country because a few examples of miss-attribution now negates the entire mountain of evidence. That a single random warehouse address because someone typo'd their address on voter registration means all mail-in voting is invalid. Systems don't have to be perfect. You do the best you can such as allowing me in Arizona to verify that my ballot was s
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Extra clarification from WaPo fact checker database:
http://wapo.st/trumpclaimsdb?c... [wapo.st]
Trump's critique is misleading. The full quote is: “We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we're stopping a lot of them — but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are. These aren't people. These are animals." He was responding to a sheriff talking about MS-13 and ICE but he did not reference MS-13 in his response — only "people coming into the country" or immigrants.
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When all indications of fairness and objectivity are removed, all you have left is a steaming pile of propaganda. Wapo is highly biased towards Dems.
Now, who fact checks the "fact checkers"?
Re:Funny thing about Trump's lies... (Score:4, Interesting)
they almost always seem to end up being true.
Not so much. But then Trump is pretty good about making political talk (weaseling around an issue). With the Obama birther issue, he didn't come right out and make a statement. He was 'skeptical'. That many of his loyal followers came to believe that this meant he believed Obama was Kenyan (or some other B.S.) just goes to show how they lack critical thinking skills and are easily suggestible. Trump was in fact truthful. He was in fact skeptical (prove otherwise). His doubts proved to be unfounded. But that's not the same thing.
Both sides do this. And if the electorate isn't smart enough to see this sort of talk for what it is, they have no business coloring in the little bubbles on a ballot.
Re:Funny thing about Trump's lies... (Score:5, Informative)
With the Obama birther issue, he didn't come right out and make a statement. He was 'skeptical'.
Don't forget, he also said that he had sent some one (or ones) to Hawii to "investigate", and he promised that they were finding "incredible things".
Afterwards, he never followed up. Not one peep that I'm aware of. Conclusion: He was flat-out lying: they did not find "incredible things", and in all likelihood, there were no "investigators". Does that count as one lie, or two?
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Trump didn't make the claim Obama was from Kenya.
Obama made the claim he was from Kenya. It was in the the "About the Author" section of one of his books.
Ah. But there is always a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I assumes that he was born in the United States - meaning in Hawaii - I assumed that. The more I go into it the more suspect it is".
So are you lying or dud you just forget?
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Obama made the claim he was from Kenya.
That depends on his use of the word 'from'. I'm from England. My ancestors arrived several hundred years ago.
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue..." (Score:3, Insightful)
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and I still wouldn't lose any voters"
This is the truest thing Trump has ever said in his entire life. And every single fucking day there are posters here who prove him right again, and again, and again.
But the worst is that his rabbid supporters seem to actually be proud of being his irrational, mindless, fanatic, tribal minions.
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I would vote for Joe Biden if he boiled babies and ate them.
Go read it yourself because I wouldn't blame you if you didn't believe me or that someone would actually write those w
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That is demonstrably not true, not for Democrats or Republicans, not for self-described conservatives or self-described liberals.
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Trump in office is essentially just a liberal politician. Maybe that is what he always was and his ta
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BASHIR: Out of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?
GARAK: My dear Doctor, they're all true.
BASHIR: Even the lies?
GARAK: Especially the lies.
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It was scenes like that that redeemed the show. Ah, the good old days.
Re:Why should Twitter censor an opinion? (Score:4, Insightful)
Another Trump apologist up to bat. What is it this time? He's was joking? He was only repeating what "many people are saying"? Give it a rest, the man is lying grifter piece of shit.
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I'm still waiting for them to try rolling Hillary out at the convention. It wouldn't change the results but it probably couldn't hurt their chances. Biden is so incompetent and senile it's amazing. Hillary is a lot of things, but she's not incompetent. That's actually what makes her so scary. She's intelligent, vicious, ambitious and arrogant. Given the chance, she really could push the agenda.
But Biden. Please. He better pick a good VC. It's literally dems only chance.
P.S. This post should not be misconstr
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I don't think the DNC actually wants control of the White House at this point, eight years of Obama showed them that voters actually expect a Democratic president to do something for them rather than just for the corporations. It's not an accident that the DNC has selected the only choice I can think of who would have been worse than Clinton.
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The voting machines decided on a senile racist. Everywhere else in the world 5% deviation from exit polls is considered evidence of cheating, 10% is confirmation. Only in the US does a 20% gap not even make local news. The problems with the voting machines have been known since the 1990s, and **NEITHER SIDE** has addressed them for a reason.
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Isn't the senile racist already in office? (see, anyone can play that game)
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Because it is obvious slander against a minor political enemy of the short-fingered vulgarian
whose followers are being purposefully obtuse?
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As President of the United States of America. Trumps Speech has excessive power behind it.
Normal Humans in such a position would know there is a degree of responsibility as president where they will not blurt out every passing thing that goes across their head.
The President of the United States has so much power that his freedoms are supposed to be limited. Because his job is to Protect our freedoms, not usurp our in favor for his.
Trump had made Scarborough live much much dangerous. As there are number of people who will follow every word he barfs out. So there will be people who will Connect that if he is investigated than he is guilty, and will take the law into their own hand.
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This is typical Trumpism. Trump was "a little bit skeptical" that Obama was born in the US. However simultaneously Trump was absolutely the biggest and loudest proponent of the birther movement, even if he never came out and said he 100% believed Obama was not born in the US. Maybe Trump was just pandering to the birthers for political gain, certainly that seems likely. But the vast majority of most conspiracy theories is based upon "I just want an unbiased investigation!" Even flat earthers don't go f
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Don't forget that the coroner somehow diagnosed a heart condition (in a competitive runner) that can't be detected in an autopsy, and there was no blood, skin or hair on the desk that she supposedly hit on her way down. IIRC he'd previously either lost his license or been censured in another state for falsifying evidence for prosecutors. She was found by a couple with an immigration issue who walked into the unlocked office for a scheduled early morning meeting with the congresscritter, but his alibi was
Re:Free speech (Score:5, Informative)
I was intrigued by the whole thing ...
The claims are fantastical: It is not only that a Congressman killed a staffer, but that her murder was part of the 9/11 plot, somehow ... claims like: "What might a young woman have heard in a Republican office 2 months before 9/11? What if she learned something she wasn't supposed to?"
Yeah right.
So did some digging ..
Lori Klausutis told at least two people that she was not feeling well the day before she died.
Joe Scarborough resigned from Congress two months before her death, and she was looking for another job because he would no longer be in Congress.
See this fact check [politifact.com]
And per this other fact check [apnews.com] Joe was in Washington at the time of his staffer's death.
And more coverage here [washingtonpost.com].
There is no mention that those who discovered her body had an appointment.
There is no mention on the whereabouts of Joe at the time of death either.
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Typo, I meant to say that you weren't allowed. At that time a Republican could do no wrong in the view of the major media conglomerates since Shrub had promised to remove the rules that kept them from taking over every media outlet in the country.
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Yes, being in DC would certainly have made it difficult for him to kill her, but equally difficult for him to arrive at his appointment in the morning in Florida. He had announced his retirement, but didn't actually step down until considerably later (which is why he still had his office in Fort Walton Beach and an appointment there). I believe he waited until his replacement had been elected that fall before actually leaving office. DC gossip columns claimed the reason he was stepping down was because h
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Young healthy girl dies in the office under the damn desk of this guy who was supposed to be there in a meeting the next morning
Unfortunately, people do die. Sometimes unexpectedly.
And sometimes, those people are tangentially connected to someone who Trump doesn't like.
That doesn't mean that someone is suspected of murder.
and you can't have the President of the USA say that is suspicious? Like really? If the President can't say that is suspicious then what hope is there for any of us? This is China or has to be behind this shit. They are pushing the censorship button everywhere.
Consider for a moment that someone you loved had died unexpectedly.
But it turns out your loved one was involved in politics, so a few detestable humans start making conspiracy theories about it, which sucks.
But then an extremely powerful and famous politician (whom your deceased loved one would have absolutely hate
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Crap like that alone should be enough for people to demand Trump's resignation.
And some hard nosed person of a different political persuasion will say the demand for his resignation should be censored from Twitter, "because reasons."
Some of us, on the other hand, recognize that this is an opinion and as such doesn't need to be censored.
You are not doing a lot to change the image of your political wing - "Hey, somebody's feelings are hurt - let's censor everybody."
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Since when does free speech have to be "factual" statements vetted and confirmed by third parties?
Since the beginning of time. If you think "Freedom of Speech" means you can say whatever you want, then you have a severe misunderstanding of it. Because if it means you can say whatever you can, then you can call anyone a racist, you can claim the US President is a murderer, you can blame anyone you hate for everthing wrong happening to you. And by the same token, everyone else can do the same thing to you.
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Most of the presidents of my lifetime were murderers, although they did contract that work out to the Pentagram and CIA.
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No it would be under 25% of the nation is racist. As Hillary stated half of Trumps supports are deplorable.
However if you turn a blind eye to all the Racist Comments, and Actions by Trump you may not be racist but it does say something about your priorities.
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It's racism only if you severely redefine racism. I haven't seen many actually racist comments in any major outlet or by any major politician for decades now.
Biden's "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" is explicitly racist as it classifies an entire race as the dumb people that have to vote Democrat because they need handouts but if any Republican made a comment like that, they'd be summarily ejected from public life as the media would call for a public lynching.
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I haven't seen many actually racist comments in any major outlet or by any major politician for decades now.
I recommend a visit to an ophthalmologist.
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I haven't seen many actually racist comments in any major outlet or by any major politician for decades now.
You must have missed Rep. Steve King in 2019 lamenting how "white supremacy" and "white nationalism" had turned into negative terms.
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And how did that work out for SENATOR Steve King.
Luckily, he was in the Republican controlled half of Congress, where he got removed from every committee, and the party is supporting a different candidate in his district.
Meanwhile, the Democrats in the House are still standing behind Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib whose antisemitism goes unchecked.
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Free speech is utterly irrelevant here. Twitter is not part of the government.
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I'd vote for drawing and quartering on pay-per-view, we could wipe out a goodly portion of the national debt right there.
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How much do you think we could get for Pelosi and McConnel? This could rapidly solve all our real problems.
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If Members of Congress can stand in the Well of the House or Senate and blatantly lie about Romeny's taxes
The most important right of all is the right of our elected representatives while giving speeches in congress/parliament to lie. Think about it. Who gets to decide what's a lie? That man is the actual ruler, as he control what laws can or cannot be proposed. Only the voters get to decide whether to get rid of a "liar", if we wish to retain democracy.
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Harry Reid can go die in a fire. Why can't Trump as well? Is truth and lying something that is okay if someone else does it? Whatever happened to individual morality?
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Hey, we know he paid taxes in 2 years. That's 2 years more than we know from Donald.
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That's the rich boy version of "having to have a steak around your neck so at least the dogs play with you", I take it?
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Trump is paying taxes. The reason he doesn't want them released is that he pays Melania to stay with him, and he deducts her salary as an employee.
I hope she's been getting hazard pay! :-)
On the other hand, excepting any sex stuff (*shudder*), life with The Donald probably isn't much different than it would be at home watching her grandfather sit around in his underwear and yell at the TV all day...
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Twitter just thinks of the money (Score:3)
If Twitter censors Trump, like their Ts & Cs allow, then they'll lose him to another format and lose the money-making traffic.
Re:What a fucking RETARD! And his inbred supporter (Score:5, Insightful)
You know talk like that even from a trolling AC, isn't productive.
Message like yours is part of the reason why people do vote for Guys Like Trump.
Trump plays on peoples fears, and one of the people fears is that the Liberals don't care about them, and would create a government, where everyone is micromanaged.
Threats like this, will play into the persons fears.
It isn't like if yourself or even I, say Trump is a bad person and you are a bad person for voting for him, that they are going to go "Oh yea I was wrong!" People will often stick to their beliefs, and will defensive towards you.
The Liberals are so defensive against Trump, is because he is doing that to us as well.
If you are going to change Opinion, and try to bring back political Civility. We need to work more to stop the Hateful comments, and work towards showing our point of views in a positive life. We as Americans have more in common then different. But media and ranting makes it seem that we are more different than we really are.
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No it's the reason why people vote for any candidate.
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Message like yours is part of the reason why people do vote for Guys Like Trump.
Trump plays on peoples fears, and one of the people fears is that the Liberals don't care about them, and would create a government, where everyone is micromanaged.
Threats like this, will play into the persons fears.
As we were saying in 2016: this is how you got Trump. While your comment about Trump playing on people's fears is insightful, let's also remember that those fear are not without basis.
The government tells me how much water I can use to flush my toilet, and people on Slashdot defend this! What crazy nonsense will they think up next? There is a history here. It's not like he's playing up fears of Godzilla attacking.
If you are going to change Opinion, and try to bring back political Civility. We need to work more to stop the Hateful comments, and work towards showing our point of views in a positive life.
I think we should all aim for "wholesome". Someone disagrees with you? Maybe they have a
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Do you understand now?
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No. We believe the conservatives don't give a damn about us, but they also don't pretend that they do so they can invent overbearing laws to control us.
But, I wouldn't expect an NPC to understand that.
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Not so fast. Biden hasn't been elected yet.
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Or is your complaint just that you don't like other people complaining about things much more important than your metacomplaints.
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How are those situations comparable? Trump deletes tweets that embarrass himself as opposed to Twitter refusing to delete slanderous tweets that violate its own codes of conduct?
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He's the President, he can do whatever he wants.
Only if he is a dictator. In reality, he is elected to at least nominally represent the whole of the country. That means at the minimum he is expected to hold himself to a basic measure of decorum as well as realize that his decisions can have drastic consequences, both for the economic well being as well as literal life and death, for the citizens of the US. He needs to act like it.
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Only if he is a dictator.
No. The discretion in the exercise of the executive power is ultimately with the President. Elections give Presidents position of public trust to perform certain functions. Executing the law is one of those functions. Calling for an investigation is not calling for a punishment. It's a choice of a course of action of the executive authority (ie, it's within the scope of powers of the position to which he has been elected).
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Only if he is a dictator.
Calling for an investigation is not calling for a punishment.
"Lock her up".
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Voters disagree with you. Maybe everyone is thinking they need a president they can look down upon, so they can feel better about themselves. If people end up liking the taste of hanging Trump, then voting for criminal fuckwit pussies might become the new normal. Imagine the excitement, where after every president leaves office, you get to prosecute and humiliate them.
"Mr. Smith, your rap sheet is a disgrace! One count of speeding, 15 years ago?! Tell us your crime plan! How will you trump America?"
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They've lied about him? Why on earth would they bother? There so much sleaze and slime in his background that no one needs to make anything up.
Re:What about the other direction? (Score:4, Insightful)