FBI Changes Policy for Notifying States of Election Systems Cyber Breaches (wsj.com) 32
The Federal Bureau of Investigation will notify state officials when local election systems are believed to have been breached by hackers [the link may be paywalled], a pivot in policy that comes after criticism that the FBI wasn't doing enough to inform states of election threats, WSJ reported Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter. From a report: The FBI's previous policy stated that it notified the direct victims of cyberattacks, such as the counties that own and operate election equipment, but wouldn't necessarily share that information with states. Several states and members of Congress in both parties had criticized that policy as inadequate and one that stifled state-local partnerships on improving election security. Further reading: Despite Election Security Fears, Iowa Caucuses Will Use New Smartphone App.
Oh, look! A sudden policy change! (Score:2)
From "treat everyone like a mushroom" to "actually do our fucking job for once."
<sarcasm>Great. We'll just patiently wait for this to really happen. I'm sure there will be no problems at all.</sarcasm>
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Yea, not going to happen. I have seen a lot of gimmicks in my day.
Security is just not a priority. Theater... now there is something that gets top billing!
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If you actually believe voters are too stupid to realize when they're being duped (which I agree with in some cases)
In "some cases"? 40% of the US still don't see any problem with dumping fossil fuel pollution into the environment, killing 50,000+ Americans every year, and destroying the environment, possibly permanently.
the hacks are coming from inside the house! (Score:3)
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No, they'll say, "Yeah, I know. It's my guys so no worries."
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The fish rots from the head.
Tragic.. it could be so simple (Score:1)
If we would only demand paper ballots. There would be no "cyber breaches". I guess nobody really cares
Re:Tragic.. it could be so simple (Score:5, Insightful)
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I can assure you that outside hackers are not the problem.
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Voter ID is used by the Republicans to depress minority vote
How does voter ID depress minority voting?
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Voter ID is used by the Republicans to depress minority vote
How does voter ID depress minority voting?
When the state of Alabama requires a driver's license to vote and then raises the price charged to renew the license [al.com] and closes DMV offices that serve majority-black counties [al.com] people get suspicious of their motives.
More broadly, each hurdle in the voting process acts as a filter. It is true that, for example, requiring voters to register in advance and then vote in person bearing some form of identification will provide high certainty that only valid voters will vote, but it also means that valid voters
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When the state of Alabama requires a driver's license to vote and then raises the price charged to renew the license [al.com] and closes DMV offices that serve majority-black counties [al.com] people get suspicious of their motives.
Except what you just wrote isn't true [ballotpedia.org]. Alabama accepts lots of forms of voter ID, and will even give you a free voter ID. It's not just driver's licenses, and you don't have to buy one if you can't afford it.
So other than your two claims being completely wrong, what is the problem? How much fraud is acceptable to you?
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AL is requiring people to go out of their way to get some ID to vote
False. Did you even check the link I posted? [ballotpedia.org] Provisionals can be cast with no ID required. Yes, that's the law in AL. You're simply wrong.
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" sounds pretty clear to me
So I assume you are completely against any firearms laws as - per USSC decisions like Heller v DC and McDonald v Chicago - we have a right to carry firearms as we wish. Correct? Or is it only bad to make people actually have to DO something to vote, but completely OK to block exercise of a fundamental Constitutional right?
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AL is requiring people to go out of their way to get some ID to vote
False. Did you even check the link I posted? [ballotpedia.org] Provisionals can be cast with no ID required. Yes, that's the law in AL. You're simply wrong.
Did you even check the link you posted? "Those who cast a provisional ballot [...] must present accepted ID, including the address and telephone number of the voter, to the board of registrars by 5 p.m. on the Friday following the election. If the voter does not do so, the provisional ballot will not be counted."
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" sounds pretty clear to me
So I assume you are completely against any firearms laws as - per USSC decisions like Heller v DC and McDonald v Chicago - we have a right to carry firearms as we wish. Correct? Or is it only bad to make people actually have to DO something to vote, but completely OK to block exercise of a fundamental Constitutional right?
I'll quote Heinlein on firearms: "An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom."
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Yes, I read it. You mean you welcome having undocumented people voting? This gives them nearly TWO WEEKS after the election to prove they are, in fact, who they say they are.
So how much voter fraud should we allow? How much is acceptable in any given election?
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This gives them nearly TWO WEEKS after the election to prove they are, in fact, who they say they are.
Well, ya got me, I spent three posts replying to a troll. The Friday after election day is three days, not even half a week.
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Re:Tragic.. it could be so simple (Score:5, Informative)
Research - peer reviewed at that - says you're wrong [researchgate.net] and that voter ID does not suppress turnout. It can help combat voter fraud, though - which is why both of our neighbors (Canada and Mexico) use it, and pretty much all the EU. In fact, pretty much the entire OECD and developed world does. But I guess they're all racist and such...
As far as voter fraud goes, it happens [heritage.org] and if even one legal voter is nullified by a single fraudulent vote - that's too many. How much voter fraud are you willing to accept? It's not enough to claim "it doesn't happen" because I've linked to actual court cases (thousands of them) that did. So how much fraud is acceptable to you?
Re: Tragic.. it could be so simple (Score:2)
Yah man I totally agree, everyone with a state ID should be able to vote, just tick a box for party at the DMV.
No more expunging voter registration db records or whatever that is, sounds tedious, so yup, everyone with an ID should be able to vote!
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The "voter id" laws we offer are NOT the same as used by other countries. The reason we call them racist is that the version the GOP keeps asking for ARE racists.
Examples:
College IDs are not allowed - because college kids, (who are legally entitled to vote where they go to school) tend to be liberal. So the GOP says their school ID's are not strong enough and actually PREVENTS people with valid ID's from voting. Other countries deal with the lack of quality by requiring the schools to offer better ID
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There is a reason a college ID should NOT be proof of residency (which is what matters for voter ID). You can very well be from out of State or even out of District and vote, with a college ID. In fact, that's why Canada requires proof of address with the college ID [elections.ca] and that makes sense to me. Or are you OK with college students getting two votes - one where they attend college and one where they may reside (in a different District/State/Precinct)?
As far as the price of ID, most States that require voter [ballotpedia.org]
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Instead of 6 weeks after the election (Score:2)
It's now 3 weeks.
Russia, if you're listening... (Score:2)