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Warren Proposes Investing in Congressional Tech Expertise To Diminish Lobbying Power (thehill.com) 138

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Friday proposed reinstating a congressional office dedicated to improving tech expertise in order to beat back the growing power of technology companies' lobbying efforts. From a report: In a plan posted to her website, Warren -- one of the top Democratic presidential contenders -- said she wants to bring back the Office of Technology Assessment (OTA), which was set up in the 1970s and dissolved in 1995 under former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). Congress stood up the OTA to deliver technology expertise to staffers and lawmakers, who often struggle to keep abreast with the latest developments in an advanced and complex industry. Since the OTA was defunded, the country's top tech companies, including Google, Apple, Amazon and Facebook, have invested millions in lobbying efforts, filling the knowledge gap, Warren said, with the message, "Trust us because we understand it and you don't." "Members of Congress should have the resources they need to make decisions without relying on corporate lobbyists," Warren said. There's been a recent spike in interest around the OTA, with lawmakers in the House and Senate proposing legislation that would reinstate the tech office to help lawmakers navigate the pressing regulatory concerns around Big Tech.
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  • Bring it back (Score:3, Insightful)

    by OffTheLip ( 636691 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:14PM (#59243678)
    As much as I hate thinking another government agency is needed there's no question congress is too out of touch with tech to decide important issues. So, yes, we need it.
    • Re:Bring it back (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chas ( 5144 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:26PM (#59243740) Homepage Journal

      No. Because it becomes even worse. Political "professionals".

      • I dislike it for much the same reason I dislike the rest of the political bureaucracy. I didn't vote for them and neither did anyone else. Law or policy makers should be elected officials and this only creates a group that are not responsible to the public for their opinions or decisions.

        Putting that aside, I'm not sure if it would matter either way. Congress seems to have its mind made up on most matters and only seeks data or input like this after the fact in order to justify the choice that they were
        • You would rather Microsoft or Facebook supply the experts explaining tech to congress instead of someone with no ties to the businesses lobbying because that's the way it is now.

          • That's why we have these independent commissions and groups, so they are impartial. For example, the FCC makes impartial decisions based solely on technology and economic data. FCC data says that customers love Comcast. So it's true.
        • Congress seems to have its mind made up on most matters

          So basically, you prefer congressmen to be motivated by their corrupt interest, rather than have a technical agency that can point out why doing it the lobbyist's way will be bad for the taxpayer?

          • by Chas ( 5144 )

            Nobody voted for this technical agency.
            And what's to stop it from being subverted into a lobby group ANYHOW?

      • No. Because it becomes even worse. Political "professionals".

        How about we just go with fewer laws and simpler language in those laws? It worked for the Constitution.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yes! This. We need to hire more Pakistani Awan brothers [fullmeasure.news] to keep Congress in line.

    • Re:Bring it back (Score:4, Insightful)

      by blindseer ( 891256 ) <blindseer@noSPAm.earthlink.net> on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:51PM (#59243854)

      As much as I hate thinking another government agency is needed there's no question congress is too out of touch with tech to decide important issues. So, yes, we need it.

      Then this advertisement for the Warren presidential campaign, cleverly disguised as an issue on technology, is working as intended.

      Well, not so cleverly disguised because the summary included a link to Warren's campaign website.

      Here's an idea, how about we stop electing lawyers to represent us in Congress. Let's get people that know science, technology, business, foreign relations, or business. Let's elect farmers, soldiers, surgeons, nurses, roofers, ranchers, carpenters, plumbers, butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers. Let's get people that know how the world works in Congress. Let them talk to each other on areas of expertise that they bring to Congress. When it comes to matters of law then let the politicians in Congress talk to lawyers they have on hire, or maybe we could have a handful of lawyers in Congress to explain such matters but we need to take care not to let them overrun the place again.

      If people are still baffled on how Trump got into the White House then this is an example. Trump was elected because the voting public got tired of seeing lawyers in government, they wanted a businessman. The people are tired of the professional politician. If people want to be in public office then they should prove themselves worthy by first showing they know how the world works, showing success in some area other than just making speeches and spending other people's money.

      • Here's an idea, how about we stop electing lawyers to represent us in Congress. Let's get people that know science, technology, business, foreign relations, or business. Let's elect farmers, soldiers, surgeons, nurses, roofers, ranchers, carpenters, plumbers, butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers. Let's get people that know how the world works in Congress.

        Those people typically don't have the time or money to run. Lawyers can take time off, run & still get paid a minimum by their firm because which law firm doesn't want a congressman/senator in their pocket?

        • Lawyers can take time off, run & still get paid a minimum by their firm because which law firm doesn't want a congressman/senator in their pocket?

          It may work that way on the state level, but not the federal. If a congressman isn't a partner in the law firm, they're going to sever their legal relationship, because otherwise, the firm is going to have all sorts of conflicts of interest and ethics regs which will make them lose out on retaining clients. If the congressman is part owner, they basically give up the practice, and get partnership dividends, while walling off the practice assets in a trust.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:17PM (#59244004)
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        • Re:Bring it back (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#59244068)

          What you need is someone whose job it is to represent people, and who is knowledgeable about how law works and how it needs to be crafted. When they represent people, they don't need to be experts, they just need to make sure advice from experts is one of the inputs they use to make decisions.

          Personally I wish we could go back to the days where being in Congress wasn't a job. Originally representatives were merchants, intellectuals, doctors, etc. They didn't run for Congress for a job, they did it to help the country. When COngress was in session they would be at the Capital legislating. Out of session, they were at home, working their real jobs. Being an elected official shouldn't be a job, something that you make a living on. In fact, it's gotten worse. The job of a member of Congress is no longer to legislate: it's to get reelected. From the moment they first get elected that is all they care about.

          • Re:Bring it back (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @03:08PM (#59244240)

            Personally I wish we could go back to the days where being in Congress wasn't a job. Originally representatives were merchants, intellectuals, doctors, etc. They didn't run for Congress for a job, they did it to help the country. When COngress was in session they would be at the Capital legislating. Out of session, they were at home, working their real jobs.

            And in those days, the population of the entirety of the state of Georgia was just over 80,000 people, including 29,000 slaves, and not counting any Native Americans at all. The most populous state in the Union had less than 750,000 people, including 291,000 slaves (Virginia). That includes what would become the population of West Virginia in 1860. No other state at the time had a population of even half a million. Tennessee had a population of just 35,691 people.

            In short, a Senator or Congressman in the time you're referring to was the equivalent of a counsel member of a small sized town today. And guess what council members of small sized towns do today? They go work their real jobs after a couple of weeks taking care of council membering every year.

            The US government is as big as it is because the US is as big as it is. Government exists for dealing with people problems. People problems increase in frequency the more people there are. The US has the size government is frankly needs, because there are so many people. Nostalgia for a simpler time doesn't help. The people exist.

          • you have to be independently wealthy to run for Congress? Say what you will about Alexandria Ocassio-Cortez but she's bonafide working class. Sanders and Warren too. I'm not sure any of them could do what they do without a fair bit of money.

            See, thing is, if you fight tirelessly for the working class while in office you're likely to piss off a _lot_ of powerful people. That means if you ever have to go back to the private sector prepare to get blackballed.

            For my money I'd like to see Congress be the
          • Personally I wish we could go back to the days where being in Congress wasn't a job.

            This is how you guarantee that all politicians must be independently wealthy, and not actually the run-of-the-mill "merchants, intellectuals, doctors, etc" you are thinking of.

          • They didn't run for Congress for a job, they did it to help the country

            Get real. Yeah, you could do that part-time thing back in the early 1800's. This is 2019, and our Constitutional government doesn't remotely resemble our government today. It requires elected leaders that can specialize with government esoterica, like foreign relations, federal bureaucracy, industry regulation, and that is all now being affected by tech.

            The job of a member of Congress is no longer to legislate: it's to get reelected.

            Blame the American voter for not managing their Congress. Congressmen need to raise money to pay for polling and electioneering. Make them spend no mor

          • Personally I wish we could go back to the days where being in Congress wasn't a job.

            You walk out to your mailbox. Open the letter from the government, "f*ck I've been drafted for two years, Congress". Of course during induction there is a medical and psychological testing. If all goes well there it is followed by several months of training before the Congressional term begins.

          • So do you have any solution approach to the problem of professional politicians? Especially the desperate politicians who think they must win or starve? I believe Doonesbury recently worded it as "Always bet on the cornered rat?"

            The only solution approach I could come up with involved a guarantee of a government job for the runner up. In theory, that loser should be qualified for the political job he failed to win, so it could make some sense to put the loser in a somewhat lower job with a lower salary (but

        • Leading question, your answer is clearly crooks. You defined a world where only the 'elite' can rule, the rest (that INCLUDES you) are just useful fools. Your desire to be a slave to the elite does not entitle you to sacrifice everyone else. Guess I could have just said you're wrong, but that isn't enough.
        • There's a reason that Congress critters have staffs (18+ full-time people) - to assist on policy research. The fact that so few actually choose to have staff members with tech focus says quite a bit... There are over 13,000 congressional staffers - that should be plenty to allow some (from each party, if desired) to actually stay abreast of tech trends.
          • The fact that so few actually choose to have staff members with tech focus says quite a bit

            "Congressional Staffer" doesn't pay very well. At least until you reach the chief-of-staff or similar high-level positions. People with tech expertise can make many times more working in the private sector.

            Which was the point of the OTA - the much larger pool of funding (all Congress instead of one congressperson) meant that the OTA could pay well enough to hire people with actual expertise.

            • Some positions don't pay well; others pay OK ($80K plus benefits). An OTA staff would probably be a GS9/GS11, which is also well below what you could make in the private sector. Of course, people often go into politics for reasons other than just straight-out salary; power, prestige, and the ability to command big lobbying bucks later on often weigh in...
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          >> This is one of those populist statements that sounds nice, but when you look into it you find it's actually a really bad idea.
          > The fact someone is a carpenter doesn't make them an expert on anything other than carpentry,

          You are completely missing the point. They still have to follow the Laws like everyone else. They can provide input on when and how future new laws can negatively impact the Carpentry industry. .e.g. The farmer would be against the bullshit DRM laws. [wired.com] When companies hold users

        • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

          What you need is someone...who is knowledgeable about how law works and how it needs to be crafted.

          You're talking about lawyers, the same people who overcomplicated the nation's laws such that only lawyers can understand them. Are you sure they're the best people for the job?

        • "The fact someone is a carpenter doesn't make them an expert on anything other than carpentry,"
          Yeah but we're electing largely LAWYERS.

          The fact someone is a lawyer doesn't generally make them an expert on anything other than being an asshole,

          • Expert on the law. Which means they can craft the laws to support the lawyers. "Govt of the lawyers, by the lawyers, for the lawyers".
        • As a physicist, I suspect I'd have a better chance evaluating the feasibility and use of a technology, even one far outside my field, than a congressman/lawyer listening to a lobbyist.
        • The fact someone is a carpenter doesn't make them an expert on anything other than carpentry, The fact someone is a "scientist" means they're an expert on their field, but says nothing about their expertise anywhere else.

          The argument for such individuals is that they are likely to be more honest and hence more likely to listen to the experts. A lawyer is trained and practiced to believe that there is no right or wrong in a professional setting, just that they are assigned a side and must vigorously defend and promote that side by all means fair and foul.

          And neither is automatically a great spokesperson for their communities or the things they care about.

          You grew up in a city? You are displaying quite an arrogant, ill-informed, elitist attitude.

          Nor are they necessarily good at crafting laws, ensuring those laws work the way they're supposed to and don't have obvious loopholes.

          They have staff to craft the actual text. They merely have to decide what goes in

      • Re:Bring it back (Score:5, Insightful)

        by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:36PM (#59244088)

        Here's an idea, how about we stop electing lawyers to represent us in Congress. Let's get people that know science, technology, business, foreign relations, or business.

        I suggested this to a busload of lawyer students I met once. Their response was that the day-to-day work of someone in congress is to pass laws; that being a congress-person is itself a practice of law. Congress has few levers at its control other than passing or repealing laws.

        I don't agree with the conclusion but I don't know how to argue against it.

        • The branch of government the United Sates Congress heads is literally called the Legislative Branch.

          Legislate: to make or enact laws.

          This is on naturalization tests, and high school graduation requirements in most states.

          Yup, there should be many lawyers in Congress, but they don't all need to be one just like the president doesn't need to be a former military officer, but you know, it sort of helps.

        • by khchung ( 462899 )

          Here's an idea, how about we stop electing lawyers to represent us in Congress. Let's get people that know science, technology, business, foreign relations, or business.

          I suggested this to a busload of lawyer students I met once. Their response was that the day-to-day work of someone in congress is to pass laws; that being a congress-person is itself a practice of law. Congress has few levers at its control other than passing or repealing laws.

          I don't agree with the conclusion but I don't know how to argue against it.

          By that logic, we should choose English majors for most jobs, including Congress, since all the work is done in English, and most day to day work is reading and writing in English!

          Those law students confused form and function. Yes, the work in Congress is about passing laws, as much as it is about reading and writing in English (the form). However, there are implications and consequences about these laws (the function), that understanding those consequences required expertise in other fields like science,

        • "congress is to pass laws"
          Someone should tell them to fulfill the requirements of the job they were elected to do. Today the only thing they do is conduct investigations against their political adversaries in order to win the next election.

      • I'd make the argument that the people writing the nation's laws should understand how laws work and should be formatted as well as having a good understanding of legal precedence etc. so as to avoid wasting time on legislation that would only be thrown out as unconstitutional by the courts, but I can't particularly say that the current crop of lawyers in Congress has done a good job at that either so there's no reason to keep them around.

        Then again maybe the common folk would write something that the oth
      • Re:Bring it back (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @03:00PM (#59244204)

        Senator Warren is running for President, and she has a plan for that. There is no disguise involved. She has a plan to improve technical literacy in the US Congress, and people are talking about it because she's running for President.

        In your list of non-lawyers we should elect to Congress you forgot to include teachers. Like Senator Warren. And these are exactly the people who know how to teach other members of Congress about technology.

      • "The people are tired of the professional politician."

        If you get rid of the professionals, all you are left with are the amateurs.

        • I.e., those who do it for the love of it, not the dollars. Sounds like a good idea.
          • No, those who have no experience, don't know what they are doing, and aren't taking it seriously.

            Does getting rid of professional legislators get rid of the professional lobbyists? No, and now they have easier marks.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by barius ( 1224526 )
      You want another FDA, for whom 9 of the last 10 commissioners left to become top tier execs in the industry they were expected to regulate?
    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      Nope.
      Another iteration of the OTA wouldn't help.
      Who do you think will be driving the OTA?
      The old OTA was and the new OTA will be driven by the "Big Technology" companies. Today that's Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, et al. It was a different set of companies in yesteryear.
      Warren is campaigning for Bigger Government.
      And another department to blame when she fucks up!
    • This isn't about creating a government agency, this is just about creating a (literal and figurative) office in Congress where they have staff that can assist Congress Critters in understanding technology.

      They would not be regulating or administering anything, so they wouldn't be anything like a government agency. Just like the IMC (Instructional Media Center) in a school isn't a separate school, or even a department. It is just an office, usually run by the librarian, but maybe by somebody else.

      It is just

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      I don't know what's worse, a bunch of people screwing with technology because they don't know how it works, or a bunch of people screwing with technology BECAUSE they know how it works.

  • Meh.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:15PM (#59243690)

    Warren Proposes Investing in Congressional Tech Expertise To Diminish Lobbying Power (thehill.com)

    As long as bribery is legal thanks to the Citizens United v. FEC ruling any other measures are pointless.

    • by thomn8r ( 635504 )

      As long as bribery is legal thanks to the Citizens United v. FEC ruling any other measures are pointless.

      It actually goes back to Buckley vs Valeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    • Re:Meh.... (Score:4, Informative)

      by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:20PM (#59244020) Homepage Journal

      Warren has also demonstrated she doesn't care about lobbying except as a political hot button. She "declared war on lobbyists" and the very next day hired one to her campaign.

      She's not trying to make lobbyists less effective, she's trying to move them in-house. Easier to receive those bribes when the people you negotiate with them for are in-house.

      • No she didn't (Score:4, Informative)

        by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @03:02PM (#59244212)
        You might be confused about what a lobbyist does. A lobbyist is paid by a company or organization in order to lobby politicians. If the politicians hire somebody, by definition, they're not lobbyists, since they're being paid by the politician's office, and not an outside entity.
  • The problem is such an institution will produce facts and deal with objective reality.

    Facts have a well known liberal bias. So one of our political parties will not tolerate it. I'm not naming names.

    • by I75BJC ( 4590021 )
      I don't think that word, "facts", means what you think it means.
    • Clearly you mean a conservative bias, since Joe Biden famously claimed that he believes "truth" over facts [washingtonexaminer.com].
    • by Terwin ( 412356 )

      The problem is such an institution will produce facts and deal with objective reality.

      Just because a fact can be true or false does not mean it will be true. And in any case, they are unlikely to be asked for facts, they will be asked for opinions such as 'will this bill help me get reelected?'

      Facts have a well known liberal bias. So one of our political parties will not tolerate it. I'm not naming names.

      I find that very much depends on who you listen to.
      If you listen to CNN or the New York Times, then yes, there will be a definite liberal slant, but those are no longer the only options for collecting information.

  • Ok, so the OTA replaces the lobbing firms, but the employees of said firms probably will just end up in the OTA...

  • "Members of Congress should have the resources they need to make decisions without relying on corporate lobbyists," ...

    ... at least they may have a better idea if corporations, lobbyists, etc... are being straight with or trying to play them. Also, access to in-house resources will allow congresscritters to research things on their own schedules and to their own satisfaction.

    (Note I said, "allow" not that they "will". /cynical)

  • Warren's fanboys/fangirls really lap this shit up. They think she's a genius because she comes out with all these "policies". While that's certainly a positive development in US politics, the problem is her policies are all shit, almost without exception. And she could never implement them.

    Take her ridiculous wealth confiscation.. I mean "wealth tax" scheme. Will never happen, it's unconstitutional, but it appeals to her rabble base. Anytime you ask how she's going to implement her outlandish schemes they

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      How DARE you attack the only Native American Indian in the Senate! That has to be racist, somehow...
    • Take her ridiculous wealth confiscation.. I mean "wealth tax" scheme. Will never happen, it's unconstitutional,

      Taxes are not unconstitutional. That's a lie. Taxes are how our government functions.
      • But ⦠OP wasn't talking about taxes in general being unconstitutional. Believing one type of tax is =/= being opposed to all taxes, you know.
      • You're right, taxes aren't unconstitutional. What's your point?

        What Warren has proposed is wealth confiscation, not a tax. Claiming it's a tax when there's no rationally defined transaction involved doesn't make it a tax.

        • by DogDude ( 805747 )
          What Warren has proposed is wealth confiscation, not a tax. Claiming it's a tax when there's no rationally defined transaction involved doesn't make it a tax.

          Also false. It's called an "income tax". She is proposing changing the rates of income tax for the wealthiest. Take a deep breath. Calm down. It's not a conspiracy. It's a return to what used to be called normal in the US.
          • That's what I don't get, half of you people don't even have any grasp on your own candidates. Same with medicare for all, most of you have no idea what it really means.

            Try to keep up with your own side's policies. She has pushed forward a wealth "tax" (again, not really) that would tax between 1-3% every year on existing net worth for the very rich. This is different from an income tax, of course, in that income is a transaction that can legitimately be taxed.

            So many low information voters out there...I don

            • by DogDude ( 805747 )
              . She has pushed forward a wealth "tax" (again, not really) that would tax between 1-3% every year on existing net worth for the very rich.

              Yeah, you're right. It's not technically an "income tax". It's a "property tax". I pay them every year on the value of my assets, too.
              • Federal property tax? Weird.. Never heard of it.
                • Never heard of a healthcare penalty tax either but ACA provided us that and California re-implemented it when Congress took the mandate out.

                  Why not a federal income tax...oh wait we already have that too. In fact, I pay more to the feds then the state.

    • Will never happen, it's unconstitutional

      [Citation Required]

      The feds tax based on the amount of flammable liquid you put in your car. They certainly can tax based on the quantity of cash in your bank account.

      • I don't need a citation, I'm not the one making the extraordinary claim that an unprecedented wealth confiscation scheme is a "tax".

        Buying gas is a transaction. What transaction (by any non-lala land, rational definition) is taking place from the assets I already own? Shit, some "billionaires" may not even be able to aford it as most of their net worth is funny money in the stock market or a non fungible business.

        • What transaction (by any non-lala land, rational definition) is taking place from the assets I already own?

          What transaction is taking place when you pay your property taxes?

          Yes, most property taxes are state and local, but there is no place in the Constitution that forbids the feds from having a property tax.

          That's why you need to provide a citation for your claim.

          • Go read the 16th amendment. Income taxes. Anything else would be up to the states. Or are you convinced the Federal government can do anything they want and they just added the 16th "for funsies"?
            • They kind of can. The US supreme court said aca was a tax so apparently Congress can pass any tax it wants. If they want to create a wealth or property tax at the federal level, they apparently can. They already have in the past and could do so in the future.

  • Each representative is allowed 18 personal full-time staff, and 4 part-time staff. Senators (including Warren) average 38. If you care about tech, hire a staffer to pay attention to it, and how tech relates to your own district/State. No need for a special office, which will undoubtedly lag the pace of tech (as much of Government does).
  • by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Friday September 27, 2019 @03:28PM (#59244360)

    This would in theory be great, but it needs to avoid having the office staffed by flunkies from the tech industry (i.e. not suffer the equivalent of regulatory capture). Some basic ideas to help this idea succeed, roughly:
    - All appointees must be federal employees employed by a national laboratory or other technology based agency.
    - All appointees must have been employed at a qualifying laboratory/agency for 3 years prior.
    - All appointees will be designated by the laboratory/agency, not requested by congress.
    - All appointees will serve a one year term, with a minimum one year gap before serving again.
    - Background checks, conflict of interest checks, etc. before appointees are approved.
    - ???

    Still seems a stretch to make it happen as intended, and assumes that members of congress actually want unbiased information.

  • Did she reinvent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

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