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Twitter Might Punish Users Who Tweet 'Learn To Code' At Laid-Off Journalists (reason.com) 418

According to a report from Reason magazine, Twitter users who comment the "learn to code" advice at journalists who just lost their jobs might be treated as "abusive behavior," which is a violation of the social media site's terms of service. The rumor comes from Jon Levine, Media Editor at The Wrap. From the report: The Wrap's Jon Levine said representatives for the social media company had backed away from the position they related to him earlier, which was that the phrase "learn to code" itself constituted abusive behavior. The new position seems to be that "learn to code" is not de facto harassment, but could be considered harassment if tweeted aggressively as part of campaign to intimidate a specific user, in accordance with Twitter's somewhat vague abusive behavior policy. In an email to Reason, a Twitter spokesperson said: "Twitter is responding to a targeted harassment campaign against specific individuals -- a policy that's long been against the Twitter Rules."

Last week, journalists from BuzzFeed, HuffPost, Yahoo, AOL, and others, were let go. BuzzFeed founder and CEO, Jonah Peretti, said the company "would reduce headcount by 15%, or about 250 jobs, to around 1,100 employees globally," reports The Guardian. "At the same time, Verizon said it would trim 7% of headcount, about 800 people, from its media unit, which includes HuffPost, Yahoo and AOL. The job losses followed sales or cuts at Mic, Refinery29 and elsewhere."
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Twitter Might Punish Users Who Tweet 'Learn To Code' At Laid-Off Journalists

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  • hmmm.... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by crgrace ( 220738 )

    But it lets Trump abuse people all day long...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      It also lets people abuse Trump supporters all day long. See: literal death threats and inciting violence against MAGA hat kid just last week.

      • Re:hmmm.... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Dan667 ( 564390 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:54PM (#58037534)
        uh, that does not make it ok. And the President of the United States should be setting the standard, not encouraging everyone to behave as shitty as he does.
  • Covenginton (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:36PM (#58037446)

    Tweeting "Learn to code" is harassment.
    However, giving death threats to high school kids who are attacked by racists is acceptable.

    Got it. Punishing people based on political views is acceptable.
    Thanks liberals for letting us know how "tolerant" you all are.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Obfuscant ( 592200 )

      Tweeting "Learn to code" is harassment.

      No, it isn't. The summary itself contradicts the flamebait headline:

      representatives for the social media company had backed away from the position they related to him earlier, which was that the phrase "learn to code" itself constituted abusive behavior.

      So tweeting "learn to code" is not harassment. Tweeting it a thousand times would be. Tweeting "have a nice day" a thousand times would be, too. Whatever else is or is not harassment, this is just /. flamebait describing a complicated circumstance in a trivial way and then claiming a trivial act is being punished unfairly.

      • I weep for the future. "learn to code" is just good career advice. It's good advice for those already coding and those wanting to start coding.

        • But it's bad advice to someone who has no aptitude or affinity to coding. We already have enough cargo-cult programmers that can do barely more than copy/paste code from stackexchange.

        • I weep for the future. "learn to code" is just good career advice.

          There are already programmers sitting around unemployed right now because it's cheaper to hire someone else. I don't think that it is good career advice. Going into psych is probably the best plan, there's a ton of people who want to be reassured that things aren't as bad as they really are.

      • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

        thousand times to same guy or different guys?

        it's just solid advice..

      • Re:Covenginton (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:03PM (#58037774)

        So tweeting "learn to code" is not harassment. Tweeting it a thousand times would be.

        Except they aren't banning people who are tweeting that one thousand times, they are banning people who are tweeting it once, which is a lot less than the number of harassing Covington tweets some people have made.

      • Re:Covenginton (Score:4, Informative)

        by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:23PM (#58037838)
        They've banned people already for simply tweeting the phrase. They banned people simply for having the NPC meme in their profile. Cutting and pasting the spokeshole talking point doesn't make him wrong.
        • Isn't this a bit like a DDoS attack though?
          Everyone is doing something that by itself *looks* innocent, but if you look at the aggregate for the receiver it is clear that it is not.

          If they have already received 783 tweets with "learn to code", nobody with good intentions will send the same exact "career advice" again.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          You don't know that, because Twitter doesn't explain the precise reasoning behind the ban.

          When you look at these accounts you inevitably find them flirting with getting banned over and over again until something finally got them booted, at which point they claim it was the most trivial thing they ever did and nothing to do with all the other shitposting.

          • Re:Covenginton (Score:5, Insightful)

            by sinij ( 911942 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @10:23AM (#58039748)
            This is bridge too far. You are assuming that Twitter has resources to monitor on-going behavior and make a complex and nuanced "body of work" determinations for a massive amount of people. Do you have any idea how expensive such moderation would be to implement?

            Instead, I propose that simpler explanation is that Twitter bans people arbitrary, based on instances of snowflake meltdowns and reporting backed up by a hasty review by ideologically-driven moderators that results in very clear anti-conservative bias.
      • Maybe the Twitter devs are just afraid of all that competition.
      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Well time for a bit of reality. Why is tweeting, 'learn to code to Journalists mean', well, it wasn't that long back I was in Uni and was forced to do computing 101, talk about a gimme subject, well, for some. For the computer literate and plus 125 crowd easy for the rest, well, they were Liberal arts students and struggled and that was it for computer coding for them, oh they wanted too alright, just that they couldn't. Seriously the fake social justice journos, were not journalists at all, just screaming

      • Re:Covenginton (Score:5, Insightful)

        by lgw ( 121541 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @06:29AM (#58038894) Journal

        People are being banned for tweeting "learn to code" just once. It's just a lot of people have offered the same advice. And not only to journalists.

        And of course this meme didn't come from no where: it's the exact advice these journalists gave to laid-off coal miners a few years ago. So, it's fine when the left dishes it out, but banworthy when the left receives it.

    • Re:Covenginton (Score:4, Insightful)

      by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:35PM (#58037694) Journal
      Liberals tend to be more intolerant than conservatives [researchgate.net]. Those who shout and scream the most for "tolerance" are, in fact, the least tolerant among us...
      • Liberals tend to be more intolerant than conservatives.

        Your link neither shows that, nor claims to. It speaks only to political intolerance, i.e. intolerance of political views. But liberals are more tolerant of literally everything else than conservatives. Pay attention!

    • 'Thanks liberals for letting us know how "tolerant" you all are.'

      Those people are not liberals. They are corporate progressives. They hate real liberals just as much as they hate everything else.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Tweeting "Learn to code" is harassment.

      Well, no. Even TFS admits that the headline is bullshit.

      It can be part of a sustain harassment campaign, sure. Get thousands of followers to tweet it at the target. But on its own? No.

      It's worrying that people can't see the difference between a genuinely helpful suggestion made in good faith and trolling. Apparently Twitter can, but TFA seems to be being obtuse to make a non-story into something.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Get thousands of followers to tweet it at the target.

        Do you know what a meme is? No one was coordinating this. Thousands of people just found the same joke funny. Journalists were telling laid off coal miners to "learn to code" just a few years ago, let's give them their own advice now. Karma is such a bitch.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          If it's just memes posted unprompted the fine, go ahead. They do kinda deserve it and it's completely fair. Wouldn't dispute that.

          And neither would Twitter I think, given the response they gave in TFA.

    • Re:Covenginton (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Spamalope ( 91802 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @07:46AM (#58039114)
      Haven't journalists been (as at least a rough paraphrase) saying 'learn to code' whenever blue collar jobs are lost, so this is really a 'lets see how you like your own medicine' type of response?
    • Tweeting "Learn to code" is harassment.

      How about tweeting "Learn to write"? I swear, if I see another blog entry masquerading as "journalism" that starts with "HAY GUESS WAT?", I will punch someone, not an easy task for an habitual loner.

  • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:38PM (#58037452)
    Learn to code!...please?
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:38PM (#58037460)
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  • This is a policy that only applies to laid-off journalists?
    I feel like I'm missing something here.
    • Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Bob-Bob Hardyoyo ( 4240135 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:57PM (#58037758)

      You probably need the context then. Recently an arseload of mostly left-leaning journalists from left-leaning websites got laid-off (specifically Huffington Post and that bastion of integrity and probity Buzzfeed). Right wing Twitter users thought back to when Obama told laid-off coal miners that they should just learn to code, and decided that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. They then proceeded to start mocking the laid-off journalists with the same advice. The left-leaning journalists got their feefees hurt and started whining to mummy Twitter to make the mean words stop.

      • Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:33PM (#58037872)
        Did Obama really say that? I can't find a reference to it and it's an uncharacteristically dumb thing to say
        • Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @02:25AM (#58038398) Homepage

          Whether Obama said it or not, the sentiment has been around for a while.

          A lot of people there were really optimistic that the solution to technological unemployment was to teach unemployed West Virginia truck drivers to code so they could participate in the AI revolution. I used to think this was a weird straw man occasionally trotted out by Freddie deBoer, but all these top economists were *super enthusiastic* about old white guys whose mill has fallen on hard times founding the next generation of nimble tech startups.

          http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/06/notes-from-the-asilomar-conference-on-beneficial-ai/ [slatestarcodex.com]

          It's a hard-hearted lack of sympathy. Working class stiffs from Middle America get told to fuck off and learn to code because the coasts are eliminating their jobs with globalism.

          When I was young, most people in the upper half were perfectly willing to respect those in the bottom half, and some people (leftists) practically worshipped them. Today, it is vastly different. Remarks calling working class "deplorables" and worse have become quite common today on the left. Leftists say that working class are racist, misogynistic, intolerant, etc. In reality, they are the bigots and not middle America.

          • They're not being told to fuck off, they're being given opportunities to retrain for better jobs. I don't remember Obama saying "learn to code" but I do remember him talking about retraining coal miners for factory jobs. Trump isn't doing anything for appalachia and those jobs are going away at some point anyway.

            And when HRC talks about deplorables she's not talking about coal miners, she's talking about coal-rollers -> those douchebags who make their pickups extra pollutey so they can trigger liberals
            • So a coal mining man with calloused, bearpaw hands is going to sit in front of a computer and compete with Achmed and Nasheem for IT jobs?

              Assholes among us, eh? A single car making pollution? Tell me, how many in middle America get to craft industrial policies that harm the planet? How many wars did we start? That's all on you, assholes. And you're getting ready for another war in Venezuela. Good job, I'm sure that will totally turn out just as well as it did for you in Iraq.

              • Ok, now you're so all over the place I can't even tell which side you're on.
                Maybe you're beefing with the voices in your head?
          • It wasn't just political handwaving. It's been the standard attitude among economists all along. They've been cheerleading offshoring and other rapid deindustrialization with a message that boils down to people will get better jobs, like coding.

            I mean, they're probably right in the long term / macroeconomic perspective (we can have the AI/unemployment/basic income debate later), but almost none of them acknowledged that most existing workers losing their jobs will wind up with worse employment or none at

  • Abusive Behaviour (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NFN_NLN ( 633283 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:39PM (#58037464)

    They should just re-label "abusive behaviour" to "whatever we don't like, whenever we don't like it"

    Trash journalists didn't seem to care when blue collar workers were losing their jobs. Besides, everyone should learn how to code, learn how to file their taxes, learn to cook, learn CPR...

    • by alexo ( 9335 )

      Besides, everyone should learn how to code, learn how to file their taxes, learn to cook, learn CPR...

      "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
      — Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

    • "They should just re-label "abusive behaviour" to "whatever we don't like, whenever we don't like it""

      It's actually "whatever costs us money", which is why corporations are poor stewards without exception. Trump violates Twitter's ToS almost every time he twats (deliberate fraud, harassment, incitement of violence...) but they'll never terminate his account because it makes them more important. And all because they are beholden to stockholders.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Fine, learn to suck cock then.

  • by Jarwulf ( 530523 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:40PM (#58037478)
    You can tweet about feeding kids into a woodchipper or giving blowjobs to punch kids in the face or dox kids all day long or do any of the threatening and calls to violence that the antiMAGA crowd almost entirely got away with a few days ago and are still widely and proudly unapologetic for but tweeting 'learn to code' is going too far!
  • by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:41PM (#58037484)

    That told coal miners "Get a Uhaul and learn to code"

    Seems they really don't like having that thrown in their face.

    • That told coal miners "Get a Uhaul and learn to code"

      Seems they really don't like having that thrown in their face.

      I gotta say this very respectfully to everyone here:

      If you shit your pants because someone tells you to learn to code, be it MAGA People or thase commie journalists, or get spun up by either.

      The USA is ready to be invaded, and subsumed, because we've become a nation of utter weaklings, left or right. So many snowflakes - so precious, so fragile.

      Probably all those phytoestrogenes we've been eating.

      So everyone chillaxe, take a deep breath. Let's go get a beer.

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  • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:44PM (#58037494)
    Well Obama is fucked. He asked everyone to learn how to code [youtube.com].
  • by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:57PM (#58037546)

    Reporters learning to code? Given the state of journalism today they'll just go to stackoverflow and copy the top 8 answers into the file and call it done.

    "I don't understand why I can't use hashtags to search for code snippets!"

  • Looking for new recruits.
  • by Pluvius ( 734915 ) <pluvius3@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:05PM (#58037584) Journal

    It already has. There's documented [imgur.com] proof [i.redd.it] of it.

    Rob

    • Those photos are probably accurate, but it's probably worth mentioning that these days, a photo doesn't really constitute proof.
  • Can we please route Twitter off the internet? It does nothing of value.

  • I don't give a fuck about Twitter and its stupid fucking abuse policy. The real story of interest here is that multiple digital news outlets are laying off journalists left and right. They're nontraditional news outlets, but they are major news outlets nonetheless, and most of them are owned by companies who could easily afford to keep the journalists employed. For instance, I would guess that the journalists working for Verizon-- the parent company of several of these news outlets-- represent less than

  • Now, Twitter's going to be our purse-lipped mother-in-law?
  • If Twitter is going to continue their policy of selectively enforcing rules when the spotlight is on them... this is utterly meaningless.

  • 1) Users who tweet learn to code are banned.
    2) Twitter loses more and more market share.
    3) ???
    4) ex-twitter employees join ex-journalist at school where they learn to code.
  • So ... these "journalists" (I'll use the term loosely here) were laid off for harassing people?

  • For seven years, I worked as a programmer at the Associated Press in Manhattan. I met a lot of journalists. It was obvious I wouldn't make a good journalist, because I wasn't interested in the stuff they were interested in. And it was equally obvious they would make poor programmers, for exactly the same reason.

  • Remember what the coal miners got told?

    Code now has a few slight changes. Learn how to read a Code of Conduct (CoC) and what a CoC allows code to be used for in 2019 and beyond.
    Select a computer code that is still in use. Has the code got a CoC that allows the results to still make a profit?
    Do you have to show your code for anyone to copy and give away for free?
    Dont learn a code that makes you give everything you worked on away for free.
    Will the CoC make the code difficult to use and make a profit fro

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