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Radical Leftists Built Their Own FOSS Alternative To Reddit After It Banned Them (vice.com) 289

eeplox shares a report from VICE, adding: "Community-built sites like these are very much needed since Reddit announced they were going closed source": After r/LeftWithSharpEdge was taken down, ziq [one of the subreddit's members] decided to leave Reddit and create an independent anarchist community free from its rules. Raddle.me, which was originally called Raddit.me, is an "alternative that is focused on community building and openness, and not controlled by a corporation," ziq told me. The original name was intended to sound similar to Reddit, but was later changed to avoid potential trademark issues. Raddle doesn't have advertisements or run analytical software, so its size is difficult to calculate -- but that's by design. The site is meant to be an alternative to social networks that profit by monitoring user behavior and serving advertisements. "We have no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone," ziq said. The site is community-built and anyone can contribute to the code.

Ziq's commitment to privacy is an appealing virtue for Raddle's users. "I'm always very uneasy about the lack of concern for privacy online," Tequila_Wolf, a user who posts frequently to Raddle, told me in a direct message. "When you have friends on government lists who get harassed at every border because, say, they are members of Anarchists Against The Wall, you know you don't want to get on that list." Raddle ultimately came out of more broad problems ziq and Emma saw with Reddit. Ziq complained about how it has increasingly become a recruiting ground for the alt-right, the social network's overemphasis on America (r/politics, a major subreddit, only discusses U.S.-based politics, for example), and the fact that the site's code isn't open source, among other issues. Emma mentioned what she says is a problem with harassment on the site. "To me, the biggest problem with Reddit is how its administrators ignore the routine harassment and witch-hunts of marginalized people that takes place, with r/The_Donald being the most prominent example," she said.

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Radical Leftists Built Their Own FOSS Alternative To Reddit After It Banned Them

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  • by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:28PM (#55281251)
    sign up. log on. wave to the camera
    • by thesupraman ( 179040 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:29AM (#55281825)

      What they really dont like is the presence of anyone who does not agree with them.

      So they have gone and made their own little club, out the in the back shed, where they can make sure anyone who does not agree with them will be kicked out (the equivalent of the 'no girls!' club sign). They will make their big plans there, all competing to out do the others in how 'revolutionary' they are.they will virtue signal until they are red in the face and their 'community' will slowly shrink as anyone who isnt revolutionary ENOUGH this week gets excluded.

      Meanwhile the rest of the world will get on with actual life, something they will be less and less in touch with.

      Sad? yes.
      Pathetic? yes.

      But hey, its no different 'because its on the internet', the only odd thing here is that someone thinks its newsworthy. Its not.

      • What they really dont like is the presence of anyone who does not agree with them.

        So they have gone and made their own little club,

        I see no problem with this.

        Meanwhile the rest of the world will get on with actual life, something they will be less and less in touch with.

        Sad? yes.
        Pathetic? yes.

        But hey, its no different 'because its on the internet', the only odd thing here is that someone thinks its newsworthy. Its not.

        The only odd thing here is that a media article admits to the existence of radical leftism. I've gotten so used to people pointing at radical left ideology and claiming that it's centrist.

        An article that admits the existence of a radical left is newsworthy. The actual existence of a radical left is not.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          To be honest, a lot of the time it is centrists being called radical leftists.

          • by goose-incarnated ( 1145029 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:34AM (#55282363) Journal

            To be honest, a lot of the time it is centrists being called radical leftists.

            I'm a centrist and i've never been called radical left, I only ever get accused of being rightwing. Apparently the view that rules should apply e regardless of race or sex is a rightwing view. Me saying that if black-only or women-only clubs are acceptable then so are whites-only or men-only clubs apparently makes me some sort of nazi (in my case a black one).

            The left is now mostly a speech-suppression movement which is antithetical to a free society. For example, I am a lifelong atheist, but I have never in my life campaigned to prevent religious propagandists from talking at a university.

            • by Jahoda ( 2715225 )
              I'm a centrist and i've never been called radical left, I only ever get accused of being rightwing

              I'm going to stop you right there, because, like most Americans I am pretty centrist as well. And I get called "extreme left" by the those on the right, ironically because they have moved so far right they can no longer even gauge what is where anymore, and I also get called "right-wing" by pretty much any liberal under 30, because I believe that the world is not black and white and there is nuance in eve
            • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

              This seems to be pretty much the way it is now. I've walked the same political path for over 20 years now. When Obama got elected I got labeled wing because I wouldn't get on board with the Obama bashing.

              Now that I won't get on board with the rabbit Trump hating I'm suddenly a alt right nut job.

              • Now that I won't get on board with the rabbit Trump hating I'm suddenly a alt right nut job.

                Why would anyone hat on rabbit Trump? Rabbits are cute!

            • by dryeo ( 100693 )

              Isn't sex segregation a right wing thing? Same with colour segregation.
              As someone on the left, I agree with you that

              if black-only or women-only clubs are acceptable then so are whites-only or men-only clubs

              I also can't imagine campaigning to stop anyone from talking at a university, though I will ignore them and encourage others to do the same.

              I think the problem is that America has a totally screwed up idea of what left is. There's actually people down there who think the Clintons are left wing along with the rest of the democrats.

          • by swb ( 14022 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:35AM (#55282947)

            As society as increasingly become more racially tolerant, the racial equity movements have had to turn to increasingly ephemeral explanations (micro-aggression, etc) to justify African American problems.

            The broad hiring of Latinos nation-wide in low wage labor positions, the mass hiring of South Asians in IT positions and how it has mostly worked without broad resistance has really made African Americans reliance on "racism" as the principal source of their present problems increasingly less believable.

            So they've turned to increasingly more comprehensive and inescapable explanations of white racism. Whites are generally now assumed to be racist in ways they aren't considered capable of overcoming. In the 1960s you could support civil rights and have black friends and easily not be considered racist -- in fact, you were probably considered suspect by conservatives. Now that's not good enough, you have to permanently accept your inherent racism.

            Questioning this narrative of course makes you "obviously racist" and trying to seek alternative explanations for African American suffering (broken families, gang membership and high levels of criminal participation, poor work ethic in school or labor force participation) gets you shouted down or worse.

            • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

              Sadly, that's a pretty good summary. Many people (not just blacks but LGBTQ, etc.) are attempting to cocoon themselves into a status of "permanent victimhood." This is why so many of these groups have a particularly unique vitriol against Asians, often classing them, along with the evil whites, as the "bad guys" in their narrative. Most Asians refuse to accept victimhood status and instead work their asses off to achieve a high status both in academia and the professional world. They are definitive proof th

            • So you're saying that institutional racism doesn't exist, or that it's okay because no one is "trying" to be racist?

              It must be acknowledged that "micro-aggression" is an extremely stupid word. However, if you don't think it refers to a real phenomenon, we can only ascribe that to inexperience.

              We have to thank you for including "black people are lazy" in your list there. It certainly lets us know where you stand.

              • by swb ( 14022 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:58PM (#55285015)

                In order to keep the narrative of white racism alive, "activists" keep turning to more and more ephemeral forms of racism, most of which require no conscious action at all on the part of whites. Conveniently, whites can not refute these racist acts nor can they really change, they can only *atone* for their inherent racism. Racism has become a kind of secular "original sin" -- an inalienable state of being for which they may only pay penance.

                Unfortunately as more and more non-white ethnic groups immigrate and rise within the United States, it's becoming apparent that the "race problem" isn't "white racism" as broad, whites vs. nonwhites phenomenon, but is instead something more like "Why can't blacks succeed when others have?"

                And the laundry list of others is pretty long -- Latinos, many of whom *don't even speak English*, have managed to thrive in the United States. The Hmong, living like it was the sometime before the 19th century managed to get ripped out of their own country by the US war machine and resettled to the prairies of the Midwest and thrived. The *Somalis* managed to escape a live-action version of "The Road Warrior" and thrive in Minneapolis, Minnesota, in spite of the obvious handicaps of negative sentiment towards Muslims *and* being African (inheriting existing negative sentiment towards American blacks).

                How have all of these groups managed to establish working communities not defined by broken families and crime despite substantial cultural obstacles in mere decades or less while native African Americans continue to fail? Surely at some point we can start to talk about problems inherent to and unique to African American communities which cannot be blamed on "racism".

        • It's relative.

          In the US, the "radical left" means people who call for universal government-provided healthcare, a strictly progressive tax scheme in which those with the most income pay the highest proportion of it in taxes, and a well-funded system of universal education under direct government administration.

          Here in Europe, we call those people 'centrists.'

          In works the other way too: Those who are on the center-right in the US would be seen as a radical fringe in Europe. They support such ridiculous ideas

          • "In the US, the "radical left" means people who call for universal government-provided healthcare, a strictly progressive tax scheme in which those with the most income pay the highest proportion of it in taxes, and a well-funded system of universal education under direct government administration."

            you'd think christians would take this way as confirmation of being a christian, shame they don't practise what they preach.
          • by epyT-R ( 613989 )

            It's relative.

            In the EU, radical right means people who want minimal interference in their lives, the right to speak their minds, defend themselves, and the right to keep most of what they have earned.

            Here in America, we used to call these people 'average americans.' Now, they're labeled 'conservative' by progressives masquerading as 'liberals' (another term tainted to the point of uselessness).

            It works the other way too: Those who are on the center-left in the EU would be seen as a borderline communist fri

            • I deliberately phrased my descriptions from a European perspective to highlight how American politics as viewed by someone on the outside. A touch of hyperbole seemed appropriate.

              • by epyT-R ( 613989 )

                I deliberately phrased my descriptions from an American perspective to highlight how European politics as viewed by someone from the outside. A touch of hyperbole seemed appropriate.

  • by Lordpidey ( 942444 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:34PM (#55281269) Homepage
    Right now the site seems to have no way to create forums (The equivelant of a subreddit), this concerns me, as if conversations are to be sequestered to an appropriate forum, then certain viewpoints can be silenced simply by not having an appropriate forum, turning the site into a large echo chamber.
    • turning the site into a large echo chamber.

      *walks into newly constructed giant echo chamber*

      You know what the problem is with this place? It's a giant echo chamber!

      *walks out of giant echo chamber as people stare after him*

    • by elrous0 ( 869638 )

      Yeah, but it's the perfect forum for everyone to sit around and agree with one another all day.

    • That may be by design...either you're alt-left, or you don't join.

    • by Trogre ( 513942 )

      I think you've just summed up the far left pretty well there.

    • ...turning the site into a large echo chamber.

      So... Like Reddit?
  • by Snotnose ( 212196 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:35PM (#55281279)
    It's FOSS, good for you. Hopefully your site won't exist in a year but if it does, good on you.

    I'm not afraid of opposing ideas. I'm afraid of people afraid of opposing ideas.
  • Good for them. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:43PM (#55281321)

    Listen - I may not agree with them on every position - and may even see them as harmful to some of their own goals... but I do see them as a somewhat helpful kind of crazy.

    Why? Because for the past generation or so, we really haven't had any real forces of extreme leftwing pushing anything in the US. Not that this is a bad thing on it's own, mind you - but compared to the insanity of an extreme right wing pushing every button on every part of the societal machine, it's actually destabilizing to have the left version largely missing for so long.

    Now, I certainly hear an opposing idea just while I'm typing this - that we have Democrats or college campuses, or something - and if you think of that as extreme left wing, you have no idea how the rest of the world thinks.

    Without an extreme to exist as a philosophical sounding board, or as a 'wall' of what's too extreme to bounce against, the left of today in the US is largely crippled in culture - and obsessed with minor points of political correctness/friendiness to business, rather than actually tying to advance a real agenda of change.

    I'd actually LIKE to have a crazy left to actually exist out there, willing to be grumbled about and dismissed. I'd like to have something Michael Moore can say "Geesh - those loonie lefties", then make a point that plots a 'sensible middle ground', rather than having nationalized healthcare like many modern democracies seem like some loony idea by reflexive 'moderate' idealists.

    So go, you crazy folks - be extreme and let me disagree with you. It's cool with me.

  • by Wuhao ( 471511 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:51PM (#55281359)

    It's all well and good to make another site, but let's be honest: reddit does about as good a job as anyone is going to do with a centralized discussion service. The only possible way to improve it is to create a decentralized alternative.

  • Fools (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:58PM (#55281391)

    >"We have no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone

    Two things will happen if the site survives a significant length of time:

    1) Whoever is funding it will become a dictator, deleting posts and banning posters with whom they disagree, without admitting they're doing it and in fact doing their best to keep the fact a secret.

    2) When the money runs out, they'll convince themselves that 'just a little bit of advertising is OK', and slowly sell out.

    • by Marful ( 861873 )
      Wish I had mod points to mod you as "Insightful"...
    • The claims of "no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone" is unverifiable and possibly already untrue. It's not wise to put much stock in such claims. This is one of the problems of the modern website: even altruistic admins who want to set up a valuable service that genuinely does not advertise to user, track users, profile users, collect data, or share data about users can't be trusted. StartPage.com and Ixquick.com are websearch sites run by the same o

  • You have to be pretty fucking horrible to be a leftist and banned from Reddit.

    On the flip side all you have to do is question the status quo and you can be banned if you're not drinking the lefty kool-aid.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:11PM (#55281443)

    Then what's left on Reddit?

  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:14PM (#55281451)

    Yeah, that's just what we need now.

  • Gosh, I wonder what it's like when anyone to the left of Mao looks like a right-winger to you. You have to be pretty seriously gone for Reddit to look like a nest of conservative snakes. But here we are.
  • Just what is a radical leftist? Additionally, what differentiates a radical leftist from a radical rightest? Does the radical mean you act on your beliefs instead of just espousing them?

    • Radical used to mean you fly planes into buildings. Now radical means you light a trashcan on fire or throw a bike rack through a window.
      • by RedK ( 112790 )

        Both are actually good examples of radicals. We could simply sum it up with "Radicals are people that resort to violence to solve disagreements" though even that mostly ignores pacifists who are radical in their ideology ("Healthcare must be free and paid for by the government for all living organism in the universe" would be a radical position for instance).

        Depends if you think radical is a synonym for extremist or absolutist, or if you want radical to stand on its own.

        • > We could simply sum it up with "Radicals are people that resort to violence to solve disagreements".

          That definition has some difficulty with its broadness. It includes the homeowner who shot down the drone over his private property. It also includes the Allied military freeing the Holocaust victims at Dachau. It also includes divorced people who murder their former spouses.

    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      >> Just what is a radical leftist?
      Same as a radical rightist, (other than political agenda). Those that attempt to silence anyone with views that don't exactly mirror their own.

      >> what differentiates a radical leftist from a radical (sic) rightest?
      Political alignment/agenda, that's all.

      >> Does the radical mean you act on your beliefs instead of just espousing them?
      No, because everyone acts on their beliefs at some level.

  • Voat? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Khyber ( 864651 ) <techkitsune@gmail.com> on Saturday September 30, 2017 @12:09AM (#55281769) Homepage Journal

    So, I'm guessing Voat wouldn't have them, either? That alone should probably tell you most of these people are fuckwits of the highest order in the first place.

  • It's anyone expressing skepticism about "prolitariate of all counties unite" who has to worry about their jobs, web hosting and physical safety. Being a socially centrist libertarian or a 90s Democrat seems sufficient to prove wrath of the revolutionaries.

    • It's anyone expressing skepticism about "prolitariate of all counties unite" who has to worry about their jobs, web hosting and physical safety.

      That's absolute utter rot.

  • by Max_W ( 812974 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:57AM (#55282273)
    In the beginning of the 20th century the leftists were literally banned. Such figures as Stalin, Trotsky, etc. were stuck in prisons or penal servitude hopelessly. Nevertheless they resurfaced with a bang.

    Even though nowadays those leftists may look ridiculous, in certain conditions such as a massive war, division of society into poor and rich, widespread homelessness, famine, etc. these ideas may again attract a public attention.

    At least, the history demonstrates that it is a realistic possibility. Besides, it is proven already that the overeating causes health problems, spending time in a luxurious house as opposite to hiking, running at a stadium, etc. is also problematic. So, perhaps, an investment in helping people in need could be a good insurance against losing everything.
  • by edgedmurasame ( 633861 ) on Saturday September 30, 2017 @08:19AM (#55282911) Homepage Journal

    "To me, the biggest problem with Reddit is how its administrators ignore the routine harassment and witch-hunts of marginalized people that takes place, with r/The_Donald being the most prominent example,"

    Never mind that Reddit has done a lot to silence that (and other non-leftist) community under that exact excuse. After they dealt with the Violentacrez incident, they went from a user-driven site to an admin-driven site with highly-left leanings.

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