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Russia Behind Cyber-attack, Says Ukraine's Security Service (bbc.com) 88

Ukraine says it has discovered who the perpetrators of last week's destructive ransomware attack are. From a report: Ukraine says it has proof that Russian security services were involved in the cyber-attack that targeted businesses around the world last week. The country's security service, the SBU, said it had obtained data that points to a link with an attack on the nation's capital, Kiev, in December. Ukrainian firms were among the first to report issues with malicious software on Tuesday, before the virus spread. Moscow denied any involvement, adding that the allegations were "unfounded". The virus, which disrupted IT systems across the globe, froze computers and demanded a ransom be paid in the digital currency Bitcoin, which is untraceable. Further reading: The Petya Ransomware Is Starting To Look Like a Cyberattack in Disguise.
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Russia Behind Cyber-attack, Says Ukraine's Security Service

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  • by Zemran ( 3101 ) on Monday July 03, 2017 @11:58AM (#54735877) Homepage Journal
    1. Wait for something bad to happen. 2. Blame it on Russia. 3. Ask the US for money.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      4. ??? 5. Blame DPRK.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        6. Wait for Slashdot to remind everyone that EternalBlue was developed, and lost, by the NSA.

    • Your accusation is no more credible than anything anyone else has had to say, official or unofficial, and it's not like Vladamir Putin is such a saintly human being to start with that it's not plausible he and his forces are behind this and is being wrongly accused out of convenience. Of course if you have some verifiable intel on this and other recent events then please do present it here and CC it to the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the DoD, but otherwise don't expect us to take you and your random opinions any mor
      • by king neckbeard ( 1801738 ) on Monday July 03, 2017 @12:26PM (#54736063)
        This is in line with Russia's motives, but lying and blaming Russia is also in line with Ukraine's motives, particular if they are wanting US backing. This, neither claim should be trusted until we can see sufficient evidence.
      • http://www.npr.org/2016/10/11/... [npr.org] There is a lot more than just this but I'm at work. Anyway even this is a waste of time because it wouldn't matter. Even the fact that Putin himself claimed that it may have been "loyalist Russian hackers" couldn't convince you that Russia was involved so I'm sure that pages of evidence would make no difference.
        • You seem to be mis-reading me, which I'm becoming convinced is such a common error on the Internet that it's no wonder everyone screams at each other all the time.
          I, personally, DO think that Putin/Russia is involved in all sorts of things, NOT JUST meddling in our 2016 Presidential election. But it's kind of hard to be heard over an angry mob of 150,000,000 people who think that everything that doesn't fit neatly into their world-view is 'fake news', and who likely think that even Senate investigations in
          • by Anonymous Coward

            The way the Senate investigations are so far only investigating things that are not a crime. It is not a crime for American's to talk to the Russians. Everything they are investigating happened when Trump and those close to him were private US citizens and not government officials. So far the entire investigation has produced only vague innuendo with no evidential proof of a crime. Everyone involved in the investigations have already acknowledged that there is no evidence of vote tampering during the electi

            • Lack of evidence could very well mean that Russias operatives were top-notch and did their job well; a top-notch theif leaves no trace, and a top-notch killer leaves no forensic evidence to link him to killings; top-notch cyber-operatives would be slick enough to not leave evidence, or leave false trails to mislead investigations. It's much easier to do than if it was physical evidence. Regardless you don't just ignore the whole thing and pretend none of it happened. If anyone is messing with our elections
          • Hmm.. Well personally I'm not trying to push a liberal or conservative agenda at all. The first most important thing to understand is that Russian meddling is not pro conservative or liberal. It's all about destabilization. Helping Trump is far less important to them as was the destabilizating rhetoric that they could push onto the American public.
            • Agree wholeheartedly; congratulations, you Get It. Trump is just a side-effect of a longer-term game plan. Unfortunately it's about as much fun for U.S. as a colonoscopy sans anaesthetic.
    • The US is already setting the Ukraine up with a distribution deal for US natural gas so they are going to be just fine financially. Russia has already annexed part of their country or did you forget that they don't need to convince us that Russia is hostile to them. If you are so willing to blind yourself to any external threat just because it disagrees with your political views I have very little hope that we will survive this.
    • 1. Wait for something bad to happen. 2. Blame it on Russia. 3. Ask the US for money.

      Well, let's see.
      1. Russia and Ukraine are essentially at war.
      2. Russia is one of the most capable countries when it comes to electronic espionage.
      3. Russia has already been waging this campaign against Ukraine for years now. See Andy Greenberg's recent Wired article [wired.com]. The intrusions are well-documented.

      • by tinkerton ( 199273 ) on Monday July 03, 2017 @04:19PM (#54738011)

        The article's central message is plausible: Russia running a cyberwar against Ukraine and at the same time trying to build up knowhow. But at the same time the author knows that he can write anything about Russia and it will be believed. At the same time the story is part of a large anti-Russia and anti Trump campaign.

          I don't keep track so I don't have a lot of links ready but I know the news about a russian cyberattack on US powerplant was bogus. Russian hacking of DNC was bogus.Russian-Trump links are bogus. Russian hacking of french elections was bogus. But these debunkings only come through very slowly. On the other side there is a barrage of claims that is so overwhelming nobody can begin to debunk them.

        And I see good reasons why the democrats and the military industrical complex prefer to have high tensions with Russia and why they want to blame Russia for the failed elections. And I see why the press goes along with it.

        And I think that whatever Russia is doing(a lot less than claimed, but certainly a lot of business as usual nasty stuff) it's a good idea to improve the ties with them rather than deteriorate them. That is my opinion about policy. That it's in the west's interest. I also think they're open for chances for improvement , at least as long as Putin is there.

        But look at this thread. It's almost unanimous against Russia. Any outsider looking here without any knowledge of the situation would know, this is bad. It means no good thinking will come out of it.(there's more reasons for that though). It also means propaganda is still very effective here and now.

        So the article of the topic here may have a good degree of truth, but it's all part of an anti-russian frenzy which I think is a very bad idea.

        Here's a new link about a lot of the hacking stories. It covers quite some ground. I'd have to dig for the rest. The ones I mentioned are some I'm pretty certain of although one can debate how convincing the proof is.
        https://consortiumnews.com/201... [consortiumnews.com]

        I didn't discuss Trump. I'd like to get rid of him but I'm convinced the current campaign to link him to Russia is extremely dishonest. He's right about that. Maybe he'll go down because in his efforts to stop them he'll do something very illegal. Or maybe he'll stay in power because he made the right friends. The Saudis and the weapons manufacturers for instance. Then all that the anti Russia campaign will have achieved is to give us the worst of both worlds. Thanks for cooperating everyone.

        • it's a good idea to improve the ties with them rather than deteriorate them. That is my opinion about policy. That it's in the west's interest. I also think they're open for chances for improvement , at least as long as Putin is there.

          Yes.

          But look at this thread. It's almost unanimous against Russia.

          It's not anti-Russia, it's anti-Trump. Russia is just the latest proxy for the true target of their wrath, which is the orange guy. They don't actually care about Russia at all.

          • I could go along with that but narratives feed on each other. Russia IS the new bad guy again. Take away Trump and the Russia scare won't go away, and vice versa.
            One reason Trump ran into a lot of resistance was because he was not interested in maintaining North Korea and Russia as enemies. By now any attempt at getting along with them amounts to treason, or proof he's been a stooge all along.
            A reason Trump may survive is that he can be flexible in such things. If he just follows the money he may survive.

            • Take away Trump and the Russia scare won't go away, and vice versa.

              The Russia scare won't go away as long as it's perceived to be effective in winning votes.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Putinbots army in 3... 2... 1...

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      +2 insightful for that?? This is what happens when you give retards mod points. Way to go, losers, you've completely trashed the moderation system on this board, requiring people to browse at -1 and ignore the moderation system entirely. If that was your goal, bravo, I guess.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Ah yes, the "everyone who doesn't agree with me is part of an evil agenda" argument. (Captcha: coexists)

  • Whatever it was, that Petya thing hit bunch of Russian companies as well. For example, it hit Russia's top oil providers Rosneft and Bashneft. Some of them suffered quite a bit. Invitro, a nationwide network of private medical laboratories, temporarily ceased samples collection due to the cyberattack.
  • Russia Behind Cyber-attack, Says Ukraine's Security Service

    I think it's premature to jump to such conclusions since we know that our very own CIA has also been implicated...

    Vault 7 [wikileaks.org] and more. [wired.com]

  • Of course Ukraine would say that. No matter it's true or not. Because that hurts Russia and that what Ukraine wants now

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