French Politician Uses Hologram To Hold Meetings In Two Cities At the Same Time (reuters.com) 101
neutrino38 writes: The French presidential election is approaching fast. One of the candidates, Jean-Luc Melenchon, used a hologram to hold two public meetings at once. With a political program that is mostly socialist and very left leaning, some people pointed out that he used private innovation to stand out from the crowd. Reuters notes that this is "not the first politician to employ such technology," adding that "in 2014, then-Turkish prime minister Tayyip Erdogan used a huge hologram of himself to attract wider support, while India's Narendra Modi trounced the opposition with a campaign that included holograms of his speeches in villages across the country." You can watch part of one of Melenchon's virtual meetings here.
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some people pointed out that he used private innovation to stand out from the crowd.
Somebody please explain the significance of selected statement here. Does being a candidate of the Socialist Party mean that one should be coy like a little princess? Isn't that equivalent to using alien technology for a politician?
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North Korea is run by a despotic autocrat and the DDR was run by Stalinist bureacracy, They are not directly comparable to each other let alone being communist. Communism being a socioeconomic order based upon the principles common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,and the state - not a massive all pervasive state bureaucracy.
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They are both directly comparable to communism because every nominally "communist" revolution ends up a brutal dictatorship. Communism works great when its about the size of a large farm and everyone there participate voluntarily. Larger than that and, well, More's Utopia pretty much nailed it hundreds of years before Marx was born.
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This guy is a communist.
How do you define communism? He does not advocate dictatorship of the proletariat or collectivization of the whole economy. IMO that rules him out as a communist
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More similar to Lepen. In fact they are close on many subjects, Lepen being extreme right and Melenchon being extreme left.
Nope.
To coin it simply : beyond Le Pen on the right side there is... nothing. No other party. So, technically Le Pen is indeed extreme right. Yet the main reason why to tag Le Pen "extreme right" is its fundamental views : ethnic, xenophobic, anti-semitic influences, islamophobic, rather incompetent regarding public policies. These points will be vehemently disputed by this party and Marine Le Pen worked hard to soften the picture. Yet, fundamentally it is correct to state it is extreme-right : it is conceptually and historically. It is also little known yet well analysed this party actually picked-up many political concept from left movement. Yep : you see it is the other way around, Front National try to look acceptable and credible by diverting ideas from the left. Nice tactic isn't it ?! Classic.
Mélenchon (his movement is currently named "La France Insoumise" or FI or Greek symbol Phi) is a all together different story. Many have a strong interest into shaping this politician as an "extremist" : it would so much easier to discredit him. Yet he is not. At all. That would be as bold as stating Berni Sanders is a dangerous extreme left. Bold and... incorrect. Indeed he severely questions EU and globalisation as also do some... centre party, not only extreme right. That does not make him extreme.
First item : beyond Mélenchon on the left side in France one can find at least 2 groups : NPA (Nouveau Parti Anti-capitalist) and LO (Lute Ouvrière). So, simply put : no Mélenchon is technically NOT extreme left. Second and more important item : these two party (NPA and LO) are anti-republican (they do not believe in the concept of Republic as a collective type of organisation). They promote armed revolution. Their view is very much labour-class centric. These party (NPA & LO) are technically and conceptually really extreme left. On the other hand Mélenchon promotes an "extreme-republic" (his words) view. He calls for pacific drastic changes in the form of a 6th republic. He cares not only for the labour-class but more importantly for the human-class : the one that is being shredded by necro-liberalism and environmental lunatics. He for example explicitly calls for legalisation on long-term-illegal-workers. He is not maniac about Muslims or other religions (He calls for a clear state-church split. He thinks citizen should believe what they want at home and at church. (He also stresses in France more than 50% is agnostic or atheist)). And so on...
So Dude wake up ! You may not like Mélenchon or left or far-left or or extreme-left or socialists or your auntie or you name it : fair enough. Yet, you cannot just go banana and disseminate random idiocies. I also notice that for me to give a little context, it takes... this. While for you to libel it is as easy as a one-liner idiocy. This is classic malevolent rhetorical technique : dump a crap-load and force your opponent to waist energy and time on the clean-up. Did that for you.
Sorry, I don't buy your bullshit.
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Anonymous users of 4chan's /pol/ board are currently trying to influence the French election and get the far right candidate elected. [buzzfeed.com] Since most of them don't speak French they are asking French users to help write their copy/paste shitposts so that they can then pull their standard sockpuppet attack on social media.
It's hard to say how effective they are, but it's also quite worrying. They really have studied that leaked GCHQ guide to social media manipulation well. Hopefully as people get wise to memes an
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Links to buzzfeed, and then laments fake news. Awesome.
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Can you back that claim? Because on the other side of the spectrum, Mélenchon has also been criticised for openly praising the achievements of the Dassault companies, for instance, such as their CAD software CATIA (source: http://gauche.blog.lemonde.fr/... [lemonde.fr])
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This guy is closer to communist than socialist.To put the thing in perspective, he is hanging around telling that big tech corporation are evil on Earth and he wants to tax robots.
Since pretty much everything is taxed, why wouldn't robots also be taxed also? This argument isn't a very good one...
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I don't get this either. What does a hologram really add here vs. normal people holding a gotomeeting/webex/whatever over 3 different continents regularly?
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Holograms get press attention.
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Honestly, your post should probably be more 'insightful' than funny....
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If they can convince people that it's 90% as good as being there, they can get 190% as much effect from a single speech. It's not just what they say, it's that people go there and meet other like-minded people and become motivated to campaign on his behalf.
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Does being a candidate of the Socialist Party mean that one should be coy like a little princess?
Please help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
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You have survivor bias. An extreme candidate without such an advantage loses and is forgotten. You should also look at the /. story today about how the Brexit vote and Trump used psychometric profiles for similar "new technologies make unexpected outcomes happen".
That said, I know nothing about this candidate, and have no reason to believe (or disbelieve) he is an extremist.
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He's far left by American standards, but just regular left by French ones.
The far-left in France is occupied by communists, and those called "socialists" in France (and Europe generally) like this guy or the current president, aren't what Americans call socialists.
So to
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You should also look at the /. story today about how the Brexit vote and Trump used psychometric profiles for similar "new technologies make unexpected outcomes happen".
Which story was that? Not sarcastic, that actually sounds interesting but I can't find it.
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Funny how political extremists always seem to be the first to embrace new technologies to further their agendas. Hitler for example used the latest magnetic tape recording technology of his days to appear as if he was doing live broadcast in a city while he was in another.
Yes, and Trump uses Twitter to redefine reality in a way never seen before. There's definitely a pattern going on there. OMG!! That means Trump must be a Socialist!!
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Yeh, yeh, we get it. Americans don't like sharing.
Left and Right are big (Score:1)
Who else used holograms? (Score:5, Funny)
Has anyone ever seen this guy and Palpatine in the same room together?
Loves me some Sharon Apple (Score:1)
Oops, you did mention Hatsune Miku (Score:1)
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Typo (Score:2)
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What the hell is copie/pâte?
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This is /.
Call me when they will finally figure out UTF8 encoding.
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The most transparent candidate ever (Score:2, Funny)
In his holographic speech, he promised to be the most transparent candidate ever!
Just kidding, he's a socialist - he promised to send guys with guns to take all your shit, unless you send it to him first.
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To an American conservative "Socialist" means all the worst parts about the USSR combined with anything they don't like. Actual socialism as practiced in Europe has nothing to do with it. They couldn't describe it even slightly accurately, because that would require genuine knowledge of the subject.
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The thing is, politically, does it matter that he employed this technology? Does this bit of spectacle make his political positions any more valid or attractive? It shouldn't, because that would be incredibly shallow and superficial. It's just flash and bling. People are too easily mesmerized by shiny things. But then again, it works for Hollywood celebrities, so maybe he's on to something.
And the Celebrity Apprentice (Score:2)
> t's just flash and bling. But then again, it works for Hollywood celebrities
Flash and bling worked out pretty well for the Celebrity Apprentice too. :)
I've noticed that it's very difficult to predict how well a candidate will do once after are elected and become president or whatever. Candidates that look pretty good turn out to be ineffective leaders, candidates that seem unqualified sometimes turn out to be very effective. I hope that pattern repeats in US.
Pepper's Ghost (Score:4, Informative)
Can we go easy on the word 'Hologram'? This is likely a pepper's ghost effect; as is 90%+ of what's being called a 'hologram' these days.
It's a neat effect, and the Reuters image reveals a great reference for the setup (particularly interesting lighting rig), but lets reserve the h word for real examples of the phenomenon.
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Pepper's Ghost easily allows other "real" actors on stage at the same time. Its just an angled piece of glass (that you can easily see the frame for in the video) that reflects an image from below the stage. On-stage actors are visible in front of, or behind the glass, with perspective tricks used to make them line up.
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There's nothing holographic about it. It's a reflection. The image is not 3D; it's flat.
That's it! (Score:1)
When the technological revolution is here to serve the communist revolution...
Frickin' soviets...
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Socialism attempts to provide universal poverty, except for those holding the reigns of power. Granted, that's not what socialism claims to provide, but I thought you lefty's were ever-so-adept at picking out lies in advertising.
As regards medical care, there are 3 choices. You can save your own money, and have 100% of it to pay for your medical expenses. You can buy insurance, and the company will rake off at least 30%, leaving you with 70% to pay your medical expenses, averaged over the population. You ca
Not a hologram (Score:5, Insightful)
As best as I can tell (TFA is devoid of details), this is a glorified version of the system used at Hatsune Miku" concerts [youtube.com] - a simple rear projection onto a glass screen. A slightly more sophisticated version uses multiple cameras surrounding the person whose image is being broadcast, and switches between them depending on where the observer camera is positioned [cnn.com]. That creates the illusion that the observer can move around the image in 3D, but the illusion only works for the observer being tracked. Anyone else sees a 2D image which rotates depending on where the designated observer moves, not based on where they themselves move.
A true hologram is not conveyed as an image. It is conveyed as an interference pattern created by taking a Fourier transform of a 3D light field. When you take another Fourier transform of that interference pattern (e.g. shine onto it coherent light equivalent to the light that originally created the pattern), it reconstructs the original 3D light field - a hologram.
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That was the capture stage.
There was no interference pattern from coherent light.
Watch the last two seconds of that video. It was a flat, front projection onto glass. Nothing more.
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A true hologram is produced by recording (and then illuminating) the interference pattern created by coherent light interacting with an object.
In the vernacular, however, the word "hologram" is used to describe any planar or volumetric "image" that is projected onto "empty space" (where "empty space" is anything that is sufficiently insubstantial, like air, a cloud of water droplets, or even a really really clean pane of glass that you almost can't tell is there).
You're technically correct (the best kind of
India too? (Score:2)
India's Narendra Modi trounced the opposition with a campaign that included holograms of his speeches in villages across the country.
He did? I thought he ran a campaign that was high on constant texting to citizens everywhere, and during the time that he was banned from the US, he used video-conferencing to attend the places he was invited to, but this is the first time I'm reading about him in a hologram image
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The techniques used in this case have nothing to do with holography. It's a reflection of a flat projection.
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Holography vs. projection (Score:2, Interesting)
I hoped that this is technical web and the first comment will be about word 'holography' misuse. But all just arguing that some politicians use videocalls for whatever reason.
To clarify: These are not holograms. Hologram is a capture of light field in given plane. Such recording holds intensity of light (like classical photography) + Phase of the light wave. And yeah we are speking of capturing in units of nanometers per hologram element (like pixel). When reproduced, uniform coherent light (LASER apparentl
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He's probably saying it because, like me, he saw "the making of".
There was a detailed, graphical explanation of the method on French TV by the company doing it.
It was a back projection. No holography involved at all. "Abus de langage" as the French say.
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What are the odds (Score:2)
What are the odds that he claimed two lots of expenses?
"hologram" as in projection. (Score:2)
Not a hologram, It's simply projection onto a surface on the stage. Just like how Gorillaz does their live performances.
Notice how they made sure NO photos of the projection are shown....