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China Tells Trump Climate Change Isn't a Hoax it Invented (bloomberg.com) 302

China couldn't have invented global warming as a hoax to harm U.S. competitiveness because it was Donald Trump's Republican predecessors who started climate negotiations in the 1980s, China's Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said, according to a Bloomberg report. From the article:U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush supported the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in initiating global warming talks even before China knew that negotiations to cut pollution were starting, Liu told reporters at United Nations talks on Wednesday in Marrakech, Morocco. Ministers and government officials from almost 200 countries gathered in Marrakech this week are awaiting a decision by President-elect Trump on whether he'll pull the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement to tackle climate change. The tycoon tweeted in 2012 that the concept of global warming "was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." China's envoy rejected that view. "If you look at the history of climate change negotiations, actually it was initiated by the IPCC with the support of the Republicans during the Reagan and senior Bush administration during the late 1980s," Liu told reporters during an hour-long briefing.
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China Tells Trump Climate Change Isn't a Hoax it Invented

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  • ..and it starts (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:48PM (#53299447)

    History will record the middle of the second decade of the 21st century as the end of the US hegemony. And you know what? It's fine. Rome fell, but people still live in Italy.

    • Re:..and it starts (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:54PM (#53299503) Journal

      That skips over quite a bit of history where the people of the Italian peninsula went through a considerably nasty period as the Western Empire fell.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Agreed. Lots of nasty german tribes invaded from the north and caused big trouble. Ever wondered where the term "vandalism" comes from?

        • by Sique ( 173459 )
          From the 6th century historian John Malalas. He accused the Vandals, arianist christians, to have blindly destroyed everything of value when they sacked Rome in 455 AD. Interestingly though, John Malalas was a catholic christian, lived 100 years later, was thus no eye witness and badmouthed everyone not of catholic faith.
  • Climate change AND Trump!

    Get your popcorn ready!

    • Re:yes! (Score:5, Funny)

      by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:58PM (#53299551) Homepage Journal

      Get your popcorn ready!

      In a few years I expect to be able to toss the kernels on my driveway and watch them pop there.
      • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

        In a few years I expect to be able to toss the [corn] kernels on my driveway and watch them pop there.

        Don't need to wait, put them in your pocket with a Galaxy Note 7.

    • Re:yes! (Score:4, Funny)

      by H3lldr0p ( 40304 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:00PM (#53299571) Homepage

      Or we could sous vide a steak in our cars while we're at work.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Trump just needs to hold a press conference about SystemD now.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:51PM (#53299473)

    He makes up his own reality.

    • When pressured on it, he'll just say the same as usual "It was something I heard. People send me this stuff, maybe I take a quick look at it, I pass it along."
  • This 'historical evidence' thing is another scam exported by China to the world. Indeed they have many sweatshop factories where children are worked to death to produce 'historical evidence' to export to the US.

  • Logic? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nycsubway ( 79012 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:56PM (#53299527) Homepage

    Why is China trying to use logic with Trump. The media would play back the exact words or video of Trump saying something ridiculous, and he'd say "I didn't say that."

    But I appreciate China trying to be serious about it. Our new president certainly won't be.

    • Re:Logic? (Score:5, Funny)

      by DickBreath ( 207180 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:10PM (#53299701) Homepage
      Trump can simply build a wall around China.

      It will be a great, Great wall, I tell you. I promise.

      And we'll make the Mexico pay for it.

      Everyone who has ever seen one of my great walls has just loved it. Believe me. I know my great walls. Classy beautiful stuff.
      • Actually, China already has a Great Wall. Shouldn't they cede all territory north of that to Mongolia?
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Trump can simply build a wall around China.

        If Trump really believes climate change isn't real, then why is he building [politico.com] walls around [washingtonpost.com] his golf courses [theguardian.com]? (to be correct, he wants it around Ireland [nationalpost.com]).

        He should put his money where his mouth is and not do it. Hell, Ireland should say since it's not real, he doesn't need the wall. It's either real, and it's in his economic best interest to protect his properties, or it's not real as he claims, in which case he doesn't need the walls.

      • I met a traveler from the borderland
        Who said, "A vast unfinished concrete wall
        Stands in the desert. Near it, on the sand
        Half-sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
        And puckered lips, and sneer of cold command
        Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
        Which yet survive, stamped on these unpaid for things,
        Small hands that mocked them, and the sons that led;
        And on the concrete wall, these words appear:
        My name is President Trump, King of Flings,
        Look upon my Wall, Mexicans, and despair!
        Nothing beside re
    • by ugen ( 93902 )

      Chinese are too straightforward for this type of thinking. It is beyond them that someone may ignore basic facts and claim 2+2=5, and a large swathe of population would cheer on and support that claim.

    • Indeed.

      Are we sure that Trump and Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf [wikipedia.org] are not the same person? Has anyone seen them together?

  • When you live in a country that's so polluted you can't see your own hand in front of you.
    • Why would you think that the level of CO2 has any effect on the visual transparency of air?

      Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a colorless and odorless gas vital to life on Earth. Carbon dioxide [wikipedia.org]

      I know the air in Bejing China is frequently smoggy, but that is do to photo-chemical reactions to hydrocarbons emitted by motor vehicle, not CO2.

      • Because the smog in china is produced by the burning of fossil fuels, which also produces CO2.
  • One only has to... (Score:2, Informative)

    by sudden.zero ( 981475 )
    ...use one's eyes to know that climate change is real. When I was a kid, in the 80's, I normally had my coat, and gloves out by this time in November. Shoot we had at least 1 to 3 inches of snowfall by this time in November. Don't believe me then look here: https://www.currentresults.com... [currentresults.com] Then fast forward to 2016: there is no snow in sight, and it is 72 degrees currently in Overland Park, KS where I am. Don't tell me climate change doesn't exist. If you don't believe your senses then look at the great
    • by NetNed ( 955141 )
      Ah wasn't KS pounded with snow and cold temps 2 years ago LIKE THE REST OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY? But yeah, let's ignore that, the year before that too, where we had record cold across the nation. I am sure your need of a coat is much more accurate. All the money that was poured in to it and yet it's "still dire" every year does make your statement about not being able to do anything true, but it's a little concerning that more people don't see it as an outright scam. It's the same as a televangelists of the
      • And once again, weather is not climate, and regional climate is not global climate. Global warming means overall average temperatures rise, not that every single location on the planet is going to get hotter, or heat equally.

        But I suspect you know that, it's just all you can do in the face of insurmountable evidence is throw out moronic asides. It's really about making yourself feel better, isn't it?

  • "I'm not lying to you"?

    How is that any more or less authorative than the original statements they've made? It proves nothing. If they aren't hoaxing, they'd say the same thing as they would if they are hoaxing.

    • What they did give were some verifiable facts. If Trump were to bother to have someone investigate whether or not Republican legislators from his own party were the first to bring it up or not, instead of relying on random internet rumors, he'd have an actual piece of evidence he could use to make a decision with.

  • The only people... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Bartles ( 1198017 )

    ...that think republicans think that climate change is a hoax started by China are Democrats. This is ridiculous.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      THen WHY DID TRUMP SAY IT bartles. Comon, why did he say it, and dont be a trumpite and make me go find the video, he said it DURING THIS ELECTION CYCLE. We BOTH KNOW HE DID.


  • "If you look at the history of climate change negotiations, actually it was initiated by the IPCC with the support of the Republicans during the Reagan and senior Bush administration during the late 1980s,"

    So, unless my math is wrong, that puts the GOP on the right side of Climate Change fully ten years before Al Gore and the Democrats... I don't remember Al Gore giving the Reagan Administration for working on this ten years prior to his PPT deck, book, and movie "An Inconvienient Truth"...

    • by citylivin ( 1250770 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @05:42PM (#53300697)

      "So, unless my math is wrong, that puts the GOP on the right side of Climate Change fully ten years before Al Gore and the Democrats"

      I think you are confused because as much as i loathe reagan, conservatives used to believe in environmental protections. In fact i remember there being a broad consensus about the science of it in the 80s and 90s.

      Face it, the so called republican party in the USA simply does not stand for the same things it did 30 years ago. Things are leaning much more to the authoritarian, anti science and pro-ignorance right than probably even classical republicans are comfortable with.

      Very few countries have as much of a problem recognizing climate change as real as much as the USA seems to. It's probably going to be a very fascinating historical study, if we survive it. Most other countries at this point are capable of acknowledging AGW but then disagree over what to do about it. This includes conservatives in those countries. Outright denial though seems to be a purely american thing from what i have observed.

  • The coming Nuclear Winter will cancel out the Global Warming. Of course, you won't be around to appreciate it unless you live in an underground bunker.

  • Gyna (Score:4, Funny)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @05:11PM (#53300415) Journal

    This story is based on a liberal myth. In fact, Trump never said that "Climate change was a hoax invented by China". He said it was a hoax invented by Gyna. He was referring to Melanomia's body part, which speaks to him and has been known to spread pseudo-science, albeit in a Russian accent.

    It also told him that the solar system is heliocentric.

  • by mark_reh ( 2015546 ) on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:55PM (#53301295) Journal

    Objective truth is meaningless. The only facts that matter are political facts- what people can be made to believe. If objective truth forces itself to be recognized, you merely have to explain it the right way to diminish its importance. Perception is all there is.

I bet the human brain is a kludge. -- Marvin Minsky