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WikiLeaks Releases Paid Clinton Speech Excerpts, And Threatens To Expose Google (dailymail.co.uk) 756

An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes the Independent: Wikileaks has dumped thousands of emails from Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, which includes apparent excerpts from Ms Clinton's paid, closed-door speeches to Wall Street executives after leaving her position as Secretary of State. In the excerpts, flagged in a 25 January email, Ms Clinton apparently suggested that Wall Street insiders were best qualified to regulate the banking industry and also included her apparent admission of the need for money from banking executives for political fundraising...

"Earlier today, the US government removed any reasonable doubt that the Kremlin has weaponized WikiLeaks to meddle in our election and benefit Donald Trump's candidacy," said Clinton campaign spokesperson Glen Caplin. "We are not going to confirm the authenticity of stolen documents released by Julian Assange who has made no secret of his desire to damage Hillary Clinton."
Slashdot reader schwit1 quotes the Daily Mail's article about what's coming up next: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange promised to release information on subjects including the U.S. election and Google [and] warned that the so called 'October Surprise' will expose Google. Assange did not reveal what type of information would be leaked about the tech giant, but his 2014 book could provide a clue. In it, he wrote: "(Eric) Schmidt's tenure as CEO saw Google integrate with the shadiest of U.S. power structures..."
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WikiLeaks Releases Paid Clinton Speech Excerpts, And Threatens To Expose Google

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  • Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @07:48PM (#53039195)

    These Wikileaks releases do seem pretty one-sided. Is it just a function of what they do and don't have (it's surprising they didn't have that Trump recording)? But it's hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental, given how it seems to happen soon after Trump either says something particularly stupid or we learn about something damning from his past. However it's not surprising there's lots of skeletons in either candidate's closet... but again, why doesn't Assange have any of Trump's?

    Problem is, from what I've seen over the past few months on Slashdot - it's obviously going to be hard to have a rational discussion on these questions here right now. People are way too ready to overlook their preferred candidate's foibles.

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @07:55PM (#53039207)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • As Trump himself said, he could shoot someone in 5th Ave and people would still vote for him. That's how ridiculous this election is.
        • by Gavagai80 ( 1275204 ) on Sunday October 09, 2016 @04:04AM (#53040879) Homepage

          People wouldn't just vote for him. They'd lavish praise on him for having the guts to cut through all the political correctness bullshit and liberal anti-gun oppression, and showing the nerve to just outright shoot someone. That's the kind of bold, inspired, no-nonsense leadership this country needs to cut through the corruption and change Washington.

          • Funny (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Xenna ( 37238 ) on Sunday October 09, 2016 @05:41AM (#53041055)

            Does anyone else find it worrying that the parent was voted 'interesting' instead of 'funny'?

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Isn't subverting the legal process and simply executing someone the kind of abuse it power and corruption he is supposed to stop? And if we are talking corruption, how about his cronyism?

            I honestly can't tell if you are mocking his supporters or one of them. Bravo, sir.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by elrous0 ( 869638 )

      quote>These Wikileaks releases do seem pretty one-sided.

      No worries. The mainstream media is already releasing every nasty thing on Trump they can dig up. Someone has to release nasty stuff on Hillary too, since it sure as shit isn't going to come from CNN.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        The only thing the media is guilty of is perpetrating the pretense that Trump had a chance, mainly because daily headlines that read "Trump still doomed" wouldn't sell papers. The GOP knew he couldn't win, many state Republicans knew he couldn't win, and yet he had this core of supporters that carried him through.

        Well now it's to the point where incumbent Republican senators need to save their own asses, so the time has come to cut him loose.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

          The only thing the media is guilty of is perpetrating the pretense that Trump had a chance

          And yet the polls had him twice neck and neck with Clinton. Trump's only problem is that he opens his mouth. They should have taken him offline and put him in a box 4 months ago and left him there till election day. He may even have won. Trumps popularity rises quite steadily until there's a minor scandal after which he tries to justify himself and spectacularly implodes as a result. Quite frankly the fact he closed the gap to Clinton twice already was a good indication that he really had a chance, a chance

      • Re:Interesting (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Gussington ( 4512999 ) on Sunday October 09, 2016 @01:54AM (#53040621)

        The mainstream media is already releasing every nasty thing on Trump they can dig up. Someone has to release nasty stuff on Hillary too, since it sure as shit isn't going to come from CNN.

        I keep hearing this phrase parroted about 'mainstream media' but what does that actually mean? Isn't Fox News the highest rating News in America? Therefore isn't Fox "the mainstream media"? I'm pretty sure they aren't sympathising with Hillary.
        If you think CNN is biased then fair enough, call CNN biased. But when you say mainstream media is just sounds like kooky tin foil hat stuff. It's like saying everyone else is crazy. If it seems like everyone else is crazy, then maybe, just maybe it's you who is the crazy one?

    • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Tesen ( 858022 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:02PM (#53039229)

      These Wikileaks releases do seem pretty one-sided. Is it just a function of what they do and don't have (it's surprising they didn't have that Trump recording)? But it's hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental, given how it seems to happen soon after Trump either says something particularly stupid or we learn about something damning from his past. However it's not surprising there's lots of skeletons in either candidate's closet... but again, why doesn't Assange have any of Trump's?

      Problem is, from what I've seen over the past few months on Slashdot - it's obviously going to be hard to have a rational discussion on these questions here right now. People are way too ready to overlook their preferred candidate's foibles.

      I find it interesting the connection between WikiLeaks and Russia add on top of that the business connections and announced respect that Donald Trump has for Putin. Yes, it could all be very coincidental and perhaps WikiLeaks / Russia is playing to the gaffes of Trump (and he keeps falling for it and fueling the fire, which is a problem in of it self). Add on his business history is less than stellar, the losses he has had, the very disgusting comments he has made about women, minorities etc and you get a very odd looking if not ugly looking picture.

      I hate to bring this election down to Hillary vs. Trump -- unfortunately at the presidential level that is it. 3rd parties at this point are not going to win the White House, but obtaining senate and house seats both at the federal and state levels is very possible. Gear up folks, spend the next couple of years finding indies that are not batshit crazy and lets try to change the system for us.

      • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

        by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @09:03PM (#53039499) Journal

        Gear up folks, spend the next couple of years finding indies that are not batshit crazy and lets try to change the system for us.

        I don't think independents are the answer you think they are. In any first-past-the-post election system, you will end up with a two-party system. Very occasionally, a third party will displace one of the majors, but then end up as the despised mainstream party.

        The only solution is to do what the Koch brothers have been doing for the last few decades: work to push the center of politics in the desired direction. If you don't like Clinton, support candidates like Sanders at the primaries.

        In several of the largest states (for example: CA, TX), the primaries are the only elections that matter.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by narf0708 ( 2751563 )

          In any first-past-the-post election system, you will end up with a two-party system. Very occasionally, a third party will displace one of the majors, but then end up as the despised mainstream party.

          Brazil, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, The Philippines, and several other countries with persistent multi-election multiple party systems would beg to disagree.

          • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Informative)

            by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @11:59PM (#53040249) Journal
            Let's see what Wikipedia has to say:

            Ireland: "While there are a number of political parties in the state, the political landscape has been dominated for decades by Fianna FÃil and Fine Gael, historically opposed and competing entities"

            Brazil: "Due to a mix of proportional voting (the only first-past-the-post elections are for the 1/3 of senate seats every 8 years and for mayors in small and medium-sized cities every 4 years), the lack of election threshold and the cultural aspects of Latin American caudillismo-coronelismo, party politics in Brazil tends to be highly fragmented.

            Denmark: "Of the 179 members of parliament, the Faroe Islands and Greenland elect two members each, 135 are elected from ten multi-member constituencies on a party list PR system using the d'Hondt method and the remaining 40 seats are allocated to ensure proportionality at a national level."

            Do I need to go on? Either they don't use a first-past-the-post voting system, or they are effectively 2-party states.

    • by physicsphairy ( 720718 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:10PM (#53039271)

      Wikileaks has obtained a list of Trump's most damaging electronic communications and compiled them her for public viewing: https://twitter.com/realDonald... [twitter.com]

    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      It's one thing collecting and holding onto a 15yo off-air audio tape from a third grade idiot on a second rate radio show vs. collecting and holding onto what our government and representatives did and said.

      The first thing is the job of the government and the second is the job of activists and collectors. Wait, I'm confused, no, that's right, the NSA does the first and we have to hack our own government to get any form of accountability.

    • Two-minute warning (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:14PM (#53039289) Homepage Journal

      We're coming up on the "2-minute warning" of the elections.

      It's when the parties take out the big guns (Republicans) and long knives (Democrats), hoping to get something into the collective consciousness before the election. It usually starts 3 weeks out, but this election has been particularly polarizing.

      This weekend has been particularly entertaining. Trump made some locker-room comments eleven years ago, which is causing everyone to grab their pearls and faint. People are falling over themselves pretending that it makes them "sick to their stomach"(*).

      Meanwhile, the wikileaks dump shows Clinton admitting a year ago that her "public policy" and "private policy" are different, how she wants world trade with completely open borders (after denying it publicly), and wants to institute gun control by executive order.

      And no one seems to have noticed that Trump has completely owned the media for the weekend up to this point!

      Seriously - count the number of Trump articles on Google's news page. He's playing them like a violin.

      The current headline reads: "GOP consumed by crisis" about Trump, and "Emails Reveal Clinton's Mixed Relationship With Wall Street" about Clinton.

      The next few weeks are going to be *highly* entertaining!

      (*) As far as I can tell, the general public has responded with "yeah - so what?" about the comments. Everyone seems to recognize that men talk dirty about women to each other, and women do the same about men. It makes all the media pundits who claim "makes me sick to my stomach" seem laughably disingenuous.

      • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:35PM (#53039371)

        My dream is that someone releases a tape of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump talking to each other about all the married women they've banged. It would be the perfect cherry on top of this whole fucking circus.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        And no one seems to have noticed that Trump has completely owned the media for the weekend up to this point!

        No, the news cycle has completely owned him, everybody noticed, and 14 sitting Republican senators have asked him to step aside. Further, Trump's 16-dimensional chess move stepped on the latest Wikileaks nothingburger (or the nothingburger was served to distract from Trumps implosion, I'm not sure of the timing).

        It also deprived Trump of a public appearance/reconciliation with House Speaker Ryan.

        I'm far more troubled by Trump's continuing belief in the guilt of 5 men exonerated of rape after years in priso

        • by meta-monkey ( 321000 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @10:37PM (#53039915) Journal

          A bunch of #NeverTrumpers said again "Never Trump." This isn't shocking. We don't have two political parties. We have a uniparty system that does whatever Wall Street and the military industrial complex want while the corporate owned media keep all the peasants fighting over fags and abortions. So Republicans denouncing Trump is hardly news. They're paid by the same people who pay for the DNC.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by PopeRatzo ( 965947 )

        And no one seems to have noticed that Trump has completely owned the media for the weekend up to this point!

        Yes, Trump is crushing that pussy, all right.

        http://projects.fivethirtyeigh... [fivethirtyeight.com]

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          Sure. Great site you linked, there.

          Here's one of their other articles:

          Hip-Hop Is Turning On Donald Trump. [fivethirtyeight.com]

          And another:

          Gun Deaths In America. [fivethirtyeight.com]

          Your sing-along with Hillary's media is a little pathetic. If you're in the bag with the Wall-Street candidate (Hillary Clinton) why not just say it out loud?

          • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Sunday October 09, 2016 @05:11AM (#53041007)

            Sure. Great site you linked, there.

            Are you discrediting a statistical analysis of the election run by a statistician [wikipedia.org] who is widely considered as the most referential and accurate source of election coverage in America, who has predicted correctly almost every seat in the previous 3 elections including swing states, based solely on a website owned by ESPN publishing an blog post written by someone else?

            * slow clap *

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by skam240 ( 789197 )

        Sorry "bro", the reason people are upset here isn't because of "locker room banter" it's because Trump is literally describing a lifestyle of sexual abuse.

      • As far as I can tell, the general public has responded with "yeah - so what?" about the comments. Everyone seems to recognize that men talk dirty about women to each other, and women do the same about men. It makes all the media pundits who claim "makes me sick to my stomach" seem laughably disingenuous.

        Really? Senior Republican's are deserting Trump, and even his running mate will no longer defend him. Are these people also mainstream media? Every single person I know has made comments about how revolting and unacceptable this is. Bragging about sexual assault is not even acceptable at frat boy level.
        You may caught in the Trump bubble, but for the majority of us outside of it, he will not gain any more support. Peak Trump arrived this weekend, The inevitable self-immolation has happened and the campaign

    • Re:Interesting (Score:4, Insightful)

      by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:41PM (#53039401)

      These Wikileaks releases do seem pretty one-sided. Is it just a function of what they do and don't have (it's surprising they didn't have that Trump recording)? But it's hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental, given how it seems to happen soon after Trump either says something particularly stupid or we learn about something damning from his past. However it's not surprising there's lots of skeletons in either candidate's closet... but again, why doesn't Assange have any of Trump's?

      Problem is, from what I've seen over the past few months on Slashdot - it's obviously going to be hard to have a rational discussion on these questions here right now. People are way too ready to overlook their preferred candidate's foibles.

      Part of it is the fact that Wikileaks is dependent on leakers. If someone gave them Trump's tax returns they'd probably post them, but no one has so they can't.

      As for the pro-Russia angle, I suspect Assange realizes that Russia is their source but he still needs the data. And since he's dependent on Russia for the leaks he's fairly amendable to their requests on how to release them.

      It may be a poor long term strategy though, the more Assange allows himself and Wikileaks to become associated with Trump and Russia the more other leakers will turn to alternate publishers.

      I am a bit surprised by the lack of actual bombshells in the Clinton/DNC leaks however. My first response to this leak in particular is to wonder why Clinton didn't release the transcripts in the first place.

    • Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)

      by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:58PM (#53039481) Journal

      But it's hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental, given how it seems to happen soon after Trump either says something particularly stupid or we learn about something damning from his past.

      Are you sure it isn't the other way around? Perhaps the Dems have a collection of things like the recent recording of Trump ready to go, to deflect the news from things like these leaks on Wikileaks? The old Trump recordings have pushed the Clinton emails out of the headlines. Coincidence?

    • But it's hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental, given how it seems to happen soon after Trump either says something particularly stupid or we learn about something damning from his past.

      Well that's right except the Wikileaks release came out a half an hour before the video.

      Other then that it is hard to believe the timing is completely coincidental. Especial when the guy Trump was talking to was Jeb Bush's cousin.

    • You're right, it's one sided:

      Donald:
      - has wikileaks on his side

      HRC
      - has FBI, NYT, every major paper, every major network, DNC, and GOP on her side

  • Shocking! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:07PM (#53039259)

    Hillary admits that campaigns are expensive "I wish it weren't so but I don't know how to change it" and therefore she will need campaign contributions to win! What a calling admission.

    And to also admit that maybe professionals who are experts in a field would be necessary to help regulate the industry! Next she is going to say that maybe a computer scientist or white hat hacker should help write cyber defense policy.

    • Re:Shocking! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by elrous0 ( 869638 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:42PM (#53039407)

      Don't be naive. Her statements were intended to send a clear message to the audience, "Give me money and I'll be your friend." It's the same scummy promise that has become the norm for the almost every politician running for office now--politicians who are SUPPOSED to represent the people, and not just a few narrow monied interests. And it has infected both parties like cancer.

  • by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:14PM (#53039287)

    I mean, by that logic, Slashdotters should be moderating Slashdot.

    Seriously though, regulators, like bosses, need to have experience in their industries. Every week we boo and hiss at clueless legislators coming in and trying to regulate the Internet or ban encryption or somesuch. The challenge is finding 'insiders' who can still see things in a broader perspective and aren't in the pocket of the people they're supposed to be regulating (a.k.a. regulatory capture [wikipedia.org]). They're tough to find, but if you look hard enough you can find good people like Tom Wheeler.

    I've read through some of the emails and so far I haven't found anything damning, just politically inconvenient truths. It's sad we've become so accustomed to pandering and sugar-coated soundbytes that when politicians actually speak honestly it leaves us sour.

    • I mean, by that logic, Slashdotters should be moderating Slashdot.

      Seriously though, regulators, like bosses, need to have experience in their industries. Every week we boo and hiss at clueless legislators coming in and trying to regulate the Internet or ban encryption or somesuch. The challenge is finding 'insiders' who can still see things in a broader perspective and aren't in the pocket of the people they're supposed to be regulating (a.k.a. regulatory capture [wikipedia.org]). They're tough to find, but if you look hard enough you can find good people like Tom Wheeler.

      I've read through some of the emails and so far I haven't found anything damning, just politically inconvenient truths. It's sad we've become so accustomed to pandering and sugar-coated soundbytes that when politicians actually speak honestly it leaves us sour.

      The problem is that the Democrats keep yelling about Republicans being the party of big business and all that, so this is supposedly a really big deal to them. Also, remember how they want to get corporate donations out of politics? I'm sure Lessig is just *furious* over this new information about the candidate that he'll vote for no matter what. Right? LOL! Yeah, right.

      It's the same way that the Republican base has been telling us for decades now that being a good, upstanding moral Christian is the fo

  • I find it interesting how the left seems to bestow a great deal of power on words alone while totally dismissing the power of actions.

  • Threatens? Is it some kind of blackmail? What Google could do to prevent WL an "exposition"? Or, more likely, WL will just expose Google in the near future.
  • Deflection (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jasenj1 ( 575309 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @08:34PM (#53039367)

    "Earlier today, the US government removed any reasonable doubt that the Kremlin has weaponized WikiLeaks to meddle in our election and benefit Donald Trump's candidacy," said Clinton campaign spokesperson Glen Caplin. "We are not going to confirm the authenticity of stolen documents released by Julian Assange who has made no secret of his desire to damage Hillary Clinton."

    Interpretation: It's all true, but the people revealing it are mean and want to hurt us so you should ignore whatever it is they've revealed. See ad hominem attack [yourlogicalfallacyis.com].

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday October 08, 2016 @09:11PM (#53039539)
    you haven't been paying attention. Hilary, like her Husband Bill, is economically conservative. This is what that means. I'll still vote for her because she's the most progressive candidate we've got. American is _filled_ with economic conservatives and they vote. As a progressive I live in that world and it's a world of compromises. Do I want more? Hell yeah. But I'm an adult. I'm old enough to know what a compromise is.
    • Do I want more? Hell yeah. But I'm an adult. I'm old enough to know what a compromise is.

      They say you have to pick your battles. But if you skip too many battles, it looks suspiciously like a retreat... or in this case, a rout.

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