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Romanian Hacker 'Guccifer' Sentenced To 52 Months In US Prison (reuters.com) 117

Romanian hacker "Guccifer" who targeted high-profile US politicians has been sentenced for 52 months in prison. Guccifer, whose real name is Marcel Lazar, pleaded guilty in May on charges of aggravated identity theft and unauthorized access of a computer. Lazar targeted former Secretary of State Colin Powell and the Bush family and was arrested on hacking charges in Romania in 2014 and was sentenced four years. He was extradited to the U.S. to face charges in March 2016. Reuters adds: Lazar has said in interviews he breached Clinton's private server at her home in Chappaqua, New York, but law enforcement and national security officials say that claim is meritless. Lazar is believed to have hacked into email accounts of about 100 victims between 2012 and 2014. They include prominent political figures such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a relative of former President George W. Bush and Sidney Blumenthal, a former Clinton White House aide and an unofficial adviser to Clinton. Clinton is now the Democratic nominee for president. Lazar leaked online memos Blumenthal sent Clinton that were addressed to her private email account, which was used during her time as secretary of state to conduct both personal and work business in lieu of a government account.
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Romanian Hacker 'Guccifer' Sentenced To 52 Months In US Prison

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Sieg Hill!

  • Nope?
    This guy did commit crimes. He also committed them against powerful people. It's not at all surprising he's going to be spending a fair bit of time in prison. The interesting part is more in regards to the extradition, and possibly that he didn't suffer an "accident" on his way to the US for trial.

    • by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:37PM (#52810713)

      Guccifer exposes Hillary's illegal email server and goes to jail for it.

      Hilary gets off Scott Free.

      BTW, Comey said "Leeeeave Hillary Alllloneeee" because there were more appropriate administrative punishments available.

      And? What were they? Were the ever applied?

      • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:52PM (#52810835) Homepage Journal

        Guccifer exposes Hillary's illegal email server and goes to jail for it.

        Hilary gets off Scott Free.

        BTW, Comey said "Leeeeave Hillary Alllloneeee" because there were more appropriate administrative punishments available.

        And? What were they? Were the ever applied?

        It's 'kinda worse than that.

        Hillary Clinton sent classified E-mails after leaving the state department [foxnews.com], after the FBI concluded its investigation more deleted E-mails turned up that they should have been given [thehill.com], even more E-mails turned up that should have matched the FBI search terms Hillary was given [thepoliticalinsider.com].

        (Also, Bill Clinton used tax dollars to subsidize the private E-mail server and pay for employees at the Clinton foundation [politico.com].)

        Looking at the media reports, things like Sigh. Yet Another Non-Scandal at the Clinton Foundation [motherjones.com] come up.

        Nothing to see here, no smoking gun. She wasn't indicted, so let's leave her alone.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          She wasn't indicted, so let's leave her alone.

          That's the price of 20 years of crying wolf, you get ignored.

          Or they can keep on passing around their death list if you want.

        • And you can't really trust the news to expose things. People like the Washington Post were too busy holding illicit fundraisers with the DNC.

          But you don't have to take my word for it.

          Source: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2699 [wikileaks.org]

          Re: WaPo Party

          From:kaplanj@dnc.org
          To: RangappaA@dnc.org
          Date: 2015-09-22 13:29
          Subject: Re: WaPo Party

          Great - we were never going to list since the lawyers told us we cannot do it.

          We are waiting

          Jordan Kaplan
          National Finance Director
          Democratic National Committee
          (202) 488-5002

        • It's 'kinda worse than that.

          Hillary Clinton sent classified E-mails after leaving the state department [foxnews.com]

          We already knew that Hillary was using her private email server for work, and that some of that information was classified.

          So what is the shocking new scandal? That the previous secretary of state emailed information to an official at the state department?

          , after the FBI concluded its investigation more deleted E-mails turned up that they should have been given [thehill.com], even more E-mails turned up that should have matched the FBI search terms Hillary was given [thepoliticalinsider.com].

          FTA,
          "At this time, we have not confirmed that the documents are, in fact, responsive, or whether they are duplicates of materials already provided to the Department by former Secretary Clinton in December 2014.”

          So yeah, gimmie a call when they find

          • by Cederic ( 9623 )

            I'm not clear what he should have done otherwise.

            Acted with ethics and integrity?

            Is it really too hard to use Government money for Government business and Foundation funds for Foundation work?

            • I'm not clear what he should have done otherwise.

              Acted with ethics and integrity?

              Is it really too hard to use Government money for Government business and Foundation funds for Foundation work?

              Did you read my post? That's exactly what he did.

              He just had them share resources because do to otherwise would be stupid and would waste money.

  • by BoberFett ( 127537 ) on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:27PM (#52810629)

    He may be guilty under our legal system, but as many people are starting to understand a legal system and a justice system are not the same thing. If we had a justice system, the Bushes and Clintons would be in prison and Guccifer would be free. People like this should be considered heroes for exposing the criminals that lay claim to positions of leadership. The legal (not justice) system that those criminal leaders have set up are designed to keep themselves wealthy and powerful, and people like Snowden and Guccifer threaten their wealth and power.

    • by DRJlaw ( 946416 ) on Thursday September 01, 2016 @06:43PM (#52811423)

      He may be guilty under our legal system, but as many people are starting to understand a legal system and a justice system are not the same thing. If we had a justice system, the Bushes and Clintons would be in prison and Guccifer would be free.

      Certainly, because the ends always justify the means. Hack your way in to discover evidence of crimes -- it's ok so long as they deserve to go to prison.

      "People like this should be considered heroes for exposing the criminals" says every U.S. TLA when deploying Stingrays, "Network Investigative Techniques," and other exploits against the very not wealthy and very not powerful.

      Yet what happens when they don't find evidence of a crime -- are they still guiltless? If some of the roughly 100 people Guccifer raided in his quest to expose were not themselves reasonably suspected of a crime, are they just acceptable collateral damage? When a TLA runs with this principle, are your fellow citizens just acceptable collateral damage?

      Sorry, I don't buy it.

      • Who watches the watchers? Who enforces the rules against the people who make the rules? The US has one of the largest percentages of its citizens in prison, yet our "leaders" get away with just about anything. And you want to talk about fairness?

        Cry me a river.

        • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

          Who watches the watchers?

          Well, nobody appointed Guccifer, or you.

          I don't have to cry you a river; I'll cheer them locking up vigilantes and, as a bonus, probably piss you off.

          • Cheer away if it makes you feel better as this country falls into obsolescence as all empires do.

            • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

              Really, you logged in three days later to drop that pearl of wisdom? Vigilante hackers aren't any sort of solution. And halfhearted attempts to link them to prophecies of societal decay in the indefinite future do not constitute a justification.

    • by ADRA ( 37398 )

      I don't believe criminal trespass on IT systems will ever be considered legal. Otherwise, what stops the police/NSA from legally hacking everyone's computers, reading everything, finding illegal content then prosecuting after the fact? Oh right, that's still technically illegal, even for them, even in your tin foil hat brandishing lunacy. So can you please just drop your rhetoric?

  • I believe this is the first time I've every heard of "aggravated" identity theft. Did he have a knife in his hand while doing this? Of course being the person he targeted, I'm surprised he didn't get charged with "aggravated attempted assassination" and "1st degree capital fraud".
  • Lesson here is (Score:5, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday September 01, 2016 @04:41PM (#52810749) Homepage Journal

    Don't mess with powerful people.

    • by meglon ( 1001833 )
      Normal people might thing the lesson here is: "don't be a criminal," or maybe even "do the crime, do the time."
      • Sometimes "crimes" are defined to be crimes even if they are not unethical, usually this is done to protect special interests.

        Is political transparency in the interest of the general populous? If not, then I guess it was a serious crime. Let's execute him just to be sure.

        • by meglon ( 1001833 )
          He hacked a number of other peoples computers. It's a crime. It is unethical. You false equivalency of his jail sentence and being executed tells me you're just a fucking idiot. Are you a fucking criminal too? Is that the problem?
          • The flippancy of my statement is not the same as a formal debate. Which is good, because your ad hominem isn't terribly endearing either.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Don't mess with powerful people.

      To be fair, he only got 4 years in prison. He'll be out in 3 as they need the room for the really dangerous criminals, like copyright infringers.

      Had he done the same thing to Putin, he'd have woken up to a Polonium waffle and have shot himself in the back of the head three times

      Seriously, he should have been imprisoned just for using the name Guccifer.

  • When you say "an unoffical advisor to Clinton", be sure to indicate *WHICH* Clinton. You know, cuz, there was a President with that name too.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    The first sentence of the ARSTechnica article by David Kravets with the same headline reads-

    "The Romanian hacker who helped expose Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of private e-mail as secretary of state was sentenced Thursday to 52 months in prison in connection to an admission that he broke into about 100 Americans' mail accounts."

    Talk about a wicked psyop. It paints the picture that Hillary's use of private e-mail was a secret of some kind. I wonder how many hundreds or thousands

  • This kind of sentencing is extraordinary especially in light of other recent verdicts and sentencing.

  • ... he would have been out in 3 months.

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