Hillary Clinton Chooses Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine As Running Mate (go.com) 384
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine has been chosen as Hillary Clinton's running mate -- a man she called a "relentless optimist" who "devoted his life to fighting for others." Kaine has long been considered to be at the top of Clinton's short list. He was previously vetted for the vice presidency by Barack Obama in 2008. Kaine was an early supporter of Clinton's, appearing at a "Ready for Hillary" breakfast in May 2014 where he urged her to enter the 2016 presidential race. Kaine told NBC in June that he "encouraged her to run in May of 2014, because I could telescope forward and see some of the challenges that this nation would be facing. And I decided that by reason of character, by reason of background, and experience, but also especially by reason of results, she would be the most qualified person to be president in January of 2017." Prior to being elected to the Senate, Kaine served as governor and lieutenant governor of Virginia. In 2009, President Obama picked Kaine to lead the Democratic National Committee. Last week, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump announced Mike Pence as his VP running mate.
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Trump needs Virginia badly. This has nothing to do with the senator, and everything to do with delivering his state.
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Almost certainly, but it has to piss Bernie Sanders supporters off. This is a guy who supports deregulating banks, who's anti-abortion, who didn't support LGBT rights until 2011.
The choice makes it clear that any Sanders supporter hoping that at the very least he'd help pull Clinton further left: he failed to do so.
It's unlikely it'll make any difference in the election, but it'll be interesting to see if this helps Hillary's recent collapse in the polls. (My guess is no - 538 says they expect it to make an
Re:Oh boy (Score:5, Insightful)
You understand that in the normal course of action about the only thing a VP does is break tie votes in the Senate and, on the very rare occasion, when the President has to be put under for a root canal, temporarily becomes Command in Chief. Other than that, the only purpose of a VP is during an election, to try to ingratiate a President with demographics that might otherwise be fence-sitting. Picking someone with some social conservative views undercuts Trump, a man who though he may ape them from time to time, isn't really a social conservative at all.
Re: Oh boy (Score:5, Insightful)
1) He tells you the problem with America is with The Other
2) He tells you he'll kick out The Other
3) He tells you without The Other, America will be Great Again.
That's it.
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Well, unless of course, the actual citizen happens to be a child of Mexican immigrants, and happens to be the judge in a lawsuit where some of his victims, er, students, are suing him for bilking them out of money.
And as he will soon discover, if he manages to become President, for all this talk of how bad illegal Mexican immigrants are, the agriculture industry of the border states would collapse without them.
Re: Oh boy (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know why people fail to understand the problem with immigration isn't the people who legally come here to work. Almost no one has a problem with that. It's the millions that flood in without any registration that are the problem. The peach packing plant down the road from me employs a lot of legal workers that come here with the full endorsement of the government. They are not the problem and no one has a problem with them, we all know someone has to pick the peaches and no Americans want those jobs when they can sit home and draw a government check while they watch TV.
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It's not Trump's strong point either.
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5- he says whatever he wants. he does not bow down to the racist SJW haters
This... I'm a white, rich, Republican, and I'm GLAD that he said that he supports LGBT in his speech last night...
Regardless of your beliefs, rights are rights and if I can marry a woman, then a guy can marry a guy... And I'm free to think he is a sick fuck, and he is free to think I'm a moron, and that's just fine...
So long as I don't trample his rights and he doesn't trample mine.
So as a right-wing white Republican, I stand with the LGBT community for their rights, because if I don't defend them, no one will stand with me for mine...
Rights are rights, period...
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Supports them how?
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Peter Thiel got a standing ovation at the homophobic RNC. It's a mistake to assume the GOP hates gay people. They just dislike progressive gay people, which is most of them.
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Trump didn't send anyone over to push those rights when they were hashing out the Republican party platform this week. So the platform is even more anti-LGBT than last convention despite their "leader" supposedly being pro LGBT. So either Trump is somewhat apathetic about the whole thing or more likely he's just clueless about how political parties operate and didn't know it was part of his responsibility. Which makes me wonder how he'd actually run a country if he's messing up the simple stuff.
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Why do you care if two guys or two girls want to get married?
Marriage is a legal contract in the eyes of the state, it has to do with property rights, healthcare rights, and so on.
The other option was to remove government from marriage completely and to call them ALL civil-unions and then let people who want to use the term marriage to do so on their own, privately...
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1- he represents not more of the same
Nobody can argue with that.
2- he is not a traitor to his country like HRC
Are we talking Benghazi or Vince Foster?
3- he has never got an American killed through action or inaction
Then he's never had real power in this country.
4- he didn't carpet bag the NY Senate seat
By which you mean: win a majority of votes in NY.
5- he says whatever he wants. he does not bow down to the racist SJW haters
This is only a virtue if what he wants to say is worth while. I'm glad he was able to stand up in a Republican primary and call the Iraq war a stupid, horrible mistake, 13 years late, but still. Most of what he has to say is ignorant bullshit, though.
6- he has worked in the real world. he is not a life long leach on the tax payers who never held a real job (HRC)
I'm pretty sure Trump's held fewer "real jobs" than Hillary, and he's apparently a leach on anyb
The political machine rewards its own ... (Score:2)
... it has to piss Bernie Sanders supporters off ...
Well, maybe because he's part of the political machine that rigged things in favor of Hillary and now he gets his reward for doing so. From the summary: ... In 2009, President Obama picked Kaine to lead the Democratic National Committee."
"Kaine was an early supporter of Clinton's, appearing at a "Ready for Hillary" breakfast in May 2014 where he urged her to enter the 2016 presidential race
He's just being paid for services rendered.
Re:Oh boy (Score:4, Interesting)
Like Mr. Clinton and Carter before him, the democrats have confirmed that the party is not nearly so "liberal" as the weenies like to think. About half of them are every bit as conservative as the republicans, more so if you check deeply at all into their past. They keep a "liberal" faction so those people don't go off and form an alternative party and take their money with them. That is what Sanders' function was during this year's primaries, and it works like a charm every time. How many independents do you think will win congressional seats this year? My money is on zero. And if one or two do win, they will do like Lieberman (and Sanders) did and caucus with the party that provides the biggest rewards. The democrats run a much more deceptive game than the republicans do because they have to. And now it takes a man like Trump to push votes their way, because they put forth such weak, even false "opposition".
Re:Oh boy (Score:4, Insightful)
I used to be one of those voters: socially liberal and fiscally conservative, and I did vote for Democrats. However, Hillary is unreliable on social liberalism and most of the social liberalism I care about is law anyway. On the other hand, god only knows what Hillary would do on the economy; the only thing that is certain about her is that she is going to use her job to enrich herself. I don't know what I'm going to do in November; the one thing I'm certain about is that I do not want Hillary to become president.
Re:Oh boy (Score:5, Insightful)
For what it's worth, the magazine The Economist deeply prefers Clinton over Trump. Trump seems to make vague, wishful-thinking promises. The few verifiable economic statements he's made, for instance not having to raise the tax rate yet balancing the budget due to an expected surge of growth, are wild products of wishful thinking.
On this point, I agree with The Economist. Trump makes a lot of noises about big changes because they sound good to the uneducated. On the other hand, Clinton has a much more complete and realistic picture of what she'd do with economic policy; with Clinton at the helm there would be many fewer changes than with Trump. Given that the last 8 years have seen the Dow recover from the Bush-induced lows in the 6000s to today's record highs in the 18000s and unemployment in America shrink below 5%, more of the same sounds much better than trusting that Trump's string of brainfarts will amount to an even bigger improvement.
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Let me paraphrase you. You are saying that Clinton is preferable to Trump because she would make fewer economic changes than Trump. Yet at the same time, you're saying that Trump has made virtually no concrete proposals for changes, wh
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Wow. . Just wow..
You sure got a load there. It sounds like your full of the same too.
First, i am not a trump supporter. I will likely vote for him due to my dislike of Hillary though.
With that out of the way, i have to ask if the "uneducated" is the new meme being pushed by Hillary supporters who are wrong about a lot of things and want to address crap they do not themselves understand? You see, every single government budget I have read going back to Carter's as well as purposed tax cuts and or increase
Re:Oh boy (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you really believe trump won't be worth 20-50 billion by the time he leaves office? Trump will use his position to enrich himself. Tump has to win If he doesn't he has destroyed his most valuable asset. His brand. 70% of Trump's assets, are overseas in Muslim and Chinese countries, where rich people want to live like rich Americans. Trump uses loop holes to allow rich Chinese to immigrants to get instant green cards.
Yet you think Hillary will be worse than someone who always screws over those who does work for him.
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Hillary has proven that she is corrupt and that she commands large amounts of political power, both through her own connections, her husband, and the Clinton Foundation.
Trump is an incompetent, pompous ass and a political newcomer, hated by both Democrats and Republicans. He is lucky if Congress doesn't cut the White House kitchen budget just out of spite. What Trump wants is pretty much irrelevant since he i
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Remember that the majority of voters - probably the vast majority, I'd expect - made up their mind before the primaries. They are going to vote for the D or the R, regardless of candidate.
Winning the election is about winning the few undecided voters, and making sure your supporters turn out to vote at a higher rate than the opposing party's supporters.
That means Trump could easily win, not because Republican voters really support him, but because they really hate Hillary - and he knows that. He is using it
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And yet Trump won the primary and got the Republican nomination. When the Rancor goes down, maybe it's time to stop underestimating the weird kid with a lightsaber?
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On the contrary, Kaine votes far-left almost all the time, and is consistently rated a zero or near-zero by conservative organizations like Eagle Forum or ACU. The media will portray him as some kind of a centrist bridge-builder, as they always do for liberals, but that he is not.
He made noises against the Iran deal back on the homefront, but in the end was cowed into voting for it, if you believe his reservations were genuine.
In the end, he's a generic face meant to appease WWC voters who is free of scanda
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>Actually, there is -zero- way Trump can win
I've heard this before. at the pre-elections, yet, Trump is still in game.
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He's 'pro-life' personally but professionally does not impose his beliefs on others.
Statement from NARAL Pro-Choice America, ""While Senator Kaine has been open about his personal reservations about abortion, he’s maintained a 100% pro-choice voting record in the U.S. Senate. He voted against dangerous abortion bans, he has fought against efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, and he voted to strengthen clinic security by establishing a federal fund for it," NARAL President Ilyse Hogue said in the statement. "
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Both are right. He's personally against abortion but is not for legislation against it.
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So the centrist position.
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Horseshit sophistry. Kaine has voted for the Hyde Amendment, who's purpose is to deny the use of public funds for abortion.
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I know where I stand (Score:4, Insightful)
"devoted his life to fighting for others."
Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me."
Conservative: "I want someone who'll leave me the fuck alone."
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Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me."
As in, "Make America safe again," right?
Oh, wait...
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Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me."
Conservative: "I want someone who'll leave me the fuck alone."
Liberal: Someone who wants the government to leave people alone unless they are trying to use their wallet.
Conservative: Someone who wants the government to leave people alone unless they are trying to have sex or go to the bathroom.
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Re:I know where I stand (Score:5, Informative)
The neat thing here is that everything you just whined about doesn't describe liberalism
That depends on where you live. In Europe, a "liberal" is a libertarian. In America, a "liberal" is a progressive, or what Europeans would call a social democrat. In Australia, a "liberal" is a conservative.
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Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me"
...fight for me, against my neighbors and fellow Americans, over money someone else earned.
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Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me."
Conservative: "I want someone who'll leave me the fuck alone
...but will regulate the heck out of all the people I don't like or who have different religions or who want to use birth control or something.
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Conservative: "Trump! Trump! Trump! Trump!"
I suppose what they like best about him is that he's not going to do anything..
Or are those chanters not conservative?
Just stop it. (Score:3)
Liberal: "I want someone who'll fight for me."
Conservative: "I want someone who'll leave me the fuck alone."
Dividing everything into 'liberal' versus 'conservative' is highly corrosive substantive discussion.
And you could easily switch those quotes and have them work, by the way.
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Idiot: People that attempt to summarize a group of people with one sentence.
Re:Slight Correction (Score:4, Funny)
Funny, where have I seen people like that? [slashdot.org]
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Am I that out of touch? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the Democrat "safe" nomination to both innoculate HRC against her transgressions, and help her attack Trump?
dafuq?
Re:Am I that out of touch? (Score:4, Informative)
So we have a democratic VP that is pro TPP and has no problem with Americans that can't find jobs.
We have a GOP candidate's daughter that more or less pitched parental rights, and they applauded it. Then a GOP candidate that came out against TPP. WTF is going on with this race.
Re:Am I that out of touch? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't you just hate it when real life doesn't fit the "my team is good in every way and the other team is bad in every way" narrative?
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Your side
My "Side"? I don't believe I ever stated how I was voting or how I leaned. In fact my entire post was pointing out how candidate positions are opposite from what one would think.
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Well, it's hard to find someone who is a safe bet but still is in sync with the interests of the owners, ya know...
But we certainly can talk about that abortion bit, I'm sure he can change on this really, really, REALLY important issue.
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The choice of vice prez only marginally effects the overall election odds, unless it's a really interesting choice like Palin, and t
Candy Kaine (Score:2)
Tim Kaine & TPP (Score:5, Informative)
" I think it’s an upgrade in intellectual property protections,”
Just the guy we need, another Joe Biden. Source [theintercept.com]
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Will Mike Pence's position on TPP make any difference on who you'll vote for?
Depends--are we supposed to assume that we're not just picking whose impeachment we'd rather get to watch? If so, then it definitely matter what the possible VP's positions are on issues are because the VP will get the job once the show is over...
Thank god for Trump! (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, who would vote for this ticket if not for him? Trump is Hillary's biggest asset in this election.
Re:Thank god for Trump! (Score:4, Insightful)
And vice versa.
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Yes, it appears to be that way by design. I believe the intention there is to keep congress as close to 50/50 as possible to make it easier to pass blame back and forth in a game that is called "rotating villain", which came to the forefront during passage of "Obamacare" and removal of the single payer option. In other words, the democrats threw the 2010 midterm elections, and they are doing the exact same thing now.
Regardless of the results for the presidency, congress should be able to maintain their 95%
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But what happened to all the good Republican candidates?
I'm a long way away from the US, but trying to make sense of it. There there did not seem to be one Republican contender of the calibre of John McCain or Mitt Romney.
The party was able to select those two strong contenders in previous elections, but now the best they could find was Jeb Bush!?
I know the party has capable intelligent leaders in state politics, so why did none of them run for the presidential nomination this time?
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Their last reasonable prospect was Jim Webb
Jim Webb is basically a Republican in the Democrat party. He is heavily focused on process and protocol, but those aren't going to solve the problems of the nation.
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The "reasonable" guy is the one who wrote the Birth of a Nation for middle eastern peoples?
Re:Thank god for Trump! (Score:4, Insightful)
There there did not seem to be one Republican contender of the calibre of John McCain or Mitt Romney.
Are you kidding me? McCain and Romney were clowns. It's like the Republicans said "okay, who's turn is it to lose next?", just like they did with Bob Dole. They constantly choose the weakest candidates. The only time they manage to win is when the Dems pick someone even worse.
Re:Thank god for Trump! (Score:5, Insightful)
Romney was not a clown. A moderate conservative politician whose Massachusetts "Romneycare" was used as a blueprint by Obama. The problem with the Romney's campaign in 2012 is that it was derailed by the radical wing of the Republican party, which threatened to mow down every candidate who dared not to oppose Obamacare and everything else the incumbent president stood for.
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It's indeed a fine question.
I can't believe the establishment couldn't find anyone besides Jeb Bush. It just shocking that they thought somebody with this toxic name was still electable.
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Setting the bar pretty low there!
Dan Quale, come back, all is forgiven!
Spiro Agnew we need you!
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I want a clear conscience, so it's Gary Johnson/William Weld for me.
So you're voting for Hillary. How does that leave your conscience clear? She's a corrupt, lying, sociopath. And you're doing a little two-step dance as you support her quest for power.
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So you're voting for Hillary. How does that leave your conscience clear? She's a corrupt, lying, sociopath. And you're doing a little two-step dance as you support her quest for power.
You could replace "Hillary" with "Donald" in the paragraph above and it would be equally valid. Which proves jcr's point.
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So you're voting for Hillary.
Maybe he favors Hillary over Trump. Did you think of that?
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Your choice is absurd (Score:2)
The libertarians are totally clueless on immigration. Even among Anglo-culture whites, their is limited enthusiasm for their ideas. Amongst non-Anglo non-whites there almost no support whatsoever.
The libertarians are apparently content to ensure they remain marginal by being all in favor of importing an endless stream of folks who don't agree with them on anything.
Wake up and smell the biodiversity! The evidence is right in front of you.
The "so what?" heard around the world! (Score:4, Informative)
Milktoast centrist put in vice president status. Courage required: 0
WIkipedia entry [wikipedia.org]
At least the guy is well educated and experienced.
Not a dramatic choice - but a solid guy all the same. Would be justly called pretty conservative most places outside the US.
I'd have much preferred an Al Franken or Elizabeth Warren emotionally - but see the virtue in a low-key centrist technocrat.
Perhaps he's exciting by virtue of being boring in this environment. Get the guy training with some comedians before the debate, and a few good lines with low expectations could have OK results.
In other news: No news is news, in this news cycle. Which isn't news, with 24 hour news.
Ryan Fenton
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Milktoast centrist put in vice president status. Courage required: 0
WIkipedia entry [wikipedia.org]
At least the guy is well educated and experienced.
Not a dramatic choice - but a solid guy all the same. Would be justly called pretty conservative most places outside the US.
I'd have much preferred an Al Franken or Elizabeth Warren emotionally - but see the virtue in a low-key centrist technocrat.
Perhaps he's exciting by virtue of being boring in this environment. Get the guy training with some comedians before the debate, and a few good lines with low expectations could have OK results.
In other news: No news is news, in this news cycle. Which isn't news, with 24 hour news.
I think it's fine, do you think Franken or Warren would really bring that much influence over Hillary? She'd most likely put VP Franken or Warren in an closet to twiddle their thumbs for four years.
Kaine is probably on the same page so can act as a surrogate in office, and if Clinton died in office then Kaine would probably be fine to govern more or less how she would have governed.
"centrist" == right wing corporatist tool of MIC (Score:3)
So is the world's worst living war criminal. [wikipedia.org]
Solidly pro-life, which will undercut demagoguery from Stepford Democrats that ermagurd you must vote D to protect a woman's right to choose.
The virtue of having his lips sewn to the sphincter of Goldman Sachs? He wants more deregulation of the banks, and (like Hillary) is pro-TPP.
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I'd have much preferred an Al Franken or Elizabeth Warren emotionally
They're the Democrat's attack dogs; they can't be on the ticket because they're so obnoxious. Plus Franken has all the baggage of a stolen election.
Kaine won't attract any votes, but he won't drive away any donors.
How does he say this with a straight face? (Score:2, Interesting)
What the fuck? Seriously? Anyone else who said this would burst out laughing. Hillary has zero character. Her background is rotten. Her results? Like what? Starting an undeclared war in Libya so her buddies could make money? This just doesn't pass the giggle check. How can educated people DO these thi
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I had exactly the same reaction. Character? None. Background? She married Bill, carpetbagged her way into a New York senate seat, and got paid a bazillion dollars for "making speeches" to one percenters. Results? A middle east in flames.
What? Boy, I sure wouldn't go with that list!
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Straight to the point. (Score:2, Insightful)
They're all liars and politicians.
One small caveat. Trump isn't a politician, he's a wannabe politician, which I rate even worse than an actual politician, but even if you don't, it's certainly in no way better.
You wanna get upset and flame and troll and vent? I don't care, just realize that if you resort to name calling or making unverifiable or flatly false statements, you will be called out for it and prove yourself an unthinking
I can't believe it (Score:4, Funny)
He had to urge her to enter the presidential race?
She hadn't been chomping at the bit and planning it since before her hubby was prez?
Well knock me down with a feather.
I never thought I would say this... (Score:3, Insightful)
How about that libertarian candidate Gary Johnson guys?
Bold Move (Score:5, Interesting)
So she chose an anti-gun, pro-globalism, anti-women's civil rights, pro-collectivism candidate. Basically an Anti-Bernie Sanders.
Yet she still expects Sanders' supporters to fall in line and kiss the ring in November.
... That's a bold play, lets see how it works out for her.
Congradualations BeauHD! (Score:2)
You finally made a RELEVANT reference.
Thanks, jerk! (Score:3)
Kaine told NBC in June that he "encouraged her to run in May of 2014, because I could telescope forward and see some of the challenges that this nation would be facing."
A little warning of all of the terror attacks would have been nice.
This pick is a big middle finger to Bernie voters (Score:3)
I knew she wouldn't PICK Bernie (as if he would have accepted), and had a strong feeling she wouldn't go with Warren (wouldn't want another woman with better progressive bonafides sharing her spotlight). But to go with Someone as pro-TPP and pro-establishment as Tim Kaine is an obvious sign that she is just assuming that the progressive wing of the electorate will just fall in line anyway, and that any concessions given to Sanders in the platform process will be tossed aside immediately after the election. Trying to court moderate repugs who dislike Trump is more important to her than solidifying her own party, especially when it might make the big $$$ donors uneasy.
Between her VP pick and the latest Guccifer document dump detailing the DNC's program of sabotaging the Sanders campaign, I am hoping that Bernie takes a page from Ted Cruz' playbook and uses his keynote speech at the convention to urge progressive voters to vote their conscience, and go for Jill Stein!
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Both are iron fists.. hillary's just has a felt cloth around hers.
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That's not a fist it's a cankle
Re: Who cares? (Score:4, Funny)
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Trump will restore law and order! He will Make America Safe Again!
Who will make it safe from Trump? Who watches the Watchmen?
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Liberal bias?? (Score:2, Insightful)
Where is Slashdot when Trump announced pence?
Uh, right here [slashdot.org]?
If the froth coming out of your mouth wasn't foaming up over your eyes for just a minute, you may have even seen it listed in the "Related Links" for this very article, right below the summary!
Is there anything on earth that qualifies as "unbiased" to you?
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Probably the Trump campaign website.
Re:AND GOD CREATED THE EATHER AND (Score:4, Funny)
Considering the state this place is in, he should've taking a bit more time. I mean, look at this lemon of a planet!
Not to mention the time management of this guy. I mean, think about it, he fucked about with this insignificant pebble orbiting a not really noteworthy sun in a rather plain region of a nondescript arm of a rather standard spiral galaxy in a not really remarkable galaxy cluster for six days and the whole rest, those other planets in our system, the stars and their plants, galaxies, galaxy clusters and whatnot, all that took less than a fucking paragraph!
Look around you again and notice just how fucked his place is.
And now imagine how the rest of the creation has to be if THIS is what he spent about 99% of his time on!
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This was uncalled for. Really. I'd expect an apology. In the name of all sluts, cunts, butches and whores.
There are limits, ya know?