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Donald Trump To Announce Mike Pence As Vice-Presidential Running Mate (theguardian.com) 413

Donald Trump has selected Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice-presidential running mate. A senior GOP official, cited by many media outlets today (including the WSJ), confirmed the news, adding that the announcement will be made Friday. The Guardian reports: Pence brings several qualities to the Trump campaign that Republicans have found lacking, not least of which experience in government. The 57-year-old spent 12 years in Congress, including two years in a leadership role with the House Republican Conference. He was elected governor of Indiana in 2012, and gained a degree of national notoriety that's to a controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which he signed into law and then wanted revised, after many argued it would allow discrimination against LGBT people. A Trump-Pence ticket could send a message to Republican dissenters who feel they cannot support a candidate who has proven inconsistent on guns, abortion, LGBT rights and other social conservative issues. Just before the Indiana primary election, the staunchly conservative governor endorsed Ted Cruz, Trump's leading opponent and a far-right senator from Texas.An anonymous reader shared a BuzzFeed article on Pence today. The article digs into some of the opinion pieces Pence has penned over the years. In one such article, Pence wrote that "smoking doesn't kill." "Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill," he wrote. In another piece, he argues that Carbon Dioxide "can't be the cause of increased global temperatures" because it is "a naturally occurring phenomenon in nature..." not an unnatural one.
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Donald Trump To Announce Mike Pence As Vice-Presidential Running Mate

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  • Indian? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bws111 ( 1216812 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:01PM (#52511399)

    Editors, do you do anything???

  • Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tripleevenfall ( 1990004 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:04PM (#52511421)

    Reaction from conservatives and Republicans on this will be little to zero excitement.

    Pence shriveled up in the face of the challenges in his state when the religious freedom act came under assault, and he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.

    However, I suspect that Trump has left himself with few friends and fewer qualified choices, so this is what the Trumpsters get. Mike the Generic Guy.

    • Re:Meh (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:12PM (#52511489)

      However, I suspect that Trump has left himself with few friends and fewer qualified choices, so this is what the Trumpsters get. Mike the Generic Guy

      There's also the fact that about half the names released so far that are speaking at the RNC are either Trump's family or sports "stars" like Dana White and Tim Tebow. Not really what you would call credible endorsers that can drum up much support. Tebow is an obvious play for the evangelicals though, and I assume Dana White is there to support Trump's whole "good in business(debatable)=good in government" platform.

      • Re:Meh (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ShaunC ( 203807 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @04:15PM (#52513277)

        There's also the fact that about half the names released so far that are speaking at the RNC are either Trump's family or sports "stars" like Dana White and Tim Tebow.

        That side of the campaign sounds more like Camacho 2016 with each passing day. Tell me this exchange doesn't sound familiar.

        • President Camacho: Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING!
        • Congressman #1: Break it down, Camacho!
        • President Camacho: Number 1: We've got this guy Not Sure. Number 2: He's got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. and Number 3: He's going to fix EVERYTHING.

        It sounds like every single platform statement Trump has come up with.

        • Press: What is your stance on $ISSUE_X?
        • Trump: We're talking with the best people, smart people, real high energy people, and you're going to love what we do about $ISSUE_X!

        I'm growing weary of politicians using 1984 as a playbook, but I'd really prefer not to see Idiocracy used as one, either.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The more viable VP candidates are probably extremely hesitant to poison their career by associating with Trump's historic, losing campaign.

      • That's the more likely explanation. Anyone with any ambition, or anyone who doesn't want to go down in history as Trump's running mate (which would probably include 90% of all the possible picks) is not going to drink from this poisoned chalice.

    • Re:Meh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by HangingChad ( 677530 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:13PM (#52511505) Homepage

      he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.

      But he looks good on TV. I would like to state with conviction that wouldn't be a deciding factor but we all know better.

    • For all his faults, Newt accepts climate change and calls for "green conservativism", has good attitudes on minorities and women's rights (defended those and a potential woman president in an Ali G interview), and supports a base on the moon and a flight to Mars. What more can one ask for.

      • by Karlt1 ( 231423 )

        Well Gingrich saw the way that the Republican party was becoming more ant-science and changed his tune.

        http://www.factcheck.org/2011/... [factcheck.org]

      • by Jeff Flanagan ( 2981883 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:09PM (#52511991)
        >For all his faults, Newt accepts climate change and calls for "green conservativism",

        Which makes him totally unacceptable to Republican voters. They don't care about the hypocrisy, or extremism, but they do care if someone threatens their collapsing delusional worldview.

        The wacky things Republicans say and do make a lot more sense if you view them as a failed subculture, desperately trying to hold off the collapse of their propaganda and superstition based worldview for as long as possible. Choosing religion and pandering hoax-media over evidence is a dead-end, and on some level they know it.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Conservative Republicans are green. They just need to have that pointed out to them. The stereotypical Republican is a hunter. Hunters are green. They just aren't the same green as the hippies. They want wild game to be able to live, and that requires some care for the environment.
          • Its not the provable science at issue. It is the far left new-communist SOLUTIONS. Global wealth redistribution is the only solution. No mistake that is what carbon trading and carbon credits are. How can first world countries giving billions to 3rd world war lords help the climate in anyway? It will only make the new UN Politburo the most powerful unelected people on the planet. THAT is the progressive wet dream. Control EVERY person on the planet.

      • He's really into family values. He values families so much that he's had several of them.

    • He seems like a one-issue, "no new taxes/spending" kind of guy.

      he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.

      It kind of makes you wonder if Trump actually is on the conservative side of the divide, despite spending plenty of money on democrats in the past (and avowing liberal opinions).

      tbh he comes across as kind of a blockhead, so maybe he matches Donald Trump [youtube.com]. I can't stand listening to him, so in that sense he matches Trump.

    • Re:Meh (Score:4, Informative)

      by macs4all ( 973270 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @03:26PM (#52512727)

      Reaction from conservatives and Republicans on this will be little to zero excitement.

      Pence shriveled up in the face of the challenges in his state when the religious freedom act came under assault, and he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.

      However, I suspect that Trump has left himself with few friends and fewer qualified choices, so this is what the Trumpsters get. Mike the Generic Guy.

      Oh, he didn't "shrivel up". He outright LIED [go.com].

  • by CajunArson ( 465943 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:07PM (#52511441) Journal

    Here's what Mike Pence said word for word in his so-called "denialist" and "anti-science" article:

    This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.

    And he was right.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Turing should have been tried as a war criminal for violating the privacy of U-Boat crews. #revisionism

      I get the joke you're going for here, but considering what happened to Turing, it's pretty fucking tone deaf.
    • by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:23PM (#52511577)

      The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.

      *Takes deep breath free of cigarette smoke*. I'm going with back handed big government since I'm not being killed by someone replacing my breathable oxygen with carcinogenic smog against my consent.

      • by Jeff Flanagan ( 2981883 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:17PM (#52512041)
        The funny thing is that Conservatives don't even really oppose big government, they just want it to be a big, harmful, theocratic government. It's government that helps people that they object to. They're fine with treating The Handmaid's Tale as an instruction manual.
        • by kqs ( 1038910 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @03:15PM (#52512615)

          Indeed. The Republican Party Platform, as of now, wants government to:
              * Regulate the porn industry and control what you're allowed to see.
              * Regulate who you can marry.
              * Regulate what operations your doctor can do on you (especially if you are a woman).
              * Regulate what bathroom you can use.
              * Spend more and more on the military.
              * Pay for it all by cutting taxes, mostly on the wealthy.

          Not what I would call small government.

          But they want to be sure that fewer people have health care, so they have that going for them, which is nice.

    • by guises ( 2423402 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:31PM (#52511655)
      If you quote the whole paragraph it's mostly just confusing:

      Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer. This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.

      Smoking doesn't kill... except for those one out of every three smokers who die from a smoking related illness. Then he tries to say that the relevant part of a conversation about smoking is really about second hand smoking... On the whole, it's just a bunch of nonsense.

      If you take just the part about "smoking doesn't kill" it does make him sound worse than he deserves, but similarly the bit that you quote makes him sound better than he deserves. Mostly he's just spewing gibberish here.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Smoking does raise your risk factors for fatal disease dramatically, thus can be said to "kill". Science has consistently shown second-hand smoke has zero impact on anyone, aside from annoying people and irritating the bronchial passages. CO2 is a natural phenomena; the amount of CO2 we're pumping out in the given time frame is *not* a natural phenomena (in so much as human activity can be said to be not natural); and whether you believe the AGW line or the anti-AGW line, that distinction remains a cold,

      • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:13PM (#52512019) Journal
        Science has consistently shown second-hand smoke has zero impact on anyone, aside from annoying people and irritating the bronchial passages.

        Bullshit. CDC link [cdc.gov]:
        1. Secondhand Smoke Harms Children and Adults
        2. There is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure; even brief exposure can be harmful to health.1,2,6
        3. Since 1964, approximately 2,500,000 nonsmokers have died from health problems caused by exposure to secondhand smoke.1
        1. Health Effects in Children
        2. In children, secondhand smoke causes the following:1,2,3
        3. Ear infections
        4. More frequent and severe asthma attacks
        5. Respiratory symptoms (for example, coughing, sneezing, and shortness of breath)
        6. Respiratory infections (bronchitis and pneumonia)
        7. A greater risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)

        Health Effects in Adults

        1. In adults who have never smoked, secondhand smoke can cause:
        2. Heart disease
        3. For nonsmokers, breathing secondhand smoke has immediate harmful effects on the heart and blood vessels.1,3
        4. It is estimated that secondhand smoke caused nearly 34,000 heart disease deaths each year during 2005â"2009 among adult nonsmokers in the United States.1
        5. Lung cancer1,7
        6. Secondhand smoke exposure caused more than 7,300 lung cancer deaths each year during 2005â"2009 among adult nonsmokers in the United States.1
        7. Stroke1

        From the American Cancer Society [cancer.org]

        But go ahead, claim all their science is junk and you're smarter than the experts. That seems to be a symptom of people who can't admit facts.

        • The AHA, ACS, and CDC all have 50-year-old research and positions on these things. They lag behind modern science by an enormous margin.

          In a study of 76,000 women [oxfordjournals.org], current and former smokers had statistically higher chances of lung cancer; exposure to second hand smoke showed NOTHING.

          Studies that show links between second-hand smoke and disease are almost universally case-control, where you find someone who has a disease and ask if they were exposed to a potential cause. This kind of study overwhelmin

    • keeping other peoples fucking drugs out of my own goddamn lungs is not "big government" that's basic fucking law and order that is a libertarian governments only fucking mandate

      shove whatever goddamn needle full of nicotine and tar into your own fucking veins you want, i don't fucking care, so long as I DON'T HAVE TO BREATH IT

      you smokey goddamn ash-hole

    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      That selective quote is just as bad as the bias you claim to be against.

      He wrote "Time for a reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness"

      So 1 in 3 does die from a smoking related illess Mr Pence? And you are going to use THAT statistic as support for "smoking doesn't kill". When it kills 1/3rd of smokers? How many smokers exactly Mike, does it need to kill before you consid

  • by stabiesoft ( 733417 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:08PM (#52511443) Homepage

    The republicans in Indiana will be celebrating. Pence was going to lose the governorship there if he ran again. So now they can get a new face and possibly retain the governor's mansion.

  • by vivaoporto ( 1064484 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:08PM (#52511447)
    Maybe it is true, maybe it is not but as of now according to his campaign manager [twitter.com]

    Re: @realDonaldTrump VP selection, a decision will be made in the near future and the announcement will be tomorrow at 11am in New York.

    So, until now at least, it seems to be only a rumour and I wouldn't put past one planted by his campaign to generate buzz to his announcement tomorrow.

  • Bleah! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:11PM (#52511477) Homepage Journal

    I just googled Mike Pence's legislative history and he is bloody awful!

    Totally against abortion, "[2011] remove the mandate on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee to focus on maximum employment", against same-sex marriage, does not want gays and similar to have equal rights, remove restrictions on campaign contributions, reduce taxes on the rich...

    ...the list goes on and on.

    He is no friend of the people .

    • I guess if you're going to go for the crazy vote you might as well go all in on crazy.

    • Re:Bleah! (Score:5, Informative)

      by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:34PM (#52511679) Homepage

      Over his 12 years in Congress, he was the primary sponsor for 63 bills. 18 made it to committee. 0 made it out to the floor even for consideration. He was useless in Congress. He was harmful to Indiana. If the pattern continues, he'll be awful as VP even with token powers.

      • The only good thing (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:50PM (#52511827) Homepage Journal

        I keep coming back to the time when Obama flip-flopped on telecom immunity [politifact.com] during the run-up to the 2008 election.

        People kept pointing out that this one act caused the telecoms to donate more money to him, which got him elected. Given the closeness of the 2008 election, it's plausible that if Obama *hadn't* done this that he would not have become president.

        People also pointed out that: "it was necessary to get elected - he can't implement hope and change unless he wins".

        It was a rationalization based on "the ends justify the means".

        I shudder to think that Pence was chosen simply for this reason - an expedient choice to increase the odds of Trump being elected, and not for his opinions, competence, or experience.

        My soul is fading, I am become like the Democrats.

  • Homosexuals (Score:3, Funny)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:12PM (#52511493) Homepage Journal
    He is a Republican that hates homosexuals. That might make him our first homosexual VP, since most of those types of Republicans are "in the closet" types.
  • Good pick. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:13PM (#52511495)

    Pence is just as nuts as Trump which is good... for Trump. If Trump picked a good VP and somehow got elected, someone might try to assassinate him just to get the VP in place. Way to double down on the insanity! ;)

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:18PM (#52511533)
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    • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:27PM (#52511611) Homepage Journal
      So Donald Trump and Mike Pence aren't one of the "elites"? They are both multimillionaires. The only people that Trump "resonates with" are white trash.
      • I have read stories about thousands of people who win the lottery and I would not call them elite either. "Elite" is a set of people holding lots of power. Money is just one form of power, but there are many more forms of power. Elites also use that power to scratch each others backs. It's a "click", or a "club". Hillary is a member of the club, Sanders was not. Pence is not, Paul is not, and I think you will see the point and be able to spot the trend.

        Trump is interesting though, because he was a car

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      but at least it would shake things up

      This is cute and all, but when some of the things being shaken up include 4 of the top ten world economies, the biggest military, and a few thousand nukes, you can understand why people might think that sentiment makes you look like a dipshit.
    • by beelsebob ( 529313 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:28PM (#52511625)

      People are tired of the elite ruling, making decisions based on cronyism and who lines their pockets. Trump isn't afraid to call them out.

      Right... because Trump isn't a multi-billionare elite looking to do nothing but line his own pockets...

    • by The-Ixian ( 168184 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:34PM (#52511681)

      People are tired of the elite ruling

      I don't understand this line. Isn't Trump part of the "elite"

      He currently has the power to change the course of thousands of lives if he so chose.

      He runs in the same circles as the "elite" right now.

      How does that not make him a part of the ruling class?

      • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:39PM (#52512253)

        How does that not make him a part of the ruling class?

        Because all the actual, real members of the ruling class hate him. There are plenty of people as rich or wildly richer than Trump. Unlike many of them, he hasn't been hip-deep in real politics all his adult life. He's a fairly successful person with an outlook on life that is shared by millions of people, and an awareness (say, halfway through his life) that his own success could be bolstered by adding "entertainer" to his box of tricks. But if he's "ruling class," then so is Michael Jordan, Steven Spielberg, Taylor Swift, Richard Branson, or JK Rowling. "Running in the same circles" isn't even vaguely like being, say, a Clinton.

    • Trump is an elite.
    • Will Trump being president be a disaster, probably.. but at least it would shake things up[...]

      Yeah. I've been gaining some weight lately and need a shake up. But there's no way I'm injecting myself with HIV to do it.

      No, I don't think Trump would cause World War 3. There are too many safeguards to prevent a president from going 'rogue'. But I also don't think his policies would be good for either the country or the world.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      Will Trump being president be a disaster, probably.. but at least it would shake things up and make the elite take notice how easily they can be replaced by the unsatisfied masses when the option presents itself.

      I think that is a definitely, not a probably. For all his faults Trump is a business man first and foremost. And while there is nothing wrong with being a successful business man(1) the government can't be run as a business, and to me that's the biggest issue that Trump will face. His "My way or the highway" attitude will not endear him to anyone else in power and you can't be isolationist in todays world.

      One other thing that I can't see him doing is, if he becomes President then he will have to hand ove

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Trump is the fucking elite.

      And electing a vile racist buffoon just because you want to "shake things up" is like lighting your house on fire because you don't like the living room furniture.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:23PM (#52511573)
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  • Seriously, I know she has no government experience, but she is a strong woman in her own right and if you watch her speak, she is no push over... I could see her as President in 20 years...

    She is also one of the few people Trump can really totally and completely trust...

    • Plus she has shown her vagina in magazines for money. Definitely a quality pick for white trash guys like you.
      • by bluefoxlucid ( 723572 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:22PM (#52512085) Homepage Journal

        I don't much care if a president is having orgies and playing online as a cam girl, so long as she has good policies. It's kind of like drug testing: weed isn't my thing and we don't smoke up at work, but I'd hire a guy who smokes weed in a place where smoking weed is legal, so long as I have reason not to project any performance issues. If he has a good work history, seems well-adjusted, and interviews well, I have reason to believe his personal life isn't my business; and let's be honest: you can put in all the screens and filters and 6-day interview processes you want and still hire a crap candidate--or worse, you can get me.

  • by PvtVoid ( 1252388 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @01:42PM (#52511769)

    This means that Pence won't be running for governor of Indiana. Which means he's going to be out of office entirely come 2017.

  • by edittard ( 805475 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @02:33PM (#52512197)

    Anything marked as a quotation should be lifted verbatim.
    Exception: If you add something (such as an explanation or clarification) it should be in square brackets.
    Exception: If you omit something for brevity, mark the missing section with an ellipsis in square brackets.
    Exception: If you spot a grammatical error and you want to draw attention to it, add [sic] after it.

    Original Grauniad article:

    He was elected governor of Indiana in 2012, and gained a degree of national notoriety thanks to a controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act [...]

    Slashdot summary:

    He was elected governor of Indiana in 2012, and gained a degree of national notoriety that's [sic] to a controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act [...]

    As soon as you start frigging around with tenses, pronouns, voices or any other form of paraphrasing, even a tiny bit, it ceases to be a direct quote and should NOT be marked as one. This is Journalism 101.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      I don't even know how they went from "thanks" to "that's". Its like some blind monkey typed it in rather than doing a cut and paste.

  • by macs4all ( 973270 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @03:18PM (#52512645)
    As a native of Indiana, and as a longstanding resident, I couldn't be more pleased with Trumps decision.

    Anything that gets him out of this State is good news, indeed!
  • [x] Can not see Russia from his porch.
    [x] Does not own a pig or lipstick.
    [x] Able to name all of his children from memory.
    [x] Is aware that the Founding Fathers did not know the Pledge of Allegiance.
    [x] Has no unmarried, pregnant daughters promoting abstinence.
    [ ] Understands that smoking tobacco kills.
    [ ] Knows that Carbon Dioxide is the cause of Global Warming.
    [ ] The movie Titanic is not a metaphor for the USA today.
    [ ] Realizes George Washington was not a Republican.

  • by porky_pig_jr ( 129948 ) on Thursday July 14, 2016 @08:03PM (#52515095)

    That's lung cancer that does.

  • by guacamole ( 24270 ) on Friday July 15, 2016 @02:32AM (#52516213)

    For those who haven't taken politics 101 in the high school, this is a good time to look up at the responsibilities of the American Vice President. [wikipedia.org] (Hint, this is not the person who takes over president's duties when the president goes on vacation or a work trip).

    The American vice president is technically legally allowed to retired into his Florida mansion immediately after his ticket wins the White House election, and then chill all day at the beach until one of two highly unlikely events happens. First, he is the first in line to succeed the president should anything happen to him or if the president resigns or is removed from the office. Second, the VP can break the legislative battles in the senate when the vote is split exactly 50-50, which you can imagine doesn't happen very frequently. In between of such highly unlikely events, the VP isn't supposed to do much. If he decides to chill all day at the beach, he can't be fired or sacked for having such a carefree life unless he somehow broke the law, because VP is an elected office.

    So what good is the VP for? The VP is primarily a marketing figure. The Vice President has to be the side-kick of the presidential candidate during the election campaign. The VP candidate is always selected based on his ability to attract the electoral vote, rather than his ability to cast that precious tie-breaking senate vote (and usually, nobody chooses him based on the ability to lead the country because normally someone who is running for the presidential seat doesn't plan to die or retire soon).

    For example, the Democrats often have a "south problem", because the American South isn't usually inclined to vote for a Democrats. So one type of electoral strategy is to have at least one southerner on the electoral ticket. Clinton had Al Gore (both were southerners) and Kerry selected John Edwards (a North Carolinian).

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