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With Carly Fiorina As Running Mate, Cruz's H-1B Stance Now In Question (computerworld.com) 327

dcblogs quotes a report from Computerworld: In 2013, Sen. Ted Cruz emerged as one of the Senate's top H-1B visa supporters, and argued for a 500% visa cap increase. But during his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, Cruz had a conversion. Cruz's presidential platform proposed a $110,000 minimum wage for visa workers, among other restrictions, as a way of ending their use as low-cost labor. The move marked a complete turnabout on the H-1B issue. Cruz's decision Wednesday to add former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina as his running mate if he wins the nomination, may make his newly found H-1B beliefs a hard sell. At HP, Fiorina was a prominent supporter of the offshore outsourcing model, said Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at Howard University. "To pump up profits, she was an early adopter of the practice, which given HP's status as a leading Silicon Valley firm, pushed other firms to adopt offshoring," said Hira. As offshoring gained, Fiorina played a leading role in defending globalization. To make her point, in 2004, Fiorina said: "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore," reported the San Francisco Chronicle.
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With Carly Fiorina As Running Mate, Cruz's H-1B Stance Now In Question

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  • With Carly Fiorina named as his running mate, her stance on H1B, as a former Captain of tech industry, is the first query lobbed at Team Cruz?

    He wondered aloud, "Why are we even contemplating running mate issues prior to a Presidential nomination?"

  • Carly Fiorina is... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by brennz ( 715237 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:55PM (#52001929)

    a bad business person.

    Like many other CEOs, she thought short-term without considering the long-term implications of her actions.

    She pushed outsourcing to the detriment of American workers
    She eroded the previous HP quality
    She bought a horrible company in Compaq
    She failed to properly integrate Compaq into HP
    She failed to leverage a crown jewel in the DEC Alpha, and contributed to its cancellation after the acquisition
    She destroyed the value of the overall business of HP

    I don't need to say she is anti-American, though she may be. Definitely a business failure though, despite the golden parachute.

    • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:20PM (#52002057)
      Compaq was a good buy. That she mis-managed the opportunity doesn't mean the purchase was necessarily a bad thing. The HP servers were falling, and with them the more profitable professional services. Compaq had a better server line, and the popular servers these days are descendants of Compaq, not HP server lines. So without Compaq, HP would have been even worse off. It's just that the inability to act on the good acquisition makes it look like a bad move. Given the other blunders at the time, how is one able to tell which blunder lead to which bad result?

      The unforgivable sin was the damage to the handhelds (including calculators).
      • by khallow ( 566160 )
        Both HP and Compaq stock dropped instantly on the announcement of the buyout. I know because I owned shares in both and my job at HP (I was one of the first wave of laid off HP employees within a week of the announcement as part of the merger agreement) went down near instantaneously. It wasn't a great time financially, but it was a big lesson to me in how apparently independent risks can correlate through a single unforeseen event.

        When you have an instant drop on all the involved companies, you know tha
        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )

          There's just this hazy assertion that it might have been worse otherwise because HP servers are descended from Compaq servers. All I know for sure is that Fiorina turned the combined current market share of HP and Compaq into less than the market share of HP at the time of the merger.

          She still did better than AOL/Time Warner, then.

          We can't know what the result would have been, until we invent time machines and alternate universes.

    • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:29PM (#52002103) Journal

      She was an utter moron, the very picture of the idiot CEO who has no fucking idea what the business they've been put in charge of does, and just starts running amok through various business units, building debt with shit purchases, and then firing the R&D people because they can't get the two or three quarter turnarounds the fucking retards put on the Board by the institutional investors (read: corporate rapists) think is needed.

    • Like many other CEOs, she thought short-term without considering the long-term implications of her actions.

      That might have been forgivable if she'd had any success at all with the short-term results of her actions.

    • by plopez ( 54068 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:44PM (#52002671) Journal

      She also made Lucent what it is today. Let's never forget Lucent.

    • Carly is just a ploy to get the Trump voters. Cruz notices that the republican base wants a bad business person with a long record of destruction, so he has to put one on his ticket to match Trump.

  • Who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)

    Cruz isn't getting the nomination. The guy has about 2% of the Republican vote. Give me a break.
    • they are meant for each other. he has the world's most punchable face (look it up, its a fact) and she, well, she's not all that far behind in that area, either.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      But the media and establishment really, really, really, really want Cruz. So he's gonna get it, cuz they said so.

      • by vux984 ( 928602 )

        I'm not so sure. The establishment may be pushing cruz to force a contested election so that they don't have to pick either Trump or Cruz.

        The media also wants a contested convention because that's ratings gold.

      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        Please, how much money do you want to bet that Trump won't get the Republican nomination at this point? Whatever it is I'll see it. He has it locked down at this point. The "controversy" is a media invention designed to get readers. It doesnt really exist.

  • by l0n3s0m3phr34k ( 2613107 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:01PM (#52001963)
    ever believed Cruz's "H1-B visa stance". It's all just propaganda. Before he started running he was advocating for a 500% increase in H1-B visas in 2013.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:14PM (#52002023)

      Trump recently pivoted in a debate to say that he now supported the H1B program, in spite of what his web site said. Megyn Kelly followed up just to make sure she heard him correctly. Then the next day, probably after talking to Rudy Guiliani and other trusted advisors, he flipflopped back to his original position.

      So you can't trust Trump on H1B either. He'll say whatever it takes to win the election. I bet even he doesn't know what he'll do if he got elected, on that and any number of issues foreign and domestic.

      • Look at the bright side, when Trump is president, he'll.......
        I don't know what, I'm still trying to figure out a bright side.
      • The question was about highly skilled workers, which is what we imagine H1B to be. But that's not what H1B is.

        The sales pitch is Einstein and von Braun. The reality is the foreign guy that answers the phone when you call Dell for tech support.

    • Cruz is one of those people who will say/do whatever it takes to get elected. Tea partier? Sure, why not. Establishment pet? He will obey for votes. H1-B visas? What difference does it make, as long as it gets him votes? He'll flip-flop on anything you pay him to do, and then bore you to death with a long, legalistic, and incorrect explanation of why he is not actually flip-flopping.
      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Cruz is one of those people who will say/do whatever it takes to get elected. Tea partier? Sure, why not. Establishment pet? He will obey for votes. H1-B visas? What difference does it make, as long as it gets him votes? He'll flip-flop on anything you pay him to do, and then bore you to death with a long, legalistic, and incorrect explanation of why he is not actually flip-flopping.

        You're confusing Trump with Cruz. Trump is that way, but Cruz has an entire worldview of insanity, and it's cast in concrete. Don't let his debating skills as a lawyer fool you. Yes, he can speak on either side of any issue, but when he gets to pick the side he wants, the country is in big trouble. The only risk with the Donald is that he picks a V-P like the big dick Cheney.

  • Ted Cruz was already a distant second banana, and has decided to pump up his popularity by inviting as running mate the least popular vagino-American in Silicon Valley. The only possibly worse choice would be John McAfee.

    • At least McAfee would be worth a few jokes. Fiorina is only deserving of unmitigated contempt. One of the worst CEOs in recent history, which is astounding, consider the amount of competition for worthless brain dead senior management there is these days.

  • Heh. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:05PM (#52001983)

    Cruz may need H1-B status to work as POTUS.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:09PM (#52001999) Journal

    Official Cruz-Fiornia campaign portrait:

    http://cache2.asset-cache.net/... [asset-cache.net]

    • Too bad I already posted - I'd love to mod you up. Laughing my ass off! Although I'm not entirely sure whether Cruz is Waylon or Madame...
      • I'm not entirely sure whether Cruz is Waylon or Madame...

        It's "Wayland". Get your gay puppeteer references straight.

        Oh, and here's a little gift for your thoughtful and appreciative comment:

        https://youtu.be/---tyXiY1fE [youtu.be]

        [Many people forget that in the '70s, Wayland and Madame were so popular that they actually made movies. This clip is from the unforgettable "Norman...Is That You?" with Redd Foxx. Also, I apologize to the young'ns that will be completely puzzled by the reference.]

  • Cruz's recently acquired anti "H1-B stance" is election year politics just like his recently acquired anti TPP stance.

  • by tkrotchko ( 124118 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:14PM (#52002019) Homepage

    H1-B is bringing in guest workers to the United States, but keeping the work in house.

    Offshoring is simply moving the work to a foreign country.

    The article and summary seem to have confused the two.

    • Was about to post the same offshoring does not equal H1-B. The article and summary author doesn't seem to understand the difference, that is not to say Carly isn't an aweful CEO though or that Cruz somehow has credibility in his stance just the article and summary is really really bad.
  • Cruz picked Fiorina for 2 reasons: she's a woman and she an "outsider". He doesn't care what her policies are as long as she doesn't have a Palin effect on his campaign. The "outsider" factor is to try and grab support away from Trump and the woman factor is to try and get people to think he will have a better shot at winning a general election.

    On the bright side, maybe Fiorina would try to offshore Congress?

    • maybe Fiorina would try to offshore Congress

      I say we outsource Congress to SE Asia and the Executive branch to China. TSA can be replaced by lowest bidder. I heard that some company named i-SYS will do it for free. Let's grate America up again!

    • He probably picked her because he thinks it will give him more pull in California, which it won't. She's tried to run for office in California before and failed. He she actually be successful in her tenure as HP's CEO she likely would fare better politically, but when getting fired makes the company's stock jump over 6% on just that news alone, it's pretty obvious you did a shit job.

      Perhaps more interesting though is that several weeks ago there was also a rumor going around that Cruz had an affair with
      • they forgot that the party doesn't like Cruz either.

        Where I live the media were running stories only a couple of weeks ago about how Cruz was hated by the Republican elite, almost as much as they hate Trump. Yesterday I read about how Cruz is teaming up with Kasich to stop Trump, and the Republicans love Cruz.

        No-one seems able to explain how that was ever going to work, so of course it fell over at the first hurdle, and Trump won five more States. If Cruz has Fiorina as his running mate, what about Kasich?

        None of this makes any sense unless you get no

  • Who cares? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:31PM (#52002121)

    Cruz strikes me as an opportunist who will engage in policy-based evidence making. It doesn't matter how good or bad the H1-B program is - he will denigrate it or support it based entirely on what will win votes and/or please major campaign contributors and/or result in some concession in some sleazy backroom deal. Cruz will do with H1-B whatever gains him the most political capital, and Carly's position is irrelevant.

    Not that Cruz is much different from most of the other contenders, Democrat or Republican.

  • Fiorina as V-P? Does Cruz think the presidential election is an UNpopularity contest?

    Even by Texas standards of insanity, his desperation is hilarious.

    Born in Texas, but now I'm an ex-Texan of the no-vote-for-you party and I donated my poll tax to Bernie Sanders.

    • by Alomex ( 148003 )

      Just like you I couldn't make heads or tails out of this choice... until I figured out that what must have happened is that all of Cruz first choices turned him down and he had to settle for Carly.

      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        Actually, at this point I'm hoping the Donald gets the nomination, but no one will agree to be his V-P. That would be a hilarious end for the party that claims to be the legacy of Abe Lincoln's Republican Party and the GOP of Ike and Teddy. Just a sad brand hijack.

  • I think he chose her because the establishment likes her, she will attract more women and she can go toe to toe with Hillary without the automatic label of sexist. I am surprised Trump didn't ask her first ... maybe he did.
    • I think he chose her because the establishment likes her, she will attract more women and she can go toe to toe with Hillary without the automatic label of sexist.

      I am surprised Trump didn't ask her first ... maybe he did.

      Trump is going to have a Hispanic woman as his running mate.

  • There's more than one issue, and I dare say that when it comes to the issues, H-1B visas are not at the forefront of American politics. Most people outside of the tech industry don't even know what the hell they are. Whatever differences Cruz and Fiorina have regarding H-1B visas really don't matter - it's not a significant part of the platform.

  • And Fiorina ran HP, and via mergers, Compaq and DEC into the ground and perpetuated the off shoring nonsense that helped destroy major parts of the tech industry in the US back then.

    As much of a nazi demagogue as Trump is, Cruz and his minion are even worse. Sucks that the Dem candidate likely to win that nomination is a corrupt cunt.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:11PM (#52002327) Journal

    You were just named a vice presidential candidate, Ms Fiorina. So why the long face?

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/... [nydailynews.com]

  • WTF is wrong with the Republican Party?

  • Having followed politics a while, I predict a response similar to the following:

    "There certainly have been abuses in the H-1B program. We should apply the lessons of these experiences, review the guest worker laws, and tighten them if necessary such that companies that truly cannot find qualified citizens still have access to guest workers, yet avoid the abuses we've been seeing from companies lacking a genuine need."

  • by Livius ( 318358 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @11:09PM (#52002559)

    It's *sounds* good to set a "minimum wage", but H-1B abuses are not about money, they're about abusing workers in every other way. Employers have no problem paying a worker for 40 hours work at a fair wage since they can pressure them into working 80 hours.

  • You do realize that H1-B visas are probably a pretty minor thing in the grand scope? Maybe there might be more important or pressing concerns in presidential hopefuls than how they come down on visas for the tech industry?

    Cuz that was the first thing on your mind when you heard this announcement?

  • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @09:54AM (#52005207) Homepage Journal

    The People: "I am not fucking voting for Hillary! I won't! I swear, I won't!!!"

    Republicans: "Oh, yes you will. You will vote for exactly whom we want you to."

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