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US: North Korean Missile Launch a 'Catastrophic' Failure (washingtonpost.com) 192

An anonymous reader writes: North Korea failed to launch an intermediate-range missile on Friday, multiple news outlets, citing American and South Korean military officials, are reporting. The failure, The Washington Post reports, caused the regime an embarrassing blow on the most important day of the year on the North Korean calendar. For those unaware, North Korea had planned -- and tried -- to launch a missile to mark the 104th anniversary of the birthday of the country's 'eternal president,' Kim Il Sung.ABC further reports: "It was a fiery, catastrophic attempt at a launch that was unsuccessful," Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said Friday. U.S. officials are still assessing, but it was likely a road-mobile missile, given that it was launched from a location not usually used for ballistic missile launches, on the country's east coast, he said. The UN Security Council issued a statement saying its members "strongly condemned" the North's firing of a ballistic missile, which it said constituted a clear violation of UN Security Council resolutions although the launch was a failure. "We strongly condemn North Korea's missile test in violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions, which explicitly prohibit North Korea's use of ballistic missile technology," the official said.
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US: North Korean Missile Launch a 'Catastrophic' Failure

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  • are now operational
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 17, 2016 @10:37AM (#51926803)

    Spectacular Fireworks To Celebrate Anniversary Of Glorious Leader Kim il Sung Birthday Huge Success!

  • They don't actually have much in the ways of nukes or missiles. They know they would be decimated in any war, so they detonate every single nuke and launch every missile they have to ensure that people don't bother them.
    • Re:Bluffing (Score:5, Interesting)

      by KiloByte ( 825081 ) on Sunday April 17, 2016 @11:05AM (#51926953)

      They don't have real nukes or ballistic missiles, yes, as that needs tech. They do have, though, an enormous number of 1950-era pieces of conventional artillery that would kill millions in northern parts of South Korea. This includes Seoul which is close to the border and whose metro area makes up roughly half of South Korea's population.

      And that artillery is well dug-in in mountainous terrain so even nuking them wouldn't stop the carnage.

      • Re:Bluffing (Score:4, Interesting)

        by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Sunday April 17, 2016 @12:00PM (#51927189) Journal

        And that artillery is well dug-in in mountainous terrain so even nuking them wouldn't stop the carnage.

        Nuking within 50 miles of Seoul would be counterproductive if your goal were to avoid deaths in South Korea, but I wouldn't be too sure about the above claim. 1950s-era artillery typically requires manual operation - killing the soldiers near it will prevent it from firing. Even if it's dug in, fuel-air bombs that either burn them out or make the air unbreathable would likely remove the threat, though it may not be politically feasible to kill that many people.

        • Re:Bluffing (Score:4, Interesting)

          by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Sunday April 17, 2016 @12:41PM (#51927361) Journal
          There are anti-gun radar that can pinpoint the location of the gun accurately. The gun fires two or three shells to estimate the range, it waits for the shell to land, get the feedback to adjust the firing angle, azimuth and elevation. But before it could fire the next shell, it would be receiving counter strikes, anti gun radar and other technology has become that good. So dug in artillery pieces are sitting ducks. Shoot and scoot can fire a few shells randomly and run, but it could not strike with accuracy.
        • by khallow ( 566160 )

          Even if it's dug in, fuel-air bombs that either burn them out or make the air unbreathable would likely remove the threat, though it may not be politically feasible to kill that many people.

          Unless they're protected well enough that isn't going to get them all. I'm of the view that the North Korean artillery position is based on use of nukes by their foes. That means they're hardened against worse than fuel-air bombs.

          • Artillery emplacements generally require a hole to shoot out of.

            • by khallow ( 566160 )
              Open a hatch, fire, and close it. There only needs to be a hole at the moment of shooting.
          • That means they're hardened against worse than fuel-air bombs.

            As it happens, the effect on personnel of a FAE [wikipedia.org] in foxholes, tunnels and bunkers is considerably more drastic than it is to people in the open because the pressure wave is far more concentrated in confined spaces. Unless the NK positions are completely airtight at the time of the blast (which would render them temporarily unusable) you could easily end up with undamaged artillery that's out of action because all of the gun crews are dead. An
      • It's well dug in and been there for 50 years. That means the locations are zeroed. It would be carnage, but wouldn't last nearly as long as the north Koreans hope. The south would have the air from second 1 of the 'war'.

        Fuel air is a nasty new thing against fortifications. Hardened against nukes is not enough. Shockwave reflecting berms do nothing. Also cluster bombs.

        A friend stationed on the DMZ in the early 90s was of the opinion that they were there to keep the south from going north as much as anyt

        • "N Korean military is huge"

          Mainly because it's the only way of ensuring you and your family get fed.

          It's been said that most of the battalions facing SK have no bullets for their weapons because in the event of hostilities commencing the first shots fired would be through the head of the local commanding officers.

          Remember what happened in Iraq in 1991. At least 1/4 of the army simply dropped their weapons and tried to surrender as soon as the americans showed up. The Republican Guard was a different matter

  • by moosehooey ( 953907 ) on Sunday April 17, 2016 @10:41AM (#51926819)

    I feel bad for the rocket scientists who are gonna be executed in some horrible way...

  • Dear leader just decided that the people of North Korea should see first hand what kind of punishment he has in store for the imperialist pigs, so they know why they do not want to live there.

  • Kim Jong Un, using his Cartman voice: "I meant to do that!"

    • by Livius ( 318358 )

      It wouldn't surprise me if he did. An "unsuccessful" test achieves the ideal balance between creating anxiety that will lead to concessions and hand-outs, without actually being dangerous and sparking an unpleasant intervention.

  • Obviously everyone has it wrong. This was just a very, very large firecracker.
  • Better watch out, North Korea! If you keep this up, the UN might write you a sternly worded letter! You'll wither before the might of their disapproving frown! If you really piss them off, they might even submit a motion to consider a vote on a non-binding resolution, at a later date!
    • As soon as NK actually manages to launch a missile that might hit something other than the ocean or the launch site, the members of the UNSC will get arsed to actually care. Stern words are sufficient protection from these rockets.

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      It is worse than that, the U.S. might send John Kerry to talk at them....a very low blow.

  • I don't "favour" NK because its a fascist regime where human rights have no significance at all.

    But, why should we pay attentition to the failures of the NK rocket program, when we should focus more on the successes of this program, and the nuclear program. Because the successes tend to be much more dangerous than the failures.

    Citation: "It was a fiery, catastrophic attempt at a launch that was unsuccessful,"

    Should we now call every exploded - and most importantly unmanned - U.S. military or commercial laun

    • by WheezyJoe ( 1168567 ) <fegg AT excite DOT com> on Sunday April 17, 2016 @01:50PM (#51927633)

      why should we pay attentition to the failures of the NK rocket program

      Because the rocket program has far more significance than the nuclear program. All the nukes in the world don't mean a thing if you can't deliver them. NK may be trying to fuck up Japan and China (the South has kinda learned to live with this shit) so they might ease up on the sanctions and/or take them seriously as a regional power.

      But NK's rockets and nukes are more posturing than tactical. To mean anything, they would have to have the capability to mass-produce these devices (turn them out like sausages, to paraphrase Kruschev back in the day), which NK will never be able to do with their economy. That leaves them with a capacity to, at worst, blow their wad one time, then sit defenseless and receive a crushing retaliation from whatever country their wayward missile fell upon (be a real thing if a missile flew by to mistake China).

      OTOH, the regime needs regularly-scheduled holidays and ceremonies to keep all but its hungriest citizens busy and engaged in non-subversive activities. I offer this [youtube.com] as an amusing, admittedly biased, but actual footage of a visit to NK and their weird cultish every-day required devotion to the founder and the great leader, particularly on their birthdays. They also need to maintain the narrative that they have the strongest army in the world, and that foreign invasion will happen at any time. Indeed, they have a million-man standing army to maintain each day from falling apart under its own weight. Thus, the dog-and-pony show of missiles and parades and nuke tests and two TV channels showing documentaries of how great their country is, until the power gets cut at nightfall.

    • Citation: "It was a fiery, catastrophic attempt at a launch that was unsuccessful,"

      Should we now call every exploded - and most importantly unmanned - U.S. military or commercial launch failiure also a fiery catastrophic attempt?

      You must be new at this. Even the people who LAUNCHED the failed Antares that blew up at Wallops recently referred to it as a "castrophic" failure. It's a word people actually use to describe things like giant exploding rockets.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/... [usatoday.com]

    • In aerospace, a catastrophic failure is one that destroys the test article. Perhaps you're confusing it with "calamitous" or "apocalyptic".

  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Sunday April 17, 2016 @01:22PM (#51927529)
    I wonder how many people will get shot for that blunder?
  • Do we have anything that could take out a missile in the boost phase? Especially if we know when and where the launch is happening?

A person with one watch knows what time it is; a person with two watches is never sure. Proverb

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