Anonymous Declare 'Total War' On Donald Trump, Threaten To 'Dismantle His Campaign' (businessinsider.com) 741
An anonymous reader writes from Business Insider's article: Hackers affiliated with the Anonymous hacktivist collective have vowed to relaunch cyber-operations against US presidential candidate Donald Trump [on April Fools' Day]. They threaten to "dismantle his campaign" by taking his election websites offline in a large-scale and orchestrated distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack. In December 2015, Anonymous officially "declared war" on Trump after a radical speech in which he said Muslims should be banned from entering the United States. The operation at the time resulted in a number of websites being targeted by hackers, but failed to have lasting impact. A new video statement has been posted to YouTube which claims the "loyalists and veterans" of Anonymous have decided to ramp up cyber-operations against Trump -- dubbed #OpTrump -- on a far larger scale than ever before. "Dear Donald Trump, we have been watching you for a long time and what we see is deeply disturbing. Your inconsistent and hateful campaign has not only shocked the United States of America [but] you have shocked the entire planet with your appalling actions and ideas. You say what your audience wants to hear but in reality you don't stand for anything except for your personal greed and power."
The websites targeted in the attack (so far) include trump.com, donaldjtrump.com, and trumphotelcollection.com. In addition, the hacktivists are also planning to release some of Donald Trump's personal information including a SSN, phone number, and contact information of his agent and legal representative.
The websites targeted in the attack (so far) include trump.com, donaldjtrump.com, and trumphotelcollection.com. In addition, the hacktivists are also planning to release some of Donald Trump's personal information including a SSN, phone number, and contact information of his agent and legal representative.
Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
EVERYTIME some group has "declared war", insulted, demeaned, became "outraged", etc. about Trump or supporters, his popularity and support grew.
The actions of this immature group of mother's basement dwelling mouth breathers will only cement their reputations as such and make more Trump supporters.
Just from a rational point of view, shutting down political speech is never a good thing, no matter what that speech is. Because if they can do it to one candidate, it can be done to others.
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4, Insightful)
This is how I feel as well.
It is eerie how similar the Trump rise to the head of the ticket is to the Obama rise. From Iowa in 2008 nobody expected Obama to win anything, then, every state after that where Obama won it was an "upset" to the establishment.
I see the same exact thing happening again.
People want change and they love an underdog.
The more people tell them they are wrong, the more it cements their position.
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~ganjadude
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Ive noticed this as well, its become more and more clear over the past 3 weeks that is the case. I blame Political correctness and SJWs for the rise in trump. its the rubber band effect. the side of political correctness has pushed too far, now its bouncing back in the opposite direction where people are starting to relate to trump due to what some see as non political correct and what others call hate speech. It was bound to happen
And you'd be right. And it's the same reason why Rubio and Cruz lost somewhere around 1m twitter followers between them after they started going off on the "Trump is really the one responsible for what happened in Chicago bit." People are tired of the regressive left doing something, and everyone going "but they're really not to blame...IT'S THE OTHER GUYS...HONEST..." And the second that Kasich decided that the "Illegals are the bestest things evar, and I'm going pro-amnesty" he started dropping in in the polls and losing followers faster then a rock dropping from orbit. People have simply had enough of the establishment pulling this.
Couple of other examples to back up your point, would be the University of Missouri, and the 20% loss of first year students, the $32m budget shortfall, problems retaining students on campus. Their solution? We're gonna do everything we can to get students in! Tell your friends! The email from the temporary dean even went as far as saying that "anyone who'd applied would be accepted as a student." If that doesn't people what happens when absolute craziness from the regressive left and SJW happen, it should by that point.
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
How about blaming the Republican voters who are voting for him?
If Republican voters find Trump to be the candidate who best embodies their political ideas, that's the fault of said voters and their party, not their opponents.
But it's always good to get a reminder of what conservatives actually mean by "personal responsibility": never their fault.
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I blame Political correctness and SJWs for the rise in trump.
The Republicans have also been blamed for resorting to the politics of hate. The best explanation I've seen has two components:
1) The inclination of some people to turn to authoritarianism [vox.com] when times get rough.
2) The concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands is making things rough for the working class. Things aren't really bad yet (like in the great depression) but people's prospects are bleak. They are worse off now than they were 10 years ago without much hope in sight.
If this simple analysis is correct then the problem is not Trump. There are always Trumps around. The problem is that economic times (more accurately, prospects) are bad enough that a sizable fraction of the population is turning to a strongman/bully who promises to protect them even if those promises don't make any rational sense.
This has several implications. First, if there is a successful large-scale terrorist attack in the US then this could easily raise the overall level of fear enough to sweep Trump into the White House. Second, if the powers-that-be stay in power and continue their policies of transferring wealth away from the working class then the levels of economic distress and fear will grow, creating even more support for Trump or the next authoritarian strongman/bully who comes along.
The only real solution is to stop waging economic warfare on the working class. Unfortunately, even if Bernie Sanders gets elected, it is going to be nigh on impossible to quickly change the course of the best government that money could buy.
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This is properly insightful and fact-based analysis. I would add a third component to Trump's rise: the development of an echo chamber on the right that prefers compelling stories to truthful stories. From Swift Boats onwards. While this phenomenon has always been around, the volume (in both senses) has increased dramatically, especially in the past eight years. By the time Trump came onstage, the audience was well and truly warmed up.
It's all grotesque.
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Apart from that one detail you noted, it really isn't. Unless you still think those are the "Whitey Tapes".
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4, Interesting)
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You might be able to count on the Congressional races, if by that you mean the House. But I doubt it. The Republicans have been very effective in gerrymandering districts. This makes me think they based their party on two lies: 1. they were popular because they looked at the House and the state governments and saw many Republicans, and 2. that the rank and file actually believed their philosophy after they chased most of the Bill Buckley types, who could think without blowing a gasket, out of the party leav
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Except that in the Democratic primary race 8 years ago, Obama actually sounded like a sane candidate. Most candidates dropped out after Iowa. And from then on Obama was the front runner and never the underdog. But people didn't think of him as a frontrunner from some reason. Despite any possible Democratic candidate providing change over Dubya's administration, Obama was the only one pushing that message. Clinton was running on a campaign of "I'm the inevitable winner so you may as well vote for me now".
Most of the candidates other than Obama were longer term insiders than Obama, so that probably helped him out a lot. Probably a lot of people tired of both Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush years. Edwards in third place was the only other candidate to get any delegates, there was not a long drawn out multi-way race like we have this year with Republicans (and I swear, I can't remember a damn thing about Edwards campaign). Obama really was very similar to Rubio; first time senator yet treated like an outsider, young with appeal among younger voters, occasional breaches of established party doctrine, etc (I'd have expected Rubio to do much better if the Republican demographics skewed a bit younger).
As for Trump, he didn't even start as an underdog, everyone assumed he was just there because he was bored and needed something to do with his money. His incessant claims that Obama wasn't a citizen meant most politicians of all stripes thought he was a kook so he was ignored. But he never acted like an underdog, from the very start he campaigned as if he were the best and most popular candidate, he just will never shut up about his poll numbers. He actually acts more like a rabid dog than an under dog, always on the attack. And this is really confusing political pundits because he's doing everything wrong and it seems to be working.
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It's working because he's tapped into two demographics Angry at Obama. Old white people who watch Fox News and think Obama is the second coming of Satan, and white supremacists. He's been endorsed by nearly every white supremacist political party. His rallies are FULL of white supremacist supporters. People yelling the N word and other racial slanders.
They like him because when an Asian American born and raised in the US with no accent asks him a question his first response is either "are you American" or "
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4)
You are vastly understating his popularity. He's polling near 50% with Republicans, across almost _all_ demographics and _all_ states. ~25% of this country is not "old white people and white supremacists".
These statements stand in stark contradiction. Once he doesn't have to pander to the base anymore, I see him as a strong general election candidate w/ across-the-aisle support. I also don't know why the Dems are so against him. Between Cruz and Trump, Trump has _far_ more liberal policies/tendencies. He'd actually raise taxes if they pushed for it.
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4, Insightful)
I also don't know why the Dems are so against him. Between Cruz and Trump, Trump has _far_ more liberal policies/tendencies. He'd actually raise taxes if they pushed for it.
Perhaps because they are morally outraged by the idea of a politician rising to power on the back of policies last enacted by Nazis: bans on a religious group entering the country, a national register for a religious group, etc? I do know that my grandma, if she were still alive, would slap me in the face for forgetting our family's history and her murdered aunts, uncles and cousins, if I so much as contemplated voicing even mild support for Trump. And she'd be right to do so.
Whether he believes in these policies or sentiments is besides the point. He is creating a safe space for these ideas to creep back into political life, and that is a pernicious legacy that will cause great harm irrespective of whether he is elected or not.
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4, Informative)
How does a moderate candidate get past the primaries to run for President in our polarized two-party system? By highlighting his few extremist views to appeal to extremists in one party during the primaries to win the nomination, then coming back to center in the general election to win over the mainstream.
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I went to a Trump rally. It was about 40% brown peoples. Your move, ignoramus.
Hmmm...50% of Mobile, Alabama's 200,000 residents are black. But none of them seemed to make it to Trump's rally there.
http://i.imgur.com/y9j49Dh.jpg
Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:4, Insightful)
This is how I feel as well.
It is eerie how similar the Trump rise to the head of the ticket is to the Obama rise. From Iowa in 2008 nobody expected Obama to win anything, then, every state after that where Obama won it was an "upset" to the establishment.
I see the same exact thing happening again.
People want change and they love an underdog.
The more people tell them they are wrong, the more it cements their position.
I honestly see almost nothing in common.
Obama came from relative obscurity starting small and expected to stay small, Trump was already a huge celebrity starting huge who people expected to implode.
Obama was seen as a current and future star of the party (just not the nominee that year), Trump was first seen as a joke and then an existential threat.
Obama sold hope, Trump sells fear.
Obama is a minority, came from a relatively middle class family, and stayed middle class for much of his adult life, Trump is white, from extreme wealth, and more or less stayed that way.
Obama's fundamental appeal was leading forward progress for a better tomorrow, Trump's is forcefully repealing progress to return to a better past.
Aside from the fact they were both underdogs they're almost polar opposites.
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Re:Morons Just Don't Understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Just from a rational point of view, shutting down political speech is never a good thing, no matter what that speech is. Because if they can do it to one candidate, it can be done to others.
Indeed. A fascist approach does not become any better because some "good" guys use it or because the goal is "noble".
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I agree. I think now is the time to go underground, train, and enhance our skills. This megalomaniac seems to feed on attention. Attacking him will only vindicate his authority. Once he steps out of line, we must infiltrate and dismantle his operation from inside.
Until then, we use every legal method to keep him out of power. Vote! Encourage others to vote. Don't let anyone stay home on the day of the election. We must have lots of power to subvert these angry masses and bring an end to the few who
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And the thing is the real hotheads among his supporters crave the catharsis of a confrontation. Being declared "war" against suits them right down to the ground.
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Exactly.
Perhaps they shouldn't take down his sites, but distribute the movie that Trump himself suppressed [trumpthemovie.com]. He threatened to sue any broadcaster who aired the movie [trumpthemovie.com], which was really created to show celebrity businessmen.
And that was 25 years ago. Either it's a bunch of lies and Trump is right, or there's some real content in there that perhaps shouldn't be released?
Re:Lying about him makes it worse - he really is b (Score:4, Informative)
My favourite trump moments:
- Announcing that not only will he build a wall along the border, but he'll make Mexico pay for it.
- -Suggesting doing so by seizing assets from Mexican companies in the US.
-- Suggesting doing so by declaring war upon Mexico and just invading.
- Performing a mocking caricature of a reporter's disability.
-- Outright denying he ever did any such thing, even though it was caught on video, recorded, broadcast on national TV and uploaded to youtube.
- Proposing that all Muslims should be forbidden from entering the country, regardless of citizenship, with the sole exception of those serving in the military.
Somebody is fighting irrelevance... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think Anonymous is largely irrelevant and powerless these days and its members know it.
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I think that was the case back when they tried to raise a banner against the Mexican drug cartels a few years back... the nanosecond that shit got real (that is, when one of their Mexican brethren got a few subtle threats in real life, as opposed to online), they backed off and shut down that idea almost instantly.
It's one thing to wield some semblance of power if the thing you're trying to change is solely online, but once you go after changes off-the-wire, it's a whole different ballgame.
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That I have not really checked whether they ever were different ;-)
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They did seriously hurt the church of scientology. The church easily repaired the damage, but it left their reputation in ruins - not a shred of respect left for them, a laughing-stock. Their recruitment was hurt so badly they had to refocus expansion into the developing world, where people hadn't yet heard of their cultish ways.
That was many years ago, though.
There's a much easier solution to Trump (Score:5, Insightful)
Vote.
Taking down servers, defacing websites... all petty vandalism. Vote on election day; the one day when your voice is heard and counts.
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They aren't allowed out of the basement.
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And they only really #FeelTheBurn when their mom doesn't let their Hot Pockets cool off before she brings them downstairs.
Re:There's a much easier solution to Trump (Score:5, Funny)
Free speech...publicizing contacts (Score:3, Insightful)
Were they wearing brown shirts when they "declared war" on a candidate exercising his right to free speech? Have they forgotten why free speech is a good thing in the first place or are we just going straight to "thought police" mode?
>> contact information of his agent and legal representative
Um...isn't this information public anyway? What's an "agent" or a "representative" worth if they can't be contacted?
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>> taking his election websites offline
Were they wearing brown shirts when they "declared war" on a candidate exercising his right to free speech? Have they forgotten why free speech is a good thing in the first place or are we just going straight to "thought police" mode?
No, they wear masks. Guy Fawkes masks, to be precise. I wonder if they appreciate the irony of that position?
Re:Free speech...publicizing contacts (Score:5, Insightful)
Were they wearing brown shirts when they "declared war" on a candidate exercising his right to free speech?
The irony here, is that the Nazis used disruption to come to power. The Nazis only had a few folks in parliament, but through disruption, they managed to derail the democratic process and grind the operation of government to a halt.
I bet these "protesters" would be surprised to learn that they are using tried and trusted methods of the Nazis.
And the most famous "Total War" speech I can think of was the one made by Joseph Goebbels.
Even Bernie said on the weekend, "You have a right to protest. You do not have a right to disrupt."
Now if only the people who think they are supporting him would only listen to him.
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the vote itself (Score:5, Insightful)
As much as I despise DT himself, do they not understand the impact of their self-righteous vigilantism?
If they'd just *quietly* attacked him, slowly DDOS'ing his sites and businesses, it could have been months before the news got out, all the while doing damage to the campaign.
But the "look how awesome we are fighting evil" grandstanding is going to resonate in PRECISELY the opposite way with the bulk of US voters who will - I guarantee you - sympathize with him against a 'shadowy internet mafia'.
The only way they're going to HURT him now is if you're able to hack the voting machines; thankfully Diebold almost certainly installed backdoors for (the Republicans/the Democrats/the Russians/the Illuminati/whatever cabal you prefer to fear) so maybe that's still possible.
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I dont agree with some of the results of their work. But "quietly" doing something isnt an option for their style of organisation, which is basically an angry mob.
They need to get the word out and fire people up to have an effect.
There is talk by "experts" that hating Donald Drumpf only makes him more popular, but thats a pretty lame excuse, it wont scale. All the angry outsiders who are going to support him probably already do.
Rallying the opposition is a good strategy now.
I vs I (Score:5, Insightful)
Time to fight idiocy with idiocy?
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They do not stand a chance. Trump has perfected that approach.
Words mean more than actions to Anonymous... (Score:5, Insightful)
No, I'm not a Trump supporter. Yes, I support offering refuge to Syrian refugees.
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Obama at least keeps up the pretense of being a modern human being. Trump does not. While the former is pretty bad, the latter is worse as it encourages a lot of cowards to act in the same spirit.
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FORMER DRONE OPERATORS SAY THEY WERE “HORRIFIED” BY CRUELTY OF ASSASSINATION PROGRAM https://theintercept.com/2015/... [theintercept.com]
Re:Words mean more than actions to Anonymous... (Score:4, Insightful)
Say what you will but Obama put in place some strict restrictions on strikes and he took the fight to the leadership, not the foot soldiers. His campaign effectively neutered Al Queda because the leadership had to stay in such strict hiding. Most of the Bush strikes targeted low/mid ranking fighters often in their homes with kids and relatives present.
Under Bush one of the first drone strikes targeted a man for being tall. Seriously, they shot a hellfire at a guy for being tall. They also routinely hit houses full of women and kids to get one guy. Under Obama the rules of engagement changed dramatically, the rules now require that there be no known civilian casualties. Most of the time now they watch people for days and wait for them to get isolated in a car with other fighters on some lonely highway before they hit them. The number of civilians killed in strikes has dramatically decreased. The Islamist routinely kill far more Muslims than the US now. In fact this was one of Bin Ladin's greatest fears and why he tried to stop Al Qaeda in Iraq was because they were routinely killing hundreds of Muslims including lots of women and children while the US was occasionally killing 4 or 5 fighters and no women and kids. ISIS has done more damage to the Jihadies sympathies with Muslims than the US could ever undue.Obama deserves credit for halting the indiscriminate killings with bombs and missiles and focusing his fight on the leadership. Something that Clinton had focused on and Bush had thrown to the wayside.
Re:Words mean more than actions to Anonymous... (Score:5, Informative)
Under Obama the rules of engagement changed dramatically, the rules now require that there be no known civilian casualties.
You do know that this is achieved by decreeing that all males of military age are automatically considered militants? So the rules achieved "no known civilian casualties" by assuming that if you are killed then you were a militant. (Citation [washingtonsblog.com])
The number of civilians killed in strikes has dramatically decreased.
Citation needed -- including who counts as "civilian" in this decrease.
Obama deserves credit for halting the indiscriminate killings with bombs and missiles
Obama has appointed himself as a Judge/Jury/Executioner, and redefined words (such as "imminent threat" or "indiscriminate killings") rather than halted anything. Citation [nytimes.com]
Whose side are you on? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hackers affiliated with Anonymous threaten to "dismantle [Trump's] campaign" by taking his election websites offline in a large-scale and orchestrated distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack.
Trump isn't running a web-based campaign.
But he is damn good at demonizing his enemies and making then look like fools when they try to take him down.
How SJW of them! (Score:3, Insightful)
Trump says something they don't like and they whine and try to bully him into silence any way they can.
Just like crybully SJWs
Could you get anymore undemocratic? (Score:2, Interesting)
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We've even survived bad presidents because there is a system of checks and balances.
As has been pointed out in several places, like NPR just this morning, the President can do a lot of things within his/her area of power/responsibility - that won't involve checks and balances - like deporting people and bombing places overseas, regardless of whether those things would be good for the US.
because a sober electorate is dangerous (Score:2)
If it was good enough for George Washington, it's good enough for me. Excuse me, I have to go to the outhouse...
False Flag operation against Anonymous? (Score:5, Interesting)
The group that is thought to have killed ORCA (Karl Rove's magic Republican Party database ploy to ficitiously win Ohio) was Anonymous. Their calibre of work is far, far beyond what this announcement promises. I suspect this is a False Flag operation aimed at boosting Trump "victimization" rhetoric while lumping in Anymous with supposed Mexican rapists and Trump's other favourite targets.
Has groupthink paranoia reached peak yet? (Score:2)
Standard disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. I think his statements are way too off the wall to be taken seriously, although I do like that he was the first to come out critical of H1Bs, but offhand it's the only thing I would say I've liked and can take seriously (or as serious as you can take anything he might say).
That being said, the groupthink paranoia about him is reaching amazing heights. I *still* put the odds of him winning the Republican primary at less than 50-50 and think his negative num
Clinton or possibly even Sanders... (Score:3)
...and think his negative numbers are way too high to defeat Clinton or possibly even Sanders.
Actually, you should say "and think his negative numbers are way too high to defeat Sanders or possibly even Clinton." I say that because in hypothetical Clinton-Trump and Sanders-Trump matchups, Sanders appears to consistently fair better according to the polling data:
Clinton-Trump [realclearpolitics.com]
Sanders-Trump [realclearpolitics.com]
Averaging five or more polls in a Clinton-Trump matchup currently, Clinton wins by 6.3% on average.
Averaging five or more polls in a Sanders-Trump matchup currently, Sanders wins by 10% on average.
I didn't know they were working for Cruz (Score:4, Interesting)
Furthermore, what is the benefit of destroying Trump right now when the GOP nomination contest is still officially undecided? It would make more sense to try to derail him later when it is down to the general election. If there is anything Drumpf hates above all else it is losing.
A SSN? (Score:2)
How many Social Security Numbers does he have?
Sure be his bogeyman I'm sure he can use you fools (Score:2)
I bet he paints anonymous as a threat to democracy and all the patriots will go "Booyah!" in support.
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Anonymous has just painted *itself* as a threat to democracy. Trump will consider it an endorsement.
Get out the pop-corn (Score:4, Insightful)
Politics and humanity's future aside, this election is turning out to be THE most exciting one of my life-time.
In terms of entertainment value, I never thought they'd top Palin. I was flat wrong. She was just the warm-up act.
And it's not just Trump. Sanders adds a different spin, kind of like the grumpy Lorax who only comes out of the wood-work when things get too screwy, shaking his finger: "BEWARE!"
Dr. Seuss couldn't script a zanier election. (He'd run out of ink for Trump's hair anyhow.)
Outsourcing, offshoring, automation, inequality, leaky borders, and a confused mid-east together seem to be making a lot of people very nervous, giving non-traditional candidates attention they otherwise wouldn't get. The world is changing and the old ways of viewing things politically don't seem to apply anymore. The electorate is ready to experiment.
a waste of time & effort (Score:2)
Again? (Score:2)
To repeat a comment of mine in that submission [slashdot.org]:
Prioritize (Score:5, Insightful)
There's vigilanteism, and then there's disrupting an election. People attempting to silence political opinions that they disagree with are a far greater threat to civilization than Trump is.
I really don't want to take Trump's side on anything but in this case there is no contest.
Of course, the Trump phenomenon goes away on its own as soon as the Republican Party puts up a candidate worth voting for. The problem is they've never done that before and they don't know where to start.
Streisand effect. (Score:2)
Apparently, Anonymous has never heard of the Streisand effect.
Forget the Muslims (Score:5, Funny)
Trump's being attacked by the 72 virgins.
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That does it (Score:2)
I'm voting for Barbara Streisand.
No Longer a Fan of Anonymous (Score:5, Insightful)
To a certain extent I was a fan of some of Anonymous' shenanigans, but this isn't right. I am by no means a fan of Donald Trump, and the electoral system is far from perfect, but to have a third party with foreign membership fucking with our elections is a direct attack on our democratic ideals (flawed though they may be).
Anonymous - please fuck off. You aren't the Robin Hoods of the Internet any more.
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That's funny. Your President is coming to the UK soon to strike fear into the UK population about voting to leave the European Union in our June referendum. Before you get all high and mighty about other people interfering in your elections please stop interfering in other country's business yourselves.
I do believe our President was invited to go to the UK. It's not a one-manned invasion.
Idiots (Score:5, Insightful)
No one gets it. (Score:5, Insightful)
The media, the republicans, the democrats and now Anonymous - they all don't get it. If you QUIT talking about Trump, quit showing him on the news he would become irrelevant and people would forget about him. The more people talk about him, berate him, attack him, show him all over the T.V. the more popular he gets.
If they REALLY want to get rid of Trump they need to IGNORE him! Just stop talking about him, stop putting his face all over T.V., he will just go away and people will forget about him. I mean really, it's not rocket science folks. But then again.... Maybe they all WANT hm to WIN. It could be you know....
We should be spending more of our time hammering the candidates about the problem with the H1B Visa program - like SHUTTING IT DOWN! This is what's really affecting people! Think Disney, Hertz, and all the others that are destroying American jobs for CHEAP foreign labor.
ISIS (Score:4, Informative)
I'm glad to see Anonymous's war on ISIS has been completed successfully.
Or maybe the people involved are starting high school soon.
Re:Yawn... (Score:5, Insightful)
Do they know anything about democracy? Let the people not choose Trump as President and that's all. Left the democracy alone and get a life anonymous kids.
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"Because we classify cyberwarfare as a form of warfare"
You mean the US has already declared war on the rest of the world with the NSA's actions?
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Re:~50% (Score:5, Insightful)
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If Hilary doesn't count as a psychopath, then what the hell is she? Well, I mean, beyond somebody who if we lived in a just world would be in prison right now.
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You've had 20+ years of searching to find anything on her, and you still can only wave your hands and say the word "prison" without even an accusation. Derpyderpderp!
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Would you believe that half of Washington is composed of psychopaths? I don't think that's much of a stretch.
Re:Nothing to see. (Score:5, Insightful)
Among other things, "other people" are not running for President of the United States of America.
With Hillary, yeah, you could say "so what if she's corrupt as shit and lies through her teeth? Don't all politicians do that?" And I think most politicians today are at least somewhat like that, but I feel that she's worse than average, at least worse than average among Democrats. But still, if nobody better were running, sure, she might be the least of all evils and many people would overlook that, well, cause she's a Democrat with a capital D (it worked for Bill). And she's a Woman, too, and don't we all want to elect the first female president, regardless of who she is?
But actually, all of her scandals and the awkward things she says (to put it very politely, I really mean the incessant stream of bald-faced lies) are sort of never-ending, with another scandal or mis-statement right around the corner seemingly daily, and are signs of a much deeper problem. And that problem is the whole reason why so many people are so thoroughly disgusted with politics and the entire American political system in the first place. Therefore, since they're trying to change that oligarchic, plutocratic, corporatistic, corrupt, war-oriented system of power and money that's taken away our democracy and ignored the voters (aside from lying to them to try to get votes), and since she's the shining example of everything that is wrong with that system, why would they want to vote for her? Why would they refrain from calling out her corruption and lies every time they see them?
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How come every conservative has forgotten about this? They're all out for Hillary's blood without noting that she's following precedent by President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. I will gladly support her prosecution for this
Re:The Tepublican machine tells us (Score:5)
She still hasn't released those speeches she gave to wall street - one of which she was paid $415,00 for. She only changed her position on same-sex marriage after it was obvious which way the wind was blowing. She sent secret information to people who were not supposed to be privy to it (to which the email server is just incidentally involved).
That's three to start.
The current FBI investigation [msnbc.com] has been going on since last August, but only confirmed in February. And this has nothing to do with republicans - this is an FBI probe under a Democratic president.
Clinton is Not liked or trusted by a majority of the voters. [gallup.com]
On the positive side, 8% of Americans say they like her, 7% describe her as capable and qualified, 5% as experienced, 3% as strong and 3% as a good politician. Smaller percentages consider her honest or smart.
Overall, 29% of Americans offer a positive observation about Clinton while 51% express something negative. The rest have either a neutral comment or no opinion. This loosely fits with her overall image among national adults as measured on Gallup tracking, which is 42% favorable and 51% unfavorable.
These are the same number she had in 2008, and she lost then. The only candidate with overall positive numbers as Sanders.
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My dad's convinced someone has recordings of those speeches and the only reason we haven't seen them is that someone wants to release them post nomination like that Romney speech.
Re:Nothing to see. (Score:5, Insightful)
You forgot the part about policies regarding classified information... the laws regarding which she is being investigated for
Oops!
Sorry to destroy your narrative.
Re:all smoke, no fire (Score:4)
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I fucking hate the idea of Billary as President, but lets not pretend the reason she is bad is because she has committed crimes. Let's just admit she hasn't done anything out of the ordinary, and that is what disqualifies her.
I believe if an ordinary employee had done what she had done, they at minimum would have been fired, and potentially would have gone to prison. If they were a whisteblower, they almost surely would have gone to prison as retaliation: http://www.washingtontimes.com... [washingtontimes.com]
I also believe her "Foundation" is a tax-free piggy bank for her to pay salaries to cronies (at the minimum) that lobbyists looking for influence contribute to, on top of any money she or Bill makes from speaking engagements.
Let's just admit she hasn't done anything out of the ordinary
Perhaps in the sense
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Re:~50% (Score:5, Insightful)
I feel the best way to destroy the Trump campaign is to keep letting people hear him.
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Re:~50% (Score:4, Interesting)
Who cares? RealClearPolitics also predicted Clinton with a 20+ point lead in Michigan [realclearpolitics.com], and you can see how that turned out. If polls this election season are proving anything, it is that the people who participate in polls and the people who actually vote are 2 different groups.
Even so, who cares about Clinton? According to that site, the only people she beats are Trump and Carson (who dropped out). Sanders beats any Republican opponent [realclearpolitics.com]. If the Democrats wanted to ensure that the Republicans lose then they would nominate Bernie.
You know, assuming that polls mean anything now.
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Re:~50% (Score:5, Insightful)
If I were American I would vote for Sanders. However, if the choice was between Trump and H. Clinton it would be a close call, I'm not sure which of those I dislike the most. My guess is that Trump is a little less a warmonger than Clinton.
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Except that with Clinton, you pretty much know what you're getting: more of the same. With Trump... there's no telling what he might do. He *might* make some interesting changes. He also *might* invade Mexico. Better off with Clinton. Things could be much worse, and with Trump, there's a risk they will be.
I understand he's paying the legal fees of the brownshirts who attack protesters.
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Except that with Clinton, you pretty much know what you're getting: more of the same. With Trump... there's no telling what he might do. He *might* make some interesting changes. He also *might* invade Mexico. Better off with Clinton. Things could be much worse, and with Trump, there's a risk they will be.
Considering how insecure he is, such as publicly rebutting Rubio during the primary debate regarding the size of his member, all Iran would need to do to destroy the U.S. during a Trump presidency would be to taunt him saying he is too much of a wuss to handle a war with Russia. And his supporters would say nonsense like "Yeah! We gotta give it to those Commie Soviets!"
Help save us from Cruz (Score:3)
Trump is our only hope to stop Ted Cruz.
Trump just likes to shoot off his mouth. Cruz really is evil.
For god's sake, don't stop Trump-- stop Cruz.
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Again... because... ?
The 'worst' I read about Cruz seemed to be:
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But they're not going after ALL of Trump's websites!
No mention of going after cnn.com, msnbc.com, or any of the network news sites.
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Actually, I'm reminded of a recent incident in which I believe I was censored by Bernie's fanatics for saying that Hillary wasn't such a bad option compared to Trump and his associates.
I would agree with you. As far as the candidates go, Hillary is a pretty benign establishment Republican.