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Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina Near Launching Presidential Bid 353

Rambo Tribble writes Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina announced on Fox News Sunday that she stood a 'higher than 90 percent' chance of running as a presidential candidate in 2016. Fiorina's tenure at HP was marked by controversy over her leadership, and it is unclear what level of name recognition she enjoys. Her only previous political experience appears to be a failed U.S. Senate seat effort in 2010, as the Republican candidate challenging sitting Democrat Barbara Boxer, in California. Fiorina lost by 10%.
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Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina Near Launching Presidential Bid

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  • Oh goody (Score:5, Funny)

    by Rinikusu ( 28164 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:46PM (#49365703)

    Maybe she can fire Congress and fill their positions with H1Bs. Not like they can do any worse.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Maybe she can fire Congress and fill their positions with H1Bs. Not like they can do any worse.

      Wait until the SCOTUS tells states that immigration enforcement is a federal matter, and that states therefore cannot prevent illegal immigrants from voting or holding elected office. That's basically your joke come true.

      • Wait until the SCOTUS tells states that immigration enforcement is a federal matter, and that states therefore cannot prevent illegal immigrants from voting or holding elected office.

        While some elected office require citizenship, not all do, in case you are unaware.

        However, voting requires citizenship at local, state, or federal level.

        Which means that even if SCOTUS says that immigration enforcement is a Federal issue (it is, frankly), that won't result in any new voters until citizenship requirements are

        • Have to start somewhere:DC Considers Allowing Non-Citizens to Vote [weeklystandard.com]

          • Re:Oh goody (Score:4, Informative)

            by Fire_Wraith ( 1460385 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @04:20PM (#49366711)
            The Constitution doesn't tell the States (or DC for that matter) who can vote in their internal elections, or what sort of form those can take, save that it guarantees them a "republican form of government," meaning essentially that your state can't decide to replace its legislature with a hereditary Monarchy for instance. Most states mimic the federal government in form (executive, bicameral legislature, etc) but not all do - Nebraska for instance has a unicameral (one house) legislature.

            The States though have some reasonable discretion at how they run their elections. While I find it difficult to think of a situation where a State might have more strict requirements for voting in its non-Federal election, there is precedent for a State allowing someone who can't vote in a federal election to vote in a state election. Prior to the 26th Amendment lowering the voting age to 18, many States already allowed 18 year olds to vote in non-federal elections, and the Supreme Court upheld that Congress had the right to regulate the minimum age in federal elections, but not at the state and local level.

            Now, whether that would extend to citizenship would be an interesting question, but there's certainly precedent for it in terms of both age and women being allowed to vote in state/local elections, when they could not do so in federal elections.
            • by AK Marc ( 707885 )

              Prior to the 26th Amendment lowering the voting age to 18, many States already allowed 18 year olds to vote in non-federal elections, and the Supreme Court upheld that Congress had the right to regulate the minimum age in federal elections, but not at the state and local level.

              What's odd is that Congress would have been able to require 21+ to vote for a congressman, but not for president. The presidential elections are not federal elections. Congress could require the electors in the Electoral college be 25+ or whatever they like, but not the ages of the state voters selecting them, that's a local election, not a federal one.

      • SCOTUS can go jump. For most of this country's history immigration was a state matter. Go read your history and you'll see that states controlled immigration, and the feds stepped in only when requested. It makes sense when you read the word "state" as "country", the way it was meant to be by the Founders.
  • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:47PM (#49365707) Homepage

    She can follow up on her work at HP and merge the Democrat and Republican parties together. That should make things much more efficient, increase shareholder value and offer synergies to enhance international competition.

    • Re:This is great! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:57PM (#49365757)

      I thought they'd already merged. They both do pretty much the same thing when they're in power.

    • . . . you forgot the part about how she is going to lay off Americans . . . revoke their citizenship, and force them to leave the country, and try their luck elsewhere in the world.

      She also ditched the old concept of "The HP Way". I'm guessing that she will change the "Pledge of Allegiance, to the Flag" to "With Freedom and Justice . . . for the Rich".

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by sphealey ( 2855 )

      What's a "Democrat Party"? Whig, Republican, Bull Moose, and Democratic are some major US political parties that come to mind but I don't recall a "Democrat Party" from the history textbooks.

      sPh

      • Re:This is great! (Score:4, Informative)

        by r1348 ( 2567295 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @03:08PM (#49366367)

        Nitpicking, or complete lack of imagination?

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by sphealey ( 2855 )

          "Democrat Party" is a slur, originally developed by Jesse Helms and later picked up and expanded upon by Karl Rove, intended to take away from Democrats - that is, members of the Democratic Party, the right to choose their own name.

          As Theon can tell you having an entity that is attempting to obtain dominance over you impose a name not of your choosing is not a good thing. Members of the Democratic Party have been pretty vigilant about this since George W. Bush started doing it regularly. Hard right wing r

        • Nitpicking, or complete lack of imagination?

          "Democrat Party" is what conservatives call it because the idea of a "democratic party" offends them. You don't hear too much mention of the "Republic Party".

          So, nitpicking if you will. Refusal to accept a slur, if you won't.

    • Re:This is great! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by catchblue22 ( 1004569 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @04:58PM (#49366899) Homepage

      She can follow up on her work at HP and merge the Democrat and Republican parties together. That should make things much more efficient, increase shareholder value and offer synergies to enhance international competition.

      Or she can sell off the US government's core technological assets and turn America into a hollow corporate brand name that creates almost nothing. Just like she did with HP when she sold off HP's advanced technology division as Agilent, and changed HP from a technological powerhouse into a brand-name for shitty computers and components.

  • Simplr math ... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbarahudson@gm ... om minus painter> on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:48PM (#49365711) Journal
    Since she has a greater than 90% chance of running, she has a greater than 90% chance of losing. This truly is a case of "the only way not to lose is not to play the game."
  • by MouseTheLuckyDog ( 2752443 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:50PM (#49365717)

    when I see how she thinks she has any possibility to win, especially given her tenure at HP.

    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:01PM (#49366049) Journal
      Would you rather have her, or President Cruz?

      Now, I remember rumors that when she was fired, engineers at HP spontaneously started singing, "Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead."

      She was the most powerful business woman in the world for a while. And that's how people remember her. If she can build on that reputation, she has a chance.

      I don't think she can build on that reputation, and I don't think she has a chance......but she does.
      • by Necron69 ( 35644 ) <jscott.farrow@gm ... l.com minus poet> on Sunday March 29, 2015 @04:11PM (#49366651)

        That isn't a rumor. I was there, and yes, people did burst into song. I've never worked for a more hated CEO. She sure as Hell isn't getting my vote for anything.

        - Necron69

      • by meglon ( 1001833 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @05:01PM (#49366919)
        Are you sure that's what she's remembered for?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]

        Fiorina frequently has been ranked as one of the worst CEOs of all time.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/am... [cbsnews.com]

        http://www.cnbc.com/id/3050209... [cnbc.com]

        http://usatoday30.usatoday.com... [usatoday.com]

        http://ca.complex.com/pop-cult... [complex.com]

        Oh... and this....

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    • by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:54PM (#49366309)

      This is a CEO syndrome. You're surrounded all day by sycophants who claim you're the smartest, brightest, and wisest person they know. No matter what obscure VP you go to visit they all seem to recognize you on sight, so clearly you've got name and face recognition. All of your decisions are praised. Most of the time even the board of directors treat you like their best friend.

    • by Fire_Wraith ( 1460385 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @04:25PM (#49366727)
      Depends on what she's really running for. Recent history indicates that a lot of the second tier candidates for the Republican nomination have managed to sufficiently raise their profile in so doing, and gone on to reasonably lucrative work as commentators on various news networks, especially Fox.

      Or, as someone snarked to me about one candidate or another recently, "He/she's running for a Commentator spot on Fox, not for President."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:53PM (#49365731)

    Don't forget she killed Lucent which resulted in Bell Labs being sold off to the French in a fire sale. She's evil. She's definitely prepared for a career in politics.

  • Echo chamber (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @12:57PM (#49365755)
    What sort of echo chamber does this woman live in to think she's got a good record as a manager to run on? Romney at least made real money and ran a real state government. Fiorina started lots of pissing contests, got booted by the shareholders for loosing money and assets, and lost a senate (not even governor's) race. Wow.
    • she's got lots of money. Also, she has connections with other folks who have lots of money. It's not echo chamber. She doesn't need a good record, just enough to bury the past. If you're old enough to remember Regan he didn't have much to run on, but his ad campaigns were _fantastic_. It's morning in America, and everything's just a little bit brighter because you voted for Regan...

      Also people like to forget she basically won the California Gubernatorial race until an epic, almost legendary gaff during
      • Re:Money (Score:4, Informative)

        by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbarahudson@gm ... om minus painter> on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#49365873) Journal
        She was stupid enough to say this:

        Fiorina said she could appeal to voters with a “deep understanding of how the economy actually works, having started as a secretary and become the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world.”

        If she's running on that "record", she's dead in the water.

        • by khasim ( 1285 )

          And that's not all. From her Wikipedia page:

          Following an August 4, 2010, federal court ruling that Proposition 8 was unconstitutional, Fiorina expressed disagreement with the ruling, saying that California voters spoke clearly against same-sex unions when a majority approved the proposition in 2008.

          And she wants to lead the Executive Branch?

          Majority != Constitutional.

          And she's got a bit of money. So .... what's she been doing with it AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL to help with any of the "problems" that she's talk

          • states rights vs federal. the state constitution in cali from my understanding does in fact give the rights to the people on these props. the federal courts went against the constitution claiming cali went against the constitution
      • by Alomex ( 148003 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:46PM (#49365981) Homepage

        If you're old enough to remember Regan he didn't have much to run on

        I'm as ant-Reagan as they come, but I'm sorry, his two terms as governor of California look positively scholarly compared to the lack of experience from Fiorina.

        almost on the California Gubernatorial race until an epic legendary gaff during a debate cost her the election.

        Coulda woulda shoulda. But I seriously doubt this is true since she never ran for Governor.

        • “If we want mainstream and the middle class going and growing again, we’ve got to get small and family-owned businesses going and growing again,” she said.

          She has the experience - she made a large business into a much smaller business. It's like "how do you get a million dollars?" "start with 10 million."

        • She ran for Senate (in 2010) in California, not Governor. Perhaps you're thinking of Meg Whitman, who ran for Governor of California?
      • Also people like to forget she basically won the California Gubernatorial race...

        They probably forget this because it's not true. Did you confuse her with Meg Whitman? In any case, both of them lost pretty badly, despite pouring mountains of their own money into their races.

    • by quax ( 19371 )

      Your point is well taken, but then look at the other contenders in the Republican camp. If there's any group of people who can make Fiorina look good in comparison in must be Ted Cruz et al.

    • a very rich echo chamber who will be pilfering her pockets some more.
  • She won't really stand out in the crowd of crazy that the GOP is already assembling.
    • I'm not so sure. The rest of the GOP pack is a bunch of people who have been politicians for most of their life.

      Fiorina does kind of stand out as someone who has led a large company. Which would be better for her if her leadership wasn't absolutely terrible.

      • The rest of the GOP pack is a bunch of people who have been politicians for most of their life.

        We could still see the godfather's pizza guy, and Trump keeps teasing us about planning to run as well. We also have Rand Paul, who is definitely running and was busy doing non-government stuff before running for senate. And don't forget that the last president from the GOP - as much as they encourage us to forget him - had more years of experience in business than in government.

        Fiorina does kind of stand out as someone who has led a large company. Which would be better for her if her leadership wasn't absolutely terrible.

        Don't forget, though, terrible leadership in business generally ends up ranking as "above average". HP does still exist as a

        • by Ihlosi ( 895663 )
          P does still exist as a company,

          That's because it started out large enough to have quite a bit of momentum.

  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:38PM (#49365941) Homepage

    during her tree felling heydays at HP, I'm not surprised at the chutzpah that would be required for her to think that she could be president.

    And her total lack of self-awareness to understand that she doesn't have a snow-ball's chance in hell.

    I don't see her being anything approaching a serious candidate.

    myke

  • Since when does a series of lackluster to poor stints in upper management and no experience in public affairs make someone a serioius candidate for President?
  • by gestalt_n_pepper ( 991155 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:43PM (#49365959)

    ...when you can fuck up the world? Yes, let's put an MBA with a BA in philosophy and medieval history in charge of the USA. I mean, wouldn't *you* give the nuclear codes to the MBAs in your company? What could possibly go wrong?

    • by jd2112 ( 1535857 )

      ...when you can fuck up the world? Yes, let's put an MBA with a BA in philosophy and medieval history in charge of the USA. I mean, wouldn't *you* give the nuclear codes to the MBAs in your company? What could possibly go wrong?

      What do you mean? Surely the nuclear codes are an underutilized asset that money can be made on. There are several highly motivated buyers mostly in the middle-east. You know those new HP servers that the government is going to buy aren't going to buy themselves. (Odd, for some reason HP is the only manufacturer that is able to meet new purchase requirements. And they are a mere 5000% markup over retail).

  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @01:43PM (#49365961) Homepage Journal

    So she can finish bottoming out the economy, put the country into full repo, and then all government forms will come with 17 pages of ads and all government websites will auto-load crapware and malware?

    May Fiorina burn in hell!

  • Because HP went so well!

  • by Snufu ( 1049644 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:00PM (#49366043)

    "My plan for America will build on my spectacularly successful tenure atop Hewlett Packard. Therefore, if selected as president by the board members of the U.S. at A I promise to:

    1. Sell California to China, because the state never produced anything of value.
    2. Merge the supreme court, the FBI, and NASA, because that's the kind of outside the box thinking this country needs.
    3. Focus on our core competence: T-shirt manufacturing. We can out-compete third world countries in this area.
    4. After my policies have led the country to the top of Fortune 500, I'll ride my golden parachute to Mars.

    Thank you!"

  • If she says and does what the GOP want to hear, and follows the lead of her handlers exactly, she has a shot of running. Once campaigning, she needs to be a great debater, not get flustered or defensive when presented with her failures.. Promise to go along with all the factions of the GOP by using language that they all want to hear, while staying flexible, if possible. Be likable and convincing to the American people. Don't be a snobbish ass. Look good but not glamorous. Don't focus on how you ran a large
  • Hooray!!! (Score:5, Funny)

    by frank_adrian314159 ( 469671 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @02:23PM (#49366147) Homepage

    The R's are filling up the clown car again. Will THE Donald be next? Or will Sarah Palin try to climb in hatchback before he and Teddy Cruz can lock it? Maybe Jebediah will announce! Then the banksters can masturbate their piles of money over all of them and they will coast to victory!

  • This woman has destroyed everything she touched.

  • Goalposts (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Livius ( 318358 ) on Sunday March 29, 2015 @05:02PM (#49366921)

    I would speculate she is not competent enough for certain voters and not irrational enough for certain others, but by participating as a candidate, she will have an effect on which other candidates will be viable, by making others look good or bad by comparison.

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