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UN Backs Fossil Fuel Divestment Campaign 190

mdsolar sends this report from The Guardian: The UN organization in charge of global climate change negotiations is backing the fast-growing campaign persuading investors to sell off their fossil fuel assets. It said it was lending its "moral authority" to the divestment campaign because it shared the ambition to get a strong deal to tackle global warming at a crunch UN summit in Paris in December.

The move is likely to be controversial as the economies of many nations at the negotiating table heavily rely on coal, oil and gas. In 2013, coal-reliant Poland hosted the UNFCCC summit and was castigated for arranging a global coal industry summit alongside. Now, the World Coal Association has criticized the UNFCCC's decision to back divestment, saying it threatened investment in cleaner coal technologies.
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UN Backs Fossil Fuel Divestment Campaign

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  • Well just maybe (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pastafazou ( 648001 ) on Sunday March 15, 2015 @06:39PM (#49263447)
    They should mandate that all UN organizations stop all live meetings and switch to video conferencing only. The amount of jet fuel currently burned from these meetings and conferences would be immense. If not, then they're a bunch of hypocritical SOBs.
  • UN please go. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 )

    Whenever an economic or scientific question becomes politicized, a pandora's box of unintended consequences is just waiting to jump out. The only saving grace to the UN pushing for divesting fossil fuel investments is that they are completely incompetent, and even more lacking in 'teeth'.

    I'm not a huge fan of coal, but you know what I like even less? Squeezing poor countries (and by extension, poor people) -- the developed world can afford to pay more per KW/h, as well as put money into the R&D for al

  • by msobkow ( 48369 ) on Sunday March 15, 2015 @10:38PM (#49264323) Homepage Journal

    We don't need "cleaner coal technologies." We need coal to be GONE. The same goes for pretty much *all* carbon-intensive fossil-fuel industries.

    • Ok. Would you care to explain what would replace coal, then? Which non-fossil source of energy is readily available, can be used 24/7, can provide as many or more GWh than coal at a cost to the consumer no higher than coal, is scalable enough to meet future demands (e.g. provide more energy per capita for 9 billion people at a lower cost) and can be deployed now, in poor and rich countries alike? I'm sorry but THOSE are the issues to be adressed, they come before "carbon" considerations.
      • by msobkow ( 48369 )

        The money being used to fund "clean coal" should be directed to something that is actually clean, like development of fusion technology.

        No one guaranteed the fossil fuels industries a right to earn profit in perpetuity. Fuck 'em.

    • by myrdos2 ( 989497 )

      We need coal to be GONE.

      We're working on it as fast as we can.

  • Moral bankruptcy (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mdsolar ( 1045926 ) on Sunday March 15, 2015 @11:07PM (#49264407) Homepage Journal
    All of the fossil fuels run on science. There is geology and chemistry and pollution control and how to make oil flow in a pipeline. If you school won't invest in fossil fuels, there is a chance you won't consider working for them either. The engineering and science may not get done as quickly and the industry may slow as a result of moral objections.
  • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Monday March 16, 2015 @12:05AM (#49264695) Journal

    Of course, as all these firms divest themselves of the oil industry and demand drops, the price for oil will drop as well, making it even more attractive to those needing to save a buck.

  • by MtViewGuy ( 197597 ) on Monday March 16, 2015 @12:14AM (#49264745)

    I think now that we may be on the verge of major breakthroughs in battery technology, we could soon see the beginning of the end of using gasoline and diesel fuel for motor vehicles anyway.

    Around 2010, Volkswagen Chairman Martin Winterkorn predicted that by 2020, a vehicle about the size of today's VW Golf model--with similar carrying capacity in terms of passengers and cargo--could travel 800 km (497 miles) on a single full charge of the car's electric battery pack. Thanks to new forms of lithium-ion batteries that use dry electrodes and graphene sheets and carbon nanotube supercapacitors, such a goal may not be such a far-fetched idea; if Winterkorn's prediction proves true, that will truly start the transition from away from using internal combustion engines fueled by gasoline or diesel fuel for personal vehicles.

    However, gasoline and diesel fuel will be around longer until the change I mention above is complete, thanks to new industrial catalysts ("cat crackers") that can convert natural gas into very clean-burning forms of gasoline and diesel fuel--and it will be cheap to make, too. This will provide a "bridge" of fuel technology until long-range electric cars I described earlier become common.

    • by msobkow ( 48369 )

      Some people think "natural gas" is some be-all, end-all solution that magically reduces the carbon footprint or that is available in unimaginable quantities. It's not. There are limited reserves of natural gas available, and if it were to be used up to produce synthetic gasoline, the vast majority of North America would have a serious problem with home heating systems and the prices of the fuel for them.

      You think it costs a lot to heat your home with gas now? Just wait until some bozo wants to buy up

      • People tend to think that whatever industry puts food on their personal plate is the end all, be all snakeskin oil cure for everything and those who oppose them are wackos falling under the banner of some bastardized term. Usually when it threatens Joe Blow's money, the term is "leftists" or "liberals" or something, as if the very definition of liberalism is to oppose eating. Then while these people can't come up with any better an argument than that, they get angry because people don't just agree with th
        • by khallow ( 566160 )

          The only way to divert climate change without causing an economic catastrophe is to give people different options and then very gradually, carefully make those the only options, just like what's already happening.

          Or simply not do it at all. What I find annoying about this sort of argument is the lack of evidence supporting the need for "diverting" climate change. Maybe instead of speculating about the personal responsibility of people for problems that might not be problems, we could instead find evidence to support our convictions?

          For example, I see evidence from the mild increase in global warming over the past century, that the long term temperature forcing of carbon dioxide is at the very bottom of the IPCC's

          • Yeah, I don't think you're baiting anybody into that. Sorry. It's not worth wasting time on, but hey, you enjoy that flat earth and the rest of us will be over here in realityland.
            • by khallow ( 566160 )
              This is another annoying thing: the unjustified certainty and the irrational villainizing of anyone who thinks differently. Instead of another idiotic reply, how about you consider an application of Occam's razor.

              What is more likely? A) Most of humanity has constructed this particular silly and elaborate moral rationalization for why they aren't doing anything about climate change or B) Most of humanity don't have climate change anywhere near the top of the list of serious problems they're worried about.
              • You're allowed to have your own interests, aesthetic preferences, lifestyle, and opinion. You are not allowed to have your own reality and were you a rational person then it might occur to you that when practically everybody on the planet treats people with your "different thinking" as if you're either insane or stupid, maybe you're wrong.

                Or maybe you're just the kind of person who can't handle being told that they're wrong. Is that it? Do you think you're a god?

                Or maybe you benefit from the status
                • by khallow ( 566160 )

                  Most of humanity does not agree with you, and most of humanity doesn't constantly have it on their mind because it's not constantly brought up or they can't constantly do something about it personally.

                  Well, let's look [pewresearch.org] then. According to that linked poll, 46% of 39 sampled country's respondents didn't think that or doesn't know if climate change is a major threat. This includes 60% of the US and China's population. Note that the poll doesn't even ask if climate change is a "top problem", just whether it is a major problem or not.

                  Another poll indicates [thinkprogress.org] that India, the big country missing from the first poll, has very similar attitudes to the US and China on climate change. At this point, we have roughly

                  • This isn't an ideological nor a religious belief. It's a matter of natural fact that is inconvenient for some people, so they've spent time trying to make it all not true. Every single influential paper to ever be published that concluded that there is no anthropocene it turned out was written by somebody paid to lie.

                    I don't have to justify anything to you, and I'm not talking about beliefs. This doesn't have anything to do with beliefs. You can't just believe hard enough and make reality as you want
      • We use natural gas in home heating and in ethanol production and in generating electricity, And, with CAFE standards increasing and oil production rising, we are within spitting distance of energy independence. It is hard to see how we could use anything close to half our natural gas production to produce gasoline when it supplies so much in other areas and there is such a small way to go to eliminate oil imports. But, the ability to do gas-to-liquid easily makes an even stronger case for restricting expo
    • Cracking converts higher molecular weight hydrocarbons to lower molecular weight hydrocarbons, Upgrading is the term for the other direction. Maybe this is what you are thinking of? http://www.technologyreview.co... [technologyreview.com]
  • by ThatsNotPudding ( 1045640 ) on Monday March 16, 2015 @07:48AM (#49265957)
    Military Intelligence, Virgin Birth...

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