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Jeb Bush Publishes Thousands of Citizens' Email Addresses 255

blottsie writes Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush hasn't even yet formally declared his desire to run for president in 2016, but he's already started what appears to be a major privacy blunder. His new project, the Jeb Emails, a massive, open database of correspondence to and from his jeb@jeb.org email address, publishes the full names, messages, and email addresses of his constituents who emailed him during his eight years in office.
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Jeb Bush Publishes Thousands of Citizens' Email Addresses

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  • Oops! (Score:5, Funny)

    by riverat1 ( 1048260 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:46PM (#49025915)

    Not a good start.

    • Depends on who you're rooting for ...
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by lgw ( 121541 )

        Jeb is very much the GOP "establishment" candidate, loved by those already in power and almost no one else (though I though he was great as governor of Florida, especially in the 4-hurricaine year, I think he's completely the wrong guy for president). The conservative base isn't rooting for Jeb, to be sure.

        At the national level, few on the right really care that much about social issues right now, unless you want to consider "immigration" a social issue. Foreign policy, economic growth, and government spe

        • When you look at the economic performance of states run by conservative governors like Scott Walker and Sam Brownback in Kansas you find it doesn't compare well neighboring states that weren't run so conservatively. The mantra of cutting taxes and spending doesn't hold up very well in the real world.

        • These 'social issues' are working themselves out at the state level. Some states have legalized weed, many recognize gay marriage, and there's enough variety of pro/anti-gun and pro/anti choice balance to satisfy anyone except hard liners in each camp. There's more important shit out there to be worrying about on the national level: healthcare, immigration, our crumbling infrastructure, and our global reputation getting flushed down the crapper.

          However what the states cannot do is anything about an overbe

        • If you vote for Scott Walker the sun ain't gonna shine anymore.
      • I'm rooting for the American voter. Who are you rooting for?

      • I'm rooting for a sane candidate. The last time I voted for a Republican for President was for Gerald Ford in 1976 (well, John Anderson in 1988 but he was running as an independent). That doesn't mean I always vote for Democrats either, I voted for Rocky Anderson in 2012. Jeb Bush is probably one of the more sane people running on the R side but he's got too much baggage for me to consider him.

    • Re:Oops! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by jriding ( 1076733 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:13PM (#49026063)

      I am not a fan of the current republicans but I don't see how this is a bad thing. He is in public office. Any communication involving his position should be available by FOIA. So how is this bad again?

      At least we can see when he says "hey shut down that bridge in NJ" or "I will let you write the law and I will say I wrote it if you pay me $25,000"

      • The level of transparency is certainly commendable, regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum.

        The error, apparently, was in failing to properly review for and redact personally identifiable information (such as SSNs) from the emails.
        • I think publishing all the emails is fantastic! However, I think he needed to redact PII and notify senders that their message will be published.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        I'm not sure that the email addresses, SSN, and other personal information of his constituent citizens should be publicized. Names, fine, cities of residence, okay, but that's about it. Yes, you can still identify the person (and that should be the point from a FOIA standpoint) but it won't easily translate into harassment, identity theft, or other nasty things that people can do from halfway around the world.
      • Update 2:15pm ET, Feb. 10: It gets worse. The Verge has uncovered emails that contain Social Security numbers, home addresses, and other personal information from Floridians.

        Releasing PII data is a Federal crime, and there should be criminal charges filed in addition to civil charges by anyone with PII data exposed by this. I'm not saying there will be any charges or case filed, but that there should be (In other words, I know how the good'ole boy network is).

      • "Dot org" is not "dot gov." The latter is subject to FOIA (with PII removed unless it's pertinent), the former is not. Rightly or wrongly, people have a general expectation that their correspondence is not going to be published unless they're writing specifically to have it published.

    • by Optali ( 809880 )

      Wrong! It's perfect, it shows that he is an open person and more, it shows also that his is not like this Nerd O'Bamer !!!
      And anybody saying the contrary is a Socialist Liberal who only wants to take away our guns and discriminate against Christians!
       

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:53PM (#49025947)

    If you're sending an email to the government and expect it not to be subject to foia, maybe you should think again.

    This disclosure appears in his signature on most of the messages I looked at...

    Please note: Florida has a very broad public records law.
    Most written communications to or from state officials
    regarding state business are public records available to the
    public and media upon request. Your e-mail communications
    may therefore be subject to public disclosure.

    • by dwywit ( 1109409 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:44PM (#49026175)

      Didn't the article state that it was email sent to jeb@jeb.org ?

      Doesn't look like a government domain. Admittedly, he's a very public figure, but he took the step of establishing a non-government domain for these emails. Perhaps you should look at the privacy policy of jeb.org to establish whether publishing contact details is OK or not.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      It this were FOIA, I'd defend you. But no, it's not. It's about Jeb releasing mails to Jeb.

      "Mails to Jeb released in response to FOIA" is a FUCKTON different from "Jeb releases everything for apparently no real reason."

      FOIA has a protocol to classify or hide information as appropriate. Jeb does not have such a protocol.

      Your idiotic post said that Jeb = FOIA, and you should be kicked in the gender-specific gonads or, lacking those, appropriately burned in strategic places for suggesting such.

      FOIA is a ris

      • So the bare minimum of transparency required by FOIA is fine, but we should vilify people for going above and beyond? Fuck that noise!

        Transparency is good; more transparency is better; and complete transparency is best.

    • Jeb hasn't been a public official for over eight years, so it's unlikely many of the emails are covered.

      (Personally, I think it's unfortunate, but it's not as if Bush himself was administering the server that did this. Screw ups happen, even with the best of staff. Heads need to roll, but this shouldn't be a political issue.)

  • It Get's Worse (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @08:56PM (#49025967)

    Update in the article:

    The Verge has uncovered [theverge.com] emails that contain Social Security numbers, home addresses, and other personal information from Floridians.

    • by jordanjay29 ( 1298951 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:48PM (#49026195)
      The small blessing is that most of the senior citizens in Florida probably have already given this information to scammers in Asia.
    • by Latent Heat ( 558884 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:29AM (#49026777)
      So I e-mail the guv of Florida. Why am I disclosing my SSN in that e-mail? Is this required? Is Jeb Bush matching people e-mailing him against a database and revealing SSN's that way?
  • by cas2000 ( 148703 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:43PM (#49026167)

    now lets see him release audio and video recordings of every meeting and informal chat that lobbyists and corporate representatives have with him, and all correspondence to and from them too.

  • Thousands? Really? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by damn_registrars ( 1103043 ) <damn.registrars@gmail.com> on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @09:59PM (#49026227) Homepage Journal
    I didn't expect there would be thousands of Floridians who were smart enough to know how to use email yet interested in contacting Jeb. Are we sure they aren't thousands of throwaway email addresses used by just a few people?
    • I didn't expect there would be thousands of Floridians who were smart enough to know how to use email yet interested in contacting Jeb. Are we sure they aren't thousands of throwaway email addresses used by just a few people?

      well sure i'm responsible for like 170 of the addresses but i didn't write ALL of them.

  • by ZipK ( 1051658 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @10:04PM (#49026251)
    Or was Ethan Czahor too busy redacting his Twitter feed [buzzfeed.com]?
  • Perhaps Jeb Bush is trying to show voters that he believes in transparency for government officials. Instead he is showing that he has entirely misunderstood the point.

  • First he hires a communications director with a history of sending out ugly tweets (that are, apparently, being deleted in an attempt to keep Bush's potential campaign from imploding before it even begins). Then he publishes constituents' email addresses. Doesn't seem all that smart to me.

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