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Peru Indignant After Greenpeace Damages Ancient Nazca Site 465

HughPickens.com writes The NYT reports that Peruvian authorities say Greenpeace activists have damaged the fragile, and restricted, landscape near the Nazca lines, ancient man-made designs etched in the Peruvian desert when they placed a large sign that promoted renewable energy near a set of lines that form the shape of a giant hummingbird. The sign was meant to draw the attention of world leaders, reporters and others who were in Lima, the Peruvian capital, for a United Nations summit meeting aimed at reaching an agreement to address climate change. Greenpeace issued a statement apologizing for the stunt at the archaeological site and its international executive director, Kumi Naidoo, flew to Lima to apologize for scarring one of Peru's most treasured national symbols. "We are not ready to accept apologies from anybody," says Luis Jaime Castillo, the vice minister for cultural heritage. "Let them apologize after they repair the damage."
"But repair may not be possible. The desert around the lines is made up of white sand capped by a darker rocky layer. By walking through the desert the interlopers disturbed the upper layer, exposing the lighter sand below. Visits to the site are closely supervised — ministers and presidents have to seek special permission and special footwear to tread on the fragile ground where the 1,500 year old lines are cut. "A bad step, a heavy step, what it does is that it marks the ground forever," says Castillo. "There is no known technique to restore it the way it was." Castillo says that the group walked in single file through the desert, meaning that they made a deep track in the ground then they spread out in the area where they laid the letters, making many more marks over a wide area. "The hummingbird was in a pristine area, untouched,". Castillo added. "Perhaps it was the best figure."
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Peru Indignant After Greenpeace Damages Ancient Nazca Site

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Looks like them favoring will do anything to make their issue known ... everything, including ruining thousands-year-old world heritage site

    • Looks like them favoring will do anything to make their issue known ... everything, including ruining thousands-year-old world heritage site

      Am glad that Luis Jaime Castillo rejected their apology, and demanded that they repair the damage. High time someone told these environmental wacko assholes where to fuck off!!!

  • Cage fight! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:35AM (#48588735)
    We need a PETA vs Greenpeace death-by-irony cage fight.

    "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds." -Doc Holliday
  • The Paradigm (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:37AM (#48588743)
    Greenpeace seems to have the notion that the more obnoxious and arrogant you are, the more you can get people to agree with you.

    Turning off people who might otherwise agree with them. Instead, they just generate hatred.

    • Re:The Paradigm (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:29AM (#48588923)

      It seems to work. I suspect there is an x% of the population that responds positively to that sort of thing and it is purposely targeted for membership and fundraising in order to build up enough strength to push their agenda on the rest of the population.

      Check out ISIS' "work". The more aberrations they cause, the more a certain cast of society supports them. The need to act out is greater than the cause for the members of all these groups (Greenpeace, ISIS, PETA, Femen, etc etc), and our society and legal framework is not adapted to deal with them.

      • by amiga3D ( 567632 )

        It works for a time. Then, finally you generate enough hatred and antipathy that a backlash is generated that more than wipes out any gains. Most people take a long time to get agitated enough to take action but once they do you find that it wasn't a wise choice to piss them off.

    • by michelcolman ( 1208008 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:34AM (#48588951)

      Nah, it was a genuine mistake. They've already laid down a new set of big yellow letters saying "We are truly sorry for disturbing your national heritage site. Greepeace."

      • No, I heard they spray painted that on the pyramid at Giza.

      • Re:The Paradigm (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @12:55PM (#48589251)

        Nah, it was a genuine mistake. They've already laid down a new set of big yellow letters saying "We are truly sorry for disturbing your national heritage site. Greepeace."

        Unacceptable.Completely unacceptable. At the very least, at a bare minimum, they should have had the intelligence to know that anything they would do at a world heritage site, especially one that is as well known - and it's frailty as well documented as the Nacza plain, you simply Do Not Do That!

        The problem with Greenpeace and other such organizations is they become stupid. They are so beholden to their cause, that nothing can get in their way. They apologized, but in their heart, they don't give a flying fig about anything but their cause. SMart about one thing, stupid about the rest of the universe.

        No group in their right mind would ever do such a thing. It would be like say - Pepsi going up and re-arranging the stones on part of the plain in the shape of their logo. People in their right mind would have squashed the idea as soon as it came out of the idiot's mouth that thought up this ill advised plan. But they don't, because as zealots, they have given their cause priority over everything else, and nothing else matters. It is the same sort of mentality that gets people to fly into skyscrapers in the name of their religion.

  • Oh No (Score:5, Funny)

    by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:39AM (#48588751)

    The Aliens will never find out where to land now

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:42AM (#48588757)

    Greenpeace has been, for quite some time now, nothing but a group lobbying for its self-interest, no matter its impact on the rest of us. I.e. they have become as despicable as the oil industry.

  • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:47AM (#48588765)
    Perhaps them walking wouldn't have caused so much damage if they had reduced *their* carbon footprint by not stuffing their face with more than their fair share of food on the planet.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by AqD ( 1885732 )

      Or they could just kill themselves and everyone to save the planet.

      Carbon emission wouldn't be an issue if the whole human population is reduced by 90%.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:49AM (#48588771)

    Silly sods. Greenpeace's whole ethos is to take the moral high ground against destructive activities of government and big business.

    Well, their careless actions here have fucked that up big time. Once you throw away the "moral high ground", good luck getting it back.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Take the moral high ground? They act like they own it, no further justification necessary. Which means they shit in their own kitchen, and no mistake. To me, this pretty much clinches what I've been thinking for a while, and that is that their position is their religion, and damn any and all reality. This they share with more activist groups, like PETA. You could see that with them publishing reports full of suspiciously convenient numbers that turn out to be cherry picked (so much for their "science"), but

  • mistakes were made (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ragica ( 552891 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @10:52AM (#48588785) Homepage

    So, here we have a nice example of something like Jon Stewart's "one mistake" [youtube.com]... with all the willful environmental destruction in the world, this story of one admitted dreadful mistake by people who actually care deeply (for which the Greenpeace response -- as strong an apology as possible, while accepting that mere apology is insufficient -- is missing from the summary) becomes the story.... sad.

    • by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:00AM (#48588811)
      Mistake? And not one of these environmental geniuses said to his buds, "Hey guys, this might be a bad idea" ?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:30AM (#48588927)

      Greenpeace doesn't care about the environment. They care about making themselves feel important. Their behavior is such.

      They also would have to disband if they could acknowledge their mistakes like their stance against nuclear power which makes them partly responsible for global warming. Only idiots would think that we wouldn't burn more fossil fuels as our societies need for electricity continued to grow especially given the other techs available at up an til-recently. Also, green peace is trying apparently to bankrupt the very renewables they calm to love so much. They should have ask for investment in energy storage and that countries cut back on new renewable investments before the boom busts.

  • Human made (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dereck1701 ( 1922824 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:00AM (#48588809)

    The Nazca lines are human made, as we all know Greenpeace doesn't care about humans. They only care about the "environment", even though they often oppose things that would in fact help protect the environment.

    • by c ( 8461 )

      Yeah, that's kind of my sense. These lines are a *human* artifact, carved into the earth and left there for a thousand years. That's pretty much the definition of man despoiling the earth and it's not something I can see the hardcore environmental activist types having any qualms about trashing. They might not go out of their way to destroy it, but I can't imagine them feeling much remorse over it.

    • Re:Human made (Score:4, Insightful)

      by michelcolman ( 1208008 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:46AM (#48589011)

      Yep, and they also promote things that hurt the environment. Here in belgium they were actually encouraging people to burn woord for heating, since wood was renewable. Then they suddenly realised how much fine dust and smog was being created by those wood stoves. Oops.

      And don't get me started on nuclear power. New designs are perfectly safe and produce almost no waste, yet we can't build them because nuclear power is supposedly dangerous and creates waste that will poison the planet forever. So, for lack of alternatives, we keep extending the life of older plants until they blow up. And we try to replace them with renewables that actually pollute more. Those solar panels don't grow on trees. More people have been killed in the construction of wind turbines than in nuclear accidents. Oh, well, looks like I've gotten myself started. I'll stop now.

    • When there's a dark layer of soil on top of sand it's usually a macrobiotic crust, that has taken a few hundred years to do its thing - that is what they crushed as they walked. There's not much worse you can do as far as lasting ecological damage except for sawing down trees a few hundred years old...

      They did also harm the aesthetics of the lines themselves.

  • Morons (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PPH ( 736903 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:07AM (#48588845)

    They could have achieved the same thing with Photoshop.

  • by devent ( 1627873 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:22AM (#48588895) Homepage

    Maybe in 1000 years that will be the only which remains as a sign of human civilization. That, and the pyramids.

  • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:44AM (#48588989) Journal

    http://www.latinamericanstudie... [latinamericanstudies.org]

    I was hoping that the authorities were exaggerating, but looking at the pic on this page one can see that they aren't :-(

  • ego (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:51AM (#48589025)

    Green peace, Peta, and other "Groups" like them stopped being about the "issues" a long time ago and have since turned into ego trips for its members. It seems like a game for them to pull off the biggest stunt. Do they seriously think world leaders are "unaware" of renewable energy? Seriously?

    That message wasn't for world leaders, it was a dick measuring contest with other activists.

  • by Irate Engineer ( 2814313 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:54AM (#48589037)
    A long time ago I might have supported organizations like Greenpeace and PETA on general principles, but the membership of both organizations have grown so outrageously batshit insane and arrogant that I feel differently now.

    I feel like roasting a live cat over a pile of burning coal, frankly.

    Way to win hearts and minds, idiots!
    • by topham ( 32406 )

      Greenpeace started that way. There's been evidence over the years of key members participating (and providing funds) in more radical organizations, with Greenpeace acting as a nice cover/front. In recent years their lies have started to pile up and it's becoming more obvious they are simply in it for the money.

  • by mpercy ( 1085347 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @11:59AM (#48589057)

    bent on keeping the world in a Stone Age sort of existence. And then they blew up those ancient Buddha statues. The Taliban, that is.

    Pretty much felt the same way about Greenpeace, and now they've defiled the Nazca lines. I'm for the same treatment for them that we gave the Taliban.

  • Apologies (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bueller_007 ( 535588 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @01:15PM (#48589329)

    We are not ready to accept apologies from anybody," says Luis Jaime Castillo, the vice minister for cultural heritage. "Let them apologize after they repair the damage.

    First, the damage cannot be repaired. But second, Greenpeace has NOT issued a real apology. Their disgraceful excuse for an apology is here:
    http://www.greenpeace.org/inte... [greenpeace.org]

    The obvious missing element is an apology for defacing a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Instead, they offer mere apologies for how things LOOK, and the typical "I'm sorry if anyone was offended" not-pology. Peru should throw all of the activists in Prison, and when the Executive Director shows up in Lima, lock him up too.

    Meanwhile, as others have pointed out, the image of the message doesn't even look real in the first place, and they could have gotten the exact same image from Photoshop. Here's the worthless Greenpeace image:
    http://www.iflscience.com/site... [iflscience.com]

    And here's the damage the fuckers caused:
    http://cdn.zmescience.com/wp-c... [zmescience.com]

    Prison sentences for all.

  • by uvajed_ekil ( 914487 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @02:19PM (#48589687)
    While I envy their goals, Greenpeace are nothing but a bunch of assholes whose antics are counterproductive. The court system is not the only way to go about protecting wildlife and the environment, I get that. But the inflammatory things they say and their repeated criminal actions not only make them incapable of affecting any meaningful change, but instead they galvanize those they accuse of wrongdoing and hurt the abilities of reasonable people to carry on the mission. Every time I see Greenpeace in the news I can't help but wish they'd just go away, so the rest of us might be able to talk some reason into the polluters and habitat destroyers of the world. With them present it is impossible to convince many on the wrong side of environmental issues, because Greenpeace are so needlessly combative and wrong-headed.
  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @03:50PM (#48590155) Homepage

    Here is a picture of the damaged Greenpeace caused. [twitter.com] Basically, all of the lighter color in the red-marked area is where their footprints broke the crust.

    Repair is, of course impossible. Serious financial consequences, plus criminal prosecution of all involved.

  • by jklovanc ( 1603149 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @04:05PM (#48590265)

    The stupid part was that this could actually have been done with little or no damage at all had the activist just followed some basic rules when dealing with the area.
    1. No not walk in other's footsteps.
    2. Wear the foot square pads on your feet to spread out your weight.
    3. Do not bring cars to the site.

    Had they done some basic research they may not have had a problem. The activists did note care about the damage they did.

  • Photos (Score:5, Informative)

    by jklovanc ( 1603149 ) on Saturday December 13, 2014 @04:18PM (#48590339)

    From this post [imgur.com] here are some interesting images.
    The Damage [imgur.com]. Those are new lines created by Greepeace. Notice the bright line to the left. That is where they drove their cars off the existing roads. I guess walking a bit is more important than preserving an international heritage site.
    The Foorwear [imgur.com] This is what they should have been wearing to visit the lines. It spread out the weight and causes less damage. They did the worst thing possible by walking in a line in regular shoes.

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