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North Korean Missile Raised To Firing Position, Says US Official 636

An anonymous reader writes with this snippet from CNN: "North Korea has raised at least one missile into its upright firing position, feeding concerns that a launch is imminent, a U.S. official told CNN Thursday. This comes as the world continued to keep watch for a possible missile launch by the secretive government, and a day before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to arrive in the region. In the latest daily tough talk from the North, a government agency is quoted by the state-run media as saying that 'war can break out any moment.'"
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North Korean Missile Raised To Firing Position, Says US Official

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  • And... it's gone (Score:5, Insightful)

    by earlzdotnet ( 2788729 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:31AM (#43422753)
    Sounds like a perfect excuse for a preemptive strike
    • by jadv ( 1437949 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:37AM (#43422829)
      Preemptive strikes are only allowed on targets approved by the Halliburton Company.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        So, when Obama preempts an attack on NK, you'll know he has been bought by Halliburton. Then what?

        I know, you guys on the left think there is an actual difference between (R) and (D), but being a (L), it is really hard to distinguish between More Government and More Government.

        • by Phrogman ( 80473 )

          There are minor differences but nothing that will greatly impact the important and powerful business interests that determine policy. Its mostly a difference between Extreme Right Wing and merely Right Wing from my perspective :P

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            There is little difference between extreme right wing and extreme left wing, and most of the area in between. Both sides are for greater Government control in people's lives, just in different areas. The real sad thing is, if you give government control over one area, it inevitably bleeds into more areas as its desire to consume rights increases. When people fear their government, there is something wrong. THIS is what most people don't get.

            Please notice, Obama has done absolutely nothing in regard to all t

            • by Ksevio ( 865461 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:17PM (#43425607) Homepage
              There's always going to be the extreme libertarian view that Government should be abolished and everyone should fend for themselves, but countries with GOOD governments tend to be much better than countries with little or bad governments. Now I'm not saying the US has the best government, but it's not a bad one (despite some bad things it does) and it won't help to cut it down so it just functions less efficiently.

              The mess of the health care act was because of the TeaParty/GOP/libertarians that are actually in favor of millions of people dying as a legitimate solution. It may sound crazy - because it is. Pretty much all other developed countries manage to provide health care to their citizens, but in the US we're worried about "death panels" killing off grandma and providing health care to women so we can't go there. ObamaCare was a first step - get everyone to have some sort of health care. A single payer would likely be more efficient than running through insurance companies, but that's too scary for some. We very much need more health care reform, but while some are offering solutions in reforms that will cover more people and bring down costs, others think the best solution is to drop tens of millions of people from the system and "scrap it". The system we had was fairly poor for those with money and horrible for those without - and costs were going up, yet people keep believing it's the American way that we should go back to. You can't make this stuff up, and you can't fix stupid.
              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                by kaatochacha ( 651922 )
                You know, a country with a perfectly benevolent dictator is the ultimately perfect government, but the risk for corruption is so huge we try not be dictatorial. Same thing applies with your statement: yes, a really nice happy government controlling everything peacefully would be great. your objective should be to have the government have just enough power to do it's job, but no more. The argument should be over where that line is.
            • Re:And... it's gone (Score:5, Informative)

              by Midnight_Falcon ( 2432802 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:20PM (#43425643)
              Working in healthcare-related technology, I can tell you that ObamaCare has NOT caused doctors to quit, etc. What it's done is make doctors more accountable through the creation of ACOs and rating the patient outcomes and risks. Some of the worst-performing doctors end up moving to different practices, but generally, they remain practicing medicine. The exception is if they are retiring -- in which case, it makes more sense to go into an earlyish retirement than have to shape up your game. We didn't want those doctors anyway -- would you want a cardiologist who's track record says 2x more of their patients die than other doctors with similar cases?

              Please study the Affordable Care Act before making such bold declarations. Spending on medicare and medicaid is the largest portion of the federal government and savings need to be accomplished somehow. Some doctors might kick and scream, but their profession has been profiting handsomely from the existing system, and they know how to work it to maximize their income. For an older doctor, with a new system in place, it may not be worth re-learning how to 'game the system' if that's really what they've been doing.

              I really think the medicare/medicaid "shared savings model" is helpful in the long term for healthcare expenditures, which are spiraling out of control with no end in sight.

              I have never been, nor ever will be associated with either the Democratic or Republican parties if you're wondering.

            • "There is little difference between extreme right wing and extreme left wing"

              Well americans have never elected ralph nader so they never really had a chance to see an extreme left wing position. Even he wouldn't be "extreme" to a country like france.

              Obama is at best, centre right. But I am sure you already know that as you rightly complain that obamacare is far inferior to 100% publicly funded healthcare for 100% of citizens, which is really the only real alternative. The american system for sure needs to b

        • Wow how does somebody get modded troll for suggesting that there probably isn't a conspiracy?

    • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:38AM (#43422843) Homepage

      Raised position ....
      Preemptive strike ....

      MUST NOT!

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      Are there American /.ers actually worried about this? I'm starting to realize that the generation that grew up after the cold war was over is post-college now. (Get off my lawn!)

      The only scenario I find troubling is that North Korea launches some sort of missile, which then has some boost failure that drops it onto Seoul, or some nearby highly populated region where it might hurt someone. The level of corruption in tin-pot dictatorships is so high that successfully operating a high-tech weapon (without an

      • by emho24 ( 2531820 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:04PM (#43423227)
        Worried? No
        Tired of war? Yes
        Tired of hearing the rhetoric? Yes
      • by PraiseBob ( 1923958 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:37PM (#43423665)
        No. Intelligence reports suggest that they can't fit a nuclear warhead on any kind of missile with decent range. Plus, their missile tests are falling way short of reaching anywhere but South Korea, China, and maybe Japan, and their test success ratio has been low.

        There is basically no scenario in which North Korea can start a war and "win". The regime can kill a bunch of people at the cost of their own lives, but that is something only religious fanatics do. They are bluffing to get sanctions lifted, and clearly trying to bluff the US into a pre-emptive strike, in order to paint themselves as a victim. It won't work, but they don't realize it because their analysts work for a totalitarian regime and can't provide the unvarnished truth to the leadership.

        It's a sad situation all around. I mostly just pity the north korean people for their inept leaders.
    • If Kim had a shotgun and behaved like this in L.A., LAPD would have plugged him about 40 times by now.

    • by silviuc ( 676999 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:13PM (#43423339) Homepage
      At least they don't say "yo dawg, they got chemical weapons and they're gonna' use 'em. Honest to GOD!!". They tuned it down to "they raised their missiles first. we decided a preemptive strike was the way to go". It's also cheaper than the charade with the military searching for something that never existed in the first place.
    • I doubt it. If they fire first they become the bad guy, if we fire first then we are the bad guy.
      China is the key. If North Korea fires first China will be much less supportive then if we fired first.

    • Re:And... it's gone (Score:5, Interesting)

      by cjjjer ( 530715 ) <cjjjer@hotma i l .com> on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:53PM (#43423831)
      Exactly what they want so N.Korea can cry foul and point the finger at the US. What the US and allies should do is wait until a launch happens and then take action to defend their borders by destroying the missile, then see what they do. By doing this it shows that the US is not a war-hungry bully country.

      My $.02
    • Who from? Nobody- not the US, not South Korea, not nobody- wants a war. There's nothing to gain from a war. It would cause devastating loss of life, and there are no strategic resources or whatnot to be had. Although the Southerners would like reunification, they don't want to level half the peninsula over it (and nor do the Northerners). Everyone's much happier playing the waiting game and hoping North Korea sorts itself out somehow (in the exact same way as the USSR and China did, only smaller scale).


  • boner (Score:5, Funny)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:32AM (#43422767)

    'nuff said.

  • yawn (Score:3, Funny)

    by larry bagina ( 561269 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:38AM (#43422833) Journal
    shit or get off the pot.
    • Re:yawn (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:48AM (#43422983)

      If the missile stays raised in the firing position for more than four hours, Kim should call a doctor.

      • Re:yawn (Score:5, Funny)

        by Jawnn ( 445279 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:20PM (#43423457)
        Touche'. I was was waiting for someone to take the "erect" tangent.
        Warning: the following text includes crude racial stereotypes, which we normally wouldn't stoop to, but Kim is such a douchebag, we'll make an exception. Oh, and apologies to Team America too.
        "Ooo, rook at my rarge erect missre, eveybody. Rook and be afraid. Trembre at the though of it penetrating your airspace and viorating your fertire plains, over and over. Now give us food and money."
  • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:39AM (#43422853)
    "Bombs over Pyongyang" does have kind of a nice ring to it...
  • by rjejr ( 921275 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:41AM (#43422887)
    Here's the paragraphs further down the page - "After the raising of the missile Wednesday, it was not clear to U.S. officials why the North Korean government did not proceed with the firing. The U.S. official cautioned that the raising of the missile could have been just a trial run to ensure the equipment works or an effort to "mess" with the United States and the allies that are watching for a launch at any time." This happened yesterday. If it was important there would have been at least 1 big explosion by now.
  • by TerraFrost ( 611855 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:45AM (#43422929)

    Five days ago North Korea was moving their missiles [foxnews.com] and they're only now getting them in firing position? How long does it take to ready a missile? Seems like the US had patriot missiles halfway across the world in South Korea in less time than it's taken the North thus far.

    • by prefec2 ( 875483 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:58AM (#43423135)

      You forget that North Korea is not a real threat to the US or anyone else. they might cause some damage to South Korea or Japan if they start a war, but they will not last long, as their weapons are outdated, their troops are not in great shape. And they are so energy dependent on China that they would run out of fuel after a few days (if not hours).

      The real thing this is all about: Kim wants to show to his military that the atomic are suffice to keep the South and all the capitalists from the US out of the North, because they have these nuclear weapons. If that works, they have a weaker position in requesting special treatment for the military releasing resources to supply the population and turn the economic system. So he needs some sort of international acceptance of their nuclear weapons.

      This is not a preparation of war against anyone outside of North Korea, it is an attack on the power of the military in North Korea.

    • by ichthus ( 72442 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:14PM (#43423367) Homepage
      Don't rush him. Kim Jong Jr. has the muscle shirt on, and the Def Leppard cranked -- phych-ing himself up for the right moment.

      (Or, maybe he's waiting for a phone call with the go-ahead)
  • Where's China? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sgage ( 109086 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:51AM (#43423015)

    China has been growing in economic and military influence, and seems to want to be taken seriously. If that is the case, this is their moment. They could put an end to this nonsense in a minute. They need to understand that it would be in their own national interest to smack this puppy on the snout, fast and sharp. If they just let it fester, and it leads to armed conflict, they will lose face.

    There are just so many ways that this can go wrong...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Not really. Right now, the US is spending money dealing with this issue while China quietly goes about its own objectives. Like a good game of 'Go', often the proper response to activity on one side of the board is to ignore it and continue to build on the opposite side. North Korea provides a good distraction and they know enough to realize that lil Kim is just putting on a show for his people.

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @11:54AM (#43423049)

    Isn't it awesome that we have entire news stories telling us we're on the precipice of war - without one single person quoted? CNN doesn't even bother to include a tag like "quoted on condition of anonymity" anymore - they just take their directions from the White House press office and fill in "official" wherever it would have made sense to have a real person substantiating a dubious claim.

  • by gestalt_n_pepper ( 991155 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:17PM (#43423413)

    should distract the entire populace of NK thoroughly and destabilize the regime. Particularly, if we included enough Dove chocolates. Man, I love those things.

  • by SternisheFan ( 2529412 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @12:33PM (#43423615)
    In what experts are calling "the ultimate cry for attention", North Korea leader Kim Jung-Un blew himself up with his own nucleur weapons today. In an ironic twist, the missiles homed in on the largest Korean target available. Upon hearing this news Mrs. Un, who had been ordered to love Kim Jung with all of her heart, celebrated by feeding her people.
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:16PM (#43425585) Homepage

    There's always the possibility that the missile crew, being under orders to be ready to launch, was just doing a routine systems checkout.

    During the Cuban missile crisis, US experts thought that the USSR was "sending a message". The missile sites in Cuba were easy to spot because they were laid out exactly the same way as in the USSR. Decades later, on the 40th anniversary of the crisis, there was a get-together of some of the major players from all sides. Someone asked about the layout of the sites. The Russian officer who'd been responsible for the layout said "No, we just did it that way because that was what it said to do in the field manual." Everyone in the room with military experience nodded in agreement.

  • by glenebob ( 414078 ) on Thursday April 11, 2013 @03:59PM (#43426033)

    Kim Jong Un: No, you idiots, I said we need to have a missile ERECTION! ERECTION! We should vote on what to do with them!

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