US Open Government Sites To Close 385
SEWilco writes "US government sites which promote open government are going to shut down soon due to not enough funding being directed at them."
Some people only open up to tell you that they're closed.
But it's a good idea... (Score:5, Interesting)
Can we donate? I'm serious.
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:5, Funny)
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No need, there's already this site called wikileaks...
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Informative)
OK here's a deal, I'll give you 144 USD (12 usd/month as per your link) one year after you fund and operate a similar site doing the same thing:
1) One that produces reports like this:
http://www.usaspending.gov/search?query=&searchtype=&formFields=eyJOYXRpb25hbEludGVyZXN0QWN0aW9uIjpbIkd1bGYgT2lsIFNwaWxsIDA0MTAiXX0= [usaspending.gov]
(and the other reports the original site provides).
FYI: that page is about spending related to the recent Gulf Oil Spill.
2) The data+reports have to be reasonably accurate and updated in a timely manner (from the various entities required, some potentially uncooperative or even hostile).
3) the site has to cope with the load when linked to by Slashdot or mainstream media. And have similar performance to the original site.
4) the site should be about as hard to hack/deface as a similar gov site (e.g. probably possible, but not too easy).
For comparison here's the Wikimedia annual report:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/AR_web_all-spreads_24mar11_72_FINAL.pdf [wikimedia.org]
Summary their expenses are about USD10 million. 3.5 million in salaries/wages.
While that's for multiple wikimedia sites do remember that much wikipedia content is created by volunteers for free.
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I'm pretty sure these are some of the same sites we donated $18m and $40m for, to pay for "drupal installations". And by "donate", I mean "paid taxes for". And have you seen a lot of these sites? Broken links. Meaningless data. Often slow updates. These were empty gestures and big cash handouts.
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Bingo.
Cash grab, like many other "programs" and if you "cut" them, they will roll out some poor soul who was "helped" by the program, as if anecdotal evidence is proof that the program is needed.
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:5, Informative)
Sadly, that's not a joke. [pay.gov]
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
I would happily pay my income adjusted contribution if it meant I wouldn't have to listen to people bitch about it anymore and stop cutting important social programs like nutrition assistance.
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By "cutting" you mean "not increasing". What I'd like is a top to bottom review of ALL government spending and ALL programs having to justify themselves, and with more than anecdotal evidence of some grandma eating dog food. And in case you're wondering, I have a hard time wanting to justify some of the very programs you're probably supportive of. How about this, Nutrition Assistance based on not being "fat". I see the "Free food" kids at school who are fat. And I don't mean "chubby", I mean barely able to
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Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Informative)
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From your views, you seem to be libertarian. But...forced sterilization? Yes, that seems like a reasonable and well-thought-out solution, and not totalitarian at all.
Back in the day, shame and pride kept people from taking government assistance unless they absolutely needed it.
Hahaha, what day was this? I grew up on government assistance, and saw plenty of families abusing the system. Freeloading isn't some new thing that the damn kids today invented.
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So you'd rather them be forced to resort to theft, and other crimes? That seems like such a better solution. Worked great for Napoleon.
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i guess that means free/reduced school lunches, WIC, food stamps, etc. yeah by all means we must continue to guarantee peoples right to have a bunch of kids they can't afford. that's real great for society and helps instill realism and personal responsibility, yeah right.
My issue with all of those programs is that they're treating small symptoms and ignoring the root problem - minimum wage doesn't pay enough to live on. Giving kids a hot meal is a great idea, and makes for warm and fuzzy photo-ops. However, I'd argue that money would be better spent helping the kid's parents make enough money to pay for their own kid's lunch. Yeah, it doesn't lend itself to oversized cheques and the like, but it's a better use of public funds.
While the stereotype is "poor people sitting on
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That's because they only usually think taxes are too low for *other* people.
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:5, Informative)
Don't know about that, the limousine liberals who right-wingers and slashdotters like to excoriate frequently are advocating for tax increases for their own tax bracket.
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, so far in FY 2011 [treasurydirect.gov], they've gotten $530,856.55.
And the old joke is true: they all gave 55 cents.
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We print money and leave China holding worthless bonds.
Not a great choice. The only thing that could save us is if the Euro crashes first and the dollar is the only place for the worlds capital to go. So as an American I am cheering for the most unreasonable factions among the PIGS. Come on loonies, print and spend those Euros.
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But of all departments of our government, Department of Education should flat out be available for donations.
Just stop by your local school - they're *always* fundraising for something or other. You can tell how well-off your neighborhood is by what they're fundraising *for*. The rich schools are getting new scoreboards. The average schools are getting new computers for the lab, or maybe replacing some worn out equipment. The poor schools will be thrilled if you show up with a few boxes of copier paper.
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Insightful)
slander stated as fact with unfounded assertions for a rather uncreative run of the mill troll. shame on the fools who modded you up -- please mod up new and interesting trolls for us to enjoy, not the old tired ones; nostalgia not withstanding.
and just in case you were actually serious, we also had less countries with the bomb in '79. (hey, at least my metric is verifiable) That must be the DoEd's fault too according to your logic? A rather lot has changed since then, and you can really ignore all the other changes in society and tie the causation to the management of this afterthought of a gov't dept? really?
Sagan is dead. Long live Sagan.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html [xenu.net]
Re:But it's a good idea... (Score:4, Interesting)
We're now spending 3 times as much on education, adjusted, as 25 years ago, yet the results are no better. Perhaps we should put more effort into insisting on quality outputs rather than increasing inputs -- tossing more money -- into the edu operation...
Who is "we"? Do you mean federal, state, local government? Are you talking about pre-college education, or college/university/vocational education?
Without any of that information, I don't understand your assertion or proposoal at all.
Bitter Irony (Score:5, Interesting)
We need at least another $4 million just to keep USASpending.gov operating this year.
$4mil to keep a website going for one year? Think if I called them up and offered to do it for 3 they'd take it?
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Re:Bitter Irony (Score:5, Informative)
An investment firm is hiring mathematicians. After the first round of interviews, three hopeful recent graduates - a pure mathematician, an applied mathematician, and a graduate in mathematical finance - are asked what starting salary they are expecting. The pure mathematician: "Would $30,000 be too much?" The applied mathematician: "I think $60,000 would be OK." The math finance person: "What about $300,000?" The personnel officer is flabberghasted: "Do you know that we have a graduate in pure mathematics who is willing to do the same work for a tenth of what you are demanding!?" "Well, I thought of $135,000 for me, $135,000 for you - and $30,000 for the pure mathematician who will do the work."
Same principle applies here, I suppose.
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An investment firm is hiring mathematicians. After the first round of interviews, three hopeful recent graduates - a pure mathematician, an applied mathematician, and a graduate in mathematical finance - are asked what starting salary they are expecting.
The pure mathematician: "Would $30,000 be too much?"
The applied mathematician: "I think $60,000 would be OK."
The math finance person: "What about $300,000?"
The personnel officer is flabberghasted: "Do you know that we have a graduate in pure mathematics who is willing to do the same work for a tenth of what you are demanding!?"
"Well, I thought of $135,000 for me, $135,000 for you - and $30,000 for the pure mathematician who will do the work."
Same principle applies here, I suppose.
It's staggering to consider how accurate that really is. It's rare for a compact post to contain so much real-world truth. This neatly explains much of both government and large corporations.
Well done, sir!
yes, but (Score:5, Insightful)
this is precisely what republicanism and "shrinking the government" is all about. Of course, they are even more clever by slipping in all their favorite kickback schemes into the defense budget that no one dares touch for fear of being labeled anti-American. Its the perfect scam. No or a shrinking government lets them get away with anything they want and you and I get to pay for it in further reductions in regulations and services that may potentially save the lives of millions. Republicans are good at recognizing that millions can starve or die as long as they get their millions.
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War (Score:5, Informative)
$4 million is what. 20 minutes in Iraq/Afghanistan? A day in the "War on Drugs"?
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What is it good fo'?
Corporations' profit -- say it again!
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And constantly updating it? Data doesn't feed itself.
Re:Bitter Irony (Score:5, Insightful)
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When they first rolled out the ridiculously expensive series of drupal sites (of which recovery.gov was one and so was the federal IT spending site), they claimed they needed something like $10m per year just to run it. (JUST recovery.gov, I believe).
I guess they had to pay all those expensive Drupal licensing fees, huh?
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Given all the regulations regarding government procurement your figure of 20K for hundreds of thousands of offices that must communicate the information for release is remarkably low. Likewise you only have 1 person handling content. That would be like asking someone to drink from a firehose. I would imagine a staff of about 20 would cover it for coordinating data input from so many agencies and inputs around the country.
It is always remarkable how people think they can expect a major project on a shoest
Re:Bitter Irony (Score:4, Insightful)
Data.gov probably uses more money gathering and curating the tons of data they offer than with hosting.
Re:Bitter Irony (Score:5, Insightful)
4 million dollars would pay 30-40 people. That's not a whole lot, considering all of the data that has to be collected, checked, massaged into the right format, made compliant with accessibility rules, press dealings, server support, IT support for staff, and so on. I'm not an american so I'm not all that familiar with how funding is allocated in detail, but the site seems to spend a lot of time on awards, and sub award reporting. Presumably 'awards' could be easily extracted from regular budget documents but sub awards can't? There's seems to be a lot of time devoted to analysis of the data as well (which could drive costs up a lot if you have a few PhD's in stats or econ doing the analysis), in addition to building the flash visualization stuff.
On top of all of the sort of obvious stuff I'm sure there's a lot of legal there too. You can't always just go and blab what contractors you're giving money to, or if you can you need to verify the information you're going to say about the company. There can be a big difference between a deal with a company that is myurl.net and myurl.com, and you don't want to say they got 10 million dollars when they got 1, or 100.
As with all any large outfit, the more money you spend accounting for the money you're spending, the less is available for the actually things you're trying to do. It becomes a balance between the legitimate need to know where money is going, and the equally legitimate need to not waste 50 cents on every dollar documenting where you spent the other 50 cents. It seems like most everything on this website is available elsewhere, not necessarily easily. Whether or not a few millions of dollars in data aggregation on top of billions in accounting for trillions in spending is providing good value, especially when it's not my money, is beyond me.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head here. What this project sought to do was a colossal undertaking, and it's not clear that the right people were found for the job.
I could see the framework for a project like this easily taking a decade to set up, and that wouldn't (and prob
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Don't forget to include benefits. Pretty much consider your benefits to match your salary. At 60k/yr salary you may cost the company a total of 120k, for example.
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From the article:
We need at least another $4 million just to keep USASpending.gov operating this year.
$4mil to keep a website going for one year? Think if I called them up and offered to do it for 3 they'd take it?
Depends. Are you going to do all the data collection, tabulations, etc? That $4-million figure wasn't just to run some Apache server stuff in the corner. It's the entire program that's being cut. It's no real great loss since traffic to these servers was negligible anyway. In the long run, it's actually cheaper to respond to FOIA requests than the maintain the full-disclosure types of websites.
Keep in mind these were the half-assed answers to political campaign promises about open govt. They were neve
Huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
Ironic. Shut down the websites that watchdog government spending due to lack of funding. I'm shocked.
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with apologies to R.J. Hanlon
This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
The few million dollars these sites cost to run is a drop in the bucket compared to those three programs.
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There are three giant money-sucking programs that need drastic cuts if we want to do anything about the budget: Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense.
The few million dollars these sites cost to run is a drop in the bucket compared to those three programs.
It's something of a myth that government is incompetent or can't get a job done well. It's just that their priorities are quite different from ours. Those first two programs you mention are very good at accomplishing their primary purpose which is to buy votes. They fail miserably at other things such as solvency but that's no concern to the politicians as long as the primary purpose fulfilled.
Retirees tend to vote, consistently, and in very large homogeneous blocs. No legislator who wants to be re-elec
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Almost everyone could retire as a multimillionaire with such an arrangement even with a modest income.
Where would that money come from? If everyone started investing with such plans, wouldn't they pay much, much less?
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I'd be interested in knowing the reason for the contribution limits. I cannot, but if I could afford to put 90% of my income into a 401(k) what's the rationale behind stopping me? Who would be harmed by that?
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No, the Libertarian call is "If you want to get yours, get it. But don't cry about wanting mine because you couldn't be bothered to get yours."
If you are too fucking stupid to save up for retirement and you were too busy spending money to go on vacations or buy a boat to put money aside to retire on, then that's your fucking problem.
Thanks, I tend to be verbose so you saved me a reply to this cookie-cutter stereotype. It reminds me of that saying, "the fear of libertarianism is the terror the mediocre feel at the possibility of being judged on their merits."
I am by no means rich but the math here is very simple. If I start at a young age and put aside a rather small percentage of my income, placing it into interest-bearing accounts, then by the time I reach retirement age I will have a healthy nest-egg. It's called compound interest
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So you'd be happy leaving old people that hadn't figured this out to starve and rot in the streets?
Because it turns out that a lot of people are stupid, and a lot of people don't prepare. Or they lose it all defending a frivolous lawsuit, of get screwed over by a spouse in a divorce, or see repeated periodic market crashes when their investments mature, or... a million and one other things that leave them needing help.
I do not fear libertarianism. I revile it as the sick and selfish philosophy it truly is.
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:4, Informative)
More libertarian lies and fantasies.
Yes, you got where you are all by yourself, with no contribution from the society around you, you big strong independent libertarian you. You'd have done just as well living in a cave on your own, I bet. To address your points -
Voluntary giving suffers from resources being squandered by many charities, it also suffers from funds only going to those whom are either currently in the spotlight or whom are considered moral/worthy by others, not necessarily those in most need. Government is not perfect by a long way, especially when it comes to efficiency, but it is generally consistent and tries to be blind.
And you genuinely think that giving people a reasonable safety net, providing for health and basic food, makes them grow up lazy and dependant? That if we just whipped that out from under those most in need they'd suddenly pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
And someone who suffers due to their own bad decision-making thinks that entitles them to take my property away from me, but that is not selfish? Why?
And someone who benefits immensely from the society around them thinks that entitles them to keep every red cent and fuck the rest of you, that's not selfish and childlike in your eyes?
In closing, don't lecture me about selfishness because that's your favorite talking point. You just make yourself look like a presumptious ass. The next time you want to do that, learn something about the person you're talking to and you'll wind up with a lot less egg on your face.
Funny, I don't feel any egg there. Nor do I believe for a second your claims about your many virtues, or that those values are widely held amongst libertarians.
Relying on the vagaries of charity in order to help the poor does not work. We have a lot of history to show this.
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
If you put all of the FICA taxes and T-bills owned by the Social Security Administration towards what they're supposed to be going for, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, are doing collectively just fine right now, and will continue to be more-or-less just fine for decades.
The problem is that instead the significant surpluses in FICA were used to cover up even-more-massive deficits in the general treasury. And where and when those deficits came isn't a mystery: In short, blame can be laid pretty squarely at the feet of Ronald Reagan [wikimedia.org] (notice the huge inflection point between 1945 and 2010).
Basically, Reagan claimed he could cut taxes without affecting revenue. The effect of trying this was that he effectively proved that this was utter nonsense. But everybody likes paying less in taxes, so people who pointed out that it was nonsense were effectively told "Shhhh! Don't give the game away".
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If you put all of the FICA taxes and T-bills owned by the Social Security Administration towards what they're supposed to be going for, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, are doing collectively just fine right now, and will continue to be more-or-less just fine for decades.
Not true.First, the T-bills are a legal fiction. Second, the medical care programs and to a lesser extent Social Security all have rapidly expanding costs.
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If you put all of the FICA taxes and T-bills owned by the Social Security Administration towards what they're supposed to be going for, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, are doing collectively just fine right now, and will continue to be more-or-less just fine for decades.
In 1967, a Democratic Congress (247-187 House, 64-36 Senate) passed legislation (an amendment to the Social Security Act) that was signed by Democratic President Lyndon Johnson, which declared that any government program running a surplus would transfer that surplus to the general fund with a promise that the general fund would repay the program in years that the program was running a deficit.
Those brand new Great Society entitlement programs had vastly exceeded their projections within two years and com
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Do we need to cut anything? Think hard about where money comes from - under the fractional reserve system, banks can multiply deposits by 10. Why shouldn't govt do the same?
The economic problem is not the central problem of mankind. The advance of knowledge and innovation is. How can we encourage the natural curiosity and sense of wonder that leads to creative solutions? The mentality of "Katie bar the door" is not conducive to invention.
What govt should do is provide a basic income (as founding father Tom
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
They are doing that. It's called inflation and it's the biggest hidden tax of them all. For those who consider this a top priority, it's also an incredibly regressive tax. That's because most wealthy people have their money tied up in appreciating assets that scale with inflation. Most everyone else has their money in bank accounts. It's hard to live within your means, slowly build wealth, and move up when the money you are saving is constantly devalued. It's one of many forces that help to limit upward mobility and ensure that those who work hard and are not currently wealthy are unlikely to become wealthy.
The problem with that is that when a nation starts going bankrupt, the majority population becomes so busy trying to do things like avoid starvation that there remains little time and energy to advance knowledge and invent new things.
If it would work that would be nice. There are a few problems that quickly come to mind and there are likely more than that. One is that this would require a huge investment of trust in the government. Providing a realistic income to every last adult in the nation would require a government even larger and more powerful (legally and economically) than the one we have now. I look at the assholes in power and I see little more than incompetence and insatiable hunger for power. If we are going to put this much more trust in our politicians then we need better politicians.
The other problem is that very large systems based on extremely centralized micromanagement of human behavior tend not to work out. The only reason corporations can pull that off is because they are dictatorships and each member is relatively easy to eliminate and replace. Then consider that the only challenges that would receive funding are those you can get large, bureaucratic committees staffed with politicians to agree with and support. Proposals involving a scientific discipline are exceedingly unlikely to be reviewed and approved by people who actually understand the science. Then you'd still have all the usual problems of cronyism in which the politicians' buddies and supporters have an easier time getting a challenge approved.
Reagan proved that most corporations who are given generous tax breaks would rather give that money to their shareholders than the rank-and-file employees actually performing the work. Hamilton was a supporter of centralized banks and fiat currency and debt is an integral and unavoidable component of that arrangement. Lincoln's greenbacks were interest-free currency because Lincoln was wise enough to foresee the inevitable collapse of a system in which money has interest attached at the moment it is created, namely because there is never enough money in circulation to pay back the debt.
The Panice of 1837 wasn't caused by Jackson paying off the national debt. The Panic was caused by drastic inflation that happened over a length of time that was followed by sudden intense deflation. Runaway inflation is always a house of cards waiting to collapse. It got so bad that every bank in New York demanded precious metals as payment because the currency became nearly worthless. That was the gust of wind that collapsed the house of cards.
In fact it was the Second Bank of the United States that caused the gigantic economic bubble, and that Bank was a fiat-currency system based on debt just like our Federal Reserve. Once you have a bubble like that it must eventually and inevitably burst (c.f. modern housing market) and when it does it won't be fun. It should surprise no one that you can't easily and painlessly solve a problem that has been allowed to get bigger and bigger over a significant length of time. The solution to that is to not engage in the sort of rampant speculation that forms such bubbles in the first place.
Jackson actually had a situation analogous to our current one with Social Security. When a system is failing and heading towards collapse, you have a couple of choices. You can deal with that right now and face how painful that's going to be. Or you can let it collapse on its own, by which point it will have become much worse and the collapse will be that much more painful. Jackson did the right thing.
Incidentally, the Second Bank of the United States became a regular bank like any other after it lost its national charter. Five years after that, it went bankrupt. That's because unsound practices lead to failure with or without the backing of government.
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
three giant money-sucking programs that need drastic cuts if we want to do anything about the budget: Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense
Mmm, because a disease-racked, starving underclass is the perfect foundation for a stable and prosperous democratic society. But if we at least fund the military, the desperatly hungry, plague-ridden rabble with no jobs and no future will at least be well-trained in modern urban combat and the overthrow of oppressive (or just annoying) regimes.
Nothing about this bold social plan could ever possibly go wrong!
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Mmm, because a disease-racked, starving underclass is the perfect foundation for a stable and prosperous democratic society.
Obviously it's not ideal, but we have a fifteen TRILLION dollar deficit. There need to be sacrifices made, either by cutting spending, increasing taxes, or both.
But if we at least fund the military, the desperatly hungry, plague-ridden rabble with no jobs and no future will at least be well-trained in modern urban combat and the overthrow of oppressive (or just annoying) regimes.
I was advocating CUTTING the defense budget.
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:4, Insightful)
The rest of the western world has more government-provided services, generally has less government intrusion and, interestingly, spends less doing so. All of this is because they don't have a pathological fear of government that forces everything to be done below-board and half-assed.
To put it succinctly, America has the government is citizens deserve.
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, America could implement, say, the kind of health care plan that any other western nation has and probably cut Medicare expenses (and overall health spending, public and private) and still come out ahead, or at least be able to fund social security in a sustainable fashion. But of course, you can't have a single-payer system that comprehensively covers all your citizens. Oh, no. That's socialism, and we can't have that! It's wrong for the government to employ a bunch of doctors and nurses and have themgo around and heal people!
You can, mind you, have the government employ a huge, well-armed and trained military force to kill people. That's perfectly ok.
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Sadly, this is utterly unrealistic. If you think we could do it cheaper if the government was the sole health care provider and paid all the bills, you aren't living in America.
The first problem is the people. In no other country on Earth are the people utterly addicted to junk food and also demanding the best outcomes in health care. You visit any hospital outside the US and you find people of all ages. Go in nearly any hospital in the US and you will find old people clinging to the last few days of li
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I'd prefer to live in Sweden or other similar 'socialist' European country. If we're just throwing out examples of governance gone wrong then I guess my counterpoint is the fine country of Somalia.
Face it: there are retards out there. You can either support them through programmes such as Social Security, or you can live in a society with a desperate underclass that will do anything to survive.
I much prefer living in my society where I don't fear walking down the street at night, because even the lowest scu
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
There are three giant money-sucking programs that need drastic cuts if we want to do anything about the budget: Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense. The few million dollars these sites cost to run is a drop in the bucket compared to those three programs.
At least Medicare and Social Security are doing something for American citizens.
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Only in the sense of a surplus = more money taken in right now then going out the door. The "Social Security has a surplus" idea totally ignores future commitments made. If you're an accountant (and, I'd hope that good accounting is a part of government, even though I know better), your balance sheet includes any accumulated liabilities in any calculation. And, future SS liabilities are skyrocketing, while future projected revenue is plummeting, presuming we don't change anything.
We'll have to means-test
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
No, we should eliminate the cap on Social Security taxes that are currently at about $100K. People who make over $100K a year have more to spare than people making less - the cap is exactly backwards to sanity. Once the cap is gone, there'll be plenty of money for everyone to ensure nobody starves to death when we stop working at 65. Keep in mind that lots of us used to starve to death before SS. Lots of us used to starve to death.
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Means test it and it will wind up as well funded as every other welfare program.
Which is fine by me.
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Actually, the way it's being robbed, it doesn't show a deficit because of that, but it's very insidious: it should never have been allowed to have a surplus.
Here's the scam:
They collect 14% of your pay, using the major portion of that to pay for the current benefits (this is the part that everyone calls a "ponzi" scheme: it uses current receitpts to pay current liabilities, with no genuine planning for future liabliities..)
The rest is what goes into the "lock box" but it doesn't stay there. It's "invested"
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Social Security isn't being robbed. The money the Federal government borrows from SS is repaid, plus about 50% extra, because it's immediately invested in Federal bonds. That's how the Federal government borrows money. SS is invested in the lowest risk investment possible.
It's no ponzi scheme. A ponzi scheme doesn't return any gain on the investment. It only uses new money to pay out some return to earlier investments. Social Security is a legitimate investment.
Of course the taxpayers pay it back. The money
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While thats true, they bought government bonds with the money we gave them, we used that money to fund all the things the government does, and now we're on the line to pay back the fund. That money has to come from somewhere.
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"Yes, because none of them are anything important, and can be cut on a whim, without any thought, because it won't cause any harm."
Without any thought? No. But why, pray tell, must the US pay more for "defense" than the next six countries in the world, including China... combined?
Re:This Is Pointless (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually federal spending as a percentage of the GDP is not significantly different now than it has been historically. The tax burden has shifted quite a bit though. Corporations used to account for about 30% of federal income tax receipts and the wealthy used use to have a top marginal rate well over 50%. Now the burden has shifted toward the middle class. After all, Bill Clinton balanced the budget and had a surplus when he left office and that was only with an extra 4 or 5% tax on high income earners. But then we had a major commitment of our military without raising taxes to help pay for it as we have in past wars. 3/4's of the federal debt was accumulated under Republican's because all they want to do is cut taxes but they're afraid to cut the spending by a commensurate amount because they know they'd be out on their asses at the next election if they did. Cheney said "Deficits don't matter." but what the Republican's really mean is they only matter when there's a Democratic president so they can make political hay out of them.
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It's funny how tea partiers take govt money like Mary Rakovich taking Medicare and Joe Miller's wife getting unemployment when he campaigned saying unemployment insurance was unconstitutional.
Sources: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/30/se.02.html [cnn.com]
http://www.huffing [huffingtonpost.com]
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It's funny how tea partiers take govt money like Mary Rakovich taking Medicare and Joe Miller's wife getting unemployment when he campaigned saying unemployment insurance was unconstitutional
If an idiot is handing out free money, take the money and run. Especially when you know the idiot will have to be back to collect 10x the amount later to make up for the free money they gave out.
It's perfectly fine to point out stupidity while taking advantage of it.
Not if your goal is to reduce the overall amount of stupidity. Not if you're among those who will have to pay the 10x collection, much of which will happen in the form of inflation (the most regressive tax of them all).
But there's plenty of money (Score:3, Insightful)
for social media propaganda and sockpuppet accounts... Eh.. whatever. The whole thing is such bullshit
Who needs to fund Open Government initatives (Score:5, Interesting)
When sites like WikiLeaks do that for you for free?
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Heard of them recently? Gone really quiet all of a sudden...
Less non-corporate info (Score:5, Insightful)
Special interest groups own Washington. Consistent, open data and an informed public are usually at odds with these special interest groups. It was a milestone to get these initiatives started in the first place, but in this climate? I mean, NPR got cut, and while that might not sound like much, decent radio as we know it just DIED across most of rural America; and its the radio that often tied whole communities together.
There's a reason America has the best government money can buy.
No one should be immune to cuts. But should such information programs be killed off with nothing to replace them with? If nothing else, such websites help dispute so much of the opinionated pundit talk that Fox 'News' airs for hours and hours during Prime Time. There's those medical Death Squad panels you hear about, looking to save money by cutting medical support for old people, and then there's the facts.
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um no. The House voted to defund the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), from which NPR gets some but not all of its money. The provision won't make it out of the Senate, and even if it does the President still has to sign it into law, and even if he does NPR still gets revenue from user donations and from local stations subscribing to its content.
It's a damn shame that House Republicans are playing games like this when they promis
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To back up what I said about the pain felt by small rural radio stations, “The truth about the NPR issue is that zeroing out the funding for CPB will only hurt public broadcasting stations, not NPR. NPR charges us for programming and will continue to do so regardless of our budget issues,” said Ferro. “The real hit will be absorbed by local stations like KCRW who employ local people and have an important relationship with local communities.”
http://ngawronsky.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/ [wordpress.com]
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Part of that bill included not allowing local public radio and television stations to spend money they get from the Feds on programming from the CPB. Since a large share of their programming comes from the CPB this would hurt the local affiliates immensely.
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those medical Death Squad panels you hear about, looking to save money by cutting medical support for old people
Ah yes. We call those "private health insurers".
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Ultimately it may be necessary for ordinary citizens to set up workgroups and consistently monitor, file freedom of information requests, obtain data from their friends who work in the government on an unofficial basis, just so that the citizenry can keep track of what the republicans are really up to. Personally, I'm not at all excited about their efforts to hide what they are doing, drastically slashing our rights to know, as well as our ability to act collectively, such as the plan to allow children und
The link read "Read 31 more comments" (Score:2)
At this point, there are only 12 comments visible. Why?
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At this point, there are only 12 comments visible. Why?
See the "neuralizer" thread?
Not profitable enough (Score:3)
The Libya investment costed so far at least 186 millons [americanindependent.com], but having a friendly government there willing to share their oil with US corporations will return that investment several times in the next years.
Also investing in something like that, after all the money they invested in discrediting Wikileaks and anything they published, looks like a waste.
You've got the wrong department... ;) (Score:3)
More like from the "We don't really want you watching and we're not really open and want to make it more difficult for you to monitor unecessary government spending department."
GC
New boss. (Score:2)
Same as old.
They can't be closed (Score:2)
They're open. Duh.
More hope, more change, more broken promises (Score:5, Informative)
Every fucking politician is a lying duplicitous scumbag, and we should be able to sue their asses when they break their promises.
Verbal contracts are binding in my state, I think campaign promises should fall under those rules.
awwwwwww (Score:2)
And Drupal was a rousing success for that one site. Well except it took 20 minutes to display data. IT Dashboard for sure.
Priorities (Score:5, Insightful)
And yet somehow there's always funding to rain $600,000 missles down on some 3rd world nation. Oh, well. I guess they fund what matters to them.
If it wasn't funding (Score:3)
they'd find another "reason" to shut it down. I'd try to blame the Republicans, but Obama probably supports closing down such sites just as much. He's been following in Bush's shoes when it comes to accumulating power and using the cloak of "security" for justifying all sorts of b.s.
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$4 million is pocket change for the Federal Government. It'll be pocket change for all of us if we keep collecting wars like they were action figures.
Unfortunately we take the out of the box so they aren't worth what we spent on them anymore.
Re:As a kiwi. (Score:4, Informative)
The specific people who are responsible for funding the Open Government sites are the members of teh majority of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Those are the people who have "given up". They haven't given up on protecting their friends from being taxed, though. "Open Government" is for dirty hippies, anyway, so why should they care, right?
Re:Dumb Cunts (Score:4, Insightful)
That's because people like you hate reason, are driven by emotion...
Rage is an emotion. It's that feeling you have when someone has offended you beyond your ability to understand. It often manifests as an intense desire to cause physical harm to the offending person(s), with little to no concern for any mitigating circumstances.
Perhaps the woman in question has a vision or coordination problem. Perhaps she's distracted thinking about other things. Perhaps you should have been a proper gentleman and made sure you were well out of her path, that she may go any way she likes. Perhaps, for a few fleeting moments, you could let a trivial inconvenience pass by you, and not demonize someone you know remarkably little about.
What moral principle says that someone should be so privileged that they can risk injuring others without even trying to be responsible and should never ever suffer any consequence of that?
That's a very good question. Why should anyone be given the ability to risk injuring anyone else, especially around the face, which is of high social importance?
Given that you've shown you know nothing about the other side of the story, and appear unable to empathize, why should you be the sole judge of who should be injured and who shouldn't?
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Sometimes I think he's determined to be the last black president....
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Sure! His people have a long list of items he's accomplished this term. I can only remember one of them. Women can now sue after they find out they were not paid as much as other people.
I know!
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Wait, what were all these things that he tried to push in his first term, other than health care (which, of course, wasn't a real health care solution but a way to force Americans to put more cash in the pockets of the health care industry)?
He promised that the first thing he would do is get us out of Iraq. He said "you can take that to the bank". Today, we're still in Iraq. And Afghanistan. And Libya. And tensions are brewing elsewhere.
He promised that there would be no more closed door negotiations, but h
Not so fast... or so simple (Score:3)
I wasn't an Obama supporter; however, I have seen him do much more good than harm while having to take the blame for things beyond his control. I'm not just talking about the economic mess (which was years in the making and more in the fixing) but the OVERWHELMING CORRUPTION. Obama will probably sell the farm rather than let the republicans shut down government -- which is too bad because they are more nutty now than they were last time.... Now days we actually have some congressmen who believe the PR lies
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No, you don't realize that all it takes to defund a programme is for the House to refuse to fund it.
FTFA:
You should notice that the House Republicans are busy shutting down the government, again, by refusing to govern.