Reviewing the Presidential Campaign Websites 290
Behind the link are my first impressions of the Internet presences of the top US presidential candidates for each party. Any website design pros care to chime in?
Democrats:
Hillary Clinton: Good professional web site. Using a photo where the Senator is smirking for the main image of the candidate strikes me as a bad idea since it re-enforces some negatives. Fourth overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation.
John Edwards: A bit of a disorganized mess. The Edwards campaign needs to hire a professional web designer (or fire the one they have). Bunch of links to the Edwards campaign's accounts on various social networking sites (no multiply though). Second overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation.
Barak Obama: Very clean and professional. Links to the Obama campaign's accounts on a few social networking sites. First overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation. Supporter area has its own social networking features. Best campaign web site by far.
Republicans:
Rudy Giuliani: What is with the flags at the top pointing in all different directions? Don't know which way you are going? Also what is with that candidate photo? It makes Giuliani look like a villain out of a comic book. This site looks like something from 8 years ago in terms of design and content. For "participation" it appears to just ask for money and allow you to sign up for his email list. Worst overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation.
John McCain: Eeek! What is with the funeral colors? They seem kind of creepy. Might work as black and white if white was the dominant color. The site is a bit of a bandwidth/browser pig. Other than those two issues the cleanest site other than Obama's. Third overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation.
Mitt Romney: Good professional site. Good choice of images. Fifth overall in seeming to encourage supporter action/participation.
Sure, I'll chime in (Score:2, Interesting)
First, of the Rs (that have announced), he is my top choice. (Observer bias)
Second, I personally know someone [slashdot.org] who worked on it. (Observer bias)
Third, Much as you said a "good professional site". Clean, crisp layout. Clean, crisp photos. Clean, crisp "stories".
Fourth, I disagree that it is near the bottom in in encouraging participation. You have the "Team Mitt" on the right. With the "Join" and "Contribute" links right under them.
Fifth, I like that white is th
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Currently Obama and Richarson are the on
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Let's hear about some real policy decisions she's made in the past, in detail - not "she hasn't learned from her iraq vote"
This is what pisses me off about the Hilary Clinton crap - everyone hates her, and they can't think of a good reason why. I hope to all hell that she doesn't get the nomination, because that's going to hurt the Dems chances a whole hell of a lot. Ever since Bill was in the whitehouse, the media has programmed this count
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Oooh, let's talk about that!
Admittedly, an analysis of her legislative history could go a lot deeper -- but a history of trying to capitalize on fear and disregarding freedom of speech is more than enough for me.
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The law could have been passed, and relying on our supreme court to overturn it isn't the best thing in the world. It is also not really relevant to Clinton's record, unless you really believe it was her intention, in which case it reflects dishonesty and manipulativeness more than anything else.
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Partisan political pandering to set herself up for a whitehouse bid. Idiotic, sure, but hardly a reason to hate the woman IMHO.
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EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN IN THIS COUNTRY does shitty things to gain power. They wouldn't be politicians if they didn't. What I don't get is, the scores of other politicians who voted for these damn things don't seem to get mentioned, but Hilary gets crucified for it. Again, I see a huge media bias against her and I don't get it.
Perhaps, but it doesn't make it okay, and it doesn't mean one shouldn't try to avoid voting for those who do, as much as is possible. As to your second point, she is a prominent presidential candidate for the more liberal party.
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Then tell me what shitty things Obama has done. He's got quite a bit of legislative record behind him -- in the Indiana senate before the US senate. Or Ron Paul. It's easy to say "it's okay, everybody does it" -- but for that to be a valid excuse, it needs to hold true.
As for the bias against Hillary -- damned if I know. I don't like her personality; I think she's divisive at a time when what we need most is to a recovery from excessive division. I do think the "take away my GTA" thing, like her position in favor of the flag-burning ban, is more serious than you make them out to be; these positions reflect on her larger view of the legitimate role of the State in people's lives.
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I just want someone who can do a reasonably good job solving the problems we all agree need solving. They can be a stiff nerd like Gore, a cold bitch like Hilary, a hothead who shoots off his mouth like McCain, a guy with zillions of ex-wi
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It blows my mind that, time after time, presidential races are about looks, speaking skill, dirty laundry, ad nauseum, and only rarely about who's most qualified to do the job. Everyone keeps saying about Obama, oh he's such a great speaker - who gives a fuck? Can he balance the budget? Can he convince congress to get off their asses and do something to help us get our energy from a source that doesn't come from dead dinos? If so, tell me about that, and not what an excellent presenter he is.
I care
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To be fair I believe she's been among the current administration's earliest and harshest conservative critics.
Then again I tend to respect paleo-cons even when I don't agree with them.
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It's heading towards where the paleo-conservatives and neo-conservatives will spend more time bashing each other than the various liberal groups out there. Whether this is a good or a bad thing depends on where you sit on the issue...
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Re:Sure, I'll chime in (Score:5, Insightful)
The rest of the world might trust us a little more (never mind the Iraqis).
I might also point out that a whole lot of people said we shouldn't do it *before* the fact, using very solid reasoning that was supported at the time and became more and more apparent as time went by. At what point do we say, "hey, we should consider listening to these people"?
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Only three Senators have been elected President since before the Civil War (though countless Senators have lost general elections after winning a nomination). History indicates that Americans choose VPs and successful governors as President. That is a handicap to all the current front runners on the Democrat side as well as McCain.
While I personally like Giuliani, I have my doub
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First, Senators are at a disadvantage due to a very large and esoteric voting record. The senate can be a tricky place. As much as John Kerry was a dumb fuck for actually SAYING "I voted for the $87bn before I voted against it," it's actually a pretty common scenario.
However, Kerry had 20 years in the Senate.
Of the top 3 dem contenders--all Senators or Ex Senators--Clinton has the longest Senate record at 6y 2mo, followed by Edwards at 6yr and Obama at 2yr 2mo. Much fewer time bom
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First of all, the parent deserves to be mod'ed up. This type of discourse is all too rare on the dot.
On the first part of your argument, I can't fault your reasoning, and you might be right.
This, I have to bite back on. How many Hispanics have run legitimate campaigns, even simply to be nominated by a major party? How many Senators? I
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I'll disagree with your observer bias on one point -- Romney is probably my least favorite candidate of the six, but I think his site's the best overall.
I like Obama's site, especially the O logo -- nice touch. The navigation is surprisingly disappointing compared to the rest of the eye-candy-based site, almost an afterthought. I'll rank it second. (As for what I think of him, he's a good speaker, but I think he's too young and untried.)
Hillary's is good overall, but that picture of her is awful. Pursed
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(Consider me a very tepid and unhappy supporter of Hillary.)
Eth, how could you? She has got to be the worst choice among the Dems other than Biden or Kucinich. Richardson at least merits a look.
Note that I'm in the "no way in hell" camp on Hillary. I'll vote for her in the general but only if the GOP nominee scares the hell out of me.
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Like I said, I'm a very tepid, unhappy supporter. On the actual policies she has pursued and announced, she's the closest to my own position of the six. Obama is basically a blank card, so I have no idea what he actually would do, and I don't vote for platitudes. Experience is also important to me.
However, if it was a Clinton-McCain or Clinton-Giuliani race, I might well just not vote in that election or toss a coin or vote third-party. I'm lukewarm to all of them, Hillary only very marginally less so, an
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On the actual policies she has pursued and announced, she's the closest to my own position of the six.
I'm surprised she's closest to you. I can't get past how wrong she is on Iraq and the Middle East in general. The flag burning and censorship crap bugs me as well.
I have no faith she will actually do any of the wonderful things she promises.
Obama is basically a blank card, so I have no idea what he actually would do, and I don't vote for platitudes.
Obama has a record from his 2 years in the Senate and his 8 years in the Illinois legislature. Based on that I think I have a good idea what he would do and that he walks his talk.
Experience is also important to me.
Vote for McCain or Biden then.
In all seriousness Richa
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Hillary does some things that piss me off, that's true, but then again anyone with her age and experience will have done things to piss me off, so it's a bit of a wash.
I also like no-nonsense intelligent women, which is one of the things I think she has going for her. Love her or hate her, she is tough. Obama and Edwards come across as total lightweights in comparison. Toughness matters to me as well.
Obama's a great guy to have a beer with. I'm not sure about being leader of the free world. Veep, sure.
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Instead I'll simply say don't be so quick to "settle" for Hillary and to give Obama and Richarson a chance. We've got a damn long time before any real delegates are picked and even longer until the party conventions.
As for Hillary, she represents everything I think is wrong with the modern Democratic party and therefore I plan to do everything I can to see she doesn't get the nomination. If she does win the nomination, I'll be in the vanguard
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I haven't settled for Hillary. You asked me to explain my current position; I told you. I never said my position was set in stone, nor did I say I'm going to stick to Hillary. In fact I even said repeatedly that I may well vote third-party in the end.
Thus I don't see why you should have even considered a long ranting reply. Am I not entitled to make up my own mind the way I see fit?
I also don't see what forcing a party split would achieve, except to give the Republicans total supremacy in all branches o
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I'm surprised she's closest to you. I can't get past how wrong she is on Iraq and the Middle East in general. The flag burning and censorship crap bugs me as well.
I really hate to stick up for Hillary because I loath the women, but liberals are far to hard on her for her Middle East policy. The only thing liberals hear when she speaks about the Middle East is that she voted for to authorize Bush to use force and that she is against pulling out immediately.
The truth is that when she voted for the resolution to authorize the war she started up front her reservations and her expectations. She stated pretty clearly that she was handing over the authorization so that B
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Btw, ALL pictures of Hillary are awful. Including, as they must, images of Hillary.
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What? You mean you didn't pre-order her Playboy spread?
Cheers,
Ethelred
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But I didn't even mention the Madeleine Albright one yet.
I'm sorry. I'll stop now.
Helen Thomas!
I'm sorry. Really.
OK, now maybe I need mental floss.
Cheers,
Ethelred
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The problem is most of her default facial expressions make her look either mean or smug.
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If cuteness is the standard, barring the entry of an unknown, it looks like Condi will be the next President.
Romney (Score:2)
I don't know much about him which is probably why he's my favorite of the GOP front-runners.
Re:Romney (Score:5, Informative)
He's made some pretty drastic flip-flops over his career.
While still in Utah, he characterized himself as being pro-choice; then later said he didn't want to be called pro-choice; then while in Massachusetts, he suddenly came out strongly against abortion except for rape and incest. Needless to say I'm pro-choice, so that irks me more than a little.
He used to be for embryonic stem cell research; now he's against.
He also once wrote to the Log Cabin Republicans, claiming to be more pro-gay rights than even Ted Kennedy. Now he's against both civil unions and gay marriage, going so far as to support a Constitutional amendment for banning them. Since I happen to be for civil unions and for defining "marriage" as a religious, not a civil thing (i.e. anyone who's married would be in a civil union; a civil union would not necessarily be a marriage), that too irks me.
In other words, I get the distinct impression he's trying to make up to the religious right for being a Mormon by pandering to their positions. Since I 1) don't like it when politicians blatantly pander to anybody and 2) have a strong dislike of the religious right and 3) most especially don't like it when someone panders to the religious right, that makes Romney pretty iffy for me at best.
Cheers,
Ethelred
Did they update the picture? (Score:2)
When I looked at her site, I didn't see a smirk. Is it still there? If so, could you post the image's URL? (I'm no fan of Hillary, either, but I also don't think she's as bad as many people do. It seems that the typical Republican voter thinks far worse of Hillary than the typical Republican senator. I'm sure Fox News has nothing to do with that.)
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I think the context here is different.
Generally, "articulate & well spoken" is in the context of "compared to what I expect him/her to be" -- so y
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mccain's site? good grief. so a vote for mccain means you're doomed! what a dark and depressing thing that is.
obama's? light. very light. ugly too me thinks.
rudy's site is, meh, its ok. again, very light in terms of content. i'm sure his team is still trying to figure out what to do with it.
romney's. well, i lead the development team on that one. his campaign hired the company
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Figures you might like that one.
As I said I tho
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Although Clinton's site isn't bad in terms of general site design, I am (negatively) struck by the fact that there is no "Issues" menu or section.
Slick Web Pages Say Much About American Public (Score:2)
The American people select candidates in accordance with 2 criteria: physical appearance (i.e., good looks) and nifty sound bites. The flash, not the substance, appeals to the American people.
People like Dennis Kucinich do not have a chance in hell of winning an election. He is not handsome, and, worse, he tries to present substantive opinions on the major issues. Look closely at the video tapes of the 2004 Democratic primary
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By contrast, Kucinich actually answers the question.
You're just as bad as every other voter. So, it doesn't actually matter what Kucinich actually BELIEVES as long as he answers a question in a debate? I'm all for answering questions, but what he actually believes is what matters.
Just for laughs, I looked at his web site. From his Jobs Link [kucinich.us], it is laughably wrong. Note that it is from 11/2006, so no excuses. First of all, "high" unemployment?? The unemployment rate is currently 4.6% (looked up from th
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I can't really say I like the overall design of that site, but at least the color scheme isn't the overused red, white, and blue! Full point for avoiding the cliche, although the bastards will probably "fix" this when we get closer to the elections.
I don't know about you, but I like (Score:2, Offtopic)
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You forgot Al Gore's site (Score:3, Funny)
I'll be on the Gore/Obama 08 ticket
quick review (Score:2, Insightful)
McCain's site is the worst in my opinion. It has four Flash objects on the front page and if you have Flash blocked, there is not much content. And as soon as I unblock the three flash buttons, they turn into videos of McCain explaining what is in that section - really annoying IMO.
Also, McCain's site looks like a dead Transformer [wikipedia.org].
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V for Vilsack (Score:5, Interesting)
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Dr. Ron Paul for President! :) (Score:5, Informative)
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*Unless the democrats have a majority in the congress, in which case I would laugh merrily as the two bl
Libertarian Candidate George Phillies (Score:5, Informative)
The George Phillies for President [phillies2008.org] site looks very nicely done, in my opinion. I would vote for the Libertarian candidate in the 2008 election unless Ron Paul wins the nomination for the Republican Party.
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Netcrafts of each site (Score:5, Informative)
John Edwards [netcraft.com] - Can he make up his mind on a OS?
Barack Obama [netcraft.com] - Full Linux
Rudy Giuliani [netcraft.com] - Windows only, but only one entry
John McCain [netcraft.com] - From FreeBSD to MS? Did MS donate to you?
Mitt Romney [netcraft.com] - All but one Linux (that one is unknow, but I would say Linux)
Everyone but Hillary registered with GoDaddy
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Very informative. I'd have a hard time voting for someone with a Microsoft site.
Why do you say that? (Score:2)
Quantcasts of each site (Score:2)
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Netcraft confirms BSD in politics is dead.
GoDaddy? (Score:2)
Wonder if we can hit all of 'em in the same email.
"Each party" ? (Score:5, Informative)
Libertarian Candidate Websites:
http://phillies2008.com/ [phillies2008.com] -- Physics Professor
http://www.kubby2008.com/ [kubby2008.com] -- Author, Publisher, Political Activist, Cancer Survivor
http://www.christinesmithforpresident.com/ [christines...sident.com] -- Author and Humanitarian
http://stanhope2008.com/ [stanhope2008.com] -- Stand-up Comedian
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"Quite popular" denotes a level of support they don't have in any locality.
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Ahh, American Democracy. It's like a dictatorship with one extra choice!
Re:"Each party" ? (Score:4, Informative)
No, the Libertarian Party has ballot status...that's about it. According to this piece [usatoday.com] from USA Today last year, there were about 55 million registered Republicans and about 72 million registered Democrats. Wikipedia tells me [wikipedia.org] there are 200,000 registered Libertarians. Now, they do run more candidates than all other parties combined, but I don't think they even have anyone in any state legislatures right now.
http://www.ballot-access.org/2006/070106.html#11 [ballot-access.org] has some different total registration numbers (that USA Today article was the best I could find on short notice), but it tells the same story. Even the Green and Constitution parties have more registered members. You't think with the way the Republicans have been operating the last 6 years that there's be a bigger swell with the libertarians, but they continue to be only a minor blip with pretty decent internet marketing.
let firefox decide (Score:5, Interesting)
Hillary's looks nice, and the code tries to be semantic. Firebug found 2 javascript errors. Tidy found 8 markup validation warnings.
Edwards, nice site but a bit cluttered, code is just OK, 7 javascript errors, 7 markup validation warnings.
Obama: Nice site, one of my faves, but ugly code. 8 errors, 43 markup validation warnings
Guiliani: div and table tag bouillabaisse, 5 javascript errors, but almost validates against it's DTD (just 2 markup validation warnings).
McCain: U.G.L.Y., you ain't got no alibi! Horrid! 9 javascript errors, but as I mouse around it keeps tallying up. 77 markup validation warnings. I just didn't look at the code. I was too scared. I mean, he even made the flag black and white. I don't know, but I am sure there are some uber-patriots somewhere who are offended by that.
Romney: my fave site, ugly code. div soup. 22 errors, 9 validation warnings.
There you go, your candidates from a geek perspective. Let your browser decide!
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Clinton, Giuliani, Romney: 0
Obama: 1
Edwards: 2
McCain: 4
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Had a co-worker once who loved flash; he once made a feedback form for our site with flash. It was a simple form, three fields and that's it. How lame. He was ridiculed for that one, let me tell you.
Kneel before Zod! (Score:5, Funny)
McCain's web site design (Score:2, Informative)
Well, maybe I'm biased (Score:2)
They forgot one... (Score:2)
Invalid candidates - nice try, all fail (Score:5, Interesting)
This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
http://johnedwards.com/ [johnedwards.com] - Result: Failed validation / Failed Automated Verification for Section 508
Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 341, 358, 371, 384-385, 396, 398, 408, 410 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8
http://www.barackobama.com/ [barackobama.com] - Result: Failed validation, 66 errors / Failed Automated Verification for Section 508
This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
http://www.joinrudy2008.com/ [joinrudy2008.com] - Result: Failed validation, 8 errors / Failed Automated Verification for Section 508
This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
http://www.johnmccain.com/ [johnmccain.com] - Result: Failed validation, 95 errors / Failed Automated Verification for Section 508
This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
http://www.mittromney.com/ [mittromney.com] - Result: Failed validation, 22 errors / Failed Automated Verification for Section 508
This page is not Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!
If these candidates used their web skills on Federal Websites, they could be exposing themselves to prosecution under the Disabilities Act.
http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/guide/1194.22.
Uh Oh! (Score:2)
John McCain is scary (Score:4, Funny)
Where's Ron Paul? (Score:5, Interesting)
Ron Paul.
http://www.ronpaulexplore.com/ [ronpaulexplore.com]
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Ron Paul is generally against the federal government spending money -- even on tech programs. He is 100% pro freedom, against federal monitoring or censorship or any such issues.
I'd be surprised at how you might construe him as anti-tech. Maybe he's anti subsidizing tech but that's ultimately better for tech
My thoughts (Score:3, Informative)
(I only looked at the home pages, I have no idea what's beyond any of them)
Since internet plebians consider it to be a naturally graphical medium (which it is not), there's almost no chance that any of them will look bad overall. Judging from just their home pages, Romney's web staff could run circles around the others, especially McCain's.
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Buzzword compliance.
Windows or OS X? (Score:2, Interesting)
Don't forget Dennis Kuncinch... (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.kucinich.us/ [kucinich.us]
O/T: British readers: Why Obama looks familiar (Score:2)
The bad, the good, the ugly -- explained (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from their website design. McCain is probably trying to get all the old conservatives -- the one who remember when black and white was the only thing on TV. Or in movie theaters. Big hit among the retired.
Obama. Skewed the other way -- video, flash, very modern. Sure to be a winner among the 18-25 set.
Clinton. Not bad, but very powder-puff blue. It's traditional... with a woman's touch, and a woman's vote. She's very much in front [intrade.com] of the Democrats.
Edwards. Nothing pulls it together. It makes a good try at content, but no organization. Tries to be everything to everyone. Doesn't succeed. Neither will his campaign.
Giuliani. I know he looks like a villain in that picture, but that's how he always looks. Deep blue, stands for deep traditional conservatism. Will look to the letter of the law and not the spirit, appealing to all law-and-order citizens. Will probably make it illegal to have porn theaters within 300 miles of each other. Guiliani is tied with McCain [intrade.com]. Black (McCain) and Blue (Giuliani) is how the Republicans are going to end up.
Romney. The biggest three pictures show him gesticulating with the back of his hand. Like he's gonna hit someone. "As seen on MittTV" pic VERY creepy, almost as creepy as V's stuff. Information-rich, but a bit bland. Like Kerry, his campaign will be information-rich and a bit bland.
--Rob
Validation (Score:2, Funny)
What?! (Score:2)
This is not the first time somebody has used these terms involving Barak Usama Obama. BTW, if elected, he would not be the first African-American President. He's stated he's strictly African---although born in the U.S., so what gives. Clinton claimed to be the first AA President, although critics of Theodore Roosevelt called him the first Black President after allowing B. Washington to dine with him at the White House.
Hillary Clinton. Notice she's the only Democrat
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800x600 is dead (Score:2, Interesting)
Bill Richardson (Score:2, Informative)
Technically, I think he's still just "exploring", and not "declared" but his site does run linux!
Bill Richardson for President Exploratory Committee [richardson...sident.com]
He's got a few validation errors. Dunno about the javascript.
A Captian America Villian (Score:3, Funny)
I think you are thinking of Red Skull. Yeah, he always looks like that. You get used to it.http://www.newsaramablog.com/gallery/albums/us
Foreign geek's impressions (Score:2, Informative)
Sites viewed in Konqueror on Linux.
Hillary Clinton: Site looks clean and polished. Somehow it makes me think of a web app rather than a site though, maybe because of the icons. Donation request occupies the most prominent location of the page and in total there are 4 donation items on the page, does this mean she considers fundra
You would pick a poor person? (Score:2)