Battle of the Bush Bulge 166
cyberman11 writes "Get out your tinfoil hats! Salon.com is running an article about Internet speculation that Bush uses an earpiece prompter and
ignores his teleprompter while making speeches. Bush exhibited peculiar pauses between sentences while speaking during the debate and a large solid object appears between his shoulder blades as he leans over the lectern. He also interrupts himself in the middle of one of his responses by interjecting "Let me finish!" while he still had time remaining to answer and no one else had spoken." If Bush was wired, the receiver would be the size of a deck of cards or smaller, not some giant thing strapped to his back. Update: 10/09 16:10 GMT by J : The NYT contacted the Bush campaign and got a few answers that rule out the innocuous explanation that I had assumed.
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> Then what do you think it was? Do you really want us to think that the Government that has the technology to put a cruise missile into your bedroom window couldn't come up with a small enough receiver that wouldn't show up on a tv camera in the small of your back?
a) His handlers would have to be careful where they got the hardware. Since he has been trying to get the intelligence community to take the fall for his decision to invade Iraq, the people who could furnish the best hardware might have a m
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2)
Speculation is that it is an induction amplifier allowing him to use an earpiece without a wire. Those are necessarily larger than one with a wire.
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2)
In fact, you could even put it in your pocket - they don't have to be that close to your ear if you pump the power up. I dislik
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Re:Nothing to see here (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Nothing to see here (Score:4, Informative)
> Let's be real people. Most of us dislike George W. as much as the other guy but do you really think they would try to cheat at the debates?
Yes. There's not much his inner circle wouldn't do to win the election.
> And don't you think that if they did cheat Bush would have done a better job?
That's debatable.
Pro the rumor:
Con the rumor:
Who knows. But it will be interesting to watch him in the upcoming debate.
Re: Nothing to see here (Score:2)
those 'cheat sheets' are as much as a prop as they are for finding facts. One major difference between speaches and debates, is that with a speach you don't have to stand around while someone else rips your viewpoint. While you don't want to look like your not at all paying attention, you don't want to show much reaction at all. Having something else to focus on can be important. I suppose that he c
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Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2, Interesting)
No, you may not. Someone called into to C-SPAN the other day to suggest the exact same thing, and it was quickly ruled out because (a) John Kerry, who is also under secret service protection, would have had one on as well and (b) security for the debates was super tight.
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I could buy that one, but I'm voting for "back massager" or some such. It could explain the "hunching" if he had pulled some muscles in his shoulders, and it was a poorly applied heat pack or some such.
If it was a bullet proof vest, my only question would be: why? With everyone being screened, did he receive a "credible thr
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Check up on this story at Newshounds (We watch Fox so you don't have to) [newshounds.us] on June 5th of this year. There is some question as to whether Bush has been using a radio prompt all along.
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2, Insightful)
(note: "POINTS TO" != damning evidence)
And for those who said "if he would have cheated, he would have done a better job of
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2, Interesting)
hell yes. do you not know what is at stake for the neo-con radicals, here? you brought up karl rove; do you really know what sort of individual he is, what sort of position he takes on world politics? ever read any of his treaties on the subject of the american statehood, personally?
And don't you think that if they did cheat Bush would have done a better job?
have you not been paying attention to the un-disputable litany of Bush public-
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Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2)
;)
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Before this silly thing came up everybody was laughing about how badly Bush stumbled. Wouldn't he do a better job if he was cheating? Or is the joke now that he still screwed up despite cheating? That "bulge" if it is not photoshopped in (and there is precedence for such lies on the internet, from people of all political persuasions) is probably a bullet-proof vest, as has been menti
Re:Nothing to see here (Score:2)
The GOP has cheated in the debates before and gotten caught, in 1980. They pilfered materials from the Carter campaign and used them to coach Reagan for the debates. This is hardly outside the range of risk they would take.
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> I agree with you, cheating at a nationally televised debate would be audacious, brash, and brazenly stupid given the likelihood of getting caught. Though the President has almost certainly used in-ear prompters during press conferences, I'm skeptical of their use during the debate. That said, I'll reserve judgement since he certainly has shown all of those aforementioned qualities.
That is indeed the sad part: that things have gotten so bad that people are willing to entertain the possibility.
Re: Nothing to see here (Score:3, Informative)
Indeed (Score:3, Insightful)
Indeed. Heck, there wouldn't be anything on the back at all; the earpiece would be all that's needed.
The story's veracity is also hurt by Salon running it, given its reputation for "All Bush bashing, all the time." TeeVee [teevee.org]'s terrific parody [teevee.org] of Salon from earlier this year got that characteristic dead on.
Re:Indeed (Score:1)
But if the signal had to be very low strength and descrambled in some way (in order to avoid detection or bleed-over), wouldn't it be likely you'd need a larger piece of hardware for amplification/decoding?
Also, Salon and certainly the author, Dave Lindorff, are liberal media sources and they own i
Re:Indeed (Score:2)
Better yes, Larger no... Keep in mind the is the POUS, Im sure something less than the size of a cell phone would more than do the job of getting the signal, and decrypting it..
He has access to the best technology the CIA/NSA has..
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So when Bush is seen with a 'traceiver' its because his campaign is not good at chaetin
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What would put an end to all of this stupidty would be pictures of his lef ant fight ears from the debate...
Re:Indeed (Score:2)
These hearing aids can be easily modified to use an induction coil + a microphone (on the aid, to pick up "localized" noise) as input.
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Dirt cheap. And, come on, the FBI puts wires on folks when it needs to, right? The receiver/transmitter would be
Back Buldge (Score:2, Funny)
Re: Back Buldge (Score:1)
> I just assumed that's where the fuel cell's went for our robotic prez.
Actually, it was Cheney's knuckle.
Not real. (Score:3, Insightful)
A celebration wearing tinfoil hats during work hrs (Score:2, Interesting)
Doesn't look like a wire (Score:2)
Google "tiny ifb receiver" (Score:2)
Re:A celebration wearing tinfoil hats during work (Score:2)
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Re:A celebration wearing tinfoil hats during work (Score:2)
Is that the same technologie the CIA used to show that Saddam had an ICBM in his backyard?
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Nothing to see here, move on (Score:3, Insightful)
Please, can we stick to something that matters?
Re:Nothing to see here, move on (Score:3, Informative)
Sorry. Already proven wrong [nypost.com]. It was a pen.
Silly (Score:4, Insightful)
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Most of the rest of the questions were fairly predictable, and they didn't matter a whole lot since the candidates were about 30% question-oriented and 70% speech-a
Re:Silly (Score:2)
Was not aware of this, was mainly going by what I have read about the debates being taken away from the league of women voters.
Thanks for the information.
Though I love conspiracy theories... (Score:4, Interesting)
I can imagine keeping the "calm, cool, and collected" look was a high priority for the candidates, and neither wanted to look sweaty and nervous.
Re:Though I love conspiracy theories... (Score:2)
At no point did I see a bulge that looked anything like the one in that picture. When you see the full motion video, it is very clear that he is wearing a fantastic suit that fits him perfectly, and there is no bulge whatsoever.
That photo is doctored. I guarantee it.
In defense of Bush (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, the green light means he still has a lot of time, but this is Bush. Pay close attention to his inability to pace himself with the lights. At one point he started talking very fast in response to a green light, then slowed down realising that he still had time, but slowed down too much. Then after the light turned red he speeded back up way too late and kept talking after it started flashing.
Re:In defense of Bush (Score:2)
Re:In defense of Bush (Score:2, Informative)
Maybe not, but Kerry has years of experience with them in the Senate. They use the same system.
Re:In defense of Bush (Score:2)
He wasn't talking to anyone in the "back room." At least, no one that exists. I suspect that Bush has schizophrenia. He was probably telling the war-monger to let the soft-spoken nice guy finish.
Then again, I still say that he's still a better realistic alternative to Kerry. The Libertarians will get my vote, but I have extreme doubt that they'll win.
This is ridiculous slander! (Score:4, Funny)
That's just plain silly... (Score:4, Funny)
Everyone knows that this is where the charging unit plugs in, Bush is just a robot puppet, being controlled by others.
"Cheating" in a debate? (Score:3, Insightful)
As for the earpiece in general... If I had to write speeches for that man I'd do that too. His intelligence doesn't exactly burn like a nuke-u-ler fire.
The only way this could be actual major news is if the format of the debate forbade audio prompts. Which, if true, would be the kind of trivial infraction that the American people would be able to understand and hate him for. Anyone know the rules?
Re:"Cheating" in a debate? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"Cheating" in a debate? (Score:2)
Then you must be an idiot! The debate is an examination of the men, not the aids. We see how they do with help all the time. The question the debates are supposed to answer is: how good is the brain leading all these advisors?
We saw how unable Bush is to cope with a crisis on 11/9/01 when he sat in front of those kids obviously and totally confused about the WTC attack. I'm sure that he's been w
Neurophone (Score:5, Funny)
If they wanted to get rid of the earpiece, they could have used a Neurophone [neurophone.com] which is about the right size for that bulge. Flantech's FAQ states that the transducers do not have to be placed on the temples, they can be placed anywhere on the body - but closer to Bush's brain is obviously better (so they were probably placed on Karl Rove).
Re:Neurophone (Score:2)
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Rove probably gave Bush one of them and told him he could channel God through it. The fun part is imagining watching Bush as Rove gets drunk and tells the President to don a top hat and hop around on one leg while whistling "Dixie".
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house of cards? (Score:3, Funny)
The larger size is due to the power supply for the electroshock device.
Shoulder Plate (Score:2)
WHAT? (Score:5, Funny)
When pressed with the claim that the earpiece has been seen before, in his other ear, the source indicated that further information would be forthcoming. A gleeful Terry McAuliffe shot back with the claim that Bush was, "Deaf in one ear or another, depending on which side of him Colin Powell was sitting."
He sure sounds like it. (Score:5, Insightful)
When Bush begins speaking he spends more time not talking than talking, like he's repeating dictation. Not like a normal person at all.
Good thing the ground rules say Kerry can't come near him or speak to him directly.
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Re:He sure sounds like it. (Score:2)
Maybe that pretzel did lasting damage?
this is silly (Score:5, Funny)
try it yourself. get a piece of fabric and stretch it between 2 smooth surfaces (like shoulder blades). it will bunch up at the opt and bottom of the stretch.
speaking of stretching, this whole theory is a real stretch too
No, actually, there's something there... (Score:2)
Re:No, actually, there's something there... (Score:2)
Heinlein (Score:2)
Its a vest, silly! (Score:1)
Re: Its a vest, silly! (Score:2)
> I hate GW but I can't see him cheating at a debate.
Invade a country on false pretexts, sure, but cheat on a debate - never!
Completely innocent as charged? (Score:3, Informative)
From my experience, it is common for shirts that are not tailored well (or at all), and thus loose-fitting, to be pinched behind the back - a sort of taking up of slack in the shirt, so that your forward appearance is as crisp and clean as possible. I had a few modeling sessions (no, I'm no looker - it was a face-of-the-corporation thing for PR/advertising). Wasn't there a news anchor many years ago that admitted to sitting on his shirttails, his secret for keeping the unwanted billowing out of his camera view? In my military service, we were encouraged to tuck our dress shirts into our briefs/boxers to achieve a similar effect.
To me, that's what this looks like, since the bulge appears more of a thick cable, like the folding or rolling of cloth, than a black box or the uniform displacement of a flack jacket.
Re:Completely innocent as charged? (Score:2)
If you haven't seen the frames yet, check out this site [isbushwired.com], which features frame captures from the FOX news feed.
There was a rear camera mounted on the stage (it's described in the MOU between the candidates). The FOX images are available from a number of sources, with slight positional differences -- so I don't think that we're looking at the work of a "lone photoshopper" here.
Let's try a more plausible explanation (Score:5, Insightful)
The Republican political technique is based on repeating a small number of simple consistent messages to the electorate. It's the "talking point" thing. Get everybody top to bottom saying exactly the same thing in the same phrases over and over and over again in every venue you can put them in, and pretty soon the message starts to stick. The pauses in the President's delivery were him thinking on his feet, trying to find a way to connect the topic to one of these small number of messages they've chosen.
First of all, he's not as skilled as the usual talking heads at this game. Furthermore, this wasn't some cable news segment, this was a presidential debate. Not only is he under greater scrutiny than the the normal talking head would be, he's under it for a lot longer. It's not five minutes of blather then cut to the commercial, it's ninety minutes of white hot attention, stacked up next to a determined opponent who has managed to eliminate all of his rivals up to this point.
As a result, the dominant impression he left was that he didn't have enough material -- exactly the opposite of what you'd expect if he were wearing a wire.
Re:Let's try a more plausible explanation (Score:2)
Re:Let's try a more plausible explanation (Score:2)
To be fair... this isn't just Republican political technique, it's just plain "political technique". Both parties & candidates do it. It's the only way to get your m
small of his back (Score:1)
well next to having a beer belly
Stop pulling 24hr Emperor's Club watching binges (Score:1, Redundant)
Now we know what Kerry pulled out of his pocket (Score:2)
Here's a fun conspiracy theory.... (Score:2)
Suppose W actually did set out to have an earpiece/receiver set up so that Karl Rove could coach his dumb ass.
He's all set to go but
Now wouldn't that be funny? He's got no way to complain at all.
It probably didn't happen that way but it's fun to think about.
but wait a second.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Bush Bulge? (Score:2)
Oh, I thought you meant This Bush Bulge [bulgereport.com].
Is he trying to impress us or is that just body armor?
it's very clear to me (Score:2)
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It's a bulletproof vest, obviously. (Score:2)
Neal Stephenson! Interface! (Score:2)
Sadly nobody posted this obvious reference before, so I had to and couldn't moderate the very funny Seinfeld joke ("bro! - brazier!") above
Which btw is even funnier if you know that the candidate in Interface is named Cozzano
Re:I believe it... (Score:2)
However I think the whole thing is a bunch of crap. I don't like Bush either but they are not going to blatently cheat at the debate.