Crawford Newspaper Endorses Kerry 346
ramoth4 writes "Local Crawford, TX (Bush's adopted hometown) paper The Lone Star Iconoclast has endorsed John Kerry for president. Kerry's home paper, the Boston Globe, hasn't come out with an endorsement yet. It's a very interesting editorial, especially in light of Bush's performance in the first debate."
This is news? (Score:3, Informative)
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You left out the third definition from your link [m-w.com], which fits the use of the word pretty nicely:
One would expect Crawford's local paper to be pro-Bush. They did not -- hence the irony.
Re:This is news? (Score:4, Insightful)
--trb
Is this Crawford's only newspaper? (Score:2)
Rob
Re:Is this Crawford's only newspaper? (Score:5, Interesting)
Quotes from various places in the article: (Score:5, Interesting)
Quotes from various places in the article:
"The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda."
"He let us down."
"He merely told us to shop, spend, and pretend nothing was wrong."
"Again, he let us down."
"Job training has been cut every year that Bush has resided at the White House."
People in Crawford are in a position to know George W. Bush a little better than most citizens. It seems that the newspaper is merely saying openly what a lot of people in that town think.
Also, Bush's alcoholism is a matter of importance. For example, look at this: Is Bush drinking NOW? [dailykos.com]. For a more in-depth analysis, see this: The psychological effects of alcoholism provide a framework for understanding the Bush administration. [futurepower.org] Remember, Bush quit the Air National Guard the same month the ANG instituted drug testing. Did he fall off the wagon again?
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Bush: "When Saudis attack, invade Iraq."
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Bush != Conservative (Score:4, Insightful)
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Problem:
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Health care costs are skyrocketing, causing small businesses to suffer.
Kerry:
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1. Raise taxes on the rich.
2. Use that to provide a tax credit to small businesses who provide health insurance to their employees.
3. Work toward universal government-mandated health care.
Bush:
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1. Allow small businesses to pool into larger groups to get cheaper heal
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:3, Insightful)
you know that's not bad, too bad he has only had 4 long years, and hasn't done it yet!
Again 4 long years, plus the government needs to take in some money. Bush has been giving too much of my an my child's future away to his core supporters already (huge defict)
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These are a reality now in the form of Health Care Savings Accounts. If you qualify for such an account by having a high-deductible insurance plan (either individually or at work), you can put money into an HSA like you would a flex plan, but anything that you don't spend will stay there for next year (that's the savings part of it
Re:Granted, not much has been done (Score:3, Interesting)
Talk is cheap, bullshit is free, vote the record.
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:3, Insightful)
1) Fiscal responsibility. Bush has gone from surpluses to a record deficit. They have no plans for changing this.
2) Personal Liberty. The Bush adminstration has done its best to undermine the rule of law by declaring American citizens as enemy combatants and denying them trials.
3) Foreign Policy Realism. Traditionally conservatives have based their foreign policy on realistic assumptions and a narrow definition of national interest, not
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I don't know about the OP, but I can make three suggestions (yes, this entire discussion may be off-topic). Note that your opinion of a conservative value may differ from mine (or anyone elses). If I were to suggest three conservative values, I would suggest the following (in no particular order):
Fiscal: Government should only spend on those key areas where it is required (National Defense, for example), and it should spend within its means.
Individual: Government's power over the individual should be limited.
Economic: Government should limit it's involvement in economic activity. It should try to stay out of the way of business, as much as possible.
Now, if we can agree that those are conservative values, George W. Bush's policies have all been in direct opposition to the above. Fiscally, he cuts taxes, but then spends millions on social programs. Individually, we now have few rights than we have ever had. Economically, the President has subsidized thousands of individuals and companies that should have gone out of business (from Farmers to the Steel Industry to Airlines).
Note that I am not saying John Kerry is a strong leader, I am only questioning how President Bush can be considered a conservative, at least by my three suggested definitions above.
How would you define a conservative?
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:3, Interesting)
Unfortunately, rather than the actual definition of conservative which you have described rather adeptly, the above seems to be more about what the "conservative" movement has been about for the last couple of decades.
If they could weed out the religious nuts pushing for the Rapture, the conservatives might have my vote. As it is, they can burn in their he
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:3, Insightful)
The fact that equality of outcome is anti-conservative doesn't make equality of opportunity pro-conservative. Conservatives seem to act like equality of opportunity already exists even when it clearly doesn't; I tend to believe that this is because conservatives don't really want equality of opportunity (as seen with their implicit endorsement of the "good ol' boy" system that rich people enjoy). FTR, I think that equality of oppo
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Well, I actually gave you two mistated "conservative" values in one (my fault). Government should be limited in its scope (that is what I meant to say) and it should spend within its means. If I rephrase the first value to "government should be limited in its scope", do you agree with the notion that it a conservative value? The Heritage Foundation ran this article a few months ago [heritage.org] on why the scope of government
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:5, Insightful)
Let the industry collapse no, let United, American, Delta and U.S. Air collapse yes. They are dinosaurs running dinosaur business models and they deserve to fail in a free market system and they probably are still going to fail and take all our tax dollar subsidies with them. Southwest, JetBlue and their ilk are clearly the winners in the industry and they should win without the government meddling in it and picking winning and losers.
As much as you rant in praise of Capitalism I'm dumbfounded when you defend the anticapitalist tendencies of the current Republican party.
They are in fact using our tax dollars and their stranglehold on power to reward their friends and punish their enemies. You don't have to look any further than the Medicare "Reform" bill which was a gigantic giveaway of our tax dollars to the health care and drug industry, and is offering very little benefit to seniors. Sure they get a drug discount but the drug industry was given a blank check to raise prices so they can erase the benefit of the dicount in a heartbeat. As a reminder the Medicare administration is fordbidden by that law from negotiating fair, quantity pricing which is why drugs are reasonably priced every place but the U.S. It is a mechanism for transfering our tax dollars in to the pockets of the drug and health megacorps with no real benefit to seniors and at a staggering price tag.
"Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity"
Well then the current administration is not conservative. Reference above Medicare reform, and reference all the no bid contracts in Iraq the Bush administration is handing to its cronies. If there were equality of opportunity any company could have bid for those contracts and the best bid would of won. Instead the companies that are winning are tapping the crony network to get an inside track on no bid contracts.
Cronyism is not "equality of opprtunity" it is their friends win and those who are not their friends don't even get a seat at the table.
"Conservatives believe in strong foreign policy and in not compromising national sovereignty."
Real conservatives abhor nation building and becoming entangled in foreign situations that are not integral to American security. The war in Afghanistan passed the "coservative test" since it directly affected American security. The war in Iraq DID NOT.
As you recall in 2000 Bush ran on a classic conservative platform that rejected nation building. In practice the Bush administration is nation building all over the globe, albeit they are doing a spectacularly bad job of it in Afghanistan, Haiti and Iraq in particular.
"Conservatives believe that small business is key to a healthy economy"
Yes they do but, the Bush administration by contrast is, in practice, overwhelmingly favoring policies that are destroying small business in America. The most obvious example being outsourcing of jobs to China which is devastating small business in America. Big corporations have no problem outsourcing, its a major challenge for small business to do it or compete against big business doing it. Walmart is single handedly devastating small business across the nation, both small retailers who can't compete on price and suppliers who Walmart is overtly pressuring to either offshore to China to match those prices or go out of business.
Another obvious example of anti business practice is the Bush administration gave Microsoft a free pass, a get out of jail free card, to a convicted monopolist. You don't favor small business by giving predatory monopolies a license to kill small businesses with innovative ideas.
Republicans can shovel shit about how they favor small business but their policies are obviously massively favoring big business, and especially big business relocating to China.
"We subsidize farmers because we like cheap food."
We subsidize farmers becaus
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Kensian economics is not a conservative value.
Again you are confusing 'conservative' with another issue. Free trade is generally considered to be a liberal attitude, just look at who fought NAFTA.
Re:Bush != Conservative (Score:2)
2. Get mine now.
3. Shut up, I'm on my thinkin' chair.
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That may be true , but are those positions wrong?
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Your insult aside, I don't see this as anything other than a newspaper editor explaining why he changed his endorsement from Bush to not-Bush. If you want to call this parotting the DNC's platform--well, I'd have to say that you're abstracting the issues so far that you'd be unable to tell the Green Party from the Democrats or Terrorists from Muslims.
Re:Tripe (Score:2, Troll)
I'm not at all suprised that newspapers would lift the text directly from the DNC website, after all, they've been lifting text from the Bush Administration for the last 3 years, the Clinton Administration before that, etc.
It's sad... (Score:4, Informative)
No Bias here. Noooooosiirrreeee.
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--trb
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What makes this a story is that Bush's hometown paper endorsed him in 2000. The Lowell Sun has been attacking Kerry relentlessly since 1972 when Kerry first moved there and upset the local good-ol-boy political network. It's not "news" when the Sun publishes the same "Vote Kerry's Opponent" endorsement it's published for the last 32 years.
-Isaac
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Though I guess it's relative. Are you an upstart here if your family's only lived here 200 years rather than 300?
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Why do we put up with this? (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, shouldn't they at least TRY to be non-biased about the news they report? I know I know...there is this "Liberal Media" that's suppose to pump up all Democrats and rake-across-the-coals all Republicans...at the same time there are conservative news outlets that almost try to convince us that Democrats cause cancer....but shouldn't they at least pretend to not be biased?
I want my news from unbiased..."we don't endorse anyone" kind of thing. I know, it's a pipe dream to try to find just raw news reporting without SOMEONE saying it's biased one way or another.
Just always wondered why newspapers go out on a limb like that.
Re:Why do we put up with this? (Score:2)
When people have explained this to me, they always cite a famous newspaper, The Washington Post, perhaps? I can't remember, but has anyone else heard this explanation?
If true, then it would help explain why newspape
Re:Why do we put up with this? (Score:2)
Never thought about it that way. I suppose I'm trying to live in an idealized world.
Re:Why do we put up with this? (Score:2)
Like Soylent Green, newspapers are made out of people.
The fact is that some journalists go into reporting as a way to satisfy their desire to be listened to. They report what they want you to hear in the way they want to you hear it.
Many uphold and respect the idea of no bias, but only the stupid believe that they are really unbiased.
Small town papers don't pay well, and won't necessarily have the kind of reporter that can be as un
Re:Why do we put up with this? (Score:3, Insightful)
See the editorial today in the nytimes as an example of this. They publish an editorial saying that Condi should be fired because of the Iraqi centrifuge lies/mistruths/errors/whatever.
home coverage (Score:2)
They seem pretty slippery...... (Score:2, Interesting)
More of this? (Score:3)
1) Ludicrously insignificant
2) A week old
Well that settles it then... (Score:3, Funny)
I mean, really - I have no idea who to vote for until someone tells me. I'm just scared that someone will come along and endorse Bush, and then I'll have no idea what to do...
Re:Well that settles it then... (Score:3, Interesting)
--trb
Social Security (Score:5, Interesting)
Social Security as it exists today is a massive government mandated pyramid scheme that lets politicians in Washington dupe millions of people out of hard earned money on the grounds that it's "for retirement". In truth had the government issued savings bonds (the lowest yeild investment you can get) to everyone on Social Security everybody would have been better off. The government could have used the lower interest debt to pay off higher interest debt and the retireees would have more money. Furthermore the retirees would know EXACTLY how much money they have for retirement and know it is gauranteed instead of having some vague promise subject to political whims. Instead, the current scheme was concocted where people working today pay for those who worked before them and they in turn will be paid for by those who work after them. Obviously this rely's on the pool of workers never dropping, a rediculous assumption. Furthermore, as it is, the payouts on Social Security for almost all beneficiaries are below inflation (that is they are getting less value out then they put in) and served as a worse investment than savings bonds (which is considered the lowest return you should every accept and then only in small ammounts). While this isn't that big of a deal for those of us making enough money to plan for retirement without social security, many people who are less fortunate then us NEED that money to be invested wisely so that they CAN retire. Ripping them off for political gains is amoral behavior and should stop. What we need to do is get the government and it's bueracray out of running a retirement bussiness. Steps:
Re:Social Security (Score:2)
Great. Except I am confused over the "little cost" line. If we give someone a savings bond, then there is a cost. It may be hidden somehow by being a bond (and maybe you can explain it to me), but a bond still has some cost somewhere along the way. Note that it is pretty likely the government is already paying low interest rates on it's debt (the government refinances its debt the same way we all re-
Re:Social Security (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm all for reforming social security, but transitioning to a system where you pay into your own savings account has a few problems.
1) where do you get the money to support those that are currently on Social Security? Right now, it comes from those that are putting money in. As I'm sure you're awar
Re:Social Security (Score:2)
> How do you fund those that can't work, will never work (the disabled)?
This is currently a separate program, I presume it would stay that way.
> How do you resolve the fact that some people, even if forced to save a portion of their income, will never have enough money saved to be able to retire
I would strongly encourage those people to refuse to work in jobs that don't pay them subs
Re:Social Security (Score:3, Insightful)
No I've consolidated the National Debt and the Social Security Debt. They both exist now. Afterward they'd be part of the same thing. People who have paid in for social security do have a legitimate claim against the government.
> You're funding the current retirees how again?
The same way we do now. We're just being explicit and efficient about it. I'm going to borrow money from you and agree to pay X, then I'm going to pay this
Meaningless (Score:3, Interesting)
Most of the town residents have started boycotting the paper since the editorial ran.
If I were Kerry I would disavow this endorsement. (Score:3, Interesting)
Nah, I don't think I would want this endorsement, regardless of how many years since its founding. The original founder is just to shameful.
As a Conservative, this said it best for me. (Score:4, Interesting)
Why I will vote for John Kerry for President - by John Eisenhower, son of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3½ years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.
Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we "always have." We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.
As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration's decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.
The fact is that today's "Republican" Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word "Republican" has always been synonymous with the word "responsibility," which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today's whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.
Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.
In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.
Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy. Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, "If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both." I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.
The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so. The Eisenhower administration accomplished that difficult task three times during its eight years in office. It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation's financial structure sound.
The Republicans used to be deeply concerned for the middle class and small business. Today's Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor.
Sen. Kerry, in whom I am willing to place my trust, has demonstrated that he is courageous, sober, competent, and concerned with fighting the
Re:As a Conservative, this said it best for me. (Score:3, Insightful)
The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so.
I'm not sure which Republican Party he was thinking of, but the Republican Party I know has not been fiscally responsible or balanced budgets for over 20 years: http://www.centrists.org/images/charts_and_graphs / deficit_1980-2015.gif [centrists.org] He must be confusing Clinton for a Republican.
And in other news... (Score:3, Insightful)
They're also both aided and abetted by a media which never concentrates on substantive issues and instead gives us a constant, meaningless stream of soundbytes, empty endorsements, and stupid comments about which candidate had the slicker speaking style or better hair.
We've let politics in America degenerate to the banality of the Redskins/Cowboys rivalry, (btw: Go Cowboys!) and in effect, insured that the government will grow stronger at our expenses, and for the benefit of big business and other special interests.
What to do about it? This year, I'm seriously planning to vote for a third party candidate who more closely matches my values. I'm also taking the attitude that I should live my life the way I want to. If I don't like one state's tax policy, I'm not moving there. I voted with my feet and moved to Texas instead of California. If you don't like Wal-mart and other unethically run businesses, then find some locally owned businesses to patronize. If you don't have any, please move to Austin and support our local businesses. I didn't buy an SUV bacause I don't want to consume that much fuel, and I bought a 1000 square foot condo instead of the big house I can afford. I don't see the need to buy a bunch of needless crap to fill up a big house.
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When Democrats like Kerry come out talking about how eliminating the death tax was pandering to the rich. Farmers sitting at home trying to figure out how they are going to scrape by conclude that the Democrats have their head in the clouds.
I've known too many farmers get ruined by that tax to ever vote for anyone stupid enough to support it and I've got to conclude that if you can't (or won't) do simple research on this issue, you probably won't do it on others. I've even told some democrats about this problem and have met with nothing but name calling, denial, and rejection.
On a personal note, as someone who has personally spoken with many politicians on both sides I can at least say that whenever I've had a problem, the Republicans have listened and usually tried to help. I've NEVER had a democrat politician take the time of day to quit with their retoric and try and understand what I have to say.
That's not to say I don't disagree with the Republicans on many issues (I'm probably split about 50/50). But having repeated good experiences with them does influence my voting.
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:3, Interesting)
However, having said that- there's something I could support Bush on if I was convinced that he'd do anything about it properly (that is, relieve the family farmer without putting in a giant loophole to allow all his friends to continue to hoard liquidity
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:4, Informative)
Sen. Kerry and President Bush also differ sharply on estate taxes. Under current law, the basic exclusion from federal estate taxes this year is $1.5 million. That exclusion is scheduled to rise in stages, reaching $3.5 million in 2009, while the top tax rate, now 48 percent, is set to decline in stages. The estate tax is scheduled to vanish completely in the year 2010 -- only to reappear in 2011.
Sen. Kerry favors raising the basic estate-tax exemption to $2 million "immediately," Furman says, and also setting an exemption of $10 million for a small business or family farm. The exemption would grow with inflation. President Bush wants to kill "death taxes" completely.
I'm still trying to determine how an estate tax is fair at ALL. I get taxed on my income, I get taxed on my interest, I get taxed on profit from my property when I sell it...how many times do I need to get taxed? The fact that the estate tax is 45% is also a killer.
--trb
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Personally, I think we'd be better off without a
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Because it helps to ensure that those who are rich are those who earned their wealth?
Rob
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Someone buys something, works it makes it profitable (paying taxes the whole time), and when he dies the government decides to take another chunk..
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--trb
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If you haven't formally submitted that Lowell Sun editorial yet, you should do so. That's the only way right-wing articles will get posted.
Rob
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From your link:
Ahem, Bin Laden, has not been captured, and our economy is still hurting.
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Rob
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:4, Insightful)
Human embryonic stem cells are harvested from blastocysts, which are very young embryos. In order to turn a zygote in to a blastocyst you have to let it grow.
That's the key difference. Harvesting embryonic stem cells is, ethically, equivalent to letting a baby grow only to kill it and use it for experimentation.
Medical ethics is important. It's better to be overly cautious in the face of hard ethical questions to give time for the philosophers to catch up with the engineers.
Particularly in this case, since the results from tests involving embryonic stem cells have, to date, been so utterly dismal.
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2)
For those Slashdotters who don't know, a blastocyst [wikipedia.org] is a ball of undifferentiated cells. That's it. A blastocyst is barely any different than a zygote from a moral standpoint, since neither of them have any organs or tissues at all, much less viable lungs, hearts, or brains.
Rob
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2)
First- Bush personally isn't anti-abortion, he even paid for one for his girlfriend back in 1970. He's using that as an issue to get religious people to vote for him- and he throws them bones, like the Partial Birth Abortion Bill which got destroyed by the courts, and reducing funding for sex ed programs that include abortion and birth control as op
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I do agree that Bush mostly pays lip service to the abortion issue, but he will pick judges that will base their decisions on the Constitution and not just pull rights out of their nether regions with vaguely-worded justifications that barely conceal the fact that they are merely establishing these so-called rights by fiat.
Speaking of hypocri
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If previous conservative picks to the judiciary are any indication (especially Scalia) the only basis for their decision is who offers the best vacations, and does my family have any st
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Im sorry this is just a plain stupid statement on both a logical and factual basis.
There are 4,000 abortions a day in the US, I would like to see some statisitc that in 1960 there were that many abortions a day (1.5 Million a year)
On to the "theyll do it anyway", people steal cars and die in high speed chases so why keep car theft
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Well, maybe not 1.5 million a year- but certainly above 1 million a year. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193727.html [infoplease.com] This article suggests that the teen pregnancy rate in general has fallen since the early 1960s- and the abortion rate more so- but that was before the Bush Admin's fiscal policies induced the jump in the abortion rate that you reference (Clin
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2)
A huge part of the problem here is the over taxing of the American family. I am somewhere around the 80th percentile of income earners in the US, my nicome would easily support my family if I did not have to pay so much of it in taxes. Even with that I make due and with my wife pregnant and thinking of leaving her j
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Do you remember anything?
No and I dont remember the doctor smacking my rear but Im pretty sure I was a preson when he did it
What's your reaction to all the naturally unconcieved babies due to miscariages?
The same as still born babies
Why do you value embryos and fetuses as much as a living human being able to make choices, who is also hopefully a productive member of society?
For the same reason I value babies and toddlers
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No, it's just the first issue I vote on. Put yourself in my shoes; just for a minute, pretend that you believe that fetuses are living human beings before being born. Could you possibly vote for a candidate that will uphold the right to kill these children?
No. I also don't remember anything before the age of 4. Should this have given my mother the right to stab me in the neck with a pair of scissors w
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Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:3, Interesting)
On the basis of a couple of social issues that won't change (abortion's a Constitutional right and the "God Hates Fags Amendment" can't even pass Congress), you're voting for
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2, Flamebait)
That's funny; I don't remember the right to kill being included with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Freed the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator, saving the lives of thousands upon thousands of Iraqis in the process, as well as captured 75% of the leadership of Al Qaeda.
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Aren't we supposed to assume that all rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution are left for the States and/or People?
Of course, we had a to kill thousands upon thousands of Iraqis to do so, and now let's see if we can keep the country away from the hands of would
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There are lots of brutal dictators in the world. When are we going to start invading half of Africa? How about North Korea? I can't wait! Or do we only care about people oppressed in resource-rich nations? We also killed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis (non-militants) in the process.
Also, I don't recall anything about "brutal dictators" or oppressed people in the case made for war
Re:Did you look at your own "data"? (Score:3, Insightful)
Rob
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2)
Slavery was more written into the constitution than abortion could ever been believed to be. So I guess all those silly abolitionist in the 1840's should have shut up and accepted it as for all times legal..
What the Constitution says and doesn't say (Score:3, Insightful)
This is like the "Constitutionally mandated separation of church and state." The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution. What you will find in the establishment clause [umkc.edu] is that the state should not establish religion. It is actually the "Supreme Court mandated separation of church and state" based on its interpretation of the Constitution.
Abortion is the same. It is not mentioned anywher
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:2)
Please read my post above on the "death tax" and how it hurts small farmers before repeating this.
> such as the need for a homeland security department, the 9-11 investigation, etc.
This is one of Bush's biggest problems. he starts off in one possition that makes sense and then caves to pressure from the media, special interests, and other politicians.
> pulled the nation into a pointless misadventure of a war, wasting the lives of 1000+ American
Re:Doesn't matter. (Score:3, Insightful)
According to the officer I bothered to track down and speak to before forming assinine opinions about something I know nothing about (unlike a certain other slashdot poster): the terrain was incredibly dangerous and air s
Re:What next? (Score:2)
N3WBI3 -- RedSox fan from NY