


How Democrats and Republicans Cite Science (nature.com) 211
An anonymous reader shares a Nature story: The United States is known for the deep polarization between its two major political parties -- the right-wing Republicans and left-wing Democrats. Now an analysis of hundreds of thousands of policy documents reveals striking differences in partisan policymakers' use of the scientific literature, with Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing counterparts. The analysis also shows that Democrats and left-leaning think tanks are more likely to cite high-impact research, and that the two political sides rarely cite the same studies or even the same topics.
"There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the science cited by partisan policymakers," says Alexander Furnas, a political scientist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, and a co-author of the analysis, published in Science on 24 April. The researchers used the government-policy database Overton to assemble around 50,000 policy documents produced by US congressional committees in 1995-2021 and around 200,000 reports from 121 ideologically driven US think tanks over a similar period. These documents contained 424,000 scientific references.
A statistical analysis revealed that congressional reports are now more likely to cite science papers than before. But, in each two-year congressional cycle, documents from committees under Democratic control had a higher probability of citing research papers, and the gap between the two parties has increased. Overall, documents from Democratic-controlled committees were nearly 1.8 times more likely to cite science than were reports from Republican-led ones. The differences were starkest for reports produced by partisan think tanks, which the researchers say are "key resources for partisan policymakers." Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than right-leaning ones. And there was little overlap between the science referenced by the two sides: just 5-6% of studies were cited by both groups.
"There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the science cited by partisan policymakers," says Alexander Furnas, a political scientist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, and a co-author of the analysis, published in Science on 24 April. The researchers used the government-policy database Overton to assemble around 50,000 policy documents produced by US congressional committees in 1995-2021 and around 200,000 reports from 121 ideologically driven US think tanks over a similar period. These documents contained 424,000 scientific references.
A statistical analysis revealed that congressional reports are now more likely to cite science papers than before. But, in each two-year congressional cycle, documents from committees under Democratic control had a higher probability of citing research papers, and the gap between the two parties has increased. Overall, documents from Democratic-controlled committees were nearly 1.8 times more likely to cite science than were reports from Republican-led ones. The differences were starkest for reports produced by partisan think tanks, which the researchers say are "key resources for partisan policymakers." Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than right-leaning ones. And there was little overlap between the science referenced by the two sides: just 5-6% of studies were cited by both groups.
US democrats are "left-wing" (Score:5, Informative)
Re: US democrats are "left-wing" (Score:5, Interesting)
I usually vote for Dems, and I disagree with Gavin Newsom on many idealogical and philosophical points.
But right now I am mainly focused on criticizing authoratarians that have infiltrated the federal government. It's a matter of priorities, and a matter of not every instance of accusing your opponent of being like Hitler is hyperbole.
At this stage, I'll work with wall street friendly Third Way Democrats, old guard neoliberals, New Left Democrats, actual card carrying communists, conservative independants, etc.
The priority is counter revolution, a return to the status quo, restoration of the US Constitution, and return of economic and geopolitical policy of the previous decades.
Why? Well mostly I don't want to pay duties when I order R/C parts from hobby stores in Hong Kong. But also, I kind of wonder if my driver's license would be accepted by ICE as proof of my citizenship, or if they could just accuse my scorpion tat as evidence of being in a gang.
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Great post. Thanks for it. One point though:
I kind of wonder if my driver's license would be accepted by ICE as proof of my citizenship
It shouldn't be. I'm not a citizen, yet I have a driver's license.
All states allow legal residents (even non-permanent ones) to obtain a driver's license. Some states even allow undocumented immigrants to obtain one.
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You don't need to be a citizen to get a "Real ID." You just need to be a legal resident. That may be enough to satisfy ICE that you're here legally, but it's not enough for voting.
Re: US democrats are "left-wing" (Score:2, Troll)
Re: US democrats are "left-wing" (Score:5, Insightful)
Well when you're up there sieg heiling https://www.theguardian.com/te... [theguardian.com] making lists of "undesirable" people https://www.axios.com/2025/04/... [axios.com] and disappearing people without due process some people might start to suspect something https://newrepublic.com/post/1... [newrepublic.com]
Re:US democrats are "left-wing" (Score:4, Informative)
1. willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
2. relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
What on earth is wrong with either of those?
Re: It's very simple (Score:3)
They're not. But they are the left most party with any significant representation, at least nationally.
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Reality has a well-known liberal bias (Score:4, Insightful)
When you're focused on dictating behavior, the only authority you're citing is violence.
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That nicely sums it up. And that is what will not make America great, but an unimportant backwater in the longer run: People that think they can force reality to work how they want it to work and that think facts change if you just believe strongly enough. Faiures.
Re:Reality has a well-known liberal bias (Score:4, Informative)
Guns won't protect you from the FBI or the CIA. However, if you check
https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]
you'll see that even a right wingnut rag like Forbes can explain to you that guns won't protect you from guns, although they will help you exit the gene pool.
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Nothing can protect you against gun, apart from YOUR gun.
Having a gun will only protect you against somebody else with a gun if you shoot them first (and accurately). In most situations, the person who shoots first is the one who cares least about verifying who they shoot.
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Violence *is* the teeth behind all other authority [...]
I genuinely don't think that needs to be true, although I agree that it's the easiest mode of authority, and so perhaps the most common.
But I think that some societies have a communal sense of "right", and grant authority to leadership on that basis. Compliance happens through a sort of peer pressure.
It's probably fair to say that this is less feasible in a country like the US with a cultural tendency towards individual rights (rather than the group as a whole), but I think it is present in subcultures with
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Violence *is* the teeth behind all other authority except perhaps the religious variety.
What? The religious variety is the most violent of them all with very rare exceptions. Did you not learn any history in school?
The U.S. Doesn't Have a Left-Wing Party... (Score:5, Informative)
...only a conservative party (the Democrats) and an ultra-conservative party (the Republicans).
The Democrat party is a coalition party (Score:2, Troll)
It would be more convenient for people who don't pay a lot of attention to politics if we could have a voting system that allowed people to be more obvious about it. So the peo
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Republicans are radical, the opposite of conservative. Democrats are non-functioning, once a tent becomes too large it ceases to be a tent at all. There is neither a left wing party nor a right wing party.
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Do you know where the term right and left wings come from? The sides of the room they sit on. So as long as there are right and lefts sides of a room, there can always be a right wing party or left wing party.
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Yes, there is a left-wing party: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
(Members: 15000. Members in elected offices: 0)
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Conservative implies safe and well thought out. That's what the word means in every other context.
I disagree. The meaning of conservative is unambiguous: keep the status quo. Nothing to do with safe and well thought out.
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Right, preserving slavery was once a conservative value, but it was not safe or well thought out. Banning abortion is not conservative either, it is radical.
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You might want to lookup a little on the history of slavery.
Re: There's nothing conservative about Republicans (Score:2)
Ever heard of the "Southern strategy?"
Basically, it was racists who fought for slavery, and back in the day the racists were mostly in the Democrat party. I think we can all agree on that.
But in the 60s and 70s, the Republican party decided that they wanted the racists in their camp. They courted the racists actively, deliberately, and with a paper trail.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
And they succeeded.
So I'm glad you brought this up. It's an important chain of events, and I wish more people in the Unite
Was going to ask where you got your number (Score:2)
given that you repeat it like some quasi-religious mantra without a shred of evidence... but then I saw you seem to refer to Fark as a source for anything serious and I immediately recognized your mental illness... probably good that you posted as a self-identified anonymous coward.
Basic logical problems with your claim of 7 million stolen votes:
1. Democrats, not Republicans, controlled the federal government during the 2024 election cycle.
2. Republican power brokers HATE Trump and his supporters and would
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PS. It was the Republicans that fought and won the war against slavery....just saying.
Republicans of the Civil War era were progressives. Or do you think that conservatives of the time would have been willing to pass the Reconstruction Amendments?
I suspect the guy you were replying to (Score:2)
Before that the Republican party was the progressive party of America and the Democrat party was an honest to God conservative party.
The civil rights movement and racism caused the parties to flip alignments with the Republican party becoming hyper fixated on large businesses and large business interests and the Democrat party becoming the working class party with a emphasis on civil rights.
I mean yeah I did (Score:2)
Never mind all the red states banning abortions (Score:2)
Never mind all the red states more or less banning abortions since that court decision was made.
Those are conservatives doing that.
Even if that's true (Score:2)
The Republican party isn't conservative no matter what definition you want to pick. They're about wielding power and maintaining a strict social hierarchy of their personal preference, with the occasional person allowed to climb
Re: There's nothing conservative about Republicans (Score:5, Insightful)
Science (Score:2, Troll)
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Sounds to me like either conservatives can't understand these studies or they are afraid they will find out something they don't like about the world in them. Either way it's a difficult thing to defend, making up your own truth about something that was studied and found to be different.
Or maybe it does not matter. Even if there is science on a particular subject, that in no way means you agree with any particular policy in response. Not every scientific paper means "we have to do something", though busybodies and zealots are always looking for any excuse and government has a lot of those types. It's even not at all unusual with governments for a response to a problem being worse than the original problem. All the science in the world unfortunately can't fix that part.
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Sure but in many of these cases we are not talking about policy disagreements, if only it were that, that's what it's supposed to be; Republicans have one policy on climate change, Democrats another but we can't even have that discussion because we are still arguing with "is it happening at all", like you said, all the science in the world hasn't moved us past that.
Same with covid; there is a very valid and very important argument to be had about appropriate measures in the wake of it. When and how should
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Republicans have one policy on climate change, Democrats another but we can't even have that discussion because we are still arguing with "is it happening at all", like you said, all the science in the world hasn't moved us past that.
I'm not sure that is actually true. Few people argue climate never changes. Rate and causation are not really relevant if you don't consider it a government problem in any case, so no need to cite anything, and that is what this article is about, the citations.
Same with covid; there is a very valid and very important argument to be had about appropriate measures in the wake of it.
Agreed. It's hard to come back and discuss how something can be done better with all the enemies you made the first time though. That too is a common problem.
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So all the scientists yelling "based on all that science our conclusion is we need to do something", that part of the science doesn't matter? I suppose that's a way we can handle things but again, we're not arguing "climate changes", that's silly to say, it's that the change is unnatural and we are the cause. Do we agree on that?
I would again put much of that blame that it caused enemies at all down to the ideological rejection of facts. How do you talk about proper vaccine response with people who think
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So all the scientists yelling "based on all that science our conclusion is we need to do something", that part of the science doesn't matter?
It's not science per se, no. And activist scientists are bad for science IMHO but that is another discussion. Policy should be left to policymakers. Scientists are free to run for office. Some of them even do. Voters can decide directly if they want to buy the solutions they are selling, it does not get much better than that. And if people vote for policymakers who say we don't care, that is a fair choice too.
I would again put much of that blame that it caused enemies at all down to the ideological rejection of facts. How do you talk about proper vaccine response with people who think it's secret poison with no evidence?
I think you equate an entire large middle ground with a vocal fringe. They do the same of co
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Scientists *absolutely* consider those thing, even when they don't have to. The entire thing they are pointing out specifically with regards to say the climate debate is the effect is will have on the current human way of life. Yes the politicians job is to take that information and turn it into some type of policy or at least form a coherent response to their actions because that is their job, to hire the right advisors and be able to interpret many different pieces of information even if they have no for
Left and Right embraces science ... (Score:2)
Politics always corrupts science, logic, etc. If you do science, engineering, etc
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Sounds to me like either conservatives can't understand these studies or they are afraid they will find out something they don't like about the world in them. Either way it's a difficult thing to defend, making up your own truth about something that was studied and found to be different.
From what I've seen of the "general populace" online, liberals largely think that science is a method of learning more about the world and ways to improve our lives; conservative largely think scientists are in the pocket of whomever is funding them and will create any sort of result their financial masters desire. So it makes no sense for conservatives to cite scientific studies when they believe all science is bogus.
Re: Science (Score:2)
Science and how not to Use It (Score:2)
Sounds to me like either conservatives can't understand these studies or they are afraid they will find out something they don't like about the world in them.
It sounds to be like neither of them are using science properly. The paper shows that each party cited papers on the topics that it was most concerned about, suggesting that they are both cherry picking papers to match their decided conclusions and not using papers to come to a conclusion. Indeed the suggestion that somehow more citations is better is an appeal to authority which is a logical fallacy. What matters is whether what they are saying is factually correct or wrong and the amount of citations is
Re:Science and how not to Use It (Score:5, Informative)
The paper goes into lots of detail about this.
We find that papers cited by only Democratic committees are more likely than those cited by only Republican committees to be hit papers in science, defined as the top 5% of the most cited papers in their field and year (uD = 0.48 versus uR = 0.44, t = 7.50, df = 27468, P < 0.0001; see fig. S25A). Democratic committees' documents are also more likely to cite science that has passed peer review (measured as percent preprint; uD = 0.0138 versus uR = 0.0184, t = -3.60, df = 28109, P < 0.001; see fig. S25C), and tend to cite slightly older science than Republican committees (uD = 8.22 versus uR = 7.93, t = 3.16, df = 36945, P < 0.01; see fig. S25D).
Democrats are more likely to cite highly regarded papers that are influential in their fields. Republicans are less likely to cite papers at all, and when they do cite papers they tend to be less influential ones, and are more likely to not even have been peer reviewed.
See the paper for many more details.
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However, my point is that citations are a measure of popularity, not necessarily accuracy.
Citations are a measure of how well regarded a paper is in the field. Calling it "popularity" implies it's arbitrary and has no objective basis, like what musicians or hair styles are most popular. That's not true. Experts cite papers that, based on their expertise, they consider worth citing. Highly cited papers tend to be more reliable on average than ones no one cites.
Or put aside the social sciences and consider only issues based on hard science: climate change, vaccines, evolution, infectious disea
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That generated over 500 citations and I can definitely tell you that it was not because the work was "well regarded".
You're cherry picking. Do you honestly believe citations are uncorrelated with quality? Seriously? You can find exceptions to every rule, but the overwhelming rule is that highly cited papers are better regarded than rarely cited ones.
However, the left also has its problems with mis-using evidence. For example, claiming that one weather event is evidence of climate change - multiple weather events over multiple years yes, one weather event no.
Actually, weather attribution has progressed to the point that we really can make solid statements about individual events, if the event is extreme enough. This may be a case where they understand the science better than you do.
In any case, you're making a false equivalenc
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Indeed. But trying to defend something that is in conflict with well extablished facts is also a sign of a severe mental disability that basically prevents rational decision making. This is acceptable in younger children, but anybody older with that defect becomes a problem.
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But it is a simple fact of life that not everyone will agree on everything. Would be nice to stop having crimes so that we could divert resources away from fighting criminals and into more interesting endeavors. Doesn't mean that this will happen. Ever.
I try to do what I believe is right, which is to put myself in other's shoes. Others will simply take your shoes because they like them more than their own, and they can justify their decision to themselves as perfectly as I can justify mine.
And so some parti
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A thousand years ago, if the villagers on the other side of the river decided to start eating poop and all caught some form of deadly illness, it was their issue.
That's not how things work though, just because they were not aware of germ theory doesn't mean the actions didn't affect them, especially when even in your scenario, they share the river. Sure today the scale is bigger but life is immeasurably better for every human alive today than that time. The foundation of civilization is through some means forcing people into some mold of what we all consider "right", law is effectively morals with enforcement. We "force" people not to murder each other but now we
Re: Science (Score:2)
But it is a simple fact of life that not everyone will agree on everything.
But science isn't about agreeing or disagreeing. Unless the study is flawed, it is proven fact so there is nothing to disagree with. If the study is flawed than point it out. But not believing a study just because you don't like what it proves is called bias.
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Give one example quote of Joe Biden being "skeptical of the vaccine"
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Give one example quote of Joe Biden being "skeptical of the vaccine"
"[Aug. 6, 2020] If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."
Sounds a bit like RFK Jr's current positioning.
"[July 28, 2020] And the question of whether it’s real, when it’s there, that requires enormous transparency. You’ve got to make all of it available to other experts across the nation, so they can look and see, so there’s consensus this is a safe vaccine. Because already y
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Bro those statements are absolutely fine particularly when Trump is talking about deep state FDA undercutting him and reports he was trying to remove safety guidelines.
https://www.politico.com/news/... [politico.com]
https://apnews.com/article/ele... [apnews.com]
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1... [nytimes.com]
Biden also praised Trump and Operation Warp Speed in Dec 2020 when he took one of the first doses whereas Trump doesn't even take credit for his own good work.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
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Well provide a link to the full context of those quotes and let's check. I'll even watch a video. You've given 2 sentences from what I presume is a longer statement and then equivocate to RFK (tactically admitting RFK is a nutbar)
Look I know this is difficult but Trump and Biden are not the same, it's not simply "politics" that's the lazy man answer.
Biden Sept 16th
"Scientific breakthroughs don’t care about calendars any more than the virus does. They certainly don’t adhere to election cycles. An
OR, he was just spouting politics all along (Score:2)
Now go read the campaign era Biden statements. Same sort of stuff, the testing may not be complete. Post election, I guess all that testing must have just happened since he is now taking the vaccine and promoting its use. OR, he was just
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So no full context, got it. Keep it to the talking points, good move.
Which vaccines are still under EUA?
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Or he could have... like plenty of other perfectly reasonable people, been initially confused or uninformed about mRNA and why the COVID vaccines were so different from others and how they were able to be developed so quickly, but were also not full-up loonies... been skeptical because he was not yet fully informed of the facts. That's the thing. Ignorance is not inherently bad. It just meanders you are not yet informed on the topic. It's the rejection of that information and the decision to remain igno
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So no full context, got it.
It's a public speech. I even gave the dates. Have you not used google in the last few years? You ask google about Biden's speeches that were skeptical about the vaccine and google directly gives you a bunch of quotes. Give it a try.
Context, LOL! Basically comments about Trump being evil. The context only makes his quoted comments look more political.
Which vaccines are still under EUA?
That's RFK Jr's claim these days. That vaccines are not required to go through the same peer-review double-blind trials that pharmaceuticals are. that emerge
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I did try and could not find it except for a right wing article which the links were dead, so i assume you pulled it from there as well but hoping you actually had it? But you're making the claim so that's on you.
Great, he made a claim, why do you not seem to care if that claim is at all correct? What a waste of time and money.
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The original argument was that "being pro vaccines is not left wing" and you then provided a counter argument that conflated Biden being skeptical of what the prior Trump administration was claiming about a yet to be released vaccine with him being skeptical of vaccines. These are two vastly different things and conflating the two in an effort to make the point you just did shows that your argument is based on politics and not actual facts.
Or perhaps you are one of those who believe every claim being made,
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Dude, you're so fucking dishonest with those quotes and it's literally propaganda. Here is the full quote for anyone not dumb enough to fall for this shit. https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]
"The way he (Trump) talks about the vaccine is not particularly rational. He’s talking about it being ready, he’s going to talk about moving it quicker than the scientists think it should be moved . People don’t believe that he’s telling the truth, therefore they’re not at all certain they
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Dude, you're so fucking dishonest with those quotes and it's literally propaganda.
There is nothing dishonest about my quotes. The parts you add make Biden's comment even more political motivated. He's spewing party propaganda not reality to bootstrap skepticism. You make my point that its all political even stronger, thank you.
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> I seem to recall a famously right wing President
> being very pro-vaccine recently. And his rival left
> wing Presidential race opponent being skeptical
> of that same recent vaccine.
Oh? And which side has, for years now, been trying to use "You sound vaccinated." as an insult or as if it somehow discredits the other person's point such that it should be dismissed out-of-hand? I'll give you a hint, it does not start with the letter "D."
And which side has been spreading whack job conspiracy theo
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> I seem to recall a famously right wing President > being very pro-vaccine recently. And his rival left > wing Presidential race opponent being skeptical > of that same recent vaccine.
Oh? And which side has, for years now, been trying to use "You sound vaccinated." as an insult ...
I suppose you missed my point that being pro or skeptical seems to vary with politics. You've just reinforced my point. Thank you.
>And which side has been spreading whack job conspiracy theories about how the vaccines ... I'll give you a hint, it does not start with the letter "D."
Actually Democrat called RFK Jr advanced that silliness. And pre-covid anti-vaxxers were pretty much considered a thing among affluent white liberals. The first group mentioned when someone asked for an example of liberals being anti-science.
I suppose you also missed my point that RFK Jr moderated himself as he became part of Trump's team. That rather than the old craziness hi
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That is nonsense. Academics come in all political leanings. But at least in STEM, you have to _prove_ your findings. And that means sticking to reality. Yes, I get that you are not smart enough to understand that.
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Academia is only left wing in the sense that believing in evidence has been defined to be left wing. That didn't used to be the case. But conservatives have fully embraced conspiracy theories, rejected all evidence that contradicts their preferred beliefs, and made anti-intellectualism one of their core positions. Hence, being an intellectual has been redefined to be "left wing".
That is, of course, exactly what authoritarian movements always do. It's a textbook case. Authoritarians always use conspirac
False in the very first sentence. (Score:3, Insightful)
"The United States is known for the deep polarization between its two major political parties -- the right-wing Republicans and left-wing Democrats. "
The US no longer has two major political parties differentiated by right wing and left wing. This is a fundamental falsehood designed to suggest that what we have is business as usual. The US does not have functioning political parties at all and Republicans are only right wing by coincidence, the party displays the opposite of conservatism.
Of course Democrats are more likely to cite actual research, but so what? Truth doesn't matter, social wedges do.
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Everywhere is polarized, it is not just the US.
It's particularly the case with the US, because its system supports exactly 2 parties (Effective number of parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ). Two options naturally create a "divergence of political attitudes away from the center, towards ideological extremes." (Political polarization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ), because that's the only way the two options have to differentiate. If the US system supported more options, the third one would tend to be an in-between, a political center, where
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When you don't have first-hand knowledge... (Score:2)
Commonly, people tend to trust those with the same ideological background.
The article uses the phrase "left-wing" Democrats, whereas the spectra of both parties overlap. The closer to the centre a person is, the more likely they are to trust peer-reviewed science.
If you've decided to trust a paper based solely on ideology, you need backup.
Boy... (Score:5, Funny)
Boy, there are a lot of pissed, angry conservatives in this thread.
False equivalence. It's not right-wing vs left-win (Score:2)
This says as much about scientists as politicians (Score:2)
Science is frequently seen as the least-skewed type of writing. It is still pretty far from foolproof. And when things that are not foolproof are cited by further work, there's not an obvious way to address all of them at once.
I applaud this work. Let's stay tuned!
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There is no skewing. There are people (like you) that are in denial regarding reality, hence things look skewed to you. In actual reality, at least STEM scientists are pretty much allo ver the place politically. But here is the thing people like you do not understand: Research comes with a burden of proof. You cannot poof things that are wrong. Hence there is a very strong bias towards factual reality in STEM research.
GOP and the Partisan Dismissal of Reality (Score:3)
Looks like abandoning science wasn’t just a MAGA sideshow — it’s been structurally baked into GOP policymaking for decades.
Northwestern just dropped a brutal empirical study — Partisan Disparities in the Use of Science in Policy (Furnas et al., 2024) — showing that Republican policymakers systematically cite less science, cite worse science, and trust scientists about as much as they trust independent election auditors.
The findings are brutal: Democratic committees are nearly twice as likely to cite science as Republican ones, and left-leaning think tanks are five times more likely to ground their arguments in scientific research. Republicans, when they cite science at all, lean heavily on outdated, low-impact, or pre-peer-review work — the intellectual equivalent of presenting a stack of hotel bar napkins as expert testimony. Republicans aren’t cherry-picking from the same tree — they’re harvesting from a rotting orchard, and they’ve been doing it for a quarter-century.
Why?
Because the modern GOP — hijacked first by the Dixiecrats looking for safe harbor during the Civil Rights movement, and then two generations later by MAGA's mob of white Christian Nationalists and authoritarian nutbars — is a coalition built on resentment, reaction, and rejection of any authority outside its own tribal mythos. Of course they distrust scientists. Scientists have an inconvenient habit of insisting that gravity works, vaccines save lives, and the Earth is older than 6,000 years. But the GOP's vision of conservatism, especially the MAGA-infested version it is currently suffering under, demands more.
Frank Wilhoit's ruthless summary of conservatism nails it:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:
There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
The MAGA conservatives running the current GOP want to advance and protect their privilege, not any conservative principle. Every scientific fact that challenges their privileged position in the power structure becomes the enemy. Science, like justice, demands impartiality. Conservatism, corrupted by MAGA into tribalism, demands exceptions.
You don't need a PhD in political science to draw a straight line from the southern "Dixiecrat" realignment during the Civil Rights movement to today's Project 2025 fever dreams. It's the same anti-intellectualism, the same theocratic longings, just duct-taped onto an internet-age grift machine.
And the kicker?
This paper robustly shows that even when both parties write policy documents about the same issue — say, minimum wage — they still cite completely different scientific studies. They're not building on a common foundation; they're arguing from different planets.
Which brings us to now. The GOP’s Project 2025 outlines plans to dismantle the administrative state — a media-friendly sound bite and polite euphemism for purging government scientists, researchers, and regulators who dare to apply empirical evidence to public policy. MAGA and their fellow travelers don't want science interfering with their agenda, period. Remember Dick Cheney’s infamous comment about “creating their own reality”? He wasn’t posturing. For once in his life, he was telling the truth.
So here's the question for my reasonable conservative friends, who also claim to be principled Republicans:
If you keep voting for a party that systematically rejects science, and has been doing so for decade after decade, what exactly did you expect would happen?
When you strap yourself to a cult of grievance and gaslighting, don’t look shocked when the tracks end, the ground falls away, and the laws of physics finish the argument. You bought the ticket. Enjoy the ride.
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What left/right means in the rest of the world means fuck all when talking US politics....it's not worth bringing up....we don't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks....why do you give a fuck so much about our left/right dividing lines?
If they were facists....they do a REALLY BAD job at it.....by promoting more free firearm owners
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Yeah bad fascism is still fascism. Just like Jan 6th being a bad and failed insurrection doesn't make it not an insurrection, that's not how things work and you all know that. This is literally a Sideshow Bob argument. "Attempted murder! Now honestly what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry?!"
Also the current admin is literally using the government to shut down speech on campuses with the argument that if they receive Federal money then the Federal Government can control their speec
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This is America, you're allowed to voice support for terrorists. If you got proof someone is collaborator arrest them and charge them. All those other things you listed are crimes.
All you've done is try to justify it.
No evidence of criminal activity or collaboration or communication about Mahmoud Khalil was presented. When in court the govt stated they can deport for "beliefs". What else are beliefs but thoughts? Rubio has said as much.
Same for Rümeysa Öztürk who able to stop her deportati
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And look where not giving a fuck got you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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With my own eyes.
and thus we have have right-wing "science"
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Yes. If you observe something that contradicts a prediction made by a theory, the theory is wrong. That is Baconian Empiricism [wikipedia.org] at its purest.
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You are correct. I would say that on average the democrats have typically had science on their side more often than not, particularly when it came to stuff like cigarettes causing cancer, seat belts reduce fatalities, and so on. But both sides are guilty of using science when it suits them and ignoring it when it doesn't.
I remember an interview with David Suzuki when he was talking about what got him into activism. He's trained as a geneticist. One day a protester approached him and basically told him t
Re: NPR once told me that according to science (Score:3)
The problem with your position on sports is that transgender women are not cisgender men, so the science on one tells us little or nothing useful about the other.
Re: NPR once told me that according to science (Score:2, Insightful)
transgender women are not cisgender men
But they are, though.
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It is a choice alright, but to know if it is a smart choice you have to ask the right questions.
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some women have penises.
The first words out of your mouth... We get it, trans people make you feel funny in the pants.
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Republicans use Common Sense
You can call it whatever you want. In my lifetime there has been little sense coming from the Republican party. Their version of common sense seems to be some combination of "whatever is in the bible" and "whatever serves the rich".
Common Sense has an unbeatable track record with zero retractions
You sure about that one? During my parents' generation the "common sense" was that having segregated water fountains was correct. Hell, some people to this very day think it's "common sense" that marriage is limited to a biological male and a biological female.
Which one do you trust?
Science. Every time
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Preferable under the age of 18 apparently.
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https://www.newsweek.com/repub... [newsweek.com]
You just have to marry the children first before you fuck them.
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What is it with you guys and trans people? The only time trans people enter my thoughts are when I read the comments here.
Re:Ah yes, "science" (Score:5, Insightful)
You're the third person in this thread talking about trans people. Seriously go date one already if that's the first thing on your mind.
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Was that ironic projection or have you really been thinking about chicks with dicks for a decade?