Judge Rules White House Pressured Social Networks To 'Suppress Free Speech' (arstechnica.com) 246
A federal judge yesterday ordered the Biden administration to halt a wide range of communications with social media companies, siding with Missouri and Louisiana in a lawsuit (PDF) that alleges Biden and his administration violated the First Amendment by colluding with social networks "to suppress disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content." Ars Technica reports: The Biden administration argued that it communicated with tech companies to counter misinformation related to elections, COVID-19, and vaccines, and that it didn't exert illegal pressure on the companies. The communications to social media companies were not significant enough "to convert private conduct into government conduct," Department of Justice lawyers argued in the case. But Judge Terry Doughty, a Trump nominee at US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana, granted the plaintiffs' request (PDF) for a preliminary injunction imposing limits on the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice, the US Census Bureau, the State Department, the Homeland Security Department, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, and many specific officials at those agencies. The injunction also affects White House officials.
The agencies and officials are prohibited from communicating "with social-media companies for the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech posted on social-media platforms," Doughty ruled. The injunction prohibits "specifically flagging content or posts on social-media platforms and/or forwarding such to social-media companies urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner for removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech." Government agencies and officials are further barred from urging, encouraging, or pressuring social media companies "to change their guidelines for removing, deleting, suppressing, or reducing content containing protected free speech." The ruling also said the government may not coordinate with third-party groups, including the Election Integrity Partnership, the Virality Project, and the Stanford Internet Observatory, to pressure social media companies.
Doughty provided several exceptions that allow the government to communicate with social media companies about criminal activity and other speech that the First Amendment doesn't protect. The Biden administration may continue to inform social networks about posts involving criminal activity or criminal conspiracies, national security threats, extortion, criminal efforts to suppress voting, illegal campaign contributions, cyberattacks against election infrastructure, foreign attempts to influence elections, threats to public safety and security, and posts intending to mislead voters about voting requirements and procedures. The US can also exercise "permissible public government speech promoting government policies or views on matters of public concern," communicate with social networks "in an effort to detect, prevent, or mitigate malicious cyber activity," and "communicat[e] with social-media companies about deleting, removing, suppressing, or reducing posts on social-media platforms that are not protected free speech by the Free Speech Clause in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."
The agencies and officials are prohibited from communicating "with social-media companies for the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech posted on social-media platforms," Doughty ruled. The injunction prohibits "specifically flagging content or posts on social-media platforms and/or forwarding such to social-media companies urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner for removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech." Government agencies and officials are further barred from urging, encouraging, or pressuring social media companies "to change their guidelines for removing, deleting, suppressing, or reducing content containing protected free speech." The ruling also said the government may not coordinate with third-party groups, including the Election Integrity Partnership, the Virality Project, and the Stanford Internet Observatory, to pressure social media companies.
Doughty provided several exceptions that allow the government to communicate with social media companies about criminal activity and other speech that the First Amendment doesn't protect. The Biden administration may continue to inform social networks about posts involving criminal activity or criminal conspiracies, national security threats, extortion, criminal efforts to suppress voting, illegal campaign contributions, cyberattacks against election infrastructure, foreign attempts to influence elections, threats to public safety and security, and posts intending to mislead voters about voting requirements and procedures. The US can also exercise "permissible public government speech promoting government policies or views on matters of public concern," communicate with social networks "in an effort to detect, prevent, or mitigate malicious cyber activity," and "communicat[e] with social-media companies about deleting, removing, suppressing, or reducing posts on social-media platforms that are not protected free speech by the Free Speech Clause in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."
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Less misleading than your sorry ass. The actual injunction, an a priori restriction of speech which is largely frowned upon, was put in place because the plaintiffs had a large amount of evidence indicating that the government had in fact done what they said and that absent any significant evidence to the contrary they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claim. The injunction itself keeps the government and affiliated orgs from repeating the behavior in question, not merely talking to social media companies about their behavior.
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Try reading the complaint dumbass. They stated multiple points of evidence they had as the basis for their complaint, including various government emails that have been disclosed in the public sphere. An evidentiary hearing would be to determine the credibility and utility to the case of the evidence in question, not whether it exists in the first place.
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"They stated multiple points of evidence they had as the basis for their complaint" - again, FALSE. They made allegations, without providing any evidence.
"Conservative" content has not been "censored." Not one iota of proof of that bullshit claim was provided, which is why the dishonest judge tried to punt the ball down the road by refusing to schedule an evidentiary hearing.
Even more hilarious, the majority of the conduct that the wackos who filed the lawsuit made allegations about happened during the
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You obviously read none of the Twitter files releases on the subject, nor looked at any of the evidence provided.
The same way there's "no evidence" of Biden family corruption cuz you just gosh darn really don't want it to exist!
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"Twitter files" - ah yes, the fabricated bullshit from *checks notes* pedophilic south-african "afrikaner" apartheidist nazi Elon Child Abuser Musk... YAWWWN.
Come back when you have something remotely credible that hasn't been fake-edited and outright fabricated from a ridiculous bullshit factory.
Wow. This is quite painful for you, isn't it. Let me guess: you lost your job at Twitter censoring content, huh? That's a shame.
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Imagine claiming to be against disinformation and then posting this. lmao
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A random sample of that load of bullshit indicates that you have nothing. Granted, I knew that going in. The lack of descriptions gave it away.
Here's a quick summary: A private citizen informed a private company that some content on their site violates their terms and conditions.
You've been at this for years. You've obviously got nothing. This is beyond pathetic.
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LOL! There's a reason that all you're doing is spamming links instead of posting facts and supporting those facts with links.
That's because you've got nothing.
Re:Slashdupe (Score:5, Informative)
the government has infringed on our First Amendment rights
False. The judge states [courtlistener.com] (pg. 93),
"The Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the meritson their claim that the United States Government, through the White House and numerous federal agencies, pressured and encouraged social-media companies to suppress free speech. Defendants used meetings and communications with social-media companies to pressure those companies to take down, reduce, and suppress the free speech of American citizens.
You can make the observation that this a preliminary ruling the government has infringed on our First Amendment rights but not that it doesn't rule the government has infringed on our First Amendment rights - which it does.
only an injunction to prevent the government from talking to the social media companies about their behaviour until the trial.
Also false. From the decision [courtlistener.com], the government is prohibited from
"(1) meeting with social-media companies for the purpose of urging, encouraging,
pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content
containing protected free speech posted on social-media platforms;
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(2) specifically flagging content or posts on social-media platforms and/or forwarding
such to social-media companies urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner for
removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech;
(3) urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner social-media
companies to change their guidelines for removing, deleting, suppressing, or reducing content
containing protected free speech;
(4) emailing, calling, sending letters, texting, or engaging in any communication of any
kind with social-media companies urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner for
removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech;
(5) collaborating, coordinating, partnering, switchboarding, and/or jointly working
with the Election Integrity Partnership, the Virality Project, the Stanford Internet Observatory, or
any like project or group for the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any
manner removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content posted with social-media
companies containing protected free speech;
(6) threatening, pressuring, or coercing social-media companies in any manner to
remove, delete, suppress, or reduce posted content of postings containing protected free speech;
(7) taking any action such as urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any
manner social-media companies to remove, delete, suppress, or reduce posted content protected
by the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution;
(8) following up with social-media companies to determine whether the social-media
companies removed, deleted, suppressed, or reduced previous social-media postings containing
protected free speech;
(9) requesting content reports from social-media companies detailing actions taken to
remove, delete, suppress, or reduce content containing protected free speech; and
(10) notifying social-media companies to Be on The Lookout (“BOLO”) for postings
containing protected free speech."
Tl;dr: the evidence shows the government infringed on free speech and, to avoid further harm, they are ordered to stop doing so. There is more process to go through before issuing the final ruling, but the judge expects to find against the government.
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the evidence shows
Again, what evidence? Explain what the evidence is and post links from reputable sources that support your claim.
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My account was deleted due to some of this pressure. I am interested to know if I am entitled to some sort of relief for their actions
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Dupe, but still happy That the government can't tell* us what to read...
* Void in Florida, Texas, South Carolina, Missouri, and Utah.
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But if Johnny sees the word "gay" at such a young age, he may end up like Lindsey Graham.
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Wait, are those states doing something to restrict what you can read? Or are they just choosing to not provide free of charge some books that many people would consider pornographic to children?
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Facebook cannot if told (or threatened) by the government
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That the government can't tell us what to read or think
Well bad news for you, because that's not what the injunction is for. It's to halt any sharing of information about their (US/Social Media) behavior before trail. Shocking, misleading title is . . . Misleading!!
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No evidence because you haven't read it!
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Again, explain what you believe the evidence to be and post a link that supports your claims. Why is this so difficult for you?
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https://www.courtlistener.com/... [courtlistener.com]
Not that people like you can distinguish your own ignorance from truth... start by saying "I'm not aware of any evidence" instead of "There is not evidence" so you don't lie. At the very least, before you say "no evidence exists", you should look for the evidence. But I guess the value of reason and truth is lost on people who don't support the concept of free speech, which is a telling point of why it exists.
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The entire lawsu
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You sure? Cause the muzzle that Florida has put on schools seems to be a textbook case for speech-control to me. .
The government exercising direct control over the standards for what materials the government will produce, or will purchase from vendors/publishers, is the government doing appropriate government things and is subject to the will of the people at the ballot box. Their particular selections and standards may be disagreeable to you and me, but that's how democracy works.
The government using media platforms to publish its own materials, news, public advisories, and recommendations is the government doing appropriate government things and is subject to the will of the people at the ballot box. You and I may disagree with their advice and recommendations, but that's how democracy works.
However,
The government telling a group of people who legally own a legal business, to prohibit, shadowban, deplatform, cover with warnings, "fact-check", or otherwise deprecate the legal speech expressions of other people who've violated no criminal statutes, deserves to have a greater level of scrutiny to make sure the activity does not in any way creep toward intimidating or coercive.
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Says someone who obviously never read the Twitter Files, but merely read what other people said about them.
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The government can fact check what people say all it wants. And people can evaluate their claims. What it cannot do is restrain or directly encourage others to restrain the voices of people who have broken no laws.
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You just came out against fact-checking.
He put fact-checking in quotes for a reason. That being said, I would love for the media to have its science and technology reporting to be fact checked. Something tells me that's one of those, "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" type of situations for some including you.
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Incorrect way of thinking about it. You are entitled to say whatever you want about your employer that is your right. Your employer is entitled to let you go whenever they want (assuming at-will states) that is their right. Itâ(TM)s possible to cross your streams, but we all know you should never do that.
Interesting details of the injunction order (Score:5, Insightful)
The injunction order references interfering with "protected free speech." That's all well and good and something that all parties completely agree with. Where the parties disagree is what constitutes "protected free speech," but the order doesn't elaborate on that.
Furthermore, the order allows exceptions for "exercising permissible public government speech promoting government policies
or views on matters of public concern". To a lay person, everything that is purportedly being prohibited could be viewed as falling under "matters of public concern."
So, without further details and instructions, the order could be viewed as changing nothing.
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So, without further details and instructions, the order could be viewed as changing nothing.
But that doesn't make good headlines.
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IMHO all speech is protected, with VERY rare exceptions. Protected by the First Amendment and copious amounts of case law.
The fact that we have Government asking Social Media to look at the speech of its citizens is very problematic at best.
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No, it's not. The government is not trying to censor people. It is trying to stop misinformation. Espousing the wrong opinion--like the earth is flat--does not earn one the right to broadcast it. And if the government provides a media outlet with evidence that what it is publishing is part of a misinformation campaign, it is helping that company to avoid the fallout. The company ca
Re:Interesting details of the injunction order (Score:5, Funny)
This is literally the definition of censorship, you dumb fuck.
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Nixon was an amateur.
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Additionally, a public official’s threat to stifle protected speech is actionable under the First Amendment and can be enjoined, even if the threat turns out to be empty. Backpage.com, LLC v. Dart, 807 F. 3d at 230–31.
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Nobody in the Biden administration threatened. What you quote specifically refers to a threat to stifle speech. No accusation of a threat has been made against the Biden administration. None is mentioned in the court order. Really, what the hell are you talking about?
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I will happily accept what I wish for. If the government is allowed to suppress the press during the Vietnam and Iraq wars, then it certainly should be allowed to ask politely that broadcasters not broadcas
Fraudulent speech generally not protected. (Score:2)
Fraud is often excluded from free-speech protections.
That said, it can be challenging to ascertain what exactly is "fraud" on a legal level.
From "False Speech and the First Amendment: Constitutional Limits on Regulating Misinformation" (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12180 [congress.gov]):
It doesn't seem the parties are disagreeing (Score:5, Insightful)
The judge ruled that the gov't can't say "you should remove dangerous misinformation" because it's too easy for that to turn into coercion. That seems like a stretch, since if that were true the gov't saying "You should tell kids to drink milk for strong bones" would also be coercion.
And it sounds like legal experts agree:
This is another case of a dodgy political appointee ignoring decades if not centuries of legal precedent because reasons. And I'll say the same thing to conservatives on this forum I do ever time: this will bite you in the ass.
To get what you want (vaccine misinformation on Twitter in this case, but there's plenty more examples) you're tearing down some of the fundamental underpinnings of our legal system.
Take Roe v Wade. To get to that rather ludicrous ruling Alito had to quote a literal Witchfinder General from the 1600s. Historians and Mathematics experts will realize this is *before* the US Constitution was written much less ratified. Roe was not about abortion, it was about privacy, and if you're a libertarian conservative congrats, you just gave up all your constitutional privacy protections to outlaw abortion.
There's dozens of other rulings like this coming out of the Trump packed courts. The Student Loan Debt ruling undermines Medicare. The AA ruling was done without proper standing and opens the door to SCOTUS vetoing any law they please. On and on and on and on.
Conservatives wished for a SCOTUS majority on a monkey paw. Well, you got your wish...
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The judge ruled that the gov't can't say "you should remove dangerous misinformation" because it's too easy for that to turn into coercion. That seems like a stretch, since if that were true the gov't saying "You should tell kids to drink milk for strong bones" would also be coercion.
False, and difficult to believe you would characterize it that way if you had actually read the ruling. You claim any request to remove information is coercive according to the judge. In reality, he specifically raised and spent considerable amount of time on the question of what would make a request by the government coercive
"To determine whether Plaintiffs are substantially likely to succeed on the merits of their
First Amendment free speech claim, Plaintiffs must prove that the Federal Defendants either
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You didn't even read summaries of the ruling (Score:4, Insightful)
That breaks with a few hundred years of case law. It's a huge change and it's going to cost you your medicine when you need it most. Unless you're one of those slash dot millions I hear about. And I'm not taking a few bucks in a 401k.
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No, if you'd read the evidence (much less the Twitter Files), the 'advice' not only included 'suggestions' to ban people who were engaged only in protected speech, but included threat of regulatory and legal coercion by the White House.
This is what you get when billion dollar corporations control the main means of communication. They are easy to casual pressure by authoritarian politicians with too much power over their bottom line.
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In the US the only things unprotected are direct and imminent threats, continual harassment well above and beyond normal interactions in the forum in question, and slander/libel.
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These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting" words – those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.
And virtually nothing the speech the WH and the FBI banned fell into those categories.
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Lots of Disinformation during the Pandemic. "It was a wet market" being one of the choicest example. Knowing the exact source would have been extremely helpful medically. Knowing that the guy at the top of the medical response was tangentially (at best) involved in the funding of the source of the virus would have been ALSO extremely useful in evaluating the medical claims and advice being given by top government officials.
I doubt you actually mean THAT particular Disinformation, but its not really in dispu
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Sure, but that would be a civil action. What we are seeing instead is prior restraint by the government, which is blatantly unconstitutional.
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Well, let's see, the government spread misinformation about mask efficacy, the spread of the disease on hard surfaces, the efficacy of the vaccines at preventing transmission, the efficacy of the vaccine length when Pfizer et al were already saying boosters would be needed very regularly, the efficacy of natural immunity vs vaccination, and oh yeah, the two weeks that they sold the public on the shutdowns when they knew DAMN WELL that was a lie that they were going to use to push futher fear and shutdowns.
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"the government spread misinformation about...
"mask efficacy" - FALSE.
" the spread of the disease on hard surfaces" - FALSE.
"the efficacy of the vaccines at preventing transmission" - FALSE.
"the efficacy of the vaccine length when Pfizer et al were already saying boosters would be needed very regularly" - FALSE.
"the efficacy of natural immunity vs vaccination" - FALSE.
"and oh yeah, the two weeks that they sold the public on the shutdowns when they knew DAMN WELL that was a lie" - and again, FALS
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Really bitch? From Birx herself
“At this point, I wasn’t about to use the words lockdown or shutdown. If I had uttered either of those in early March, after being at the White House only one week, the political, nonmedical members of the task force would have dismissed me as too alarmist, too doom-and-gloom, too reliant on feelings and not facts. They would have campaigned to lock me down and shut me up.” ...
“Fifteen Days to Slow the Spread was a start, but I knew it would be just that. I didn’t have the numbers in front of me yet to make the case for extending it longer, but I had two weeks to get them. However hard it had been to get the fifteen-day shutdown approved, getting another one would be more difficult by many orders of magnitude. In the meantime, I waited for the blowback, for someone from the economic team to call me to the principal’s office or confront me at a task force meeting. None of this happened.”
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Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is protected speech, as the Supreme Court made very clear in Brandenburg v. Ohio [wikipedia.org], more than fifty years ago.
Almost everything the government has been seeking to censor is likewise protected speech.
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Cool, so if anything someone says may be pushed by some foreign 'propaganda,' it becomes legal for the government to suppress anyone saying it.
You must be a HUGE fan of the Sedition Act!
I'm just amazed at the flimsy authoritarian arguments made by the left these days to excuse the suppression of free speech, as if 'dangerous' speech were somehow brand new and couldn't possibly be dealt with using the same open approach that's served us so well for centuries now. CUZ TRUMP!!
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The Executive Branch's job is to get shit done during emergencies.
And we have seen many examples over the last couple of decades that they've been incapable of doing that job.
The only thing they're capable of now is partisan bickering and selling the nation's future to the highest bidder.
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So you would sacrifice liberty for a little short term security. Those scawy words!!
How were they pressured? (Score:5, Interesting)
Where's the evidence they were threatened with something if they didn't follow requests?
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Don't need evidence of a threat. The government has NO business in the speech control. That's how Free Speech is supposed work.
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Agreed. https://apnews.com/article/don... [apnews.com]
There's a big difference in the fact that DeSantis is making a bunch of blatantly unconstitutional attempts to control speech (the very explicit retaliation against Disney being the most obvious).
Otherwise, I agree it's problematic to have government representatives complaining to social networks about a specific posts. But it would be the same or even worse to have them complaining to media about coverage, which I'm pretty sure happens all the time.
And the very common GOP messaging "stop moderating conservative accounts or we'll do nasty legislative things to you", is also deeply troubling.
It's not trivial figuring out where to draw the line.
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There's a big difference in the fact that DeSantis is making a bunch of blatantly unconstitutional attempts to control speech (the very explicit retaliation against Disney being the most obvious).
Shh... Some people think it's okay when Republicans and "Conservatives" do it -- namely Republicans and "Conservatives".
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Perhaps if DeSantis had used the FBI to shut down protected speech, you'd be OK with it?
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Unless RCID was Disney, and not a separate and distinct legal entity as they continuously swore up and down on multiple government documents, and in which case Disney is automatically guilty of over one billion dollars in tax-free municipal bonds securities fraud, there was no retaliation against Disney whatsoever.
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DeSantis hasn't done anything at all to Disney. He has reorganized Reedy Creek Improvement District, but Disney has been telling us for decades that RCID is an entirely separate entity.
Because if it weren't an entirely separate entity, Disney would have been breaking all sorts of laws...
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DeSantis hasn't done anything at all to Disney. He has reorganized Reedy Creek Improvement District, but Disney has been telling us for decades that RCID is an entirely separate entity.
Because if it weren't an entirely separate entity, Disney would have been breaking all sorts of laws...
The special district was literally created to allow Disney to streamline and control development in the park (the original plan was for a futuristic city).
Who's selling you this line that it was supposed to be so independent from Disney that they wouldn't care if it was shut down??
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DeSantis hasn't done anything at all to Disney. He has reorganized Reedy Creek Improvement District, but Disney has been telling us for decades that RCID is an entirely separate entity.
Because if it weren't an entirely separate entity, Disney would have been breaking all sorts of laws...
The special district was literally created to allow Disney to streamline and control development in the park (the original plan was for a futuristic city).
Who's selling you this line that it was supposed to be so independent from Disney that they wouldn't care if it was shut down??
There is a Florida special district attorney who has covered Reedy Creek at length. The synopsis is that a special municipal district is established to benefit the public, not a single corporation, and any benefit to a corporation is incidental. It is an independent municipal entity with taxation powers and the ability to borrow tax free via municipal bonds. When Reedy Creek was established Disney had proposed to build a city that would be a home for ~10,000 people, with shops, offices, schools, churches,
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That's a lot of typing without a citation where I could try to figure out if this attorney is a nut or partisan hack.
But the argument seems weak enough on its own so I'll dive in.
There is a Florida special district attorney who has covered Reedy Creek at length. The synopsis is that a special municipal district is established to benefit the public, not a single corporation, and any benefit to a corporation is incidental.
First, Reedy Creek is the biggest, but there's other special districts run by companies [tampabay.com]. Is this attorney claiming they're all illegal?
It is an independent municipal entity with taxation powers and the ability to borrow tax free via municipal bonds. When Reedy Creek was established Disney had proposed to build a city that would be a home for ~10,000 people, with shops, offices, schools, churches, etc. This city was called "The Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow", or EPCOT for short. The city never happened, and instead they built the EPCOT theme park. So if Reedy Creek is not independent of Disney they have been operating in violation of Florida law and may have committed securities fraud.
Ok...
1) The city was Walt Disney's pet project and it died because he died. There's no fraud like you (the attorney?) is implying.
2) I still haven't seen any evidence that Reedy Creek was supposed t
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IT's almost like doing evil begets more, opposite evil.
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From the court filings:
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Where's the evidence they were threatened with something if they didn't follow requests?
Does this sound like the administration was just passively letting companies know they might want to take a look at something?
"Humphrey sent a copy of the email to Rob Flaherty (“Flaherty”), former Deputy
Assistant to the President and Director of Digital Strategy, on the email and asked if “we can keep
an eye out for tweets that fall in this same genre.” The email read, “Hey folks-Wanted to flag the
below tweet and am wondering if we can get moving on the process of having it rem
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many people have had their accounts suspended and people been banned under pressure from gov agency
... he says, with zero evidence to back up that false claim. [variety.com] Given the number of actual reports I've made of literal antisemitic individuals making threats of violence, promises of "riots" and death threats against individuals and both Facebook and Twitter declaring "not a violation of the community standards," I'm pretty sure he's just lying his ass off.
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If it was a public dispute? No.
If the Trump White House was calling and threatening the Times editorial board? Yes.
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And yet the current WH is to be trusted completely.
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Can we apply the same conspiratorial thinking to rulings made by Biden or Obama appointed judges? Any ruling they make is automatically invalid?
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The case law is not cut and dry on this (Score:3)
Private citizens can be held as government agents [llrmi.com] in many cases. That link is a good example of how nuanced it can be, as the woman ultimately was ruled to not be one, but the article shows how close she came to being reasonably declared acting as a government agent. A different set of judges could have just as easily declared her to be sufficiently aligned with the police on all 3 points to be one.
There is no blanket "they're private companies." The case law is actually quite clear on that point. Social media companies can, in theory, be held as government agents even if there is no coercion depending on how the government approaches them, how they respond and how much the company argue they had legitimate motivations of their own to cooperate.
I'm not surprised in this case about the coercion argument because it can be very credibly argued that the platforms were forced to interpret their own terms of service in ways that aligned very closely to official government positions. I would say they were coerced by the government effectively doing a "it would be a shame if we told everyone you're a bunch of Russian agents who want to give grandma a fatal case of COVID" during a time when a lot of people were riled up.
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Which of "the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Justice, the US Census Bureau, the State Department, the Homeland Security Department, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency" aren't involved in safety or security? Even the Census Bureau is involved by measuring it for other departments. Sure, some departments are notoriously
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