Election Misinformation Often Evaded YouTube's Efforts To Stop It. (nytimes.com) 203
YouTube videos endorsing the false idea that there was widespread election fraud were viewed more than 138 million times on the week of Nov. 3, according to a report from an independent research project that has been studying misinformation trends on the video site. From a report:The report by the project, called Transparency.tube, looked at videos on YouTube that supported claims of voter fraud during the November elections, as well as videos that disputed such claims. Over all, the researchers identified 4,865 videos, viewed a combined 409 million times, that mentioned voter fraud. The YouTube videos supporting claims of voter fraud accounted for 34 percent of all views in the data set studied, while those disputing the voter fraud claims or remaining neutral accounted for 66 percent of views among the videos the research project identified. YouTube does not release data about the total number of videos uploaded to the site weekly. The company has said that 500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute.
Many of the largest YouTube channels can rack up millions of views each day. For example, CNN, which has over 11 million subscribers to its YouTube channel, uploaded 51 videos during the week of Nov. 3. Those videos were viewed 69 million times, according to an analysis by The New York Times. Some of the most-watched videos disputing the results of the election include two videos by the right-wing news outlet BlazeTV, which were viewed 1.3 million times. Videos by the right-wing news outlets Newsmax and OANN that spread claims of widespread voter fraud were also viewed hundreds of thousands of times.
Many of the largest YouTube channels can rack up millions of views each day. For example, CNN, which has over 11 million subscribers to its YouTube channel, uploaded 51 videos during the week of Nov. 3. Those videos were viewed 69 million times, according to an analysis by The New York Times. Some of the most-watched videos disputing the results of the election include two videos by the right-wing news outlet BlazeTV, which were viewed 1.3 million times. Videos by the right-wing news outlets Newsmax and OANN that spread claims of widespread voter fraud were also viewed hundreds of thousands of times.
Suckers 101 (Score:2)
Too many people just plain lack critical thinking skills. They are easily persuaded by all the basic tricks of misinformation and common fallacies. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Then again, it's hard to say how much of it is lack of education and how much is wishful thinking: clinging to ideas that mirror what one wants to hear regardless of veracity for the purpose of comfort.
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On the one hand, I agree with you, there are too many people who lack critical thinking skills.
On the other hand, there are a whole lot of people who believe they have critical thinking skills, but who are actually just rejecting anything they read that doesn't suit their political bias, and calling that "critical thinking." Such people insist that the only reason anyone at all is on the other side of the political spectrum from themselves is due to a lack of critical thinking skills.
Same goes for any kind
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A true story I will relate to you, from this morning. This is my eyewitness account:
An 80-year-old man is fervently tapping on his computer keyboard. The keystrokes are so thunderous that you're not sure if it's because he learned to type on a mechanical typewriter, or due to some emotional distress. "Honey, I've been trying to sign up for Parler for 2 days, it keeps telling me I have the wrong password. I don't even have a password! It must be down from all the traffic."
Wife comes by from the kitchen, "I'm
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Obama was wildly popular. He could draw massive crowds, and massive numbers of voters to the polls. Biden is not popular. He can't draw a crowd or gin up enthusiasm. How then could Biden get more votes than Obama ever did?
Is it disinformation? (Score:2, Insightful)
At this point in the election process, as close as the tallies are, I want to be sure that whoever did win, won fair and square. I have no problem waiting for a verdict. However, I have read news stories claiming malfeasance so the claim here, by Transparency Tube via the New York Times, seems to be more of the same sort of propaganda we are being subjected to from all sides. Let's re-count with witnesses and when it's done, I will, like all Americans I know, accept the results.
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At this point in the election process, as close as the tallies are, I want to be sure that whoever did win, won fair and square. I have no problem waiting for a verdict. However, I have read news stories claiming malfeasance so the claim here, by Transparency Tube via the New York Times, seems to be more of the same sort of propaganda we are being subjected to from all sides. Let's re-count with witnesses and when it's done, I will, like all Americans I know, accept the results.
Holy shit, Vlad. Did you get your vodka for posting that tripe? You have not read any news stories claiming malfeasance (congrats on using a word most Americans don't know its meaning). Also, your definition of "propaganda" is what's known as a free press. They report the facts, not what the dictator-in-chief says [bbc.com].
Let's re-count with witnesses and when it's done, I will, like all Americans I know, accept the results.
You must be new to the job because no one, and I mean no one, uses the phrase, "like all A
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You can believe what you would like. I have read both sides of the issue. I think this has to play out for folks on both sides to understand that either there was no tampering or there was tampering. I never said anything about a plot nor do I believe there was, those are your words. In your zeal to crown a candidate you have resorted to hyperbole and attempts to shame someone else for offering their opinion.
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I don't think I've got a zeal to crown a mediocre candidate. However the Trump side is full of zeal if you would look, I see posts daily on Facebook with a "Hurrah, proof!" which never seems to go anywhere.
I am however frustrated becaues the election result is obvious, it's widely accepted by respectable sources, including the state officials from both parties, the old school news media (reuters, AP, BBC, etc), not just fringe or cable news. Whereas the theory about election fraud is being pushed by peopl
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I think we agree, for the most part. Trump is the way he is and he has 49.9% of the country supporting him based on the vote count so we can't discount that. My only sticking point is just how close the battleground states are in vote counts. Any local or state candidate would scream for a recount if the votes were as close. We have to let this play out, and if one candidate is asking states to re-count then yes, its' up to the state to comply or not.
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Yes, no one so far is blocking any recount requests. This happens with every election cycle. They typically change no more than a few hundred votes though, whereas the Biden lead in the close states is in the thousands. The bush v. gore was a near tie, but this time is shows Trump at 47.4%, Biden at 50.8%, and most of the rest going to the Libertarian candidate.
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I have read both sides of the issue.
No you haven't. All you're doing is posting crap. All the vote counting was done in the open, with witnesses from all political parties watching the entire time. At no point did any of these witnesses object to any of the counting. None. Not a single objection.
to understand that either there was no tampering or there was tampering.
Here ya go. Straight from the horse's mouth [nytimes.com].
Steve Simon, a Democrat who is Minnesota’s secretary of state, said: “I don’t know of a single case where someone argued that a vote counted when it shouldn’t have or didn’t count when it should. There was no fraud.”
“Kansas did not experience any widespread, systematic issues with voter fraud, intimidation, irregularities or voting problems,” a spokeswoman for Scott Schwab, the Republican secretary of state in Kansas, said in an email Tuesday. “We are very pleased with how the election has gone up to this point.”
Statewide officials in Texas did not respond to repeated inquiries. But a spokeswoman for the top elections official in Harris County, the largest county in Texas with a population greater than many states, said that there were only a few minor issues and that “we had a very seamless election.”
“Many of the claims against the commonwealth have already been dismissed, and repeating these false attacks is reckless,” said Jacklin Rhoads, a spokeswoman for Josh Shapiro, a Democrat who is Pennsylvania’s attorney general. “No active lawsuit even alleges, and no evidence presented so far has shown, widespread problems.”
There remained no evidence of any wrongdoing, fraud or irregularity [madison.com] in Wisconsin's presidential election on Thursday, as counties worked to wrap up the certification of their votes and their estimates of how much it would cost to recount them, the state's top elections official said
‘‘We have not seen any evidence of fraud or foul play in the actual administration of the election,’’ said Jake Rollow, a spokesman for Jocelyn Benson, the Democratic secretary of state in Michigan. “What we have seen is that it was smooth, transparent, secure and accurate.’’
Tell us again how Democrats were able to commit such massive fraud that Republican governors,
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Why should anyone believe counts performed by members of one party when the other was actively prevented from performing the required oversight? Would you believe Trump won if Republicans did all the counting and didn't let Democrats watch?
I have no reason to believe that counts performed without bi-partisan oversight are accurate. After all - is there any rea
Seems like Every other Post on Slashdot (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Seems like Every other Post on Slashdot (Score:2)
News for Authoritarians, Stuff That Doesnâ(TM)t Get Seen!
False rumors? (Score:2)
Whether or not there was widespread, unprecedented levels of fraud, the APPEARANCE of it is so overwhelming that the legitimacy of all our future elections is threatened. I recall a few years ago when the UN wanted to send observers to a presidential election. It wasn't because we were a shining example to the rest of the world, and this is far worse than Bush v. Gore was.
The solution is not to maintain that, "Of course nothing happened, every (right thinking) person knows that," and laugh off anyone who di
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There's a solution to that. When you have a President of the United States who constantly lies to the American people and behaves in a m
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Whether or not there was widespread, unprecedented levels of fraud, the APPEARANCE of it is so overwhelming that the legitimacy of all our future elections is threatened.
There was no widespread anything except the ongoing stupidity and outright lies of people like you and the con artist. If there is any issue of the legitimacy of any future elections it will be as a direct result of you and the con artist, and Republicans, spewing this crap. Congratulations. You got your wish.
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What incentive Youtube? (Score:2)
Youtube makes money when videos are viewed. Youtube thus prefers people watch lots of videos. Youtube thus cares to manage uploaded content only enough to avoid legal repercussions, advertiser repercussions, and public relations repercussions. The last of these is (usually) easily done with a veneer of handling destructive or malicious content.
If advertisers don't care when their ads are slapped on videos peddling lies then Youtube does not either. Same goes for any other platform where "engagement" is the
RAndom bs (Score:2)
What's funny is this'll all backfire (Score:2)
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This is not surprising . . . (Score:2)
To paraphrases Tolstoy, "Verifiable facts all look alike, but wild falsehoods are all false in their own way."
Now I see lots of Trump supporters claiming yuuuge fraud. No evidence because witnesses who were too dumb to report it at the time are too scared to swear under oath now. The people losing are not Trump's people.
Like many conspiracies, they are increasing the size of the conspiracy and the scope of excuses to explain the lack of evidence. Grosse Pointe Antifa is intimidating everyone into silence,
How and what is youtube censoring? (Score:2)
Youtube appears to be censoring with stealth, not by removing videos or informing the poster of any problem, but instead limiting viewing by just not showing videos alleging election fraud to some users.
Because the Gateway Pundit re-posted one of their videos alleging election fraud to another platform after links to it on Youtube often just stopped working, you can see for yourself [rumble.com] what kind of content Youtube chose to censor.
Oh, just stop YouTube (Score:2)
Let's be honest... when wacko leftists falsely claimed Russia stole the 2016 election for Trump and all the other nutcase lies that came from the left, YouTube and Google treated it as news. When the other side does it, they think ensorship. This is why YouTube and Google should be displaced from the leadership role they play in video media. They aren't willing to conduct a fair game. Either you let both sides have their pathetic ranting and ravings or you apply some kind of rule even handedly. I'd prefer t
It's official! Georgia for Biden! (Score:2)
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, has certified Georgia's votes [cnn.com] after a recount. In all, Biden received 12,284 more votes than the con artist, meaning all of Georgia's electoral votes will go toward Biden's landslide victory.
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Don't overdo it. Based on electoral college votes, Biden won by the same margin in 2020 as Trump did in 2016. Neither result was what I would call a "landslide". But there was a noticeable absence of legal objections from the Democrats in 2016.
Russia Russia Russia (Score:2, Funny)
2018: Election Meddling!
2019: Election Meddling!
2020: Our elections are safe and secure!
https://i.redd.it/pjxw0mm0y606... [i.redd.it]
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So what you're saying is that you've identified a case of continuous improvement which went well? Also nice fake news meme, but it was a republican appointed head of a republican government run cyberseucirty organisation that declared 2020 safe and secure.
Please leave your bullshit propaganda in the Fox News comments section where it belongs.
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Except no improvements were made to our election systems. Politicians were screaming our election systems were not safe during this election cycle. They claimed Russian interference early on.
Biden wins and Pelosi claims everything was safe.
You can fuck off now.
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LMOL wow the Atlantic Council trolls are out in force today.
Is that another fantasy of yours?
I take it you live in a state which legalised weed recent? Take it from someone who lives in Amsterdam, you gotta get into that stuff gently or it'll mess up your mind. Next you're be thinking Biden is hiding under you bed just waiting for you to fall asleep.
It's truly hilarious to watch America implode the way it is.
Misinformation according to whom? (Score:2)
There is evidence of widespread fraud, including eye-witness testimony (sworn, under pen
Trump lost the election by a wide margin (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a tsunami of blatant lies and propaganda from a sore loser "President - Reject" who is anxious to commit election fraud to overturn the election he lost.
Trump's attorneys are laughed out of every court room.
Do you think your propagandist buddies know more than the judges who have rejected these claims as completely groundless and lacking in evidence?
Trump lost, by alot. Get over it.
In 2000 the courts handed Bush a win (Score:2, Informative)
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Meanwhile he's got a Conservative majority on the Supreme Court,
Which will be convenient for all those who keep talking about state's rights cheering a Supreme Court overturning a state's right to count votes. Because, you know, it's not really about state's rights when you're trying to keep slaves or change the vote.
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You and the media simply declaring "lies" doesn't make it so.
Especially if these people are willing to swear under penalty of perjury.
It's gotta go to court.
This isn't a coup attempt.
This is an exercise of the safeguards built into the system to stop precisely the sort of misconduct going on.
Re: Trump lost the election by a wide margin (Score:2)
There is no president elect till the EC convenes. Any transitions that took place earlier than that date in the past were tradition based, no more.
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Re:Trump lost the election by a wide margin (Score:5, Insightful)
Biden won, and Trump lost. That means everything.
This bullshit about the election being inconclusive is nothing more than a shallow ruse to refuse to acknowledge the result of an election that you disagree with. Trump told his supporters to vote twice, and some probably tried to. But they were caught, the duplicate votes discarded, and the election proceeded.
That fact that the Trump campaign told its supporters to commit election fraud doesn't mean that Biden didn't defeat Trump, and win the US Presidency.
But again, explain to me why you think that Trump's frivolous lawsuits based on patently false claims are being thrown out of court one after another?
Is it possible that you have fallen for an blatant scam, perpetratated by the world's most obvious scam artists?
When the ridiculous propaganda you not only believe but repeat is brought into a court room it's seen by every single judge as not only lacking in evidence, but also being a completely transparent attempt to throw out legal votes.
Be less gullible.
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Here's a for instance.
Take a look at the results for Wayne County, MI [waynecounty.com] votes and there are some strange things in the Precinct by Precinct Reports. [waynecounty.com]
Scroll down to the Detroit numbers. The VERY odd thing that stand out there are almost ALL of these have 0 registered voters listed, but somehow there were 173,000 votes labeled as AVCB....does this not at
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There ARE some disturbing things out there in many of the states, and with the margins so close, I don't know why they aren't being seriously looked at.
is it really that hard to figure out why they aren't being looked at in a serious fashion?
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There are Detroit precinct numbers listed above those Detroit Absentee Voter Counting Board (AVCB) numbers. So, the AVCB numbers for registered voters should have probably been input as Not Applicable rather than 0, since AVCBs do not have numbers of registered voters. The numbers of
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Do YOU have certified vote results in your hands?
Unless you do, you should probably sit down and shut up.
The process isn't over.
So your protestations of winning or losing are about as useful as wiping your ass and calling the result "chocolate".
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I my opinion, this "stolen election" idea is just one means of creating doubt and dissent, to undermine the Biden presidency. It does not matter if Trump loses all the lawsuits alleging voting fraud. It is what Trump's supporters believe that matters, and from what I read in the UK, Donald Trump still has considerable support.
You could view Trump's disruptive actions as mere petulance after being thwarted, but I am inclined to think it plays well with the Republican's plan to hobble every action of a Democr
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Here is the case they are supporting but note, it's not Trump v Detroit.
https://www.greatlakesjc.org/c... [greatlakesjc.org]
filing a suit in GA tomorrow*.
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For more fun facts on GOP lawsuits that have no chance of overturning the election, see the 7-page inset in this [apnews.com] AP article.
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Possibly. Possibly not.
If certification is stopped in enough places, it may not give Trump a win, but Biden won't win either.
At which point, the decision goes to the House. At which point, Trump wins.
Re:Trump lost the election by a wide margin (Score:5, Insightful)
Considering antifa shot a Trump supporter on the streets of Portland and have been targeted for years I am not surprised why they would be afraid.
And there it is. ANTIFA!! The most deadly terror organization on the planet outside of those illegal "militias" in this country who have killed people, stormed capitol buildings, set fire to police stations [startribune.com], destroyed other property, and even attempted to kidnap a governor, burn the capitol building and shoot anyone inside [rawstory.com].
Just shut up. You're as delusional as Lying Dripping Rudy [the-sun.com]. There is zero evidence, anywhere, of any impropriety. None. Those Michigan asshats deliberately were against certifying results because of political purposes, not because of any irregularities. They were not threatened. They were vehemently criticized by the public for their political stance on what should be a non-political issue: people's votes.
Thanks to the orange faced buffoon, what was once the beacon of democracy in the world has become the showcase for dictators everywhere on how to prevent people from voting. And apparently you, and millions of others, are perfectly happy with that.
I never want to hear you, or anyone from the Republican party, the party I have been with since I was eligible to vote decades ago, say one word about freedom in this country when they are doing everything in their power, including telling election officials to throw out votes [cbsnews.com], to destroy whatever remnants remain of the most cherished system on the planet by denying the will of the people [msn.com].
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"I wave my hand, and magically left wing violence is no longer left wing violence if it happens on the street".
>Blowing up gay nightclubs and such is political violence.
So beating gays to death on the street in a riot is not right wing violence? Just drag the guy outside before the killing, and it's magically no longer political?
TDS is truly horrifying in its ability to destroy even the most rudimentary ability to think logically.
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It's so obvious to everyone but the poster. I don't even like Trump, but the insanity I've seen in the last 4 years has been breathtaking. I think history will see this era as one of mass psychosis and moral panics. So few people even make sense anymore, and anyone with a memory longer than a fruit fly's will notice the media acting strangely.
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So lynching of random blacks by the hundreds by mobs of angry white supremacists because of rape accusations in the past wasn't political, as it was always a "reaction to specific non-political event"? There was really no politics in it?
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What I have a hard time understanding, if you are confident Biden won without Fraud; Why is there so many threats of violence and why are so many trying to stop validating that win? What is there to fear with signature verification? What is there to fear with audits or recounts? Seriously, explain this to me. Gore took much longer for his case yet now it's different.
Thank you for this common sense approach to this. Honestly I think the fear here highlights the even larger issue at hand, which is reviewing exactly how America votes for it's leader. Every election we hear about even more batshit insane rules and laws at the State level, for a National election. Between yet another questionable election and COVID, one would think we would learn something about the Freedumbs afforded by States Rights that affect an entire Nation. Perhaps it's time to review that, but t
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Also, I listened to an interview of an "eyewitness" claiming fraud in Arizona. To make a long story short, she said that there were white vans in the parking lot, supposedly to deliver food, but not big enough to feed the 2/3rds o
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What MSM says isn't the issue, but judges have reviewed most of the lawsuits and found no evidence in a lot of them and flimsy evidence in most of the rest. Many were just dropped by the plaintiffs, often without any reason given. To repeat a link from above, see AP's summary [apnews.com]
Again, just curious...what exactly makes you assume judges are above corruption? Ever wonder why so much stupid shit is channeled through specific district courts that are now infamous for such shit-wrangling? I certainly don't. Judges are found to be biased all the damn time. Why the hell do you think Democrats are hell-bent on packing the Supreme Court? They're panicking about preconceived prejudice even without a single case being heard yet. Fucking sad no matter what party is doing that shit.
Also, I listened to an interview of an "eyewitness" claiming fraud in Arizona. To make a long story short, she said that there were white vans in the parking lot, supposedly to deliver food, but not big enough to feed the 2/3rds of the workers that hadn't eaten. She claimed those vans were likely delivering fraudulent ballots, even though she couldn't see them being unloaded from her vantage point. That's the kind of crap that is being touted as serious election fraud by Trump and his cohort just to throw shade on Biden's legitimacy.
While
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If the sworn affidavits
There are no sworn affidavits so anything you say after that can and will be ignored. Zero. Nada. Nilch.
what in the holy FUCK makes you think anyone in the MSM would even try and cover it?
What station is MSM? Are they a new company? As for your nonsensical question, real news organizations diligently report on any real instances of vote fraud, such as the Republican woman in Iowa who voted twice for the con artist [apnews.com] in 2016, the former head of the Colorado Republican party who fille [bbc.co.uk]
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"There are no sworn affidavits."
Okay, complete denial of reality.
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If the sworn affidavits
There are no sworn affidavits so anything you say after that can and will be ignored. Zero. Nada. Nilch.
And thank you for proving my fucking point. Even if there were, no one in the MSM would dare report on them and you already know why.
what in the holy FUCK makes you think anyone in the MSM would even try and cover it?
What station is MSM? Are they a new company?
At the risk of feeding an obvious troll, the MSM comprises the entirety of American news coverage with the exception of Fox News and perhaps one or two small others. They are owned and controlled by the liberal hivemind, include most of social media, and lean so hard left that Congress is now regularly calling executives on the carpet for Constitutional violations (in case y
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Wow... you're like a walking talking poe's law android huh?
Rather fitting given what Slashdot has devolved into.
When my previous comment can go from +5 Interesting to +1 Flamebait within 24 hours, it tends to speak volumes as to how easily weak minds get triggered. Sad that challenging discourse of any kind, has been cancelled by ignorance.
If Weak Men Create Hard Times, we're in for one hell of a neutered ride for a long damn while. Buckle up and bite your tongue.
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If there is fraud, prove it in court. So far, Trump has lost in EVERY jurisdiction his "legal team" has appeared in. The preponderance of the evidence so far shows that it's all bullshit.
Re:Trump lost the election by a wide margin (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone would need to present real evidence, not youtube videos of talking heads, that the fraud actually exists. If there is good evidence, take it to court. So far, Trump's lawyers are showing up in court WITHOUT evidence and having the cases summarily dismissed. If there is massive fraud then it has not been uncovered or exposed to the light of day yet.
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Trump's claims of voting fraud maybe (maybe) would have a bit more standing if he didn't also claim fraud when he won in 2016. Just because he didn't win the popular vote he assumed that there had to be election fraud involved. In 2020 he did lose (and yes he has lost the election) and he is still whining about election fraud.
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It is interesting that all this fraud is going on yet Trump is unable to win a single court case proving fraud and even his lawyers state in court that the court cases aren't about fraud.
I guess I just don't have access to the same reality distortion device as most (all?) of the Republican do.
Maybe Democrats don't need to shout to the world that they support a specific candidate and prefer to just make their decision known via voting locations.
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It is interesting that all this fraud is going on yet Trump is unable to win a single court case proving fraud and even his lawyers state in court that the court cases aren't about fraud.
What's even more interesting is all this fraud happened on his watch. Coincidence? I think not!
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Childish arguments over who lost or won mean nothing if massive voter fraud still exists. Apparently you don't care if massive fraud takes out your candidate next time, right?
Yes, it is very childish to keep claiming "vote fraud" when none exists and the con artist and his minions have neither provided evidence for such lies, or offered anything in any court case to claim otherwise. Including the most recent one from Pennsylvania [cnn.com] (emphasis mine):
Baldi, in his opinion on Thursday, made clear fraud was not an issue.
"It must be noted that the parties specifically stipulated in their comprehensive stipulation of facts that there exists no evidence of any fraud, misconduct, or any impropriety with respect to the challenged ballots," he said.
"There is nothing in the record and nothing alleged that would lead to the conclusion that any of the challenged ballots were submitted by someone not qualified or entitled to vote in this election," he wrote. "At no time did Petitioners present evidence or argument to the contrary."
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This is a
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"I swear I saw something really strange on election day..."
Me too: Trump's hair and Hannity's facial expression.
Please do link the evidence. It should go without saying. Bing it on!
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Literally they can't..
Everyone (even his own people) have said.. "No fraud".. but they hope they can push public opinion and vulnerable republicans to say "fuck it, I'll vote for Trump because otherwise, my chestnuts will be on an open fire".
And so far, considering that they are talking about essentially tossing out legal ballots and installing their own people to vote for Trump shows you just how much they believe in "democracy". (all for it, as long as it benefits them, and when it doesn't.... well, you c
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https://www.usnews.com/news/be... [usnews.com] Okay I showed some voter fraud. Can we at least accept that it happens now even if it's as yet unproven to have happened sufficiently swayed the presidential outcome?
So, your example of presidential election voter fraud is where two people are accused of attempting but failing to make false registrations for a mayoral election and where they denied it and haven''t (yet) been found guilty. And you wonder why people doubt you and laugh at your accusations?
So far I have followed a large enough number of fraud accusations and the closest I really came to find to "evidence", as in something solid that might be useful in court, is that the Republicans had huge lists of dead
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https://www.usnews.com/news/be... [usnews.com] Okay I showed some voter fraud. Can we at least accept that it happens now even if it's as yet unproven to have happened sufficiently swayed the presidential outcome?
Of course it happens. Duh. It happens every election. But the amount of fraud is always tiny, and there's absolutely no indication that this year is any different.
Election fraud should always be taken seriously. Proven cases should be prosecuted, and the mechanisms they used investigated to see if changes to the election procedures can mitigate them. But this is just business as usual.
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Re:Massive vote fraud may invalidate entire electi (Score:5, Informative)
Except... there's no actual evidence and basically no affidavits. There are claims "we're going to show evidence later", so cases are getting thrown out of court. There are stacks of paper waved around, claimed to be affidavits, but they aren't actually being shown or entered into court. Don't look at Twitter for "facts", look at the cases in court and what's being claimed and shown under oath.
And states have well-defined calendars for how election results are certified; they haven't reached their dates for that, so of course no states have certified their elections. That's like saying "THERE'S NO CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR" because we're still in November.
Election Fraud is a TRUE idea, not a false idea. (Score:2)
If election fraud never happened --- you wouldn't need a word/phrase for it.
Alleged election is happening. There are over 500 sworn affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of various types of voter fraud.
https://www.newsweek.com/rnc-c... [newsweek.com]
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OK, at the risk of posting this too many times, here [apnews.com] is a summary of what's happening in the courts with Trump and some of his hangers-on.
Re:Massive vote fraud may invalidate entire electi (Score:5, Informative)
There is voter fraud, just like every election, but it is not massive. There is NO evidence being presented to the judges. Maybe they think they can fight this battle on social media instead of the courts, because clearly they're not making headway in the courts due to lack of evidence.
The Dominion story is pure fiction. https://www.bbc.com/news/elect... [bbc.com]
Sure, you might say "the MSM is lying!" and you might be right in some sense, but turning to a fringe media that built itself up on fake news is not the solution. It's like claiming that because the scientists get things wrong sometimes that you're just going to go to an astrologer to figure out what is really true. Think for yourself, because Trump is not capable to do it for you.
Anyone believing this fraud nonsense would seem incapable of being a reasonable nerd for Slashdot, how can you be a nerd while rejecting science, math, and logical thinking?
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"as well as direct evidence of the most massive organized election fraud ever."
That is an utter lie.
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"tsunami of evidence coming the forefront"
Complete bullshit. There is a tsunami of allegations and emotional appeal coming but no real evidence.
Bring the evidence to a courtroom where it can be put under oath and cross-examined. Trump's team hasn't done that and they keep on giving clownish pressers that appeal to those who are lacking in critical thinking and have already sold their souls.
There is a process -- and a (very) hard deadline (Score:2)
There is absolutely no need for anyone to speculate about whether there is fraud -- at whatever level -- or get spun up over the issue. Elections are run under very strict rules and adjudicated by the courts. States are under a hard deadline to certify their slate of electors by no later than December 8th, in preparation for the actual vote of the Electoral College on December 15th. If a state does not tell the federal government that all disputes and recounts have been resolved by that date, then the House
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Trump = SCO (Score:2)
It's interesting that this massive evidence of organized election fraud just seems to magically evaporate every time someone gets in front of a judge.
You know what else looked exactly like this? It was Darl McBride and the whole massive evidence of widescale copying in Linux debacle. Remember him? Every time he was in front of a camera it was "OMG there is massive, enormous, literal copying". Every time he got in front of a judge it was "wait, whoa, not so fast, we need more discovery, dammit... there m
Re:Trump is still trying to steal the electoin. (Score:4, Informative)
You lost the fucking vote, loser.
Are you new around here?
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No he couldn't have. The Republican majority on the Supreme Court stopped the recount which more-or-less forced Florida to certify the vote late, but just in time for the Electoral College.
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Gore could have dragged that on for maybe years in court if he were stubborn enough, arguing over how hangy the hanging chads were.
The electors have to be chosen by December 14th, or the state loses their vote.
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"I'm starting to lean towards favoring corporate censorship. I hate it, and it's horrible."
Stated like a true socialist. Get your media from only approved and sanitized sources. Damn those who might opposed your viewpoint.
Did I get it right? Quell the beasts, the unwashed and those who would offer another opinion? Do you plan to rule from wherever you happen to live where covid is spiraling out of control and to impose your will on those who live somewhere the virus is not propagating at light speed? You ar
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Ah yes, the true socialist who advocates corporate control. Do you know what words mean? Because you did not get it right and don't know what the words you are using mean.
I don't live in the Dakotas or Texas, so I'm not in the worst of COVID. But, yes, if people did what I told them we could have COVID under control in this country in a few weeks. Things like "close bars", "close schools", "wear masks", etc.
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Ah yes, I see now. You use words differently than I do and it's clear that you know exactly what those words mean along with knowing exactly what to do to protect everyone. I am glad it's so easy for you to see whatever truth you see. However, I'm afraid that you don't get to make decisions for me, nor control what I do, read or think. I'll tell you what you can do to save yourself, stay home and if you have to go out wear your mask and be happy that you have subjugated yourself voluntarily. I'm happy if yo
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I agree with your description of fascism. Your inability to see it apply to Trump makes me lean towards dismissing you as a Troll. But I'll give you a basic response.
Teargassing protestors so he could walk to a church, having anonymous federal officers snatch people in vans, leading chants of "Lock [her/him] up" about political opponents at his rallies, encouraging armed supporters to show up at polls and declining to tell white supremacist milit
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Nope. It was after several days of peaceful protests. There may have been some crime, but it wasn't widespread (and the protesters tended to turn the criminals over to the police.) There's small amount of crime on the streets of a major city most days.
When was the last time you saw right wing militi
Re: A dangerous path. (Score:2)
The most egregious car ramming during the BLM protests was committed by a lefty and occurred because the protesters were complete fuckwits who decided that protesting on a highway at night was even remotely a smart idea. The 17 year old kid was defending himself after being shot at and being chased by an arson happy mob.
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Fascism (/fæzm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)
Being a troll, of course you wouldn't see how that applies to the con artist. But I'll play along anyway.
far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power
The con artist has demanded fealty [cbsnews.com] from those around him, even going so far
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Sure, just throw out generalities not in evidence, Mr Coward.
Trump's own lawyer Giuliani used the word "widespread" in his opening statements in one of the Philadelphia court cases: “The best description of this situation is it's a widespread, nationwide voter fraud.”
Of course, the complaint itself doesn't allege fraud, but you have a lot of leeway in opening statements, I guess..
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I believe phones are more secure than the 'Dominion' voting machines.
If Dominion doesn't have a security team, then you are right.
Re: You know the game! (Score:2)
Because the left whined after losing multiple recounts in Florida in 2000.