Wisconsin Republican Party Says Hackers Stole $2.3 Million (apnews.com) 162
Hackers stole $2.3 million from the Wisconsin Republican Party's account that was being used to help reelect President Donald Trump in the key battleground state, the party's chairman told The Associated Press on Thursday. From a report: The party noticed the suspicious activity on Oct. 22 and contacted the FBI on Friday, said Republican Party Chairman Andrew Hitt. Hitt said the FBI is investigating. The attack was discovered less than two weeks before Election Day as both Trump and Democratic rival Joe Biden made their final push to win Wisconsin and its 10 electoral votes. Trump won the state by fewer than 23,000 votes in 2016 and planned his third visit in seven days on Friday. Biden also planned to campaign in Wisconsin on Friday. Polls have consistently shown a tight race in the state, usually with Biden ahead by single digits and within the margin of error.
totally unacceptable (Score:4, Insightful)
That money was earmarked to be stolen by the Trump campaign already.
Hilariously it was probably with the GOP's party (Score:3, Interesting)
I kept reading stories about how Trump's campaign was broke and pulling ads in battleground states. That didn't make sense, big money donors always hedge their bets and give to both candidates.
Turns out they're just using Super PACs to campaign for Trump because they didn't trust him with the money. So pro-Trump Super PACs are running all the ads and thanks to Citizens United and Dark Money they can coordinate with the campaign even though that's supposed
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The term Useful Idiot keeps coming to mind
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That is the exact phrase I used when my dad asked me why Republicans don't see what a dementia-laden corrupt criminal the con artist is. I said he's a useful idiot because they can use him to get what they want (i.e. bigger, more intrusive government, restrictions on women, etc).
Anyone who is unwilling to see, or simply ignores, what a failure the orange buffoon is clearly has mental issues of their own.
Re:Hilariously it was probably with the GOP's part (Score:4, Interesting)
https://youtu.be/WRd-IHyCV7I [youtu.be]
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This^^so^^very^^much^^this!!!
There's a video floating around (Score:3, Informative)
Her mom & dad start to freak out and ask "Why the hell would you date somebody like that" and she says "IDK, why'd you vote for somebody like that".
Not sure how real it is, but the two parents rolled their eyes and looked pretty annoyed so I'
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This story can be completely believable when you read about the Wives of the Deplorables [cnn.com] who had no clue their husbands were misogynist, racist idiots.
One of the main reasons folks drop out of voting (Score:3)
A lot of people focus on non-voters who don't think their vote counts, but there are a *lot* of non-voters who know their vote counts, but keeping track of how and why to vote and for who is _stressful_.
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In any electoral system based on winning constituencies, some votes are going to matter a lot more than others.
I live in a district which has voted the same way for five elections in a row, usually by large margins. Candidates hardly even bother campaigning here.
Re: One of the main reasons folks drop out of voti (Score:2)
I know the vote that impacts my life the most is the democratic primary for mayor, it's also an election where votes really matter (our current mayor got in by only a 1200 or so votes).
Oligarchic Coulrocracy (Score:5, Insightful)
So they trust Trump to run the country but not with their money.
I don't think that's quite right. I think they are using the same approach you outline with the election. They don't trust Trump to run the US they just believe that they can manage Trump to get people they approve of into the positions where they run the US. Trump is fantastic at that job. He seems to be able to simply ignore ony catastrophic decisions they make that would sink any reasonable politician from any political party. He also makes lots of noise so everyone is distracted either admiring or throwing rotten fruit at the dancing clown while they can get on with governing out of the spotlight.
They have created a new type of government, an oligarchic coulrocracy, and they would very much like to keep it.
Re: Oligarchic Coulrocracy (Score:3)
I am glad someone finally understands misdirection. People get so focused on what he tweets and meanwhile all this other shit goes on in the background. It used to be deluberate, but since his alleged stroke it seems more gibberish than anything.
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Turns out they're just using Super PACs to campaign for Trump because they didn't trust him with the money.
Cite?
That's totally believable, but I'd like to see some solid sourcing.
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The bill from Russia for the use of their hackers for Trumps 2016 campaign came due,
That bill came due on Inauguration Day, However I’m not sure what they were hoping for. Trump hasn’t paid a single bill in his own entire life. I’m pretty sure the Russians expected quite a lot more than a measly couple of millions, like recognition of the annexation of the Crimea and East Ukraine and a carte blanche on land grabs in the Caucasus and the Baltic.
Re: Hilariously it was probably with the GOP's par (Score:3)
I'm pretty sure what they were expecting was for trump to do more damage to the USA than they ever could without a nuke war.
And they got good value for money...
Nothing so ostentatious (Score:3)
That said they did get a few direct gains from Trump's malfeasance or incompetence (I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to decide which). The one I remember is when Trump pulled us out of an arms treaty that would allow Russia to overtly build long range missiles of a type particularly well suited for attacking European nations. It was generally understood Russia wa
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So we should have stayed in a treaty that the other side was flouting, thereby limiting ourselves?
And it was Trump who pulled NG sales to Germany away from Russia.
It was Trump that increased the sanctions on Russian oligarchs.
It was Trump that got Europe to start spending their own damn money to protect themselves.
And he did it all without starting one single new war.
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Uh, Trump lifted sanctions against Russian oligarchs in 2019.
"The Trump administration has lifted sanctions on three companies, including the aluminum giant Rusal, linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska. Democrats had led a push in Congress to continue the restrictions...Earlier this month, Senate Republicans blocked an effort to keep the sanctions on Rusal, En+ Group and JSC EuroSibEnergo."
And you know why?... "Deripaska had ties with Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager."
Source: https:/ [theguardian.com]
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"Oh, you mean like in 2016 when Hillary used all the money for her own campaign and screwed every other Democrat on the ballot?"
You're profoundly stupid. You're seriously equating Hillary using money donated to her campaign to campaign, to Trump and his family taking campaign donations for their own personal non-campaign use?
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Re: totally unacceptable (Score:2)
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The donors don't care about competence or democracy or integrity. They just want policies that favor them put in.
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Good point, but I distinguish between small and sincere donors and the professional shoppers who buy politicians. The lobbyists would insist on signed contracts if there wasn't a risk of whistle blowers finding out. The amount of this scam is so relatively small that I think it's probably small donors AKA actual voters who put up the money.
Millions of gov. & GOP $s have flowed to Trump (Score:4, Insightful)
Again: Amazing! There is more negative news about Trump in more categories than any other person in the history of the world. Trump supporters don't answer the negative issues. I wish they would.
Re:Millions of gov. & GOP $s have flowed to Tr (Score:4, Insightful)
One can't get more hypocritical than Trump here without being a televangelist caught running a brothel.
"Because I’m going to be working for you, I’m not going to have time to go play golf. Believe me." And yet, he's played golf while in office more often than any other president, more than Obama who Trump criticized for playing golf. Hypocrisy.
Also, he says he is not working on his business, he has given control to his two oldest sons. The same sons who are actively working within the White House administration and active on his campaign. Sounds like a clear conflict of interest and his promise not to profit off of the presidency has been another lie.
Never mind that he gave up his salary, and so many here on Slashdot point to that as proof he's sacrificing his wealth to help America - he's raking in millions from his businesses, with money coming both from taxpayers and his campaign funds. He could hold some of these events at a Marriot or somewhere else and be neutral about it, but he wants to show off Mar-a-Lago and market it and profit off of it. He could have given his staffers a small per-diem, have them pay for drinks out of they own pockets instead of having taxpayers and donors foot the bills. Anyone who says Trump is losing money or making a sacrifice has fallen victim to his con.
The Trump presidency is essentially a Trump business opportunity.
Be careful what you wish for... (Score:3)
And yet, he's played golf while in office more often than any other president, more than Obama who Trump criticized for playing golf. Hypocrisy.
Yes, but every hour out on the golf course is one less hour making crazy policy decisions. Of all the incredibly long list of things, you can criticize Trump for I'd take this one as a net win for humanity and give him a pass on it.
Re: Be careful what you wish for... (Score:2)
He can make crazy policy decisions while on the golf course. It is after all a common place to make business deals.
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Not sure what you mean by 'Took on China'. We are flat out losing that fight. Farmers were getting clobbered by it till we redirected tax dollars to bail them out.
China just came out of it's periodic huddle and they see a world where the US is about to get gob smacked by COVID while they remain fairly ok. They see a world where US clout has really waned, not just in places like Africa but historic US strongholds like Europe and South America.
China is in a much better position vs the US and world influenc
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The best "pro trump" argument is "he's a lot more stupid than the democrats, so the US can thrive despite having an idiot causing some damage than some smartass causing a lot of damage".
Re: Millions of gov. & GOP $s have flowed to T (Score:2)
But that argument is garbage because he isn't alone.
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Indeed.
Unfortunately, it will be a hell of a ride, given the state of politics, possibly due some banks not wanting to be responsible for the massive fuck ups they did and using their money and influence to amplify the idiots on both sides of the isle.
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People pay too much attention to net worth and not enough to cash flow. You might have zero net worth but with a health cash flow you can live like a king. You can be worth billions, but if your cash flow dries up and your wealth is tied up in things you can't turn into ready cash, you're in trouble.
Donald Trump is, as far as anyone knows, a very rich man. But the rich man's personal freedom, his glamour and influence over people ... that all comes from having ready cash. Trump's big cash cow is real
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That's not how finances work for the super-rich. Their finances are complex, and deliberately hidden. For a start, they are usually saddled with massive debt - but it's massive debt at near-zero interest rates, because it is secured on assets they own. This is a matter of tax-efficiency in a global economy: It lets them keep their real wealth in the form of those assets stored in conveniently un-taxed form.
Why sell your mansion and pay capital gains tax, when you can instead take out a very-low-interest lon
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I spent over a decade working at a non-profit which was stuffed full of trust fund kids; I know how this works.
Rich people generally don't have money bags stashed away in vaults, they put it to work. When they need cash they borrow it, which is easy because they have gobs of collateral and income. I had a young guy working for -- 25 years old -- who bought racing yacht on credit because his investments were earning more than the loan interest.
If you're rich, your credit is shit, and your cash cows are dry
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What should we do? Vote for Biden and avoid the middleman?
And all that "negative news" is mostly made up nonsense like claiming he suggested people should inject bleach, or that he supported white supremecists. You were answered and told how foolish you looked for repeating the debunked lies, but you just keep going at it.
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How do you interpret those words? The "by injection inside" part REALLY sounds like he is suggesting injecting disinfectant
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I see the problem now. You are using "the words he said". His supporters use "the words we are sure he said" instead; it cuts down on all of the confusion and uncertainty. This is the same logic used when people "know" that Hillary/Obama/Clinton/Biden is going to take away all the guns guns since they "know" that Hillary/Obama/Clinton/Biden said that.
Trump's flawed character creates negative press (Score:3)
The lying, the porn stars, the rape cases, using the courts to abuse justice,
I have said nothing about his policies because that can be personal opinion.
But his flawed character has created many very bad policies.
As for the article, "There are still white hat hackers that steals from the evil"
Idiots Get Phished, News at 11 (Score:4, Interesting)
I used to sympathize with phishing victims. But we're at the point where it's really inexcusable in a professional context.
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Ummm, this was not a professional context.
How the hell? (Score:5, Informative)
Oh
the hackers manipulated invoices from four vendors who were being paid for direct mail for Trump’s reelection efforts as well as for pro-Trump material such as hats to be handed out to supporters. Invoices and other documents were altered so when the party paid them for the services rendered, the money went to the hackers instead of the vendors
So it looks like someone generated a fake invoice and possibly a different bank routing number and someone paid it.
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Re:How the hell? (Score:4, Informative)
And no one is better at the bankruptcy shell game than Trump.
That's not usually how it works (Score:3)
That said, it's not uncommon in politics for parties and candidates to never pay vendors. So if the GOP already got the service there's a good chance they're in the clear and the vendor will get screwed. They could sue the party, but, well, the party has a lot of political power they can and will leverage to make the vendor go away.
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You do realize Trump is the master businessman at this, right? Trump's
Re:How the hell? (Score:4, Insightful)
You'd be surprised at how successful this technique is with businesses in general, especially in mid-sized businesses. They're small enough that they don't have the controls in place to catch this, but large enough to think that abstracting away bill oversight from those doing the work is a good idea.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
$30-$50M by one guy is really quite a haul! I mean, that is a LOT of money to go unnoticed out the backdoor.
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They never accounted for the $100 million raised for the inaugural celebration in 2016. Among many other questions.
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Look, I'm no Trump fan but he has literally ZERO reason to steal funds from the war chest or his campaign. He's been able to pour more money into his properties during his presidency than they've probably made in decades through hosting large gatherings on the government dime and meetings with other world leaders. I get how bad most of what he does looks, but there's plenty of real shit to be upset about when it comes to Trump. There's no reason at all to make shit up about him and his family. They're l
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I can be upset with two things at once.
He knows that gravy train is ending. He knows he won't be president much longer. He has huge outstanding debts. Almost certainly with the sort of people who take toes as collateral.
And besides that, thievery is in his blood. It's all he knows.
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What you're doing at the moment is nothing more than wild speculation. I would say focus on the actual bullshit he's done, of which there is plenty, and direct your ire those directions. Wait for a real conclusion to be found on this subject before wasting energy on it. This constant need for hyperbolic speculative fiction on both sides is part of why the country feels like it's sitting right on the brink right now. We need more facts rather than more anger at things we're not even sure are true.
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Nah man. I don't think I will follow your advice here. If you think "facts" are going to change the mind of one single Trump cultist, I have a bridge to sell you. Fascists love people who argue "facts." That just means they are admitting to the fascist that facts are important to them. To the fascist, there are no facts. There is only power. You can't reason with them. But you can humiliate them. You can laugh at them. That's the only thing, besides a bullet to the head, that works with fascists.
I argue thi
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I guess I have some level of hope that the general public can come back to reality a bit and start acting like adults again. I suppose that was a naive hope to have.
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Oh, don't "both sides" me bud. One side is calling for open insurrection, and throwing out elections to install their idiot King, while the other side is saying "Maybe some health care, please?" and you complain that both sides are acting like children?
Fuck that noise. That false equivalence promulgated by self-styled "moderate centrists" is part of the reason we're in the predicament we're in.
You are not helping. You are part of the problem.
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Oh go fuck yourself. Seriously, I know damn good and well Trump and his followers are insurrectionists at heart and it sickens me. But watching the left froth at the mouth and make shit up about a man that has plenty fucking wrong with him to actually complain about makes everybody look like a fucking idiot. Can we please, for the love of fucking god, try to base our arguments on rational and real cogent points rather than hyperbolic nonsense? That's what I'm asking. Stepping into the muck with the Tru
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But slinging accusations gets the fascists' knickers in a twist. They go chasing after a red herring, and exhaust themselves.
Am I reading this right? I wonder, because you appear to be saying your OP was "slinging" false allegations. IMO, this makes you just as reprehensible as the Trump jerks who constantly do the same.
What the fuck kind of civil discourse do you expect to find here?
We should be working towards civil discourse, not away from it. Unless I've misunderstood you, you're just making civil discourse in this country worse.
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You know, fascists love it when people call for "civil discourse." They know it means their opponents will try bringing a pen to a gun fight. We're WAY past the point of civil discourse. They have never, and will never argue in good faith, and they love it when their foes claim that they value "civil discourse." Because they just exposed their own weakness to the fascists, who will turn around and use it against them.
Fucking sea lions man. Fuck 'em. http://wondermark.com/1k62/ [wondermark.com]
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You're coming across a bit insane. It's like you think making yourself just as shit as them is somehow a sign of strength they'll respect. They aren't going to respect you no matter what you do or say. All you're doing is making it harder for people that would be on your side to respect you. Good job losing potential allies.
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You're free to your opinions on the value (or lack thereof) of civil discourse, just don't expect me to agree with them. IMO, you're never going to change anyone's mind without fact-based, reasoned arguments.
Speaking of facts, you didn't address the main issue I raised. Shall I assume your claims of Trump's family stealing billions from his campaign are just false accusations designed to send "fascists" chasing after red herrings?
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He can't help himself. He's a grifter down to his marrow and can't help grifting, as in he's psychologically incapable of stopping it.
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Every elected senator gets an amazing amount of money beyond the salary, especially once they leave office and can be lobbyists or have book deals, speaking tours, etc. This is not just Biden as a stand out case, it is EVERY senator including Republicans. Trump is pointing at Biden to mask his own siphoning of money from taxpayers and campaign donors into his businesses.
Trump has *already* said "I may have to leave the country." Yes it is highly far fetched that he would flee to Russia, and more likely t
Re:How the hell? (Score:4, Interesting)
They're not on a senator's salary. It's odd though: Republicans claim everyone can become a millionaire in the US, so it's all the fault of the poors for being poor, but then when someone does become one but happens to be the son of a Democratic politician, oh suddenly it's just not possible, the American dream doesn't work that way, only Kochs get to be millionaires, everyone else is just a cheat.
WHICH IS IT? WHICH IS IT?
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The American dream doesn't work that way, only Kochs get to be millionaires, everyone else is just a cheat.
Look, you gotta understand the game. If you are a rich person, you have more money than poor people. If there were not any poor people, how would you know you are rich? Now I have to say here that the extreme socialist dream -- that there are no rich people taking all our money -- does not appear to work in practice. What you end up with is everybody being equally poor.
...Republicans claim everyone can become a millionaire in the US ...
If everybody actually were a millionaire, then it would be worthless being a millionaire. Put it this way, even quite poor people in the US
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Aww, did that hurt your poor snowflake fee-fees? Yeah. Yeah it did. Gonna cry about it?
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"Trump gave up his wealth to save our country.
Biden gave up our country to obtain his wealth."
That is some fascinating rhetoric there. The NYT investigation into Trump's taxes showed that he personally owed hundreds of millions of dollars before running for office. We've also seen the money pouring in to his investments as he jets around the world on the taxpayer's dime.
And for that matter where did Biden pull in great personal wealth? Burisma may have benefited his son but there is no evidence it went to Joe's financial coffers. If he's so wealthy then why is he traveling by Amtrak?
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The dude is in real-estate. I'm personally in the hole for about $200K on a $100k/yr salary. It's called a "mortgage". It happens a lot in real estate. Sheesh.
You have two problems (Score:2)
1. You seem to like documents stolen in violation of federal law (it's a felony to take somebody else's tax forms and another one to release them), but probably only in one direction. I'm betting you cover your eyes and ears when the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop are discussed even though they were obtained totally legally.
2. You seem to not understand either financing or business. I assume you are a renter who has never bought a home (this works in your favor because it means I'm assuming you're ignora
Re:How the hell? (Score:4, Informative)
You forgot the part where Trump has lost billions, is billions in debt, and has been laundering money for Russian mafia since the 90s.
https://newrepublic.com/articl... [newrepublic.com]
Also the part where he fucking ignores the emoluments clause, and pads his pockets by forcing people (like the secret service) to stay at his crappy, overpriced resorts.
https://www.acslaw.org/expertf... [acslaw.org]
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Hey, don't forget the military having to drive hours to stay at his overpriced resort! Or jacking up the price at the old post office hotel in DC by an order of magnitude when he's throwing an event and foreign dignitaries want access. Or doubling the membership fees at his clubs because there's so much demand from people who want to pay to have access to the president in unofficial, off-the-record settings.
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President Donald Trump returned to Mar-a-Lago on Friday evening for the 29th golf-related trip of his presidency to his for-profit Palm Beach, Florida, resort, raising his total taxpayer golf tab to $133.8 million.
That figure translates to 334 years of the presidential salary that Trump and his supporters frequently boast he is not taking.
That was by February of this year, I don't know what has been spent since then and this doesn't include any other events at any other Trump properties.
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They literally bragged about their billion dollar "death star" you twat.
https://apnews.com/article/ele... [apnews.com]
Fuck, you Trumpers are the most ignorant brainwashed cultists I've ever seen.
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Lol, that's all you got? A sad little deflection, and a grade school attempt to weasel out of further conflict?
Yeah, I got you. Got you good. You're mad, and it's obvious. Doing my happy dance now. Happy... happy, made the idiot angry. I won, the idiot lost, and he doesn't even know how to sling good insults.
Now feel the true power of my mental attack! By the power of Dumbskull, I command you to attempt further sad come backs. Do it, worm. Post more comments for me to laugh at. You have to. You can't help y
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Seriously? You don't see the propaganda value of having an ex-president living in Russia? It will help Putin in his plan to get the US to tear itself to pieces. Just imagine, Trump sitting over there in Russia, egging his moronic followers into starting a new civil war. It could happen. And then, Russia could invade to "restore" the "rightful" president to his throne. And the Trumpists would cheer the Russian troops on.
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Seriously? You don't see the propaganda value of having an ex-president living in Russia? It will help Putin in his plan to get the US to tear itself to pieces. Just imagine, Trump sitting over there in Russia, egging his moronic followers into starting a new civil war. It could happen. And then, Russia could invade to "restore" the "rightful" president to his throne. And the Trumpists would cheer the Russian troops on.
+1 Funny
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No, you sound fairly delusional to me. Russia is interested in reforming their previous regional empire. The US could stand in their way. Their cyber attacks are not doing shit, as their hackers are not nearly as skilled as our own. Drunk Russians pounding on keyboards do not frighten me.
HIs followers are already perfectly fine with Russia. It's their dream of what America could be: a tyrannical religious ethnostate. They'd be fine with Russia "helping" put Trump back in what is, to their eyes, his rightful
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Trump will be going to Saudi Arabia, trust me, I am a random guy on the internet.
Nelson Muntz voice (Score:2, Flamebait)
Are we really sure it was stolen? (Score:3)
Couldn't they have just made a contribution to the Democratic party by mistake?
Asking for a friend.
Inside job (Score:5, Interesting)
If you have a bunch of campaign contributions that are heavily regulated, what better way to get access to it than to hire someone to "steal" it for you? Simply run some plausibly incompetent security practices, and point your hired hacker at it for a split. I'm not accusing anyone in particular in the GOP, I have no idea who did this. But I'd bet some dirty politician is involved.
Hey, it's the Trump campaign (Score:3, Informative)
Just tell whomever you wanna buy stuff from that you're good for it, then don't pay
Let the feds do their job ffs... (Score:5, Insightful)
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wild speculation
I will just err on the side of caution and assume all wild speculation about Trump is not only true, but actually even worse than we could ever have imagined.
Setec Astronomy (Score:5, Funny)
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Nice, I don't have karma right now.
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too many secrets
Should have frozen their funds not friends... (Score:2)
That's half of their shuttle bus budget! What will they do now!
Thieves or Scam Artists, not Hackers (Score:2)
Politics aside, this is just stealing - it's wrong no matter who the target was.
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The thieves intercepted some real invoices and altered the payee details. That allows them to bypass most of the checks that the victim should be doing (e.g., "is this an invoice for something we've actually ordered?") That should require some skill and determination, but I expect at least one person in this story has an email password of "maga2020!", so... yeah.
FBI? (Score:2)
With what's been shown out of that bunch recently, who's to say they didn't turn it over to the guy that did it?
Cyber (Score:3, Insightful)
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This was the Wisconsin Republican Party, not Trump. It's right there in the headline and the first line of the summary, in case you were looking for how to figure that out...
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Let's face it, would they have used it even if they had it? Of course not, no way they would take advice from Obama. Not on cyber security, not on pandemics, not on anything.
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