Trump Muses About Light as Remedy, but Also Disinfectant, Which Is Dangerous (nytimes.com) 670
President Trump has long pinned his hopes on the powers of sunlight to defeat the Covid-19 virus. He returned to that theme at the White House coronavirus briefing on Thursday, bringing in a science administrator to back up his assertions and eagerly theorizing about treatments involving the use of household disinfectant that would be dangerous if put inside the body, as well as the power of sunlight and ultraviolet light. From a report: After the administrator, William N. Bryan, the head of science at the Department of Homeland Security, told the briefing that the agency had tested how sunlight and disinfectants -- including bleach and alcohol -- can kill the coronavirus on surfaces in as little as 30 seconds, an excited Mr. Trump returned to the lectern. "Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous -- whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," Mr. Trump said. "And I think you said that hasn't been checked, but we're going to test it?" he added, turning to Mr. Bryan, who had returned to his seat. "And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way."
Apparently reassured that the tests he was proposing would take place, Mr. Trump then theorized about the possible medical benefits of disinfectants in the fight against the virus. "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute -- one minute -- and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning?" he asked. "Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that." Experts have long warned that ultraviolet lamps can harm humans if used improperly -- when the exposure is outside the body, much less inside. The link between ultraviolet light and skin cancer is well established. Bleach and other disinfectants may kill microbes but they also can kill humans if swallowed or if fumes are too powerful. That is why bottles of bleach and other disinfectants carry sharp warnings of ingestion dangers.
Apparently reassured that the tests he was proposing would take place, Mr. Trump then theorized about the possible medical benefits of disinfectants in the fight against the virus. "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute -- one minute -- and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning?" he asked. "Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that." Experts have long warned that ultraviolet lamps can harm humans if used improperly -- when the exposure is outside the body, much less inside. The link between ultraviolet light and skin cancer is well established. Bleach and other disinfectants may kill microbes but they also can kill humans if swallowed or if fumes are too powerful. That is why bottles of bleach and other disinfectants carry sharp warnings of ingestion dangers.
A message to all Trump supporters: (Score:4, Funny)
Please does as your Glorious Leader commands and inject yourself with disinfectant.
Re:A message to all Trump supporters: (Score:4, Funny)
So far I'm free of the virus, so I'll continue eating Tide Pods. /s
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exists only as much as a compassionate conservative.
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"Religion" and "working" in one sentence? What's next, "communism" and "prosperity"?
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True, and let's not forget the great Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi [wikipedia.org], the namesake of the algorithm, we owe him and his bretheren a lot in the fields of mathematics. Odd that he's missing from that extenisive list. Biased? Can't be.
Anyway. In total it's kinda odd how the real progress is limited to the past 200ish years, curiously about the same time when we finally managed to leave that rubbish behind ourselves.
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My compassion with idiots went out the window a long time ago.
Re: A message to all Trump supporters: (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, no. We're at a point where our "tolerance" has gotten us to the poing where batshit insane has become socially acceptable. My tolerance for idiocy is at an end when I have to "seriously discuss" harebrained bullshit as if it had any kind of merit because it would be considered "intolerant" if I told an idiot that he is one.
Compassion towards fools is degenerate (Score:5, Interesting)
Political enemies are not friends with whom one disagrees, and the exemplary death of enemy fools is a common good while being rightly (Darwin Awards) amusing.
Conservatives rightly hate liberals, liberals rightly hate conservatives, and I rightly hate them both for permitting ideology to substitute for critical thinking. The death of fools pleases me because it raises the collective IQ however little.
Someone who would shoot up Lysol is a useless eater unworthy of life. Were they worthy of life they'd not do such things. They are their own judge and jury, good riddance. If God wanted them not to be shit he'd choose accordingly.
Re:Compassion towards fools is degenerate (Score:4, Insightful)
There is NO SYMMETRY in US party politics. One party is run by the most greedy and cynical among us who will almost literally tell the naked president his outfit is fabulous. While the other is run by those who often want to overspend and over-legislate, but still has a soul. To equate them in some kind of "I'm sensible and the rest of you are idiots" diatribe is the real danger because it creates a false choice between apathy and blindly joining the blue/red team.
The problem we are facing because of this false choice is that one of the parties is ACTIVELY KILLING PEOPLE because they appeal to the weak minded (and the top 5%, who profit/prey on those same people.) No taxes? Sure, we just need to let the rural "low-information voter" that its good for them because its good for 'Merica.
If you are as smart as you indicate you think you are, you should realize that party politics are not random. They are a function of what sells. Simple answers sell to simple people. And because of various developments in the past two decades (rise of the city, decrease in crime, working women, etc. etc.) the Republican party has taken this race-to-the-bottom to its absolute extreme. I mean look at who they elected...
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Sorry, but your bias is showing. Many right wing folk are highly intelligent. They just have different goals than you do. None of the ones I know of are favorably disposed to the Trump party.
And to be fair, statism has huge problems. They seem to be inherent in the nature of bureaucracy when run by humans. Perhaps an AI will be able to run a decent government, but people don't seem to be able to manage it. I support universal health coverage despite the shortcomings, because the alternatives seem to b
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Hey, I'm not here to buy votes, if anything, I think Trump should go another four years.
Seriously, we never had as much to laugh with a US prez as with him, even Dubja wasn't as much fun. Dubja was a dangerous idiot. Trump is far less dangerous, and anyone who could pose a threat is kept busy sweeping his blunders under the rug. I like him.
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Iraq was two mistakes: One, to invade. Two, to pull out. Saddam was an asshole, no questions about that. But there was one thing he was: A ruthless secular dictator. He didn't give a shit about Islam and not even half of one about Islamism. Actually, he was quite active in stoming it out because it was in opposition to him. Funny as it may seem the US pretty much blew up the ONLY secular dictatorship in the whole region. It was almost impossible to fire a shot in that region without hitting some religious l
Trump doing Darwin's work (Score:2, Flamebait)
COVID Lifespan in Sunlight? (Score:2)
Does anyone know what the lifespan of the COVID19 virus is in direct sunlight? I read in one article that it was around 30 seconds, but it was mentioned in passing, and I'd be curious to see some scientifically backed literature on the subject.
Specifically, I'm curious how much simply being outdoors affects the spread of the Coronavirus. Perhaps sunlight isn't powerful enough to kill the virus immediately after a sneeze but I would imagine it would quickly disinfect outdoor picnic tables and other surfaces.
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Link to press conference (Score:2)
Some have stated that Trump later in the press conference clarifies what he means. The now infamous speak starts at 24:24 and ends at 27:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] he returns later, but listening to him for another hour is a bit more than I can take atm, so I'd be grateful if anyone who knows could direct me to where in the video this happens.
hit the body with a tremendous light (Score:5, Funny)
last time i saw this done, a bunch of nazi's were melting while staring into a gold box on a remote island
You should follow his advice. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm not a doctor, and this is my opinion only, but if the president is your primary, trusted source of scientific information regarding Covid-19, I strongly, VERY strongly, encourage you to take his advice without delay.
Trumpkins, don't trust the lamestream media! (Score:5, Funny)
Injecting yourself with Lysol is the only way to inoculate yourself against the 5G waves that cause COVID19. This information was on Hilary's server which is the real reason it got sent to Ukraine.
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I have some ideas ... (Score:5, Funny)
... that could help.
I was sick back in November from something that was not flu or strep throat.
My doc gave me a steroid shot in one butt cheek and a blockbuster of antibiotics in the other.
Then she wrote a prescription for antibiotics and cough medicine with codeine.
It worked very well.
Why don't we get the doctors to look at coating our bodies with cough syrup, I'm sure there are some very nice ones, you know, the cough medicines, not the doctors, though I suppose some of them are very nice, I don't know because I'm not a doctor but then we can load up a flashlight with steroid gel between the batteries and form a laser, lasers work very well on the eyes, don't they, Dr. Birx, and the steroid laser would, you know, I have a fever for more cowbell, and antibiotics, why we could soak our feet in a bucket of that, has anyone looked into that, Dr. Birx, and we could shine ultraviolet light into the bucket, no, I have a better idea, let's call Starkist and feed mayonnaise to the tuna, and instead of ultraviolet light, let's get aggressive and try ultraviolent light, maybe energetic photons packed together approaching the virus with these little whips and of course we'd need tiny hands ....
blame (Score:4, Funny)
I blame the medical research community. They are obviously running a competition to see what is the most assenine thing they can get the president to say on live TV. Maybe some kind of bingo or drinking game is involved.
Every time the president says "you're going to test that right", a scientist in a lab somewhere has to drink 2 fingers of tequila
And the guy says "it's just a suggestion"... (Score:3)
Then put the suggestion where it belongs, in a forum appropriate to it that is subject to scientific review.
There's a reason why real scientists don't go around publicly announcing every brainstorm idea they might have before they've gone through the rigor of testing it.
I'm going to give Trump the benefit of the doubt here and assuming that the man is only trying to help, but for god's sake, the man needs to SHUT THE BLOODY FUCK UP!
If he wants to offer suggestions to doctors and scientists that he believes might work, he should be by all rights be welcome to do that, but for crying out loud, that needs to happen behind closed doors, and *DEFINITELY* not in front of a live camera feed.
Warnings? (Score:3)
That is why bottles of bleach and other disinfectants carry sharp warnings of ingestion dangers.
You should see the list of warnings on prescription drugs.
But he was "only joking", so that makes it okay (Score:3)
Right?
I mean, how can you condemn a guy for making a preposterous suggestion that could be lethal if taken seriously when he had only been joking the whole time? And as for the fact that some people who were watching might not be clued in enough to realize that he was joking, how is that the president's fault?
Right?
Right?
&facepalm;
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Sure buddy, defend the indefensible by attacking a woman... is that YOU trump?
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You do realize Donald Trump is an idiot, right? Defending an idiot, either by tacitly agreeing with him, or trying to translate his made ramblings into something a little less moronic, doesn't help, and doesn't reflect well on you.
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Nooo... then why did he say this? (1:14 https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com])
I'm not a doctor but I'm like a person who has a good you know what
Having a good you know what is very important for a stable genius!
Re:Try searching: Trump is mentally ill (Score:4, Insightful)
For most of them, I feel it is because they have such unbias negativity towards Obama and Clinton that they assume it is just the other side of the same coin.
I expect if Trump ran as a democrat, there would still be a 30% base that supports him just because he stands for that party no matter what. Just as 30% currently will blindly support him just because he is a Republican now. This allegiance I find is a lot like people's allegiance towards their sports team.
Yankee vs Red Sox. The players are not natives or representatives of the Cities of New York and Boston respectively. They are picked around the nation/world and traded with other teams including the Yankees and Red Sox. Yet people have a serious alliance with them, for no real reason, often because they grew up in a household that supported that team, and then so do they.
So with Trump, we have 30% that will support him because he is a republican and grew up being taught the Republicans are the good guys. There will be at least 10% who will like him for whatever crazy stance he stands for. That is his 40% core base. The rest of the people are often focused on a particular topic that they agree on, and that topic is very important to them over all others.
Re: Try searching: Trump is mentally ill (Score:5, Insightful)
He's a deranged idiot. He's not a functioning adult, and you can't blame the "lamestream media" for that because via twitter and press conferences he talks directly to us and what he says makes no sense.
The problem people like you have is with Fox going full brainwashing 24/7 Trump has 40% of people on board no matter what he does. But that's going to change. 10 years from now people will wonder what kind of idiot would see Trump's meltdowns and think "yeah he's doing a great job." You support now will be held against you for the rest of your life, and you will ridiculed throughout that.
Re: Try searching: Trump is mentally ill (Score:5, Insightful)
You are feeding a troll, and people hate Trump because Trump hated them first. Just natural tit for tat. The love-for-hate exceptions are people who are too stupid to recognize how much contempt Trump feels towards his own suckers.
The actual question should be "Who are the puppeteers who are pulling Trump's strings to divide and destroy America?" The puppeteers do not like Trump, but they find him useful (and idiotic).
Worse than that. There are surely recordings that give additional leverage over Trump. Some of them are being made by the puppeteers, but there is a high probability that third parties are also exploiting Trump's technical naivete and lack of self-control to get juicy recordings.
Re: Try searching: Trump is mentally ill (Score:5, Insightful)
You are lying. I watched the press conference. Obviously, you did not. He absolutely mused about injecting disinfectant and getting light or UV into the body. Here it is: https://www.whitehouse.gov/bri... [whitehouse.gov]
Here's the passage:
THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.
So you're saying he means "injection inside of a surface" then? What the hell does that mean? It's clear he means injection inside of a body.
Let's hear an argument for his advice, based on what he actually said, not what you wish he said.
Re:Try searching: Trump is mentally ill (Score:4, Insightful)
Google search: Trump is mentally ill [google.com]. Those who support Trump need to understand the unprecedented negativity toward Trump.
There was also unprecedented negativity toward Adolf H*tler. Just saying.
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Informative)
Good luck.
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Funny)
The best part is the reverse angle where you see the face of Dr. Birx as he says it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
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Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:4, Interesting)
They see themselves as protecting the country against him. I used to think people like those two merely honorable. While still think this, I also am starting to see them as enablers. Mattis was similar. The rest are merely spokesmodels.
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Insightful)
I agree. The problem is... while they are trying to help, and seem as enablers at the same time, I think this has more to do with the fact that Trump has shown that he will throw anyone who does not enable or agree with him under the bus, and replace them with even worse people (I mean for fuck sake.. we have a labradoodle dog breeder leader the organization researching a fucking vaccine....)
The sad fact is.. those who are best prepared to defend us (how many of those are left....??), will have to appear to defend and support Trump.
It's the same reason I will vote Joe Biden in 2020 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Interesting)
Because they know Trump would replace them with someone dangerously unqualified. What they do actually matter.
Trump did this with the head of Vaccine research (Score:5, Informative)
It's looking like the guy was fired for not allowing Trump to push hydroxychloroquine as a cure all. One of Trump's donors just happens to be the CEO of the company that makes hydroxychloroquine.
Um... I literally linked to the source (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:4, Interesting)
I think Bush & Cheney normalized (Score:3)
Then there's all the horrible things we did in Iraq, or how it turned out Bush & Cheney lied to get us to war. Or how Bush deregulated the commodities market, spiking prices for food and gas. Or that they ran higher deficits than any Democrat.
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Insightful)
If I was her and Dr. Fauci I would stand up, tell Trumpy the Clown "I quit" and walk the fuck out of the presser. How they can continue being there with this retard is beyond me. They certainly don't need this asshole for a paycheck.
They probably have some hope they can actually reduce the damage the moron-in-chief does. Even very smart people can be fools in that regard.
We can't elect top people, only most appealing (Score:5, Insightful)
We elect the person that best represents us. Are you saying that an vain aging TV star that babbles nonsense doesn't represent a significant fraction of America?
I think Donald Trump has the respect and admiration of a lot of voters. They relate to him because they either are like him in some ways or because they wish to be him.
This idea that a President must be relatable and admired explains a lot about our political system. It's how we have Biden rather than someone who has a policy-based platform. People would rather be comforted by Storytime with Uncle Joe than dive into policy minutia with Hillary or Warren, or start a revolution with crazy Bernie.
This fall, we'll see a battle between two populists factions on which old man better confirms the validity of their own existence. People want to be President vicariously through someone they identify with.
Re:We can't elect top people, only most appealing (Score:5, Interesting)
He gets defended in all sorts of weird ways. Of course, everyone is already saying that he's being misrepresented, when it's perfectly obvious what he said and that he knows nothing about what he's saying and is just babbling. People get upset when you complain that the president is just babbling, which is weird. Others will say that Trump never said those words, that it's all a Democrat plot.
The thing is, his followers don't care that he's a moron. I even see Trump supporters who will readily admit it, but still back him. The reasoning is that he's still better than Hillary (the lesser of two evils) and that he's doing the only thing they want which is putting conservative judges on the bench.
That's ok, I guess, but it does not explain the near total lack of criticism coming from conservatives, so if he's doing what you want then what's so wrong with rolling your eyes at him every now and then? Why is he considered a sacred object that must never be criticized? It's not becuase he's president, because believe me the conservatives have done an excellent job of criticizing presidents in the past, even conservative presidents. American spent two centuries with the public criticizing every little foible of every president, until suddenly Trump is elected and we're all being told to shut up and say nothing negative about thim? What happened to the good old anti-authoritarian backbone of America?
Re:We can't elect top people, only most appealing (Score:4, Interesting)
"People would rather be comforted by Storytime with Uncle Joe than dive into policy minutia with Hillary or Warren, or start a revolution with crazy Bernie."
Nope. Partisans are brainwashed. The only thing up for debate among the D's was who the party was advocating because there was a strongly mixed message indicating it might have been Bernie. As soon as Pelosi made the endorsement public by sending her negro in the black caucus the matter was settled and all the little sheep knew where to go. Sanders has support among some democrats (he after all actually wants to do the things they always pretending to make incremental steps toward which is why it is hillarious they tagged him 'crazy' for suggesting bills that implement what are supposed to be the party's end game objectives).
Hillary was just that and the party voted for her but the REAL moderates and independents supported Bernie and didn't and won't follow like sheep to the parties call. Moderate isn't about the cost of bills, it is about the extremity of their impact in other areas. Hint, if you always support politically correct choices, oppose guns, support every measure proposed by feminists, etc but support Obamacare you are NOT a moderate. Some of those things aren't even remotely logically defensible positions.
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
H.L. Mencken
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Funny)
As to the bright light inside the body, yes, it can be done, and I'm certain there are a multitude of videos out there of how it's done. It is my understanding Pornhub has a few.
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Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Insightful)
You aren't helping him make his case.
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If Trump would come to the podium with a needle, a bottle of bleach and a black light, and personally demonstrated his new wonder career; I'd have full approval. And after he was dragged off the stage frothing at the mouth as his digestive tract was burned to a cinder, then we could wait eagerly for Mike Pence to demonstrate how withholding treatment and praying was successful by standing in the middle of a bunch of asymptomatic carriers spitting on him as he prostrated himself to the Almighty to keep them
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Funny)
Dear Donald,
I think you are on to something. Please inhale disinfectant and tell me how it goes. Maybe try vaping some chlorine?
Thanks!
P.s.
This is for elites only. Don't inhale chlorine unless you are a very stable genius.
D.s.
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Go inject yourself and your whole family with bleach, and STFU.
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You are more than welcome to drink some disinfectant and then get back to us with the results. I wouldn't recommend it though.
Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't forget the UV lightbulb up your ass. That's a critical component of this therapy. I guess you have to be sure you're not using a water-based lubricant. Wouldn't want anyone electrocuting themselves while their GI tract is being destroyed with Lysol and they're cooking their colon with a black light.
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How do obvious morons get mod points?
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Re:Keep forcing your malformed opinion on us, Ms. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not dangerous because he says it, it's dangerous because it's dangerous. We already have enough idiots that drink bleach and pretend it's a miracle cure.
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Free speech has limits.
The classic example of not being allowed to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire is of course the best known illustration of this.
And absolutely Trump should be allowed to express his views... but live television is not the place to be doing brainstorming about hypothetical medical treatments that haven't been given a chance to be exposed to some skepticism and review by some real experts in the field. Simply put, there's just too many non-experts watching him
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Informative)
You are misrepresenting what Trump said. Honestly the UV angle I care very little about. But, yet again, he goes from merely a bit stupid into bat shit stupid zone, and, yet again, the shills are here to lie about the whole conversation.
Trump: "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, it all sounded very stupid - but "is there a way we can do something *like that*" - is very different than saying go inhale bleach.
There just isn't any need to misrepresent what he says, it's already dumb.
And yes, he should realize the impact of his words, and people will probably go try to inhale bleach to "rinse" their lungs.
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There just isn't any need to misrepresent what he says, it's already dumb.
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Trump himself is now backpedaling, claiming he was being sarcastic. Even he won't stand by his own words.
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Insightful)
Different from what he said how?
These disinfectants he is talking about somehow getting into the human body, standard powerful surfactants and chemicals that denature proteins and strong UV, they are effective at killing viruses on surfaces because they are effective at killing virtually every form of life known to man, including human tissue.
"Maybe Trump supporters can just put a loaded gun in their mouths, something like that. That could be interesting if we studied that."
Oh, look! "Something like that" gets me off the hook, right? Who is to say whether I mean it literally, right?
The basic problem here is we have an idiot and a mindless herd of sycophants who will go through any and every kind of mental gymnastics to avoid being honest with themselves. Trump is playing the classic D-student shovel spaghetti at the wall game. Honest normal people look at what he says at face value and say: "If he believes half the things he said, he should be out of office. Look at the 10 things he just said. 7 are beyond stupid." And then the shills come and say "Oh, you just hate him for telling the truth. 3 of things he said sounded pretty smart to me (and haven't be proven completely stupid, yet)." Then two weeks go and Trump and friend backtrack on the 2 of 3 little things that were the least stupid.
I think that Trump's supporters should listen to him very seriously. And get that big bottle of bleach. Then think how interesting would be in that bleach were to get inside their body. And their lungs. Play this game with their children. Something like that.
Sounds interesting, huh?
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A 0.5% solution of alcohol will kill human cells You only survive that strong moonshine because your digestive tract is lined to protect you and the alcohol ends up quickly diluted. Anything remotely like 70% alcohol in your bloodstream or your lungs will definitely kill you.
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Partially correct... how about video [youtube.com] I love how Birx is trying to keep a straight face.
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And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? Like injection inside
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Informative)
He’s not recommending but he absolutely did wonder aloud whether it would be a good idea to inject disinfectant into the lungs. On the board behind him common disinfectants are listed as bleach and isopropyl alcohol.
“And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it [coronavirus] out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
Oh but he said you should do it with a doctor. Yes that makes this a perfectly sane idea to ponder in front of the country.
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>"Oh but he said you should do it with a doctor. Yes that makes this a perfectly sane idea to ponder in front of the country."
No, he said that doctors would have to study it. He never said anyone should do either to themselves. Regardless, it was a crazy statement, as it stood, and that should have been enough. Not so different than a lot of crazy and stupid statements by many politicians of all persuasions.
The piling on of distortions and exaggerations by the sensationalistic media doesn't do them an
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump then asked if they could develop something similar for humans (he didn't recommend to drink bleach) quote
So why did the company that makes Lysol have to come out with PR efforts this morning that warn people that their product is not to be ingested under any circumstances.
Why are so many medical professionals right now feel the need to post warnings/advice about what happens when disinfectants get into your system?
I will tell you why. I will grant you that Trump is misquoted sometimes. But it is not about that. It is because Trump is up there blathering every day about under everything under the sun (no pun intended) and about things he has no business talking about. If he was there just trying to humbly "present talent" he would do so but as usual what he says he is doing is not what he is actually doing, which is to keep the favorable spotlight on himself as much as he possibly can.
So if he was misquoted in this case he still bears responsibility for the spread of dangerous misinformation simply because of the way he runs things. Sorry if that doesn't satisfy your ideological yearnings but that is real life.
Re:What Trump really said (Score:5, Insightful)
Because the media has once again whipped up a hysteria over something they completely made up, and you're cheering them on because Orange Man Bad.
There's no dodging this. This is exactly, word-for-word, what Trump said:
"I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that,"
He suggested injecting disinfectant into a human body to cure a virus. It's right there. When I was around 6 years old I asked my mom this exact question: if cleaning things kill germs, then why can't we inject that into our bodies to kill germs? Simple answer: Because it would kill you. This guy is a moron.
Nobody said "orange man bad" or any other silly label. The nice thing about Trump is you don't need to take his quotes out of context or anything to make him look like a fool.
Re:What Trump really said (Score:4, Insightful)
yes Orange Man IS bad. We are now the epicenter of the Coronavirus pandemic and our economy is in tatters.
And It was a suggestion as he turned to Dr Birx to get a confirmation for her to "look into it". He is the POTUS for crying out loud - during a Press Conference - not a time to suggest something a 10 year old would be wise enough to not ask.
Will you quit trying to protect the stupid... it only makes you look stupid.
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The usual isotonic saline solution is not a disinfectant. A hypertonic saline solution is, but it is not that healthy. Besides, the amount of either required to actually disinfect the lungs - they have a huge surface area - will kill you.
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NO WHERE in your words do I see "Lysol". Or "bleach". Or any other typical household cleaner.
That's freaking hilarious. You're taking your hero's quote out of context! Put it in context, watch the previous couple of minutes of the video and there's absolutely no question what disinfectants he meant -- precisely the same disinfectants that had just been the topic of discussion.
But apparently you should have waited longer before posting, because Orange Man "corrected" the record by saying that he was being sarcastic, not serious. How nice that he can joke about a pandemic that has killed 50,000
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LynnewoodRooster wrote:
Only a dolt would assume disinfectant had only one meaning of "harmful, deadly cleaning chemicals" which seems to be the meme you're pushing...
Errr... Actually, only a dolt would assume that disinfectant meant anything other than "harmful, deadly cleaning chemical". Especially in a medical context. You have to learn the difference between an antiseptic and a disinfectant. One important difference to note is that they can actually often have the same chemical as the active ingredient, just in different concentrations.
Maybe take a look at https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-antiseptic#antiseptic-vs-disinfectant [healthline.com]. It has a
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But he did say it. He said inject, and there isn't any possible other meaning. He also suggested massive doses of UV through the skin or applied internally, which would also be fatal in anything like the amount required to kill the coronavirus in an infected human. Just face it, at the very best, Trump is an incredibly bad communicator. It looks more likely that he's just very, very stupid or insane or both.
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Let me rephrase what he said: I'm the President with no belief in science; you doctors, go out and chase this idea I just had down because, you know, what do you have to lose.
What Trump really said (Score:5, Insightful)
emphasis added by me, but you get the point. The above is insanely irresponsible given we had this [cnn.com] a few weeks ago.
Trump is either staggeringly incompetent, willfully risking people's lives to downplay the challenges of treatment or some combination there of. There is no way to come to any other conclusion.
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Re:What Trump really said (Score:4, Informative)
When did Americans have a sense of shame?
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Trump is close to scientifically illiterate. Like most people, probably. But he didn't recommend drinking or injecting bleach. He didn't even come close to suggesting that. The people claiming he did are as unconcerned about reality as a flat-
Re:Did you pass the IQ test? (Score:5, Insightful)
If he is scientifically illiterate, why is he talking at all? He can just say "Here's Doctor So-and-so, an expert, let's hear what he has to say." Why does he have to be part of the conversation, other than to stand there and let someone who actually knows what they are talking about do the actual talking. Trump's single biggest problem isn't his ignorance (that's clearly bad enough). It's not even his lying or blame shifting. The single biggest problem Donald Trump has is that he's got a big mouth and insufficient wit to know that he has a big mouth, and thus he just talks and talks and talks, and then relies on Fox News to try to do damage control and retranslate his ramblings into something that doesn't mean the leader of the most powerful country in the world just told people to drink cleansers and alcohol and shove a light bulb up their ass.
Seriously. This is approaching Pythonesque. I doubt those fellows, even the greatest shock jock of them all, Graham Chapman, could have written a sketch to rival Trump's medical opinions.
Re:Did you pass the IQ test? (Score:4, Insightful)
If he is scientifically illiterate, why is he talking at all?
Simple: Just the same as his followers, he just cannot stop to talk about things he has absolutely no clue about.
Re:Did you pass the IQ test? (Score:5, Insightful)
I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets inside the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.
Coming from a president during a press briefing it can certainly be seen as inducement to act.
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You can see the full video here and decide for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
The action is at 26:15 and 50:30
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Be careful everyone, lots of people mean to deceive you these days.
Don't worry, your post isn't deceiving anyone.
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I heard the words he used. He is truly insane. More insane is the support he gets and weak opposition
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"There's a massive IQ test on the Internet today. If you think the president was asking Dr. Birx about injecting bleach or isopropyl alcohol into coronavirus patients -- because it sounded that way to you -- you failed the test."
Also, the exact words used in the summary do not seem to match the ones Trump used. Be careful everyone, lots of people mean to deceive you these days.
I've seen the video of the briefing in question and what's being reported is accurate. The IQ test here is for those who are desperately trying to somehow interpret Trumps actual words so they don't sound like the uttering of an idiot they voted for. In this context you passed, but failed in all other respects.
Trump made his remarks after Bill Bryan, who leads the Department of Homeland Security's science and technology division, gave a presentation on the effectiveness of (a) UV light, (b) warmer, more
Re:Did you pass the IQ test? (Score:5, Interesting)
Correct, because that is not what he said. His literal words were:
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting.
In other words, he wanted the light inside the body, not to bathe the body in light.
So no, the press was not putting words in his mouth. The press was repeating exactly what he said.
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You doctor folk should go out and chase this clown idea because I'm the President.
Re:Did you pass the IQ test? (Score:5, Insightful)
That UV paper was published in 2016, and discusses blood infections. The blood was withdrawn from the patient and reinfused. There was no testing on COVID-19, as it didn't exist at the time.. And what part of a hydrogen peroxide nebulizer utilizes an injection? And where are the clinical studies on these treatments for their effectiveness on COVID-19?
There's no way a sensible person could have walked out of a room with his medical experts who presumably were familiar with your links, with the idea of injecting disinfectants or shining UV light into people. It is stupid at face value, it should never have left his mouth. It really isn't even a relevant topic right now, while the focus of the president should be on managing the re-opening of the economy, creating a carefully monitored and modulated plan for getting people back in, while simultaneously minimizing further spread.
Cures, vaccines, treatments are all too early in study to even be worth discussion except to say "We have many ideas being worked on across the country, but it will be a while before we get results, we should focus instead on managing the problem with the tools we have right now."
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Probably? Probably not. COVID-19 and the resulting collapse of the economy have sealed Trump's fate.
Unless the economy is well into recovery by October and the COVID-19 outbreak is immediately quelled, he's gone. Immediately and completely re-opening the economy with huge stimulus through government spending might achieve an economic recovery in time, but it will ensure several hundred thousand additional deaths due to the virus. Shutting down the virus shuts down the economy.
He's done.
Re:Every day.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Probably? Probably not. COVID-19 and the resulting collapse of the economy have sealed Trump's fate.
Unless the economy is well into recovery by October and the COVID-19 outbreak is immediately quelled, he's gone. Immediately and completely re-opening the economy with huge stimulus through government spending might achieve an economic recovery in time, but it will ensure several hundred thousand additional deaths due to the virus. Shutting down the virus shuts down the economy.
He's done.
I wish I could be as confidant as you are. The history and worldwide statistics should that people rally around their leader when they are afraid. It is really dumb when their leaders are the ones at fault, but it is observed everywhere, even in the US where Trump now have "record-high" approval ratings (for him, still terribly low).
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He never said 'inject yourself with disinfectant'. But we have an entire news cycle about it where it would just be some crackpot theory that got deleted on Twitter if it came from the other side.
He said, direct quote : "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? Like injection inside or almost a cleaning because, you see, it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number in the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that."
Would you like the video? A google search gives me a few hundred. Try this one: https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]