Bernie Sanders Drops Out of the 2020 Race, Clearing Joe Biden's Path To the Democratic Nomination (cnn.com) 701
Sen. Bernie Sanders ended his presidential campaign on Wednesday, clearing Joe Biden's path to the Democratic nomination and a showdown with President Donald Trump in November. From a report: Sanders first made the announcement in a call with his staff, his campaign said. "I wish I could give you better news, but I think you know the truth, and that is that we are now some 300 delegates behind Vice President Biden, and the path toward victory is virtually impossible," Sanders said in a livestream after the call. "So while we are winning the ideological battle and while we are winning the support of so many young people and working people throughout the country, I have concluded that this battle for the Democratic nomination will not be successful. And so today I am announcing the suspension of my campaign."
Sanders' exit caps a stunning reversal of fortune following a strong performance in the first three states that voted in February. The nomination appeared his for the taking until, on the last day of February, Biden surged to a blowout victory in South Carolina that set off a consolidation of moderate voters around the former vice president. The contest ends now as the country continues to grapple with the coronavirus pandemic, which halted in-person campaigning for both Sanders and Biden and has led many states to delay their primary elections."
Sanders' exit caps a stunning reversal of fortune following a strong performance in the first three states that voted in February. The nomination appeared his for the taking until, on the last day of February, Biden surged to a blowout victory in South Carolina that set off a consolidation of moderate voters around the former vice president. The contest ends now as the country continues to grapple with the coronavirus pandemic, which halted in-person campaigning for both Sanders and Biden and has led many states to delay their primary elections."
Wunnerful (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't our primary system just great?
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... who should be in prison [realclearpolitics.com].
Fixed it for you...
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
Right now...he is NOT in the spotlight.
He is no longer on the trail...no longer showing what has appeared over recent months, to be somewhat of a decline in mental acuity.
I've followed Joe a good while....and sure, he has made gaffes, that's one thing and you can explain or spin your way out of most any but the most aggregious ones and I'm not holding that against him really.
But it seems his campaign, before the virus hit, was having to limit his public speaking events as much as possible to 7 min or less.
He's been seen just talking and losing total track of thought, which occasionally happens to us all, but this has become quite regular it seems.
When this happens, he has either just started trailing off and going silent...or just starting to talk nonsense, things that just don't go together.
That worries me, because this is not the Joe Biden of old.
I've been shocked seeing at least a couple times back, him getting very agitated and angry at his own supporters when asking questions that he might not like.....the "lying dogfaces pony soldier" was an example of a very strange encounter.
Anyway, the virus keeps Joe out of the speaking spotlight and that might bode well for him.
He may not even have to debate Trump 1-on-1 very much if at all.....
Trump is far from a prolific speaker, he rambles, but it's different with him, you don't see him searching for words like I've seen Biden do recently.
Anyway...this virus is going to make this election season VERY different and interesting.
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He could make Warren his VP and that would seem like a great outcome. He is trusted and she has much better thought out methods to get things done. I can think of FAR worse outcomes than that.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
While I agree that it would likely be politically beneficial for him to select a woman as a VP running mate, I would argue against Warren as that candidate!!
Warren is not likable and her views/goals were proven to NOT be popular in the presidential primaries early on,
I mean she could not even win her own state, you know?
If Biden pulled anyone from the presidential primary files, I'd say maybe Klobuchar (sp?) might be a good one.
He might be well served looking outside that field and going possibly for a female from the military.
Someone with military experience might be good for the ticket, someone with personality and charisma, that is a quick thinker on her feet.
And honestly, if she was decent looking, that wouldn't hurt.
Yes, that would come into play....ideally she'd be attractive, but not TOO knock out beautiful as that that too would go against her.
Anyway...I think Warren would be a poor choice and would not help the ticket.
I think if nothing else, the Dem presidential primary proved that while the far left leaning wing of the party is a VERY vocal minority.....they still are a minority in a party that still is mostly left leaning centrist.
I don't think the majority of the Democrat party want a revolution....no more so that the other side of the aisle.
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Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
Stacey Abrams might be a good choice. Much younger, female and black and would help in some harder states.
Remember kids: It's not sexism, bigotry or racism when we base our voting preferences on sex or race, only when they do it.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Funny)
Biden Pocahontas 2020. When you need 1024th more crazy.
Campaign Slogan:
...Warren 2021
Biden 2020!
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Funny)
Trump is far from a prolific speaker, he rambles, but it's different with him, you don't see him searching for words like I've seen Biden do recently.
hahah he just makes up words to keep a flow going...Trevor Noah does a great bit featuring these made up words, makes Biden look great in comparison because this is Trump trying to read and pronounce words like a 3rd grader. Fucking embarassing really.
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But that works well with his voters. He uses words they don't know, he gotta be smart!
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4, Informative)
And yet Trump has gaffes and lies every day, and he's constantly stumbling over his words and repeating himself. Trump is indeed searching for his words only you don't see it because he keeps rambling rather than pausing. It's also simpler because Trump only has to remember when to say "tremendous", "powerful", "greatest", and other superlative adjectives.
Side by side, I don't see Trump winning any mental acuity battles.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4, Funny)
Well, I don't see Trump winning any true mental acuity battles with anyone....
But in a head to head debate I could see him getting Biden into a state of sounding like Grandpa Simpson [youtube.com].
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Joe Biden of 2008 claimed [nytimes.com], the US "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon" — which remarkable achievement Bush ruined by failing to move NATO forces into the country...
And this was the man sold to the country — by the Democratic Party [politico.com] and its media [nytimes.com] — as a Foreign Policy Expert [go.com]. He provided "gravitas", you see...
The Joe Biden of much older than that was a liar [anncoulter.com] and a plagiarist [snopes.com] — still is, apparently [washingtonpost.com].
WTF are you peddling here?
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump was trained when he was younger. It's why he never uses words like "um" or "ah". Instead, his speech training basically told him what to do when he can't think of what to say next.
It revolves around repeating the last few words you just said, which is why he can say things like "This will make them happy, really happy, they'll be so happy" - and other contentless filler - he's basically searching for what to say next, and in the mean time, where normal people would pause or "um" or "ah", his training kicks in which basically say "fill the void with words".
So that's why he rambles - he was taught that way - never to pause or have ums and ahs. He's searching for what to say next, and in the meantime, just say something to fill the air.
It's also possible he knows not what he just said - this was trained to him a long time ago so he probably does a lot of it unconsciously.
It's also possible a lot of his lies that he denies, he believes in what he's saying because he didn't know what the said. When the goal is "never leave dead air" his mind went on autopilot, strung some words together and he said some things without actually realizing what he said.
He really has no recollection of what he said because he didn't put the idea together - the words just came out of his mount like it was powered by a Markov word chain sentence generator - something that spits out words that actually oddly seem legitimate, but nonsense.
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who carried out the policy of the Senate [vox.com]and the President, which, incidentally, was the same policy as that of a host of other countries concerning the removal of the corrupt Viktor Shokin. Fixed it for you.
The prosecutor (Lutsenko) that ran the Burisma [reuters.com] investigation says that it was a tax issue that had nothing to do with Hunter Biden.
So what crime was committed? Be careful -- anything that you say can be used against your favorite members of the Trump family
No, he's fine. (Score:4, Insightful)
Nice miss characterization. It was the US government's position as well as many of our allies that the Ukrainian prosecutor in question be fired. Biden was just doing the leg work for our government.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
Given the context of the conversation thread you are replying to here....
I do not think that word means what you think it means.....
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Hey - where's the link to the findings for the Biden's involvement in Ukraine ?
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Sure, sure, like NOBODY is aware that Russia is at war with Ukraine [wikipedia.org], while Ukraine is trying to rip the Russia planted corruption from their state (since Russia owned a past Ukrainian President [wikipedia.org])
The entire Biden narrative in Ukraine is centered around US attempts to assist the Ukrainian government in throwing aside from the Russian planted corruption that is hold Ukraine back from integrating with the EU.
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You cute...
He threatened to withhold crucial aid until a government prosecutor is fired. The prosecutor was investigating the gas company, which paid Biden's son $50K/month... There is simply nothing, that Hunter Biden could've done in exchange for that fee, to justify it — he knows neither the Ukrainian language nor laws, he was never involved in gas-extraction anywhere, nor even anything else remotely useful. The guy was thrown out from Navy Reserve for cocaine use [nbcnews.com]!
How stupid are we? [Americans collectively] (Score:4, Insightful)
FP wrong-foots the "discussion" again. Please don't feed the trolls. There is no mind there.
However the aspect that interests me is Trump's projection and hypocrisy. Or is it just the total lack of imagination? Trump makes SO many accusations, but EVERY time the accusation is more applicable to Trump than it is to the person or entity that he is accusing.
Or another way to word it: Is there no crime that Trump can accuse someone else of that he hasn't committed first and harder?
In the specific case of Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee, Trump is accusing one of Biden's children of profiting from his father's high position in the government. Now look at Trump's adult children. (Tiffany doesn't really count because her relationship with Trump is minimal. (Hey, how would you feel about a father who wanted to abort you?))
So what am I actually looking for in this discussion (apart from some quasi-technical rationale for featuring it on Slashdot)? I guess it would be the political dynamics, which these days do largely come back to manipulating the Internet. Maybe Trump has the advantage there, since it's so cheap and easy to propagate BS and so many American voters are so gullible and outright stupid?
Obviously Bernie has decided that it's time to start unifying the Democratic Party behind the nominee. I even agree with Bernie that he's a better nominee than Joe Biden, but neither of them would have made my list of the top 3. (My own favorite was Yang, but at least some of his ideas seem to be resonating now.) Having said that, I'm skeptical because the Democratic Party has never been organized, and the enemies of democracy, both foreign and domestic, have become quite skilled at exploiting the internal divisions to divide and conquer the Democrats...
This week's recommended reading: Democracy in Chains by MacLean, How Democracies Die by Levitsky and Ziblatt, and The Splinters of our Discontent by the infamous Libertarian Godwin. Haven't finished any of them, but switching to lighter reading after some quantum astrophysics ( The Book of Nothing ) and incomprehensible math ( The Irrationals ) (though I'm sure a serious mathematician could understand it).
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It's called projection. He assumes other people think the way he does, he puts himself in what he thinks their shoes are and imagines what he would do.
And the answer is usually crimes.
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Biden wanted a prosecutor who was looking into a corrupt business that just happened to be paying his son $80,000 a month fired.
I don't think the corruption was at the prosecutor's end.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4, Insightful)
When will you admit that Obama is a liar, Sanders is a lying grifter, and Biden is a senile liar who molested interns?
Absolutely none of them are in any way in the same league as the problem that is Trump. Each of them have their own issues, none of them remotely as serious as the problems with the current president.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
But what does a president do, other than bitch?
Seems like thisnone in particular has zero power, zero control over any governmental organization.
He hires the wrong fools, then fires them. Which means he has zero judgement ability on anything. And why was he relying on the WHO for this coronavirus thing in the first place? His idiots had no clue what's happening in Wuhan? He can't choose competent fools?
What does a president do other than bitch? He listens to idiots, then blames them for THEIR lack of judgement rather than his own. Since when was that an acceptible thing? Why was he relying on the WHO and China in the first place?
What does a president do, other than bitch? Listen to idiots?
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What have the Romans ever done for us?
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
Those weren't people, they were enablers. Even Mattis should have known better. Trump corrupts everything he touches. And he'll do it again with the $2 Trillion aid package. That was just too much money for him not to attempt to use for his own purposes. To do that, he needed to fire the IG in charge of seeing that he didn't siphon it off.
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Now we replace the corrupt politician with a senile one.
Both the Bush and Trump presidencies are clear that being of sound mind is not a pre-requisite for holding the highest office.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
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She's a fairly unlikable person.
Many keep using this terrible argument. So what? No one liked President John Adams, or his grandson, President John Quincy Adams. No one liked President Nixon, and apart from his involvement in the Watergate scandal, he was an excellent President. SALT I, the EPA, he had a lot of beneficial impact (and I am a liberal saying this). There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China.
You know who are the most loved individuals in history before history got ahold of them? Sociopaths. Narcissists. Li
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4, Insightful)
Some states allow you to vote outside your two party box, insanity!
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm an independent who does cares about the problem of illegal immigration but the Republicans will never get any votes from me over the issue because I've never seen them ever take measures that would realistically reduce illegal immigrant numbers.
The entire party isn't even focused on the right part of the problem. Illegal immigrants come to this country for jobs. It's a simple supply and demand relationship, as long as there's demand for illegal immigrant labor in this country and poor people are nearby we will continue to have large numbers of them come here. Spending billions on a wall and billions more on enforcement will do nothing to change this core economic principle.
Instead of chasing the supply side of the problem (which the war on drugs clearly shows is pretty ineffective) we should be going after demand and the real bad guys in this equation, the American employers who hire illegal immigrants! The already existing government e-verify system https://www.e-verify.gov/ [e-verify.gov] should be made mandatory for all American employers and heavy fines should be put in place for violators. No jobs for illegal immigrants = no illegal immigrants very quickly.
But just like with the budget deficit (pretty much the one other big conservative issue I care about) Republican politicians have shown for decades they truly have no interest in solving the problem so nationally I vote for Democrats because they do at last occasionally deliver on other issues I care about.
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He had a trial in the Senate and he was acquitted. The biggest trial will be in November and he'll win that one too.
Re: Wunnerful (Score:5, Interesting)
And because this is a process handled by the legislative branch, none of the known juridical protections apply. For instance, Donald Trump complained that he was not getting due process. This is completely right, as a sitting president has exactly zero rights in impeachment proceedings. Again, this is not a court of law, this is not even the juridical branch of government. None of the usual regulations apply. Instead, both Houses of Congress have the absolute right to make their own rules for each impeachment. And with an Republican majority in the Senate, it was easy to stop any impeachment. Even in the theoretical case that the impeachment beyond all reasonable doubt proved that a sitting president personally killed his wife, had sex with minors, embezzled the whole money from the budget and was each night out to break into houses and steal socks from the washing basket, the Senate has the right to vote "No" on an impeachment.
Thus the acquittal in the Senate proves only one thing: The president got a majority of votes in the Senate.
Impeachment is its own thing (Score:3)
Well, no. The lower house of congress impeached him; that's passed into history now. He was impeached. The senate has no say in that matter at all.
What went on in the senate — the upper house of congress — was a non-judicial trial undertaking consequent to the existing impeachment by the lower house, and that process concluded without a removal. It's fair to use scare quotes: "trial" because it was definitely not a judicial trial as we normall
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You do understand that only a court can find you guilty, right? The US isn't Soviet Russia, where investigators could find you guilty and then have you summarily executed.
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That isn't even remotely true. Sanders wanted government provided healthcare and education including college. That is pretty much the same as Europe, the "more extreme than europe" nonsense was a bunch of edge cases and loopholes that the private enterprises have managed to exploit in europe being closed so the thing really remains a public option. Basically, like places with new internet having blazing fast speeds because they built their infrastructure last with all the lessons learned in place we'd do th
Re:Wunnerful (Score:5, Informative)
Don't know what "random association that has been proven false" you are referring to, but no allegations referred to in the OP have been "proven to be false" and obstruction of justice is well documented. Furthermore, actions regarding his charity have been proven in court and he was literally impeached for obstruction of Congress.
Also, "you or I" are unlikely to mismanage federal emails so that question is moot. It isn't moot for Trump's family, however, who have committed the exact same "offenses" that you feel Hillary is guilty of and that "you or I" would get jail time for. It should also be noted that Trump himself uses unsecured communications every single day.
Finally, choosing not to pursue prosecution does not require "made-up reasoning" nor were the reasons hidden. Comey released the following:
"In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here."
So in conclusion, you are completely full of shit. Nice try.
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What exactly are the Republicans going to be able to accuse Biden of that can't be leveled against Trump? Bernie would have been successfully labeled a socialist and that would have been that. Biden scares the shit out of Trump so much that he had Giuliani lurk around Eastern Europe looking for anything to tar him with, but considering Trump's history of shady business dealings, that too seems a little rich even if it were true.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4, Insightful)
Trump is only dangerous if you want breathable air, drinkable water, or a reasonable response to the Covid crisis.
Re:Wunnerful (Score:4)
A senile sex offender for that matter. Last I heard, he raped a women and as you know, believe all women means it was true.
Last I heard, "#BelieveWomen" does NOT believe every allegation that a woman can make. It means that when a woman makes an allegation, the first response should not be that she is making a false claim for attention, or to unjustly bring down a powerful man, or because someone is paying/will pay her to do so.
It does, however, show the stupidity of these trendy Twitter hashtags and how we can't boil complex issues down to a two or three word slogan.
The Bern fizzled out (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately, any viable president has to be a unifying persona and Sanders is not it. With the current COVID situation we can see the critical importance of having president to be a respected and unifying figure that most of the country would follow. I am not ready to call Biden a desirable candidate, but he certainly is less polarizing figure than Sanders or Trump. At this point we need return to normalcy.
Re:The Bern fizzled out (Score:4, Insightful)
Democratic values of labor support and social nets were being neglected in favor of gender identity politics, globalism and open borders.
This is very well said. Some of the liberal democrats I know are more concerned about disenfranchised men (trans women) being able to compete in women sports than if the blue-collar worker is getting a fair shake.
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Some of the liberal democrats I know are more concerned about disenfranchised men (trans women) being able to compete in women sports than if the blue-collar worker is getting a fair shake.
If your goal is to increase greater good, there is a lot more blue-collar ex-workers that had their jobs outsourced than all of LGBT people in existence. So even if every LGBT person in existence is badly mistreated, the worker issue should still take priority.
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and the real problem is anyone who accepts the premise that we must choose between the two.
Re:The Bern fizzled out (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, baloney. Biden won in part because the DNC wanted a moderate candidate, not an outsider who labeled himself a socialist. The other is that those young Sanders supporters you alluded to talk a good game and then don't come out in numbers to vote.
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Sex offender and rapist too.
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Forced penetration of any kind is legally rape in most states, and his accuser has witnesses.
Re:The Bern fizzled out (Score:4, Insightful)
One thing is certain, the next president of the USA will be a sexual predator.
As such you have to base your choice on something else.
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I previously said I would vote against Trump but I just can't see teaching the democratic party that they can work against democracy and still get my vote.
Fuck it, let it burn. Maybe I'll change my name so it's not obvious I'm a Mexican-American... Since I don't look Mexican.
The DNC has for too long counted on the fact that they could run a turd sandwich and still get votes. I can't really see bothering to vote for a slightly more liberal rapist.
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> don't give a shit what he does to women
Apparently, neither do the women that let him!
The VP is the candidate (Score:4, Insightful)
With Joe Biden's obvious and progressing dementia, it's really about who get chosen to be his VP. This is shaping up to be an interesting race: Trump vs Biden's VP. I don't think there's a debate format for that yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if we get one this year.
This opens some interesting possibilities for the Democratic party, as the VP doesn't have to be any of the candidates, it can be anybody, though it probably needs to be a woman. Does the establishment have someone behind the scenes getting prepped for this, someone they trust fully not to rock the boat, keep business as usual? If someone we've never heard of gets picked for VP, we'll know the fix is in.
OTOH, maybe things aren't entirely corrupt and we'll get someone like Amy Klobuchar, who seems to at least have some principles and values of her own, despite being part of the establishment.
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I don't think Warren is liked by the establishment, she seems to be gaming the system more than part of it, and she's a screechy harridan to boot. It certainly won't be Tulsi, she wanted actual reform.
Re:The VP is the candidate (Score:4, Insightful)
If the DNC wanted to promote Sanders' policies they could have simply supported Sanders instead of sabotaging him. That is the opposite of what they want, because they are corporate whores. Warren is all in on capitalism by her own words, and choosing her as VP is really not the same thing as promoting Sanders' policies AT ALL.
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With Joe Biden's obvious and progressing dementia, it's really about who get chosen to be his VP.
No it's not. Both Bush and Trump were and are able to run the country just fine with dementia. Biden is no different than Bush was, and Bush ran the damn thing for 2 terms.
Seriously have you seen a Bush speech from when he was Governor of Texas? The man was a wordsmith. As president all he was is someone that made other's say "my word!" every time he couldn't finish a sentence.
Re:The VP is the candidate (Score:4, Informative)
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It is tragic that one of the most technically advanced nation in the world is trying to decide which candidate is more demented than the other!
What the hell is wrong with our political system?
Re:The VP is the candidate (Score:5, Funny)
In related news... (Score:5, Funny)
In related news, Joe Biden drops out of the 2020 race, endorses Joe Biden.
"Democracy" (Score:2)
Maybe we should bring some to America ...
I wish there was a state on this planet, that was known for doing that. ...
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All right! (Score:2)
We're down to two really old white guys!
Given neither is exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, people probably need to at least think about who they'd prefer as President - Pence, or (I'm guessing) "that woman from Michigan" as Trump refers to her.
Also, we should probably start thinking about a maximum age limit for presidential candidates.
Bernie had tremendous support (Score:5, Insightful)
Among people under 40, who don't vote. Every other demographic he was well under 50%.
Re:Bernie had tremendous support (Score:4, Informative)
What people like about Sanders is that he is uncompromising. That also sets a hard ceiling for him as a politician.
Success in a democracy requires building coalitions, and that requires compromises, something that as you get older you understand more. He couldn't even pick up *Warren* voters, who pretty much all lined up behind Biden.
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"He couldn't even pick up *Warren* voters, who pretty much all lined up behind Biden."
The majority of Warren backers I know only wanted her over Sanders because she was a woman. They continually talked about how she had a plan, but Sanders had plans for all the same shit. Most of them were women themselves. That they lined up behind creepy, rapey uncle Joe is absolutely fucking inexplicable. They went for the demented harasser instead of the consistent champion of freedom. I will never respect their politic
No surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
This is no surprise. Sanders was too sane and reasonable, in an almost non-American way. He was also not a creep for women. Doomed to fail for the presidency.
It is not reasonable to say one is going to completely change the economic landscape of a country as president when 90% of what one is proposing requires legislation that will be opposed by well over half the legislative bodies to pass said legislative bodies.
Sanders wants to implement medicare for all, which would require legislation. That legislation will be opposed by insurance companies who lobby and contribute to parties and campaigns. Sanders wants to modify corporate tax laws which will be opposed by corporations who lobby and contribute to parties and campaigns. Sanders wants to make college free for all, colleges that are controlled by the individual states and thus it will be opposed by the individual states. Sanders wants to cancel student loan debt which, while backed by the government, is held by private financial institutions who will oppose both free college for all, canceling student loan debt, and an end to student loans. Sanders wants a wealth tax which will require legislation and will be opposed by corporate executives and members of Congress as long as they fall under it making it a tax on only the ultra rich who can afford to buy entire countries to get away from it.
Sanders' is not reasonable. Everything Sanders has sold his most loyal supporters on can't be done without the backing of 60% of each house and he doesn't even have the backing of most of the democrats. Sanders is promising things he KNOWS he can't provide. What do we call someone who promises something that he can't provide?
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Only if you consider, "American" to be, "screw everyone else, once I have my money everyone else can just go away and die". Bernie has always stood up for helping others and making life better for others, which does go against what both Democratic and Republican parties stand for.
Re:No surprise (Score:5, Informative)
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I hear you and totally agree with the fact that getting Sanders' ideas through Congress was pretty much impossible. The problem is that I listen to what Biden says on like healthcare and I feel like we're all on a ship that's sinking; Sanders is suggesting tearing the ship apart to make rafts and Biden is suggesting we consider making larger buckets out of tiny portions of the ship. The status quo does nothing if the whole system is broke.
The only thing I'm holding out for now is that this pandemic might sh
Re:No surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
> Sanders is promising things he KNOWS he can't provide.
Moreso, Sanders couldn't get any of his ideas passed while he was in Congress for decades.
I don't know which is worse. The fact that Sanders didn't have a single accomplishment in Congress toward his agenda or that his supporters think that when he became president he would finally deliver.
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Now I know better. (Score:2, Troll)
I should've known better after the Obama presidency. I thought I did, but Bernie wore me down, and I trusted him. That was a mistake. He ran an essentially fraudulent campaign where he sucked up poor peoples' money by promising them the moon, while punctuating every interview and debate with "my opponents are good people who can beat Trump." He threw the fight from day one. What a scumbag.
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His opponents are good people who can beat Trump. Should he lie? You prefer a liar as a candidate? If you tell the truth you are a scumbag?
The problem with Bernie is that he is a dreamer and not a doer. His place is in the congress, not the executive branch where doing is the requirement.
I'll still vote for the lesser evil. (Score:5, Insightful)
Remember that when November comes around.
Also I get to tell all the haters they can't pin this on me when Biden loses... If you're reading this I hope you don't have a pre-existing condition. With Corona Virus the insurance industry already wants to raise rates 40%. Christ, you people could've had that fixed. What are you gonna do with a $600-$1000/mo hole in your budget for healthcare? What?
Ok. I'm done.
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How much did they pay Bernie off this time?
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I'm guessing more than last time, when it was Hillary. Last time maybe Hillary's people just said "you're looking depressed there Bernie, hope you're not feeling suicidal". This time I'm sure they had to pay well.
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Re:And? (Score:5, Insightful)
Sore loser? Bernie campaigned more for Hillary than anyone else did after the convention in 2016. Independent voters who don't consider themselves Democrats didn't vote for Hillary in the general election, and they won't vote for Biden in 2020.
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Why pay someone who is losing to lose?
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Yup, nothing to do with the collapse of Bernie's early surge. It's just unimaginable that the majority of Democrats don't want him as their candidate.
Re:And? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: And? (Score:2)
WE are the one losing something, you massive ... VOTER!
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Bullshit. (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, dear Americans: They are not African. You're only saying that because you are both racist, and also afraid of the SJW Nazis who made you believe that simple descriptive terms like "black" would somehow magically imply hate.
This is also, why "black" works like a taint for you people. E.g. Obama is just as much white as he is black. Yet you would call him black, even if he only had a single black parent, 8 generations ago.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Go back to your cognitive therapy sessions. You desperately need them.
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Also, dear barefoot: They're as much African American as I am European American. It's a perfectly accurate term, unless we're Native American we all came from somewhere else at some point
No one likes the words police complaining about what no one else cares about. Fuck off.
This is also, why "black" works like a taint for you people. E.g. Obama is just as much white as he is black. Yet you would call him black, even if he only had a single black parent, 8 generations ago
That's how things work in the context of being a minority in any country. If you're not pure blood majority you stand out.
Re:Bullshit. (Score:5, Insightful)
Elon Musk is African American.
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Re: Nooo!!! My free stuff! (Score:2)
You won't.
That's The Joke(TM).
It's on you.
And paying a citizen's rtuition is an investment in your country, hence in your economy too, and ultimately benefits everyone. /obviously/, who wants *that*? Only America's Enemies(TM)! ... Wait, what?
So
Who is the enemy here?
Congratulations, it's you!
Welcome to the idiocracy.
We'll reclaim the land, once you are "done", and radiation has worn off.
Bernie Sanders was the last hope (Score:2)
The USA is going down; a late stage democracy, as all end up in despotism at the end of their cycle.
Bernie Sanders was the FDR but with bad timing. As we follow towards an Italian demise with Mango Mussolini (orange and fruity but same fascist taste.)
Biden will just slow walk us, not prevent our death. In a sane world, Biden would be the GOP candidate but instead people will completely misunderstand my statement, unaware of history and how things have shifted. Hell, Lincoln is no Republican today; that t
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Oh fuck off. It's people like you that make America the shithole for anyone but the rich that it currently is today.
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Pot, meet kettle.