Pinterest Bans Misinformation About Voting and the Census (washingtonpost.com) 122
An anonymous reader shares a report: Pinterest is ramping up its efforts to crack down on political misinformation ahead of the 2020 election -- a sign that the platform best known for lighthearted fare such as recipes, wedding planning and beauty tips is not immune from the challenges facing other major social media sites. The company tells The Technology 202 that it will now remove any content that misleads people about where, when or how to vote. It is also promising to crack down on any hoaxes that could turn off people from participating in the census, as experts warn the count could be a key target for bad actors seeking to meddle with the U.S. democratic process. Pinterest's new "civic participation" policy will apply to content from users' posts and ads on the service.
"This is an Internet problem," said Aerica Shimizu Banks, Pinterest's lead for federal policy and social impact. The only way to address misinformation broadly, Banks adds, is for tech companies and government officials to work together. Pinterest, like other tech companies, will report any count-related hoaxes to the U.S. Census Bureau so that the agency can debunk them and ensure they're not spreading on other social networks.
"This is an Internet problem," said Aerica Shimizu Banks, Pinterest's lead for federal policy and social impact. The only way to address misinformation broadly, Banks adds, is for tech companies and government officials to work together. Pinterest, like other tech companies, will report any count-related hoaxes to the U.S. Census Bureau so that the agency can debunk them and ensure they're not spreading on other social networks.
Facts are facts! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not about "complex" issues or opinions. It's about misinformation about the voting process. If you post "November 5, 2020 is voting day" or "the poling station has been moved to 123 Fake Street", that's just plain wrong. There is no bias or partisanship involved in calling it out. Stopping people from posting lies that stop others from voting is not censorship, it is a public duty and the bare minimum that any internet platform should be required to do.
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This is not about "complex" issues or opinions. It's about misinformation about the voting process. If you post "November 5, 2020 is voting day" or "the poling station has been moved to 123 Fake Street", that's just plain wrong. There is no bias or partisanship involved in calling it out. Stopping people from posting lies that stop others from voting is not censorship, it is a public duty and the bare minimum that any internet platform should be required to do.
It won't stop there, and you know it won't stop there.
Or maybe you don't ...
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Your predicate doesn't follow logically from your subject.
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...Stopping people from posting lies that stop others from voting is not censorship, it is a public duty and the bare minimum that any internet platform should be required to do.
Bare minimum? Let me know where I can buy that Liar-Liar plugin you're obviously referring to for all my online services. Should make this whole Protect-The-Ignorant public duty rather easy.
Finding the actual facts about voting dates and locations isn't a "complex" problem to solve either, and the People already fund this effort right down to delivering the physical notifications to each citizen at their registered address, which already costs taxpayers millions.
Re: Facts are facts! (Score:1)
MOAR CENSORSHIP NOW!!!
I, for one, totally trust Progressive-Nazi-run surveillance companies to protect MY civil liberties!
Re:Facts are facts! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Facts are facts! (Score:4)
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As oppose to you, inventing an issue with no evidence of it.
Let me google that for you (Score:2)
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You seem to be concern trolling. You made your own political leanings obvious.Show me one instance where someone lied about where a republican polling location was. You can't, because it's only fucking Republicans that lie about where voting takes place.
You know full well that stopping disinformation hurts republicans because they are the primary source of disinformation, and you would rather use disinformation than take the loss that lying Republicans so richly deserve.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Re:Facts are facts! (Score:5, Informative)
Did you read the article? Says they traced the calls to a conservative office. So the only case you can find is in Canada, and it's conservatives pretending to be liberals? Sad, low energy.
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Unreferenced links [Re:Facts are facts!] (Score:3)
Thank you.
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Sorry, you must not be familiar with an Example. you seem a little high strung. you may need to calm your shit.
Im neither Democrat, liberal conservative or republican. all the parties are lying sacks of shit.
So your view is that if it happens in another country it cant happen in the US.. right got it.
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ah, another person who thinks that because it happens elsewhere it cant happen in the states.
If my previous posts of "i don't care who is doing it" weren't clear. any party caught doing it should be investigated and punished. any media caught assisting should be investigated and punished.
is that plain enough for you ?
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No, I'm saying this is yet more proof I am right and conservatives are dishonest, vote suppressing assholes wherever they come from. Thank you, oh enlightened centrist, for helping me make my case.
Funny how most people who claim to be centrist actually espouse very conservative positions. For example, although you claim to be centrist, you are defending the right while smearing the left. If you were really centrist, you'd be able to recognize that right wingers are lying sacks of shit pretty much all the ti
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No, it is not plain enough because, while you have claimed that this is a problem both sides are equally guilty of, you have yet to provide any proof.
I never said that this being in Canada means it doesn't happen in the states. I am saying, this example was shown to be carried out by the Canadian CONSERVATIVE party, pretending to be liberals. So it is yet more proof that conservatives are dishonest fuckwads, which is what I've been saying all along.
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Point me to where i have claimed any such thing that its common both sides.
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You said, "but you get places doing the "voting is at this location1" which is right and its say a democrat area. and another add saying "voting for this area2 is at locationx" when its a republican area but its actually at location2."
Now, you COULD try to weasel out of this by claiming you were simply invoking a hypothetical. Except pretty much everyone called you out, saying your hypothetical was nonsensical, because only one side ever does that. And you then tried to defend that point of view by providin
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when I was 18, Warren would be considered center.
Center in America is right.
Re:Facts are facts! (Score:5, Interesting)
So prove me wrong. Show me when a democrat lies about a polling location. Should be pretty easy, unless you are full of shit. Here's my proof that Republicans use voter suppression tactics:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/... [thedailybeast.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
https://www.miamiherald.com/op... [miamiherald.com]
Your turn sport. Put up or shut up.
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So prove me wrong. Show me when a democrat lies about a polling location. Should be pretty easy, unless you are full of shit. Here's my proof that Republicans use voter suppression tactics:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/... [thedailybeast.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
https://www.miamiherald.com/op... [miamiherald.com]
Your turn sport. Put up or shut up.
Try These (and see if this counters possible confirmation bias about it's all about Voter suppression -- maybe Voter Fraud sometimes is a real thing...)
https://www.heritage.org/voter... [heritage.org]
https://www.investors.com/poli... [investors.com]
https://www.washingtontimes.co... [washingtontimes.com]
https://nypost.com/2018/12/06/... [nypost.com]
https://www.realclearpolitics.... [realclearpolitics.com]
And if you're willing to google and search through the positive & negative results, you'll find more...
That close elections continually happen is a real thing as well-- and if (like alot of t
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I just took the top four posts out of thousands. Do the fucking google search yourself and pick a source you like, asshole. Stop poisoning the well, it's a lame-ass fallacy.
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Yes, we know that republicans like to push that narrative, but nothing there is about convictions, just speculation and "reports" by right wing think tanks. If they had the fucking evidence to successfully prosecute, they would. Our legal system says without a conviction, there is no guilt. So the take away is, there is no one guilty of voter fraud.
But that is besides the fucking point. Your response was about voters voting more than once, not about asshole right wingers lying about polling locations, which
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First ff, all your sources are crap. They are all know to be bad actors. Demonstrable bad actors. This is a partisan opinion, they are bad actors.
I feel I also need to point ot, having dead people on the polls isn't the same as having dead people vote.
To the point:
Yes, voter fraud exists.
Turns out many of those reported as being 'dead voters' aren't actually dead people.
https://ballotpedia.org/Votes_... [ballotpedia.org]
https://www.factcheck.org/2016... [factcheck.org]
and of course republican lie about it constantly.
Such as:
https://www.snop [snopes.com]
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Those aren't great sources.
I'm not disagreeing with you, and it's a real problem.
But it's important one, so good sources should be used.
Remember you are not just talking to that person, but everyone else who reads you post.
NYT, NPR, politico, usccr.
I know, we are dealing with people who will literally deny facts, and even video evidence, of anything the GOP does wrong.
These people are literally saying it's ok for the President to ignore congressional subpoenas,and blame Dems for witness issue even though
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People still use Google? I thought we all switched over to Duckduckgo or Qwant. Google censors its search, you know. Or you don't know? OK I'm informing you, they censor their search to elevate far-left sites so far they might as well be free ads and put anything to the right of Mao Zedong on page 138.
Use Qwant.com from now on. Get the real story. No wonder you get a distorted view, you know that's Google's entire idea by its censorship. Because censorship totally worked the last hundred times they
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Fuck off with this horse shit tangent. You aren't even trying. Stick to the topic or admit you can't refute it. Trying to claim that Google's search results are biased and you'll only accept search results from some other engines is the weakest deflection I've seen.
No, I am not going to follow your condescending directions. If you think those search engines will give you better results that can make your point, why in the everloving fuck do you not just do so? Do it. Go on your favored search engine and sho
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As I was saying before some snowflake paranoid, conspiracy theorist loon, pushing a false narrative, tried to silence the reality...
There's PLENTY OF EVIDENCE! ALL OF IT!
Evidence that he's a paranoid, conspiracy theorist loon, pushing a false narrative, that is.
You know... One of them people...
People who argue that [washingtonpost.com] Dumpeacho the clown is actually some guy called Louie. [google.com]
Oh, no...
He's gotta go.
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Well, they would because the platform depends on it, that said.
If they don't so what? once again it's their platform.
But you are just making up bullshit boogeymen.
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*pats you on the head*
terms are quite clear.
i hope you dont code. but what does it matter what you say, you post as a AC.
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Nah, dude, it's shitty fucking logic because the concept behind it is shitty. You are concern trolling, "What IF both sides do it, and then Pinterest only polices ONE side? Hmm? WHAT IF? It's no wonder you had to use fucked up indirection to attempt to illustrate your hypothetical scenario. You are fucking see through dude. Your motives and tactics are completely transparent.
Honestly, I suggest you slink off, unless you are the sort of masochist who enjoys public humiliation, or you are simply too dumb to u
Wait, no, this was not a flamebait! (Score:2)
I wrote it, as it is a very useful condensation on a whole host of knowledge learned from exploring this topic in maximum depth! I thought you'd find it useful!
Yes, it might be too much to handle for some people, but everything I said is true as far as I know and not written as an attack or trolling attempt on anyone.
That doesn't make a flamebait.
Seriously, WTF, moderators? Did you get triggered, or what?
P.S.: I know who had those mod points. (Score:2)
That insanely triggered Anonymous Coward there.
So nevermind, and ignore the above comment. That AC needs a therapy, or he'll end up as dog food for some manipulating asshole.
Re: "Facts are facts" ... if you are clueless. (Score:1)
Sorry, but that has been researched extensively.
I reacted like you too. Nobody likes to hear this.
But your emotional reaction and lack of arguments shows this was not a rational reaction, based on knowledge, but a trigger.
If you've calmed down, and grown some strength, go look it up.
Especially since the more you believe you can blindly trust all that you believe, the *easier* it is, to suggestively manipulate you. Your unwarranted confidence makes you blind.
And remember, I didn't say they are completely mad
Re: "Facts are facts" ... if you are clueless. (Score:2)
So you are telling me you know more about what I said, than I myself? Maybe go back and read it again. This time actually think about it too, for more than a few seconds.
And I already provided you with the reasoning for my statements. I'm not your teacher. I'm not gonna fill in 10 years of missing self-education for you. This is more than enough for a mature brain to find out the rest. Unless you don't WANT to, because you are clearly *insanely triggered*.
Please get a therapy. That kind of triggered rage an
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Re: Who is the arbiter (Score:1)
Kid let me introduce you to the world of "interpretation"!
Want an example? Pick any random line in the bible, or in the constitution. Have fun!
But.. but... the wording of the rules is unambiguous, you say?
Yeah, call me when you have determined what exactly people mean with the term "free will".
(Cause we have millennia of controversial laypeople discussions about if we have free will now, solely because nobody bothered to pin down what that actually means! Because everybody just assumes by default, that he k
Re: Who is the arbiter (Score:4, Insightful)
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WTF?
Voting rules are facts.
The bible contains no facts.
It's like you are saying Math proofs are no good because fortune cookies can be interpreted differently by different people.;
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This gets banned just like that Trump 2020 ascii AnonCow, Slashdot isn't covering the election this time around (like it did in 2000) so this is almost always offtopic, regulated to -1 by the mods, and really there's a need for some equal time ascii....
Re:Who is the arbiter (Score:5, Informative)
Seems pretty cut and dry to me; There are actual facts about voting and census-taking, and anything that is contrary to those facts is clearly misleading or a lie. I don't see any room for "complexity" here. There's no room for debate or differing opinion about what the laws actually say. Maybe you disagree about what the law should be, but nobody who is qualified to argue what the law actually is would be wasting their time posting on Pintrest about it.
People lie about what day to vote ("Republicans vote on Tuesday, Democrats on Wednesday"). People lie about being able to vote online/via text messages. People lie about how you will get arrested/deported if you fill out a census survey without being a citizen, or that it's legal to not fill out a census form sent to you. These are all lies that can, will and have been spread and they are very clearly lies with no ambiguity.
Maybe you can come up with some examples of what you think would be grey-area claims?
=Smidge=
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Well, ok THAT one I've seen a lot..it's a JOKE, that pretty much any reasonable voter in the US would know is a joke.
No one saying that actually expects someone to be misled about it and hold their vote till after Election Day.
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Yeah, that "Nothing is true, everyone lies" is bullshit propaganda designed to kill public discourse and shut down complaints about actual disinformation. It's a calculated ploy designed by authoritarians who want to destroy democracy. Don't spread that bullshit, m'kay bud?
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There are a lot of simple True/False issues that can be addressed.
There is verifiable truth out there. Eg Polling place is located at X. Some dude said it changed to Y. You ping the offical registry and you can verify that it is X not Y.
These are facts that can be proven or disproved.
If I say poling place has changed to Y it can be verified. If I gave false info, it is easy to point out and delete such message.
This is different from free speech where I can say On election day all people in party B shoul
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I'm just going to take a wild stab at this, but: whoever cares or is in charge?
Let's say we were talking about your website instead of theirs. Suppose you thought there was something incorrect on your website. Who would you expect to decide whether or not you want to keep it or remove it?
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"remove any content that misleads people about where, when or how to vote. "
So, just so you know, polling locations are verifiably available or not . . . as are hours.
Gravity is still gravity - the sudden stop is the arbiter.
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You got modded "-1 quit pointing a spotlight at the real issue!"
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Pinterest is. It's their platform. No different then a restaurant owner can throw you out if you stood up and start saying crap to the general customers.
Its literally not hard, at all
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Re:Who is the arbiter (Score:4)
Quoting some WND eh? That's some far-out shit right there.
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See - you're a denialist.
The core of that link was NOT WND.
The core of that link was Project Veritas. The fact of the matter is you're a left-wing denialist who immediately jumps a fallacy of false consensus to dismiss the link in general since WND does not fit your political leanings. Fine, ignore WND, look at the the Project Veritas angle, sort of hard to ignore them considering how well they document everything.
Congratulations - you are exactly the sort of person who proves the claims of those who supp
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Project Veritas was completely debunked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
O'Keef is a demonstrable liar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
come one, be a thinker. not an excuse maker.
WND is not a good source. It spreads lies. Intentionally.
I do not give a damn about you political leaning, but stop using bad sources.
"how well they document everything."
they edit to mislead and misinform. This has been demonstrated over and over again.
FFS, grow up.
Use actual good sources for you facts, and you should be embarras
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The "misleading" information I recall about project Veritas was they released two videos:
Here's the full and complete long boring one so we can be verified.
Here's one with just the juicy bits.
The opposition at large:
LOOK AT THE SECOND VIDEO!!!!!! IT'S EDITED!!!!!!! OMG LIARS!!!!!
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On a second note you're using WIKIPEDIA as an authority. Flush with left-wing crap, sits on top of a huge pile of money while pretending they won't be here next month if I don't contribute (more - I'm done with donating to them due to the garbage problems). It's so bad that Infogalactic came about just to release articles that weren't through a lefty-filter.
You failed to practice what you're telling me to do.
WND is what you're obsessed with, I knew the fact and did a search, WND turned up. The fact main-
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Maybe no one does, but if a targeted ad said that voting is on Wednesday (instead of Tuesday).
That would mislead a number of people.
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I actually thought you were crazy until I googled it.
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Maybe no one does, but if a targeted ad said that voting is on Wednesday (instead of Tuesday). That would mislead a number of people.
If you can be misled about what day to vote, based on a tweet or facebook post, then maybe you really shouldn't be voting after all. You are surely being misled in 10,000 other ways.
Re:Teaming up with government (Score:4)
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I'll just wing it.
If you didn't register nine months before the election you will not be allowed to vote.
If you didn't receive a voter registration card this year, but have registered in prior years, you are good to go.
You seriously couldn't think of anything?
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You should probably source that.,
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Where's Censorship? (Score:5, Insightful)
Neither Fox News on the right nor MSNBC on the left would tolerate such message neither in content nor advertising. The problem with user-supplied content and automatic ads is that these system need censors to keep the messages on point. This is as old as spam, but now it has moved to the web browsers. Seems like Pinterest needs to hire some more people in order to protect their site.
The Internet isn't the problem (Score:2)
"This is an Internet problem," said Aerica Shimizu Banks, Pinterest's lead for federal policy and social impact.
No, this is not an internet problem. This is a government problem and a societal problem. The issue with the census is that govt is forcibly collecting information about citizens it doesn't need for any reasonable purpose. Just the act of collecting that information creates a vulnerability; having that kind of information about citizens in a central location (no matter how secure) makes it a target for bad actors. The way to solve that problem is to not collect the information in the first place.
Misinfo
Re:The Internet isn't the problem (Score:5, Informative)
Just the act of collecting that information creates a vulnerability; having that kind of information about citizens in a central location (no matter how secure) makes it a target for bad actors. The way to solve that problem is to not collect the information in the first place.
Taking a census is Constitutionally mandated, and for good reason. At the most fundamental level, the census is required in order to determine Congressional representation, which in the case of the House, is determined by population. Beyond that, any government needs to know such critical information - the general makeup of it's citizenry. And collecting basic demographic information beyond a simple head-count has been challenged in the court and always found to be completely constitutional.
I took a quick peek at the questionnaire for the 2020 census, and the questions consist of: home status & occupation, name, sex, race/nationality/origin, and relationships between household members. You apparently consider the collection of such information some sort of privacy violation, but I don't think most people do.
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You apparently consider the collection of such information some sort of privacy violation, but I don't think most people do.
No, I don't. That information (the "short form") is perfectly understandable, and as you say, constitutionally mandated for good reason. However, it's not the information I had to provide as of the last census. I was one of the lucky people who received a "long form," and it contains quite a lot more than that. I was unclear in my original post; the collecting of information likely to be targeted by identity thieves, etc is what I have an issue with - and it's at least one reason census data would be target
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I agree that this information needs to be protected. I took a quick peek at the "long form" information (apparently, one in six households gets this), and it's definitely a bit more sensitive than what's on the short form. Perhaps nothing catastrophic if leaked for some people, but certainly information that should remain private. There's information about disabilities, work history, housing costs, and so on. I still think this is information the government needs in order to make informed policy decisio
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And collecting basic demographic information beyond a simple head-count has been challenged in the court and always found to be completely constitutional.
That's what a nanny state's job is to do, be damned with what you think.
You apparently consider the collection of such information some sort of privacy violation, but I don't think most people do.
That's exactly what a shill would say. Census information in the wrong hands is dangerous. Not only that, but prolific invasions of privacy beyond government control is in full effect today. It is only a matter of time before people are tricked into believing they are filling out census information, or that the person who says they are a census worker collecting information for the government (because you'd be warned not to hand over
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It is an internet problem, actually.
The more people see a thing, the more they are to trust it.
The more people listen to a group., the more likely they are to trust it.
The internet takes that vulnerability of the human brain and cranks it to 11.
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One fact about "voting" to rule them all: (Score:2)
If corporations choose a bunch of their lobbyists as candidates, that are all the same in their actual actions, and merely differ in what they promise you in their lies, and you "get to" choose between only those, because everyone else is Sanders'd,
then it's not you who does the voting.
The USA is a democracy. But its citizens are the corporations. And you and me, we are simply "human resources".
So...
[cut to commercial]
Celeb1: Vote
Celeb2: Vote
Celeb3: Vote!
lol
They had better include all media outlets (Score:4, Insightful)
Once you've encountered the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect [goodreads.com] a few dozen times, you start to assume that modern media is run by the lazy, the shiftless and the dishonest.
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In what way is evaluating the trustworthiness of journalism a modern problem?
I dislike Crichton's purported phenomenon because it presupposes that the reason an article or story is bad cannot simply be that the individual contributor or department was dishonest or inept without the entire organization being rotten. And it gives no credit that anyone might be treating all journalism as inherently suspect.
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Writing news isn't terribly difficult, so when news outlets repeatedly get basic facts wrong, there's either bias at work or massive ineptitude.
But you're right that this isn't a modern problem. Mass media has always been a flim-flam operation. In the past, even a small city might support two or three newspapers, so if one flim-flam newspaper rubbed you the wrong way, you could just buy the other one. The modern problem is that mass media has consolidated under a handful of corporations, so the flim-flam lo
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"Writing news isn't terribly difficult,"
I see my sig applies to you.
Please register ... (Score:2)
Ban gerrymandering (Score:3)
the count could be a key target for bad actors seeking to meddle with the U.S. democratic process
Yeah, right, what's the point of counting if the majority ends up being gerrymandered to insignificance ?!? That shit should be banned, its authors jailed. Just asked a mathematician for a a definition of a valid voting area and let the remaining politicians have at it.
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Would that be a democrat or republican mathematician?
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Removal is insufficient (Score:5, Interesting)
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It is kind of funny that Pinterest claims to be against misinformation. The site itself is search result lying clickbait.
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I don't think you understand what misinformation is, or what click bait is.
Interesting (Score:2)
Pinterest is cancer (Score:2)
Pinterest is a cancer that pollutes image search results. When you click through to the site, the image you saw in the search results never appears.
Of course, Google took away away the personal block list for search results because we wouldn't want to let a thing like good user experience keep them from ad revenue from clickbait sites.
Pinterest? (Score:2)
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Yes, and those are the places bad actors go after to spread disinformation.
Right now there is a company that has thousand of youtube channels. Most with a few 100 viewers discussion innocuous topics.
But has time goes on the slide to the right
Fact:
The more people see a thing, the more they trust it.
What you gain trust, you can slide people in a specific direction and they wont' even notice.
I am beginning think the internet is the "peter principle" for the brain. We've developed technology at our brains resp
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