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'Prism, Prism on the Wall, Who is the Most Trustworthy of Them All?' Huawei Hits Back at US Over 5G Security Claims (zdnet.com) 170

The tension between Huawei and the U.S. government took a new turn Tuesday after the Chinese networking giant's rotating chairman Guo Ping poked fun at the massive surveillance programs maintained by the United States. "Prism, prism on the wall, who's the most trustworthy of them all?" Ping said onstage at Mobile World Congress tradeshow. From a report: Ping first appeared to attempt to make light of the ongoing row -- "There has never been more interest in Huawei, we must be doing something right," he said -- but later took a more direct aim at the US and some of its own issues with cybersecurity and surveillance. "Prism, Prism on the wall, who is the most trustworthy of them all?" he said, referencing the previously secret National Security Agency surveillance project, telling the audience to ask Edward Snowden -- the whistleblower who revealed the activity -- if they didn't understand what he meant. Ping also took aim at the US Cloud Act, arguing that the legislation allows the US government to demand access data held by US companies, even if it is stored in different countries. "The Cloud Act allows them to access data cross-borders. So for best technology and for greater security, please choose Huawei," he said.
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'Prism, Prism on the Wall, Who is the Most Trustworthy of Them All?' Huawei Hits Back at US Over 5G Security Claims

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  • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

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    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:37PM (#58189330)

      The implication is that because NSA does data collection that somehow Huawei isn't an IP thief, fraud, espionage tentacle wholly owned by the Chinese Communist Party, an adversary that seeks military conflict with the US.

      As much as I was dismayed by PRISM (12 years ago when I first found out about it right?) I don't see how this addresses Huawei's frauds or thefts or espionage for China ongoing.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/second-huawei-employee-arrested-in-poland-on-suspicion-of-china-spying-2019-1

      It's also not just the USA that noticed.

      • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @12:56PM (#58189436)

        I am always assuming that I am being spied upon. However in America the first Amendment prevents me from being put in jail from my viewpoints, just as long as I am not using my speech intentionally hurt people. Also if content was released about me, that has only happened via my own government spying on me, then I have recourse against it. China doesn't have such advantages to its citizens.

        I am not saying what America is doing is good, or the right thing to do. But at least I have some power and rights from it.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Yet more people are incarcerated in the US than in China. Maybe you guys are just more criminally inclined.

          • by ranton ( 36917 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:29PM (#58189940)

            Not only is that false, as someone else pointed out, but even the nugget of truth there is misleading. The US doesn't incarcerate more people per capita because of government corruption or the silencing of dissidents. It is mostly because of dumb drug laws, harsh sentencing of actual criminals (arguably also dumb), lack of effort around rehabilitation, and income inequality / segregation.

            Total number of people in prison, or per capita figures, don't paint an accurate picture when comparing the US and Chinese governments. It is like comparing a poor starving person with someone on a diet. They may both be hungry but for very different reasons.

            • Don't forget the for profit prisons, where under the 13th amendment you can force people to work for free. More often than not these are minorities.

              Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

          • Just who is "You guys". Remember, the USA is a nation of immigrants; both legal and illegal. Due to that, the US will always have more issues than other countries with mostly homogeneous populations.
          • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

            Only because there is no point to imprisoning dead people.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Exactly, these points are overlooked. As much as we are shocked by the scope or scale of the collection, WHAT IT IS USED FOR is the key. In China such data is used to disappear dissidents, undesirable ethnicities, journalists, etc.

          ONE MILLION UIGHURS IN CHINESE PRISONS. The Chief of INTERPOL for chrissake was arrested and secretly detained for MONTHS without being charged. These are common daily occurrences in China.

          Now of course there can be a "whattabout the baby cages" argument related to US (Trump a

          • by hackingbear ( 988354 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:53PM (#58190360)

            WHAT IT IS USED FOR is the key

            Yeah, like these [rt.com] usages [thelocal.de] are entirely acceptable, since they are done by the GREATEST NATION on earth.

            ONE MILLION UIGHURS IN CHINESE PRISONS.

            Wow, what a change of heart for Americans! We are suddenly having real empathy about Muslims, as long as they are not being locked up in Guantanamo [nytimes.com].

            The Chief of INTERPOL for chrissake was arrested and secretly detained for MONTHS without being charged.

            Wow, another change of heart for a top Chinese security official [wikipedia.org] who supposedly have done, well because he was the top police chief, all the political crimes such as "disappear dissidents, undesirable ethnicities, journalists, etc."

          • If there were one million chinese being held in prisons it would be visible from space.

            Oh.

            Wait.

        • You have no re-course against the spying. Re-course is not inter-course. Being screwed does not help, aid, or fight anything.

        • However in America the first Amendment prevents me from being put in jail from my viewpoints

          But in China being in America prevents you from jail as well as so much more. If you're afraid of a foreign government more than your own because of a several centuries old piece of paper then you're doing something very wrong.

          Remember Huawei isn't being banned in China.

      • Just because they may or may not have stolen technology, doesn't mean their products will spy on you.

      • The USA stole IP. They spy on everyone and, unlike China, worldwide. And there's no difference between claiming China owns a company and the USA where the government does what the government wants. The USA government and USA corporations are identical creatures, just as with your claim about china.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        China, as big as it is, doesn't throw nearly as much at their military ($200 billion a year vs $700 billion). You don't hear them going all over the world starting fights to make their weapon CEOs stupid rich.

        The US is the only one that wants to start shit. and if you don't think that other companies are poaching people for the whole purpose of seeing what they're doing in the other company? lol

      • by Anonymous Coward

        They stole 5G tech from who? Are they ahead of anyone else in that space?

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        an adversary that seeks military conflict with the US

        Does it fuck. Where's the slightest shred of evidence for that?

        They don't shy away from risking military conflict with the US but refusing to be bullied isn't seeking conflict.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html

  • I sure hope the (US) politicians can potentially learn from this. On so many levels, this is what they created in their ignorance and arrogance. DiFi, you are the worst on this... it is your own constituents you have hurt.

  • The US government AND Huawei AND china have one thing in common:

    THEY ALL SUCK!

  • by plague911 ( 1292006 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @01:12PM (#58189536)
    Ive said this before and will likely have to say it again. If you use American tech, the Americans have access to your data. If you use Russian tech, the Americans and the Russians have access to your data. If you use Chinese tech the Americans, Russians, Chinese and everyones pet gerbil has access to your data. Its comical to live in a fantasy world where there is privacy. The only choice you have is who has access to your data.
    • I actually prefer everyone having access. Then they can squabble about who is right.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Judging by the rate at which the US loses control of cyberweapons, leaks exploits and has its backdoors discovered and exploited in the wild, I'd say buying US hardware means everyone has access too.

      The bottom line is you are doing it wrong anyway, if you need to absolutely trust all your hardware.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Russia and China are smart, their interesting data is not kept as plain text online.
      • There was a story a few years back about some rather secretive Russian organizations that had to go back to typewriters because the U.S. had completely owned any kind of multimedia based communications systems. From the language used in the reports I read this implied Russian made PCs, private phone lines, to low tech like projector screens were all compromised.
    • by jezwel ( 2451108 )
      Right now the most logical reason to me is that 5 Eyes do not have (enough) backdoor access to Huawei gear, hence the aggressive campaign against the company by these countries.
  • Which Chicom insider stole it all?

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