'Prism, Prism on the Wall, Who is the Most Trustworthy of Them All?' Huawei Hits Back at US Over 5G Security Claims (zdnet.com) 170
The tension between Huawei and the U.S. government took a new turn Tuesday after the Chinese networking giant's rotating chairman Guo Ping poked fun at the massive surveillance programs maintained by the United States. "Prism, prism on the wall, who's the most trustworthy of them all?" Ping said onstage at Mobile World Congress tradeshow. From a report: Ping first appeared to attempt to make light of the ongoing row -- "There has never been more interest in Huawei, we must be doing something right," he said -- but later took a more direct aim at the US and some of its own issues with cybersecurity and surveillance. "Prism, Prism on the wall, who is the most trustworthy of them all?" he said, referencing the previously secret National Security Agency surveillance project, telling the audience to ask Edward Snowden -- the whistleblower who revealed the activity -- if they didn't understand what he meant. Ping also took aim at the US Cloud Act, arguing that the legislation allows the US government to demand access data held by US companies, even if it is stored in different countries. "The Cloud Act allows them to access data cross-borders. So for best technology and for greater security, please choose Huawei," he said.
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Re:PSA for Americans and others (Score:5, Insightful)
The implication is that because NSA does data collection that somehow Huawei isn't an IP thief, fraud, espionage tentacle wholly owned by the Chinese Communist Party, an adversary that seeks military conflict with the US.
As much as I was dismayed by PRISM (12 years ago when I first found out about it right?) I don't see how this addresses Huawei's frauds or thefts or espionage for China ongoing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/second-huawei-employee-arrested-in-poland-on-suspicion-of-china-spying-2019-1
It's also not just the USA that noticed.
Re:PSA for Americans and others (Score:5, Insightful)
I am always assuming that I am being spied upon. However in America the first Amendment prevents me from being put in jail from my viewpoints, just as long as I am not using my speech intentionally hurt people. Also if content was released about me, that has only happened via my own government spying on me, then I have recourse against it. China doesn't have such advantages to its citizens.
I am not saying what America is doing is good, or the right thing to do. But at least I have some power and rights from it.
Re: PSA for Americans and others (Score:2, Informative)
Yet more people are incarcerated in the US than in China. Maybe you guys are just more criminally inclined.
Re: PSA for Americans and others (Score:4, Informative)
There are well over 1 million ethnic Uighurs being detained for no actual crime in China.
Most estimates are that there are less than a million detained in the Xinjiang camps.
America incarcerates over 2 million people, roughly four times as many as China per capita. Many are in pre-trial confinement, having been convicted of nothing. Many others are in prison based on plea bargains rather than evidence. America has one of the world's highest false conviction rates.
There is plenty to criticize about China's prison system. There is much more to criticize about America's.
Re: PSA for Americans and others (Score:5, Interesting)
There's more to criticize about the US' prison system!?
China is a country that regularly disappears people and is currently trying to break a minority population through mass incarceration for reasons no civilized country would prosecute some one for.
On top of that, China's system lacks so much transparency we have to go with international estimates on what's going on with their prison system.
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There's more to criticize about the US' prison system!?
The bottom line is that an American is four times more likely to be incarcerated than a Chinese citizen.
If you are rotting in prison, the fact that America's system is transparently unjust, so everyone knows about the high false conviction rate, and the defects of our plea bargain based courts, doesn't really mean much, so long as people don't care about the injustice.
So who doesn't care? Apparently you, since you would prefer to point to the other side of the world than address bigger problems here at hom
You're a lying punkass apologist Bill bottom line. (Score:2)
The bottom line is that you lied and claimed that the Chinese prison system is knowable to outsiders and the legal system is comparable to the US, where innocence until proven guilt w/ lawyers, evidence is the norm.
The bottom line is you lied about blood plasma being sterile more than anyone could count, so convinced your lying ass was right, even though it's 100% false.
The bottom line is the UN says there are credible reports of well over 1 million Uighurs (no mention of other groups, that's just 1) in SEC
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You're an apologist coward, Bill. You belong in a Chinese prison, bottom line.
Actually, he might be an employee just doing his job as directed. The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
Yeah, America jails too many people. This was the result of three major things. Thig one was the "get tough on crime" movement, the victim's right's movement, and the for profit prison system. All were intertwined.
The biggest problem of making the prison system a profit center is that like all corporate entities, you have to mak
Re:You're a lying punkass apologist Bill bottom li (Score:4)
The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
I never said any such thing.
The fact that innocent people in China are unjustly imprisoned is wrong.
The fact that innocent people in America are unjustly imprisoned is also wrong.
By pointing out that America is proportionally worse, I am not in any way justifying China's behavior.
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The logic that it is okay to jail only a million people without trial because 'Murrica bad! is just ludicrous.
I never said any such thing.
The fact that innocent people in China are unjustly imprisoned is wrong.
The fact that innocent people in America are unjustly imprisoned is also wrong.
By pointing out that America is proportionally worse, I am not in any way justifying China's behavior.
Tell us why it is porportionally worse. What is the execution rate in China? Are their prisoners treated well? Are they given trials? Are they imprisoned for opinions?Tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that you would rather be jailed in China than in the USA. You made your claim twice, support it.
Putting words in my mouth? Classy. (Score:5, Interesting)
"The bottom line is that an American is four times more likely to be incarcerated than a Chinese citizen."
I don't really feel that's the bottom line. I feel like the bottom line is that in this country we have guaranteed rights. They might not function as well as they should but they're a hell of a lot better than what a Chinese person has. When Americans are regularly made to disappear by the government for minor infractions or simply because of things they say, get back to me.
"If you are rotting in prison, the fact that America's system is transparently unjust, so everyone knows about the high false conviction rate, and the defects of our plea bargain based courts, doesn't really mean much, so long as people don't care about the injustice."
So a fucked system that is transparent is worse than a fucked one that isn't? You're not making sense here.
"So who doesn't care? Apparently you, since you would prefer to point to the other side of the world than address bigger problems here at home that we have the collective power to fix."
If you can't make a sound argument based on what some one has said then put words in their mouth! Good work!
How does me thinking the Chinese prison system is more fucked than ours mean that I don't think we should be working on our own? You're full of it.
Re:Putting words in my mouth? Classy. (Score:5, Insightful)
I feel like the bottom line is that in this country we have guaranteed rights.
Rights that are guaranteed in theory but ignored in practice don't mean much.
Americans have a "right" to a speedy jury trial, and a fair hearing of the evidence. In practice, they are presented with a choice between copping a plea, or facing trumped up charges and a ruinously expensive prosecution that will bankrupt them even if innocent.
they're a hell of a lot better than what a Chinese person has.
Yet the American is four times more likely to end up in prison.
Re:Putting words in my mouth? Classy. (Score:4, Insightful)
Believe it or not you have guaranteed rights in China too. It's just that like the US, in practice they are abused anyway.
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" When Americans are regularly made to disappear by the government for minor infractions or simply because of things they say, get back to me."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Malcolm X. Oh they tried to blame that one on Islam, too.
Edward Snowden had to go into hiding on foreign soil.
People die in prisons while waiting for a trial, all for something like a joint or a DUI.
Directly or indirectly, the USA has killed a lot of its own citizens for relatively minor shit, so you need to open your eyes and get your head out
Re:Putting words in my mouth? Classy. (Score:4, Insightful)
" In practice, they are presented with a choice between copping a plea, or facing trumped up charges and a ruinously expensive prosecution that will bankrupt them even if innocent."
And yet they are still allowed a trial and legal council provided by the state. Meanwhile in China, if a Chinese person is lucky enough to even get a proper trial it is far less likely to be what anyone would call "fair". It's widely known that the verdict in high profile court cases in China is typically determined prior to trial. The trial is just for show. Likewise, I find it highly unlikely a person made to "disappear", like all of those Uighers, get anything close to the rights an American gets prior to sentencing.
You keep going on about the flaws in our system but how are any of them worse than being made to disappear by your government? Your family and friends have no idea where you are or if you're even alive. And good luck getting any kind of proper legal council as they've already decided you're guilty, that's why you've been made to disappear.
In the US, we have dysfunctional rights. In China, they are at the continued mercy of the state
"Yet the American is four times more likely to end up in prison."
Yet we have rights. Yet everyone is entitled to a trial no matter how dysfunctional that system is. Yet we legally can't be detained in this country with out proper cause and we actually have a proper means of combating illegal imprisonment.
I mean, where's the Chinese ACLU to help all those people who get disappeared? Probably all in prison...
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Believe it or not you have guaranteed rights in China too.
True, but the rights are different. China's judiciary is not independent. A judge can be ordered by party leaders to find someone guilty. A prosecution like that of Bo Xilai [wikipedia.org] would not happen in America.
It's just that like the US, in practice they are abused anyway.
Indeed.
America's system is better for rich people, powerful people, and guilty people.
China's system is better for innocent people.
In America, expensive lawyers can get you off, and you can exclude evidence on technicalities.
For innocent people, America is one of the worst countries. We have one of the wo
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You don't know what you're talking about. In Chinese courts the defense lawyer serves the court, not the client. That's IF they actually FACE ACTUAL CHARGES, rather than just being summarily executed / tortured / labor camp'ed.
None of that is reported. Comparisons between that and the US system IS FOR DISHONEST FAGGOTS CAUGHT MANY TIMES MAKING SIMILAR LIES AND EXCUSES FOR CHINA.
YOU have, AmiJoJo
Your comment history proves you are willing to lie REGULARLY on this topic. This is your come to Jesus moment
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Sure they have "rights". The thing is that they are so routinely violated that they might as well not exist. Meanwhile in the US, you actually have a chance at recourse if your rights are violated. Your lawyer won't even get arrested for taking your case.
You can talk to me about how much worse America's justice system is than China's when Americans are routinely made to disapear by our government. Until then, you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Just like "blood plasma is sterile" and thus has no health risks associated, Bill swears that's a fact 6 ways to Sunday. Turns out, no, he lied. A lot of times. No admission, no acknowledgement of it. He runs from it.
Fucking pieces of shit like Bill stick to cheap Chinese shoes all day long and nobody bothers to wipe it off, well it's a new day, Bill. No more lying you punkass.
You are being corrected on the merits.
Fact : you don't know how many people are in Chinese prisons, they do not report that.
Sto
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"China's system is better for innocent people."
China's system is better from innocent people!? You've had multiple people point out the Uigher situation in China to you and yet you're claiming China's legal system is better for innocent people!?
Re:Putting words in my mouth? Classy. (Score:4, Informative)
The judiciary in the US isn't independent either. At the top you have the politically appointed Supreme Court, and further down judges and prosecutors are elected and thus subject to the influence of both voters and money.
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And yet they are still allowed a trial and legal council provided by the state.
Most defendants are coerced out of going to trial. An American defendant who can afford a private attorney is twice as likely to avoid incarceration as a defendant relying on a public defender. "Rights for the Rich" is hardly a fair system. China's courts have many defects, but being poor is much less of a disadvantage there.
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You've had multiple people point out the Uigher situation in China to you and yet you're claiming China's legal system is better for innocent people!?
You are making the fallacious argument that "China is bad, therefore China is worse". That is not a logical conclusion.
Americans, and especially innocent Americans, are more likely to be unjustly imprisoned even when accounting for the Xinjiang camps.
China's justice system is bad. No question about it.
America's justice system is worse.
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At the top you have the politically appointed Supreme Court
The Supremes are appointed, but once on the court, they are completely independent, and nobody can order them to do anything.
and further down judges and prosecutors are elected and thus subject to the influence of both voters and money.
Elected judges are a bad idea. No argument from me about that.
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A fix for this would be a punishment if you are convicted but lied about being innocent.
America already punishes people for exercising their constitutional right to a fair trial.
That is exactly what plea deals are. Plead guilty, get a lighter sentence. Demand the right to challenge the evidence against you, get a harsher sentence.
Ergo, the "right" to a fair trial no longer exists in practice.
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We already have that. People found guilty at trial typically do more time than people who plead guilty.
However, everyone, even guilty people have the right to a fair trial. Are you saying that the problem is that people exercise their rights?
The problem is that we think every damned little thing calls for putting people in a cage. And to make sure people plead guilty, we insist on putting them in a cage before they even get their trial (so much for innocent until proven guilty) even though we have technolog
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"You are making the fallacious argument that "China is bad, therefore China is worse". That is not a logical conclusion."
No I'm not, I've literally pointed out what is worse about the Chinese justice system multiple times to you in multiple posts. In fact, this is a perfect case of the pot calling the kettle black as what you are doing is in fact what you are claiming I am doing.
This is the second time in this thread that you have falsely miss-characterized what I have been saying.
"Americans, and especially
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"The judiciary in the US isn't independent either."
It is. It's one of our three branches of government.
At the top you have the politically appointed Supreme Court
Supreme Court judges can rule how ever they want and answer to no one. That is independence.
"and further down judges and prosecutors are elected and thus subject to the influence of both voters and money."
Did you really think I meant independent of everything? Nothing is in this world. Obviously I meant independent of the rest of government.
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Innocent people don't regularly accept Plea Bargains.
Yes they do:
Plea bargaining and the innocent [themarshallproject.org]
Innocent people are pleading guilty [forbes.com]
Innocence is irrelevant [theatlantic.com]
Why innocent people plead guilty [nybooks.com]
How to convince an innocent client to plead guilty [washingtonpost.com]
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If you actually paid attention to the world, you'd find that lots of people get arrested who haven't done anything.
An arrest does not require a conviction. At best, it's a matter of probable cause; at worst, it's a matter of who a police officer takes a dislike to. Once in jail, how soon you get out depends largely on how much money you have. If the bail is set at $1000, say, you can hand over $1K of your money to the system and get it back when you show up in court, or you can pay $100 to a bail bond
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China is a country that regularly disappears people
This. So much this. A friend of mine who has been living in China (note the tense; they're leaving) was telling me a few weeks back about how a German national they know suddenly disappeared.
As my friend eventually came to find out, without having ever been approached or questioned before, this German was kidnapped off the street, taken to an interrogation room, told to unlock his phone, and required to hand over all of his contacts' information. When he did all of that they started demanding information th
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"China is a country that regularly disappears people"
THE USA FUCKING BOMBS ITS OWN PEOPLE ON ITS OWN NATIVE SOIL.
Fuck your caps filter, SLASHSHIT. All caps was how code and text was originally displayed.
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Comparing one province's reeducation camps to the total prison population in another country which has no reeducation camps.
Good job ShanghaiBill, you certainly are earning your pay on the forums today.
The UN says 1 million is credible. You are not. (Score:2, Informative)
Given that you lied about such things as blood plasma, I'll go with the UN. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un/u-n-says-it-has-credible-reports-that-china-holds-million-uighurs-in-secret-camps-idUSKBN1KV1SU
U.N. has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps
Re: PSA for Americans and others (Score:4, Insightful)
There are well over 1 million ethnic Uighurs being detained for no actual crime in China.
Most estimates are that there are less than a million detained in the Xinjiang camps.
This is not correct. There are some estimates that are less than one million. Most are at least one million. Several are several million. But, of course, these estimates don't really matter. Would attitudes or policy change if the real number were 950,000 instead of 2 million?
America incarcerates over 2 million people, roughly four times as many as China per capita. Many are in pre-trial confinement, having been convicted of nothing. Many others are in prison based on plea bargains rather than evidence. America has one of the world's highest false conviction rates.
There is plenty to criticize about China's prison system. There is much more to criticize about America's.
Comparing the American justice system to the Chinese system is really hard, mainly due to the extreme opacity of the Chinese system. Yes, some of the per capita numbers for China are somewhat lower due to the big denominator. However, there are several significant factors that would favor facing the US system instead of the Chinese system:
(1) Many laws in China would be considered to be unacceptable by most Americans. For example, texting or posting offensive words like Tibet, Taiwan, or Winne the Pooh. Criticizing the president, his party, and existing laws. Possessing a beard or a Koran at home. Arguing certain viewpoints on Slashdot. The concept of "law" in China is very different in China, and most Americans would find it unacceptable.
(2) The judicial system in China does not protect the rights of the accused. Extra-judicial punishments, no effective right of appeal or even representation, no due process, no limits on cruel and unusual punishments.
On paper, China is the world's largest democracy and an exemplary protector of the rights of the people. In reality, the application of law in China is far inferior to the US system. This is not to say that the US system is great, good, or even satisfactory. It's only to show how truly bad the China system is.
Americans can banter about the philosophical differences between US and Chinese surveillance and law because they have the first-world problem of stating whatever they want within the insulating cocoon of American rights. Where are the corresponding Chinese discussions of Chinese surveillance and law? I'll give you a hint. It's not because the Chinese system is so perfect that there's nothing to criticize.
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It's pretty obvious that the number isn't SEVERAL million. There's only 10M Uighurs in China. You are saying that half are in camps?
Perhaps some of those laws would not be favored in the US, but the US population in general distrusts any form of government due to its history. China is more akin with continental Europe, who likely doesn't distrust the government as much.
And you got to be joking that just posting Tibet or Taiwan, or Winnie the Pooh would get you jail time in China. You think literally no
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While China's legal system is not independent, it does not mean ordinary people are not protected most of the time. See the various positive and negative answers to this Quora question [quora.com]. In particular. the biggest problem was that local government, which typically has conflict of interests or even corruption, controlled the local court; since Xi got in power, the legal system has been reorganized to be managed by the upper judicial layers instead of the government at the same locality.
It is like that one can
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While China's legal system is not independent, it does not mean ordinary people are not protected most of the time
This is actually true most of the time for most of the people. However, a large part of the reason it's true is that most of the people have enough sense to self-censor to avoid problems with the government. This type of self-censorship doesn't exist in the US and most western countries.
And finally, it is unclear why this discussion of foreign country spy or surveillance (by China) accusations have much to do with the human rights or democracy situations in China. But the US, which is supposedly/on paper a democracy respecting human rights, is still spying around the world. So whether China respects human rights or is a democracy has nothing to do with whether China will spy or not. Apparently, the actual accusations don't hold any water and American nationalists have to divert the focus.
The reason why surveillance and human rights is pertinent to this discussion is that surveillance by the US government on its own citizens is not used to control political speech and such surveillance never results in puni
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The censorship issue in China is also exaggerated. For one, political topic is the one being censored. ordinary people have little interests in politics and need to talk about politics much. Most other discussions are allowed and quite open. Follow the actual news from real Chinese news site, you can read a lot of criticism on the various levels of government on variety of topics. Also read Quora on many of the answers on Chinese censorships and other Chinese issues; those give you a lot of in-depth analysi
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The censorship issue in China is also exaggerated. For one, political topic is the one being censored. ordinary people have little interests in politics and need to talk about politics much. Most other discussions are allowed and quite open. Follow the actual news from real Chinese news site, you can read a lot of criticism on the various levels of government on variety of topics. Also read Quora on many of the answers on Chinese censorships and other Chinese issues; those give you a lot of in-depth analysis than most of the western outlet shows you.
While it's somewhat true that Chinese are culturally more prone to focus on economics and food than politics, it is not true that cultural Chinese do not discuss politics or do not passionately want to push for political change. Take a look at the difference between Hong Kong and Taiwan versus China. In Hong Kong and Taiwan, there is a very significant vocal portion of the population that openly criticizes and calls for changes in the current government. This does not exist in China except for those poli
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Most estimates are that there are less than a million detained in the Xinjiang camps.
Well then, all is well, and China wins the humanitarian award for this year! Only a million detained for no actual crime. That's just the noise floor.
You are an intelligent guy - But this is the dumbest thing you've ever written. What's your spin on the 1959 Cultural revolution famine?
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"Most estimates are that there are less than a million detained in the Xinjiang camps."
So, 999,990?
That the OP's numbers are off a bit doesn't change the fact that there is a large number of people imprisoned for no other reason than their ethnicity.
I notice that many of the comments made in response to yours are talking about the US prison system instead of the imprisoned Uighurs.
Nice redirect. Well played, indeed well played.
Re: PSA for Americans and others (Score:5, Insightful)
Not only is that false, as someone else pointed out, but even the nugget of truth there is misleading. The US doesn't incarcerate more people per capita because of government corruption or the silencing of dissidents. It is mostly because of dumb drug laws, harsh sentencing of actual criminals (arguably also dumb), lack of effort around rehabilitation, and income inequality / segregation.
Total number of people in prison, or per capita figures, don't paint an accurate picture when comparing the US and Chinese governments. It is like comparing a poor starving person with someone on a diet. They may both be hungry but for very different reasons.
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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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Only because there is no point to imprisoning dead people.
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Exactly, these points are overlooked. As much as we are shocked by the scope or scale of the collection, WHAT IT IS USED FOR is the key. In China such data is used to disappear dissidents, undesirable ethnicities, journalists, etc.
ONE MILLION UIGHURS IN CHINESE PRISONS. The Chief of INTERPOL for chrissake was arrested and secretly detained for MONTHS without being charged. These are common daily occurrences in China.
Now of course there can be a "whattabout the baby cages" argument related to US (Trump a
Re:PSA for Americans and others (Score:5, Interesting)
WHAT IT IS USED FOR is the key
Yeah, like these [rt.com] usages [thelocal.de] are entirely acceptable, since they are done by the GREATEST NATION on earth.
ONE MILLION UIGHURS IN CHINESE PRISONS.
Wow, what a change of heart for Americans! We are suddenly having real empathy about Muslims, as long as they are not being locked up in Guantanamo [nytimes.com].
The Chief of INTERPOL for chrissake was arrested and secretly detained for MONTHS without being charged.
Wow, another change of heart for a top Chinese security official [wikipedia.org] who supposedly have done, well because he was the top police chief, all the political crimes such as "disappear dissidents, undesirable ethnicities, journalists, etc."
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If there were one million chinese being held in prisons it would be visible from space.
Oh.
Wait.
That is not re-course. (Score:2)
You have no re-course against the spying. Re-course is not inter-course. Being screwed does not help, aid, or fight anything.
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However in America the first Amendment prevents me from being put in jail from my viewpoints
But in China being in America prevents you from jail as well as so much more. If you're afraid of a foreign government more than your own because of a several centuries old piece of paper then you're doing something very wrong.
Remember Huawei isn't being banned in China.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri - don't lie casually - you will be caught and convicted of it.
Ab amzah al-Mar – literally, the Egyptian father of Hamza), the Hook Hand or simply Abu Hamza, is an Egyptian cleric who was the imam of Finsbury Park Mosque in London, England, *** --- where he preached Islamic fundamentalism and militant Islamism. --- ***
In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged
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Just because they may or may not have stolen technology, doesn't mean their products will spy on you.
The implication being the USA is projecting (Score:1)
The USA stole IP. They spy on everyone and, unlike China, worldwide. And there's no difference between claiming China owns a company and the USA where the government does what the government wants. The USA government and USA corporations are identical creatures, just as with your claim about china.
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China, as big as it is, doesn't throw nearly as much at their military ($200 billion a year vs $700 billion). You don't hear them going all over the world starting fights to make their weapon CEOs stupid rich.
The US is the only one that wants to start shit. and if you don't think that other companies are poaching people for the whole purpose of seeing what they're doing in the other company? lol
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They stole 5G tech from who? Are they ahead of anyone else in that space?
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an adversary that seeks military conflict with the US
Does it fuck. Where's the slightest shred of evidence for that?
They don't shy away from risking military conflict with the US but refusing to be bullied isn't seeking conflict.
Know the facts. (Score:1)
https://www.networkworld.com/article/2223272/60-minutes-torpedoes-huawei-in-less-than-15-minutes.html
If only politicians could read (Score:2)
I sure hope the (US) politicians can potentially learn from this. On so many levels, this is what they created in their ignorance and arrogance. DiFi, you are the worst on this... it is your own constituents you have hurt.
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My comment regarding DiFi is because she is the only sitting congressperson that I have personally written a letter to on the topic and received a response that completely ignored the issue. (I did get a well reasoned response from Barbara Boxer, and Nancy Pelosi said something that was mildly on-topic and relevant.)
Now, magnitude of potential compromise... not sure it really matters any more. A hole is a hole. We don't know if it is mischief or accidental.
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You no talk smack on China. Irregal! (Score:2)
The truth (Score:2)
The US government AND Huawei AND china have one thing in common:
THEY ALL SUCK!
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It is not much different in the US. [bbc.com]. The owners of the large corporations set the government agenda and policies, and the public at large has no influence over it.
Everyone has access (Score:5, Interesting)
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I actually prefer everyone having access. Then they can squabble about who is right.
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Judging by the rate at which the US loses control of cyberweapons, leaks exploits and has its backdoors discovered and exploited in the wild, I'd say buying US hardware means everyone has access too.
The bottom line is you are doing it wrong anyway, if you need to absolutely trust all your hardware.
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Nortell Nortell on the Wall (Score:2)
Which Chicom insider stole it all?
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