President Trump Wants US To Win 5G Through Real Competition (bbc.com) 129
hackingbear writes: In a tweet, President Trump said he wanted "5G, and even 6G, technology in the United States as soon as possible. I want the United States to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies. American companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind." While he did not specifically mention China's Huawei, many interpreted the comments as Mr Trump taking a softer stance on the firm. The U.S. has been pressuring allies to block out the Chinese telecom giant from their future 5G mobile networks, but the tactic meets considerable resistance. "Mr. President. I cannot agree with you more. Our company is always ready to help build the real 5G network in the U.S., through competition," Huawei President Ken Hu replied in a tweet, mocking Trump's frequent usages of the word "real." Huawei is the second biggest holder of 5G patents after Samsung and the top contributor to the 5G standard, and is setting its sight on 6G.
Fix it in software (Score:3, Funny)
I thought 5G was just a software update. This is just fake news because everyone is jealous that AT&T are the only people investing in making 5G a reality and were the first to do so.
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It makes sense to deploy 5G in very densely populated areas. Big city centers etc. Much like it makes sense to deploy high quality 4G/LTE where there is sufficient customer base etc.
Re:Fix it in software (Score:4, Funny)
Fuck everything [theonion.com], we're doing 7G.
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My G goes to 11.
Phonetards (Score:1, Insightful)
Oh great, phonetards are getting high-speed conduits to share their retardation even faster than usual.
We need phone/desktop apartheid, segregate the phonetards from the enlightened desktop master race.
Re: Phonetards (Score:1)
Do you masturbate when you write this nonsense?
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It was Chinese shill hackingbear did you expect any less?
does this one go to 11G? (Score:3)
Only 6G? fuck it, let's do 7G [theonion.com]
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Real competition? Trump? (Score:2, Insightful)
Does he even understand what that word means?
Re: Real competition? Trump? (Score:2, Informative)
It's not progressives who are at fault for the hypocrisy, corruption, and fraud of the blatantly selfish right-wing fools.
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I find it fascinating that you Trump-fanatics never have any good arguments _for_ your choices, only the usual, invalid "the others are worse".
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You mean people made a grave mistake and are now trying to push the blame for that on somebody else? Makes sense to me.
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Nope, he thinks it means borrowing a whole lot of money [google.com] to try and crush the competition then declaring bankruptcy and not paying the contractors what you owe when you finally figure out that it's not sustainable because you're not "competing", you're "subsidizing".
Leave other people to pay the bills and pick up the pieces.
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Wait, but the left loves it's tech startups that do the same thing?
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They're not doing it with taxpayer money.
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Maybe it wasn't the search that's informative. It's the pointing out of where the "jobs" being created by Trump are really coming from - he's buying them with tax money.
(and taking the sort of gamble that's already lead him to six bankruptcies in the past).
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Does he even understand what that word means?
Yes.
He means something different though.
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Remember the adage of the broken clock. "Even a broken clock is right two times a day". I am by no means a Trump Supporter, I find this man to be to be the embodiment of evil, as his views and actions tend goes against everything that I have learned to be right and moral. However to stop myself from being angry and bitter all the time, I will have to ask myself what is my view on this particular issue, and how would I solve it, with the information I currently have at hand about it... And sometimes Trump
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Per capita, China is #3.
1.5 billion chinamen can't be wrong!
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Do you have some citation for China's per capita CO2 emissions?
While your right about all those Chinese adding up to number 1 in total, the figures I find put the US about #12 with twice the per capita emissions of China. Places like Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are top per capita producers.
Most of what I find is a bit old, such as Wiki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] only going to 2011 though I don't think the US has dropped much since. This, https://knoema.com/atlas/China... [knoema.com] claims 7.45 tonnes per c
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By country, Union of Concerned Scientists puts China at #1. https://www.ucsusa.org/global-... [ucsusa.org]
Leaving out the Araby, USA comes in #2 per capita for CO2, behind Australia, according to Wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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American delusion. China used to be a purely copy-paste tech nation, but if you hadn't noticed, they've been producing more and more original tech over the past years.
And before that it was Japan, who shamelessly copied western goods and sold them cheaper. Until eventually they made better cameras and cars.
Before that it was the US, ignoring copyright and patents until they became leaders instead of followers.
China's caught up with us.
Meh ... getting there. A way to go yet. Taiwan and Korea are more caught up.
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One commonality I have found with Trump, and Chinese culture, is the need to "Win". I found the need to Win, to be inevitably counter productive. To Win at something you have a clear single objective, you work to get that objective better or faster then someone else, then you win. However what you do to get to that objective may sabotage other objectives you may want to peruse later on.
That kid who cheated to win the game. Is no longer invited to pay again.
A country who has wasted all their resources t
That's rich. (Score:2, Insightful)
As though Trump would know anything about competition.
He only won his "competition" with Russians stepping up their social engineering techniques on a gullible public, and the GOP blocking votes from being being counted in congressional races.
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That's competition!
Just like marks are "citizens", respect for the rule of law is "the unhinged, violent left", lining up to apply for asylum is "illegal rapists and murderers", Nazis is "good people", and tax cuts for the top one percent are "for the middle class".
That's GOP cant.
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Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago but you still seem intent on reliving it. Move on, come up to speed, cook with gas. "Sure my guy is a dolt, but that Hillary...whoa!!".
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Yep.
So, do YOU realize that what you're responding to was responding to someone who brought up the election. You know, the one where Trump and Hillary were running against each other?
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Again with the Hillary issues...you do realize the election was two years ago but you still seem intent on reliving it. Move on, come up to speed, cook with gas. "Sure my guy is a dolt, but that Hillary...whoa!!".
Hey - they are still pissed off about Franklin D Roosevelt. So my guess is they'll be able to to raise their blood pressure about ol' Hellery for another 50 years or so.
It's just what they do as opposed to solutions.
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Hillary and bubba were both solidly behind war in Iraq. One of the things that Trump supporters believed, erroneously of course, was that Trump would avoid needless wars. They believed it because he broke from the pack and actually called out specific politicians for that behavior, the Clintons among them. Of course, that was a lot of crap. I criticized Obama for drone strikes... Which have increased under Trump. And we're still in Iraq. And anyone who believed that he'd back off from those policies is a to
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Hillary and bubba were both solidly behind war in Iraq.
I was listening to some revisionist history this morning. Trying to claim that Dubya got bad intel that made him decide to go into Iraq. Funny, as I recall at the time that the Intel community was pissed because he ignored their input, just like the pre 9-11 input was ignored.
One of the things that Trump supporters believed, erroneously of course, was that Trump would avoid needless wars. They believed it because he broke from the pack and actually called out specific politicians for that behavior, the Clintons among them. Of course, that was a lot of crap. I criticized Obama for drone strikes... Which have increased under Trump. And we're still in Iraq. And anyone who believed that he'd back off from those policies is a tool.
One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002. Which sounds remarkably like one of the things that helped break the old Soviet Union up. No country can engage in endless warfar
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One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002.
We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?
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One of the issues we are now facing is that we have been at war, and spending a lot of money since 2002.
We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?
But we weren't sucking the treasury dry. The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless. Halliburton did well though.
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We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?
But we weren't sucking the treasury dry.
We didn't get here without going through there.
The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless.
Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq [youtube.com]. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism. Reagan. Bush. Clinton. Bush. Obama. Trump. What do they all have in common? Military policy in the middle east.
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We've been at war in Iraq since when, the sixties?
But we weren't sucking the treasury dry.
We didn't get here without going through there.
The family bitchfight that was the Dubya war, was pointless.
Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq [youtube.com]. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism. Reagan. Bush. Clinton. Bush. Obama. Trump. What do they all have in common? Military policy in the middle east.
We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bitchfight https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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Every president for decades has bombed the shit out of Iraq [youtube.com]. This is not about a "family bitchfight". This is about American imperialism.
We'll just have to agree to disagree about the bitchfight
I read your link. That was a pretext, nothing more, and bombing Iraq again was simply a continuation of prior U.S. foreign policy on Iraq. I am often resistant to video citations, but I really cannot recommend highly enough that you take the time to watch the above video. It seems long, but it is actually jam-packed with relevant information, provided in a straightforward fashion. It specifically names the individuals responsible on both sides of the aisle, and does not pull punches.
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Re: That's rich. (Score:1, Insightful)
No, she didn't say the working class are deplorables. She said half of Trump's supporters are deplorables. And she's been proven right. They continue to support him, no matter how much he exploits his position for his own family's gain. No matter how many racist attacks he makes against minorities. And when asked to defend his actions they just say "but it pisses Democrats off". Those right there are the irredeemable deplorables she was exactly talking about. There is no point at which they will say enough
Thatâ(TM)s right! But... (Score:2)
You canâ(TM)t tell the useful idiots that theyâ(TM)re idiots if you need them. And she needed some of them.
She couldnâ(TM)t smile and nod, and let these people believe theyâ(TM)re important. She was a terrible candidate.
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I walk into a room with only one other person in it and declare that half the room are idiots. And the other guy agrees with me!
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No, she didn't say the working class are deplorables. She said half of Trump's supporters are deplorables. And she's been proven right. They continue to support him
Wait, you're telling me that insulting people didn't cause them to join your side?
I think Trump is an idiot, but if you think calling people "deplorable" is a viable strategy for converting them to your point of view then you're dumber than he is. Of course trump's supporters haven't abandoned him to join up with the people who expressed contempt for them.
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still sticking with whataboutism there ruskie
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More to the point, misunderstanding competition is how the US ended up lagging the rest of the developed world in mobile technology.
The first GSM specification was produced in 1987. Rather than get behind that the Reagan and later George HW Bush administration decided that government shouldn't be involved in standardization of telecom technology, that competition would select the best standard.
In fact what happened was that carriers selected a number of incompatible 2G technologies that were roughly equiva
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"He only won his "competition" with Russians stepping up their social engineering techniques on a gullible public, and the GOP blocking votes from being being counted in congressional races."
Don't forget the opposing party's subversion of the democratic process, in spite of having democracy in their name. There was plenty of fuckery on both sides.
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Huawei? (Score:2)
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No need to surrender to Communism.
Look to Finland and Swedish equipment makers.
Consider what Poland is doing.
Go consortium and state-owned.
Keep Taiwan free and look at who Taiwan is using for 5G.
Lots of ways not to support Communism and find a new tech alliance.
Irresponsible lying propaganda summary (Score:1, Insightful)
"mocking Trump's frequent usages of the word "real."
Does anyone in their right mind believe the president of Huawei was somehow "mocking" president Trump's apparent overture to free trade? That has to be the stupidest most lying propagandist comment I have ever read.
If anything Huawei's president was insinuating that because Huawei holds the most 5G patents that it was in the best position to build "real" 5G networks. Not everything is about making Trump look bad.
These are serious geopolitical and world trade issues that the world's number 1 economy (Chi
I'll give you competition. (Score:1)
4 years ago we got on a contract with AT&T for 10mbps fiber at 3 locations.
They oversold the product and couldn't give us SIP Trunks for older POTS PBX's. Literally told the rep "sell me a phone system, give me a number", he didn't want to. Not that it wasn't time to change them out but hey. Found an ISP who could who snagged the business.
Doing the work to get us right with them before going to another vendor, I discovered our project manager was out in the phillipines, and they were sending CCNA certi
6G=X-Rays and Gamma Rays? (Score:2)
I wonder what 6G and 7G are. X-Rays and Gamma rays so everyone can get cancer?
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5G==Mesh network (Score:2)
SO 6G==?????
Optical?
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Laser beams! going all pew pew!
Why not 10G? (Score:2)
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Trump may not know jack about shit, but he knows that six is more than five, and he knows more is better. Does anyone not believe that there will be a 6G, or that cellular hardware makers aren't already imagining what that will be? The real issue is that he doesn't want real competition. He just wants to win, and doesn't care how, or what it costs. He's never cared about those things before, why start now?
Why stop there? (Score:2)
Why not go to 7G or even 8G?
There's plenty positive integers left.
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Because people start to black out at that point.
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6.4G ought to be enough for anybody.
We'll have 6G next year! (Score:2)
Since some telecoms are slapping 5G on their 4G LTE networks this year they might as well complete the farce and slap on 6G tags next year!
Competition (Score:1)