China Violated Obama-Era Cybertheft Pact, U.S. Official Says (marketwatch.com) 74
China has violated an accord it signed with the U.S. three years ago pledging not to engage in hacking for the purpose of economic espionage, a senior U.S. intelligence official said this week. From a report: The 2015 bilateral agreement had significantly reduced the amount of Chinese cybertheft targeting American companies, but Beijing's commitment to the deal has eroded, said Rob Joyce, senior adviser for cybersecurity strategy at the National Security Agency. "It is clear they are well beyond the bounds of the agreement today that was forged between our two countries," Joyce said during a panel conversation at the Aspen Cyber Summit.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
Joyce's comments were the latest sign of Washington's rising frustration over China's alleged violation of the pact signed between then-President Barack Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Last week, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions also said China wasn't adhering to the deal, in which the U.S. and China agreed not to conduct cyber operations against each other to steal intellectual property or other forms of economic intelligence.
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The article says there's a longer article at Wall Street Journal, but it's paywalled: https://www.wsj.com/articles/c... [wsj.com]
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I mean lets be honest here; nobody is going to do jack about it. We don't ever do anything about China's bad behavior except 'talk' and maybe sell some weapons systems to Taiwan.
China unlike Russia is real threat to us and all anyone in our government; with the occasional (and only occasional) exception being Trump cares to do anything about it.
The talking heads will cry about how important free trade is while we literally let all our industrial and defense secrets walk out the door.
Trump 2020!
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but.. but the orange man is always, always universally bad isn't he?
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Exactly. It looks like a probable motivation for this US official's 'intelligence leak' is the US is doing it more (and better) and it's only recently that China has started catching up.
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It's not like the US wasn't violating the pact the day of signing. This was merely virtue signaling by an inept administration, nobody expects those to be upheld.
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China unlike Russia is real threat to us and all anyone in our government; with the occasional (and only occasional) exception being Trump cares to do anything about it.
The talking heads will cry about how important free trade is while we literally let all our industrial and defense secrets walk out the door.
Trump has imposed tariffs to try to gain more favorable import/export balances that hopefully will lead to greater US employment and economic activity. Time will tell whether this strategy will work, and it's quite possible that we'll never really know because there are other factors that affect employment and economic activity. Just as free trade results in economic winners and losers among American citizens, tariffs likewise dictate winners and losers among American citizens. There exists the possibili
How to combat forced tech transfer to China (Score:2)
With regards to Chinese theft of American IP via espionage and Chinese laws that force the "lawful" handover of IP, what has Trump done? Tariffs do nothing to combat this theft. This IP theft is where China is trying to gain a competitive advantage that will last far into the future.
Thinking further about this topic, Trump's tariffs have no direct impact on Chinese theft of American IP. However, ironically Chinese retaliatory tariffs do help to blunt this theft by slightly disincentivizing American sales in China, the need to partner with Chinese companies, and the resulting required "lawful" technology transfer to Chinese companies. It's unclear which tech transfer mechanism is more helpful for the Chinese, outright theft or forced transfer via pay-to-play and forced partnership law
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Well lets see
Russia can't reasonably resist us militarily in virtually any theater.
Russia's economy is nearly irrelevant to our own. It could collapse to today and Wall street would hardly bat an eye.
Russia does not have the productive capacity to dump in other markets; other than perhaps in unskilled labor products and maybe for a short while oil/gas. In this sense they are as grave a threat to us as say most of the middle east.
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Meanwhile China, at least if they are willing to cut the nose off to spit
Terrible Quandry (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, this must be a down right terrible quandry from Trump.
He has to choose between China, or an Obama-era agreement that works in his favour.
I am not saying this is Karma (Score:2, Insightful)
But if Trump throw out the nuclear agreement with Iran, why would anyone insist China has to stick with their agreement with the US?
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Fire drill (Score:1)
The Chinese (as well as several other countries) feel emboldened to do this because we currently have historically weak leadership who will do fuck-all about it as long as there may be a chance of someday building a casino in Shanghai or the ability to borrow money from a Chinese bank or sell his daughter's tchotchkes and handbags and shit.
The Chinese will run circles around this dope.
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Well...there's that and also this comes from the Justice Dept. who must have gotten it from the FBI. Now we know that the FBI is a hotbed of Democrats intent on screwing el Presidente Tweetie because...because...they like fake news, immigrants, and premarital intercourse. Hmmm...maybe that caravan in Mexico is actually a Chinese caravan. It makes sense, they are coming here to built a Great Wall to keep Americans in. And the aliens, I'm sure the little green fellers are mixed in with it somewhere...Chinese
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Yeah. Let's blame it on Trump and forget all about Bill Clinton who started this catastrophic avalanche by granting Communist China Most Favored Nation status; George W. Bush who did nothing when it should have been obvious that China was not going to play by the rules with respect to fair trade, IP protection, and industrial espionage; and Barack Obama who also did nothing even though is was even more obvious that China is not a partner to be trusted. None of Clinton, W. Bush, or Obama even so much as peep
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You can blame whomever you want. I'm just telling you why all these countries are taking advantage of the US right now..
You remember those "tough sanctions" that Trump was going to put on Iran? He even released a meme, using the Game of Thrones font, with a picture of himself looking "tough" (apparently, "tough" is one of his favorite words), and the
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He bombed Syria after warning them to move their planes. The only damage was to an airfield that was fixed within days. Do you really not remember how it happened?
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The Chinese (as well as several other countries) feel emboldened to do this because we currently have historically weak leadership who will do fuck-all about it
So...that's why the current leadership is hitting China where it hurts the most? You know where that is right, it's in their pocket book. The same one that the politburo is now worried about, and saying that the tariffs are causing a lot of problems. And they're so worried that they're willing to take on more debt, while things are getting so bad in China that companies can't even make debt payments in funds to creditors...so they're trying to use food as a form of debt-payment.
The Chinese will run circles around this dope.
The Chinese ran circles ar
US claims it does no economic spying... (Score:1)
https://medium.com/economic-po... [medium.com]
Is that not spying for economi
that deal was a joke (Score:4, Interesting)
China is in a cold war with the west, and is winning. It is to the determent of humanity since China continues to emit far far more CO2 than what they claim.
However, the real issue with that, is that China's real goal is to stop importing oil so they are not dependent on other nations. That way, they can attack Taiwan and deal with a 5+ year war. The problem is, that the west has helped them.
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You mean besides their wars with russia, annexing tibet, and so on? And of course violating territory, mineral, oil, gas, and other various treaties and laws in the south china sea, and militarizing them to the point that Japan is looking to get back into the 'we have an active military, and we might just go nuclear while we're at it.'
Re: that deal was a joke (Score:3)
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Ironic (Score:2)
Anyone find that weird?
"Sure, you can spy on our government or military and steal our most heavily guarded secrets, but we draw the line at making iPhone clones."