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President Trump Accuses Twitter of Political Bias (bloomberg.com) 468

President Donald Trump has accused Twitter of targeting his followers for removal from the social media platform, amid complaints by conservatives that social media companies have been discriminating against right-wing voices. From a report: "Twitter has removed many people from my account and, more importantly, they have seemingly done something that makes it much harder to join -- they have stifled growth to a point where it is obvious to all," Trump said in a tweet Friday. "A few weeks ago it was a Rocket Ship, now it is a Blimp! Total Bias?" Trump and some other Republicans have complained that Facebook, Alphabet's Google and Twitter have censored or suppressed conservative voices. Democrats have called that a diversion from concern over Russia's use of social-media platforms to influence the 2016 presidential election and over the proliferation of offensive content. In his opening remarks during a meeting with state attorneys general in September, Attorney General Jeff Sessions raised concerns that social media companies have a political agenda and have the power to manipulate public opinion, according to Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh.
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President Trump Accuses Twitter of Political Bias

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  • Self discovery (Score:2, Insightful)

    by nospam007 ( 722110 ) *

    It's hard to admit to yourself, after the last account removals of Nazis, that you were one them.
    Even if you didn't know it, the rest of us did.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      after the last account removals of Nazis

      You mean the last account removals of people using the NPC meme, where twitter has refused to give any ban reason at all? But liberals and progressives were screeching that the NPC meme is 'dehumanizing' but conveniently forget that they've been labeling anyone who doesn't follow their ideology as nasi's, fascists, racists, sexists, homophobes, and chalk full of misogyny? And if you're a minority that doesn't agree, you're an uncle tom, house ni**er(enjoy the lameness filter), race traitor, white supremac

  • So? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:26AM (#57540087)
    Twitter is not a government entity. They can do what they damn well please. They don't have to obey the 1st Amendment. If he doesn't like it, he can quit using the service (don't we all wish)....
    • Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Z80a ( 971949 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:45AM (#57540241)

      Yes, they can, but they can't have the safe harbor provision as they show to be checking for every post with a system, so they should be liable for every single copyright infringement on the platform.

      • Yes, they can, but they can't have the safe harbor provision as they show to be checking for every post with a system, so they should be liable for every single copyright infringement on the platform.

        Copyright infringement in 140 / 280 characters or fewer? It's possible an entire, or substantial part of a, work could be tweeted in under that, but otherwise it would probably fall under fair use -- all assuming no source was cited and/or it wasn't shown to be a simple quotation.

        • by Z80a ( 971949 )

          There's the image and video embedding services.
          Also the grey area of links for copyrighted material.

        • NPR tweeted the US Constitution in it's entirety, tweet after tweet after tweet. So yes, it is possible.
      • Re:So? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by DRJlaw ( 946416 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:16PM (#57541245)

        Yes, they can, but they can't have the safe harbor provision as they show to be checking for every post with a system, so they should be liable for every single copyright infringement on the platform.

        Prove it. Show me anything in the CDA or DMCA that conditions the safe harbors upon a lack of "bias" in the material that a service carries.

        I'll even give you the links to the relevant CDA [cornell.edu] and DMCA [cornell.edu] provisions because you're not going to find them.

        -IP/Technology Attorney

    • Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by penandpaper ( 2463226 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:57AM (#57540329) Journal

      What impact can social media have on our elections? Apparently, a lot if Russian ads on Facebook are believed to swing 2016. Are you comfortable with private entities able to control elections to such an extent as to be able to silence people from national dialogue and get their preferred politician elected because the power they wield over people?

      Here I thought the left was against large multinational companies abusing their positions of power over regular people. I don't know what the right answer is but I think we are in a precarious position as the technology matures to be able to, in real-time, silence and condition the dialogue people have. That is more dangerous to democracy than Trump or any president could ever be. It's even more terrifying that there are so many quick to support that kind of power for any kind of entity especially one without accountability or transparency. I don't care if it was Jesus Christ that is too much power for one company, platform, person, industry, government, anything to have.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Sarten-X ( 1102295 )

        Here I thought the left was against large multinational companies abusing their positions of power over regular people.

        As someone who's often left-leaning, that's almost completely wrong.

        The left is very much in favor of large companies (and states) having power over regular people. The key is that it's a highly-regulated power, managed by someone with the regular people's best interests in mind, because history has shown that the regular people very rarely understand how to actually accomplish their goals. Those that do aggressively pursue their goals will usually end up doing so by preventing others from pursuing theirs.

        N

        • Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by El Cubano ( 631386 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:36PM (#57541385)

          Really, Slashdot readers? +5 Interesting!?!?!

          The left is very much in favor of large companies (and states) having power over regular people. The key is that it's a highly-regulated power, managed by someone with the regular people's best interests in mind, because history has shown that the regular people very rarely understand how to actually accomplish their goals. Those that do aggressively pursue their goals will usually end up doing so by preventing others from pursuing theirs.

          You have paternalism, elitism, classism, and corporatism (maybe some other -isms that I missed) all wrapped up into one. Let me rephrase your statement:

          The left is very much in favor of un-freedom.

          If anything, history has shown that while people do at times make the wrong decision, both individually and at the levels of various local/national political entities, they often are able to accomplish their goals. What happens, though, is that sometimes once they accomplish their goals they realize that maybe they should not have accomplished their goals.

          Discounting for the moment revolutions that have been fomented by other countries (notably the US poking around in Latin America and the Caribbean), in the last few hundred years you have had significant revolutions in the US, Russia, France, Cuba, Venezuela, China, and others. Each of those seems to be a very clear example of the people accomplishing their goals, with some turning out better than others. Cuba and Venezuela, however, seem to also be shining examples of "buyers remorse".

          What you describe is what we have seen Cuba and Venezuela turn into, with the government controlling not just big business, but also small businesses and individuals. Surprise surprise, people there found out that they were not so fond of losing their self-determination (i.e., liberty) to the government even though they gave it away to start with!

      • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:22PM (#57541287)
        and while we're at it hold Fox News to the editorial standards that used to exist where you can't mix news and editorializing? How about all those billionaires and their unlimited money? Money is speech after all and they've got unlimited speech and power. Ready to start taking away their central power?

        Sorry, but you're not fooling anyone. You're in favor of centralized media control when it suits you. You're opposed to it when the slightest resistance is detected.

        Here's the thing, you won. You won everything. You control every branch of government. Even the Democrats are mostly right wing now thanks to the Overton window shift. The right own everything. Now you've just got to live with the consequences. Your guy Trump just called himself a Nationalist. He praises dictators for seizing power. He put a pro-torture woman in charge of the CIA. That's all gonna come home to roost soon. Enjoy your Pyrrhic victory. In the meantime can you stop acting like you're some oppressed minority? You're not. You won.
    • Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Mashiki ( 184564 ) <mashiki@gmail.cBALDWINom minus author> on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:12AM (#57540423) Homepage

      Doesn't actually matter if they're not a government entity. Twitter has testified that they consider themselves the "new public square" for political discussion. They promoted that as well. There's been a whole assload of cases on this whereby a company presents itself as a public square, 1st amendment rules apply.

      So really it boils down to this: Either the 1st amendment rules apply, in which case they're far more broadly protected and so are people. Or it doesn't, in which case they're not only curating content, but the people allowed to post there. In which case CDA S.230 no longer apply and they become liable for anything posted there. The "reasonable" defense section only applies if they allow access but don't actively curate, something they stopped doing a few years ago, when they made the change of how people become verified and in turn stated that they support the views of the people who are verified. This again is something they've openly stated.

      • There's been a whole assload of cases on this whereby a company presents itself as a public square, 1st amendment rules apply.

        Sounds interesting. Can you link some references? Make sure and include an "assload" of them.

        • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Why don't you just try your favorite search engine. I'd suggest using the search phrase "extended 1st amendment protections." You'll learn something interesting...providing of course the search engine you picked isn't curating your results.

      • Re:So? (Score:5, Informative)

        by DRJlaw ( 946416 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:23PM (#57541295)

        Doesn't actually matter if they're not a government entity. Twitter has testified that they consider themselves the "new public square" for political discussion. They promoted that as well. There's been a whole assload of cases on this whereby a company presents itself as a public square, 1st amendment rules apply.

        Pretty sure they've revoked that policy at this point. Just because they promoted that at one time does not mean that they're locked into it for all eternity.

        ls down to this: Either the 1st amendment rules apply, in which case they're far more broadly protected and so are people. Or it doesn't, in which case they're not only curating content, but the people allowed to post there. In which case CDA S.230 no longer apply and they become liable for anything posted there.

        No. The CDA [cornell.edu] expressly says otherwise. 48 USC 230(c)(2):

        No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of --
        (A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.

        The "reasonable" defense section only applies if they allow access but don't actively curate, something they stopped doing a few years ago, when they made the change of how people become verified and in turn stated that they support the views of the people who are verified.

        Pure fiction.

    • by Puls4r ( 724907 )
      You are incorrect. Twitter realizes that and they will respond to Trump in as polite a manner as they can.

      Do you remember the banks that were "to big to fail?" It would be VERY easy for the government to declare these communication entities as "Too influential to go unregulated". You could crow about free speech. But the government WILL win if they choose to go down that route. And eventually they will.
    • Re:So? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by lgw ( 121541 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:18AM (#57540451) Journal

      Twitter is not a government entity. They can do what they damn well please.

      That's not how it works in America (or anywhere, really). They can't e.g. ban you because you're Black. The more you open your business to the public, the more you have to bake that gay cake, like it or not. And there's a spectrum defined in law, from "group of people who all know each other" to "common carrier". For the former, the rights of the owners dominate, for the latter the rights of the customers dominate, and there are several stops in between.

      Twitter needs to be held to some legal standard. Are they a common carrier? Then they must respect the first amendment rights of their users. Are they a publisher? They they get 100% control of content, and are 100% legally responsible for what they allow. So what are they?

      • The more you open your business to the public, the more you have to bake that gay cake, like it or not.

        The problem with this is that religion rights is a constitutionally protected issue as well.

        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          Yes, that's my point. There's a legal spectrum: on the one end, the rights of the owners win, on the other, the rights of the customers win, with most businesses in the middle somewhere.

      • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

        Are they a publisher? They they get 100% control of content, and are 100% legally responsible for what they allow.

        They're an interactive computer service, and get reasonable control of content on a good faith basis with 0% responsibility for what they allow.

        CDA [cornell.edu] section 230(c):

        (c) Protection for âoeGood Samaritanâ blocking and screening of offensive material
        (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker
        No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any

    • Re:So? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:26AM (#57540519)

      Twitter is not a government entity. They can do what they damn well please. They don't have to obey the 1st Amendment. If he doesn't like it, he can quit using the service (don't we all wish)....

      Yes, as a Trump supporter, I DO wish he'd lay off his tweeting, at least for the most part. Some of it has been helpful, but the bulk of it has been anything but helpful or appropriate in my view. But one must also acknowledge that the media's reaction to these tweets has been at least partly responsible for the whole three ring circus. Trump is obviously the ring master, but the media are running around as the clowns at his request.

      However, It's fair to state that there IS sort of a social movement brewing that is pushing to force 1st amendment like rules onto popular social platforms, even those which are privately owned and operated. Personally, I'm a bit conflicted about this kind of regulation, because that's what this will need to be, a law. On one hand I clearly see the political bias imposed by these platforms as a bad thing, but on the other I clearly understand that the 1st amendment doesn't apply.

      I guess that my preference would be for a "hands off" policy and leave things as they are. Let folks like Trump complain about how unfair the sites moderate based on political bias, just take the complaints with a grain of salt. As much as these platforms are PR shamed into trying to justify their bias, the net effect is the same as a regulation and a whole lot less complex and expensive to boot.

      SO... Let Trump complain. I think he's correct, Twitter is biased. However, I'm not supportive of laws or regulations that try to enforce any political parity on social platforms. IF Trump's PR war on Twitter causes them to be less biased, great! I think it's a waste of his time, but I'm more concerned about his accomplishments and policies than his Twitter rants.

    • Re:So? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:21PM (#57540879)

      Honest question: is twitter a publisher or a medium. It makes a huge difference.

      If twitter is a publisher, then they may have the right to reject some tweets. But, that also means they are responsible for *everything* that is tweeted.

      If twitter is a medium, then they do not have the right to delete tweets that have the wrong political opinion.

      It seems to me that twitter - and facebook and google - want to have it both ways.

      • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

        If twitter is a publisher, then they may have the right to reject some tweets. But, that also means they are responsible for *everything* that is tweeted.

        Wrong. The CDA permits them to screen out the overtly and covertly racist drivel that passes for the sort of material suppressed for "bias" that Trump is complaining of.

        (c) Protection for âoeGood Samaritanâ blocking and screening of offensive material
        (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker
        No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall

  • by Vegan Cyclist ( 1650427 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:33AM (#57540141) Homepage

    So what? It's their platforms, why can't they have a political bias? If I ran a website with a political bias, would that be breaking any laws? I wonder if Trump properties have a 'bias' to who they rent to? Is Trump willing to speak up there as well if commercial entities can't have a political bias?

    • Twitter was partly ruled as a public forum because of Trumps twitter feed and response system. Twitter can arbitrary ban people from taking part in that public forum with zero transparency and zero accountability. Are you comfortable with a single company having that kind of power because #resist Trump?

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      If I ran a website with a political bias, would that be breaking any laws?

      There's a difference between a publisher and a common carrier. Social media companies of course want to have it both ways. But that's not good for society, and shouldn't be allowed. Either be a publisher, with total control over (but also total responsibility for) what you publish, or be a common carrier (you can't discriminate, which means any legal problems are those of your users).

      Europe is starting to come down on the side of treating social media like publishers, gradually ratcheting up the degree t

  • by Zorro ( 15797 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:33AM (#57540149)

    Anyone that argues there is no Bias is just lying to themselves.

  • Trump (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:34AM (#57540151)

    I was elected king or whatever, biggest election in any country ever, and now people are questioning me. Nobody ever questioned Obama. Obama was so bad I was always questioning him, as were many of the best people. Everyone is saying how well I am doing, really, and nobody is questioning me, so why are all these people questioning me?

  • This kind of shit is just fodder for asshats on both sides of the aisle that lets them whine about how oppressed they are and how bad the other tribe is. Fuck 'em both.
  • It didn't, though... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Sarten-X ( 1102295 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:37AM (#57540187) Homepage

    Nothing significant happened.

    According to the results [socialbakers.com] of a quick Google search, Trump lost a maximum of 11,230 followers from his high of 55,287,639, a grand total of 0.02%.

  • Any valid human perspective has bias.

    Sometimes, you hear a perspective, understand it completely, and reject it as false. Then, you're biased against that perspective.

    Communicating the reason for that bias, and reevaluating that bias are valuable parts of being an open-minded functional person.

    Skepticism is bias - and it is very important to a functioning society to avoid several forms of stagnation. The problem is closed-mindedness, not bias.

    The problem is also using all of these concepts as bludgeons wi

    • Thank you, Brother, or Sister, or Nonbinary Fraternal Sibling, for your kind words of wisdom and understanding.

      It matters not that our thumb on the scale for political discourse on the platforms that hundreds of millions of people use for online communications, for surely we are on the side of goodness and light and that will never change.

      Our bias is the only valid one, due to our own enlightenment. We do not see it as maintaining an ideological echo chamber, for surely there can only be one Truth. Th

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @10:41AM (#57540219)
    when you're objectively [vox.com] wrong [washingtonpost.com] it's important to keep pushing an opposing narrative. The American right wing figured this out in the 80s.

    At the end of the day strip away the nonsense about "Culture War" this and "PC that" and you're left with what really matters: economics. And when it comes to economics the media is united on the side of the right. Low taxes (for capital, labor can still pay taxes, I mean, somebody's gotta pay 'em, amiright?), minimal or no regulation, free trade when it's good for profits (but not for pharmaceuticals, that would be a job killing regulation). The right own Sinclair who own just about every TV station in the country. They own Fox news. Hell, they own CNN and MSNBC if you pay attention to economics instead of social issues.

    I guess it bothers me to see the right wing playing the victim card when they've got all 3 branches of gov't, billionaire elites and virtually all the media that matters on their side. What bother's me is that they can peddle this nonsensical persecution complex and get away with it. It's Orwellian Double think, exactly the kind of thing they're supposed to be against...
    • by 3seas ( 184403 )

      Sounds like you are suggesting there is a Jewish influence at the White House.

  • That's all I ask. His every tweet is something negative, an attack or an accusation that someone is mistreating/maligning/abusing him.

    Has he nothing to contribute?

  • by cHiphead ( 17854 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:00AM (#57540349)

    What the hell has happened to the /. comments section over the past 10 years? This place has gone fucking crazy with right wing crybabies. Used to come back here to see reasoned and thoughtful discussion even while the trolls were prevalent, but now it's just some bot-esque echo chamber of crazy people. It's like the bots and crazies that infested local newspaper comments section added this site to their target lists for propaganda.

    • for one thing there's bots and trolls. As silly as it sounds /.ers are a key demographic. We're old enough that we vote reliably. We're also old enough to have something to lose and fearful of losing it. We've been through a ton of layoffs thanks to tech outsourcing so we're highly receptive of "us vs them" messaging. That makes us an ideal and fertile ground for that kind of politicing.

      As an added bonus we're mostly men, and men are feeling pretty well crapped on lately. We granted women equal rights b
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:09AM (#57540399) Journal

    I'm glad that President Trump is focusing on his number of Twitter followers as one of his supporters in Florida is arrested for a terrorist attack on his prominent critics.

    He's definitely showing leadership and has his priorities straight.

    https://www.abcactionnews.com/... [abcactionnews.com]

  • I am biased (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Plus1Entropy ( 4481723 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:10AM (#57540409)

    Against Nazis and white supremacists. Uh oh, slashdot didn't delete my comment, it must be biased too!

    I mean, what are the chances that Nazis and KKK members are hated by most of society, and that it becomes reflected in a platform used by large portions of society?

    • More likely, if Faux News echos this then Trump will echo back and fools caught in the feedback loop will have another target of their hate. The whole time while all parties point elsewhere or worst case at each other but they will never accept responsibility (not likely even false statements saying they accept responsibility.)

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Against Nazis and white supremacists. Uh oh, slashdot didn't delete my comment, it must be biased too!

      Are you biased against black supremacists? How about democrats that demand that laws shouldn't be enforced?

      I mean, what are the chances that Nazis and KKK members are hated by most of society, and that it becomes reflected in a platform used by large portions of society?

      Well that's a funny thing, because there's more black supremacists and communist agitators like BAMN, antifa and so on then actual nazi's or members of the KKK these days. Out of curiosity, are you against them as well? Twitter isn't.

    • Against Nazis and white supremacists. Uh oh, slashdot didn't delete my comment, it must be biased too!

      I mean, what are the chances that Nazis and KKK members are hated by most of society, and that it becomes reflected in a platform used by large portions of society?

      My first thought was basically this. Does Twitter's political bias cause them to ban people who post things about less industrial regulation and lower taxes, or are they banning people that post about how much they hate blacks, Muslims, and "teh gays".

  • Does anyone who actually matters use Twitter or any other so-called 'social media' anymore? I don't think so.
    If YOU are still using 'social media' then you should re-think that.
    • It boggles my mind that Trump has 55 million followers. Honestly the idea that anyone would have that kind of numbers is just crazy. I get that a sizeable chunk of that is probably people that aren't fans of his but just want to keep abreast of whatever crazy shit he's spouting, but still. That is just an impossibly large group of people lending an ear to someone.

  • by MadCat221 ( 572505 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:24AM (#57540499)
    Wingnut president accuses media outlet that doesn't bark at the GOP moon of "Political Bias". News at 11.
  • by mark_reh ( 2015546 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:25AM (#57540513) Journal

    if you shut down lies, hate, and bullshit? There are probably plenty of others who get the boot, too, but the GOP is particularly enamored of spewing outright lies, hate, and bullshit, so it just looks like they are being targeted. If they don't like getting filtered or banned, maybe they should try not lying so much. Duh.

  • There's your bias: Jack likes Nazis and shameless hustler criminals like Trump who support his service, so of course he won't ban Trump no matter how many people on BOTH SIDES want the Orange Julius Caesar to STFU.

  • I have studied the growth of followers and signups. I am reminded of the oft-used phrase:

    Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

    If you think your signups are slowing down, (1) check that your metrics are working correctly, (2) check that your assumptions of an unlimited pool for signups are still valid, (3) understand that things change.

  • Old cat pees on bed. Again. And looks into different direction.

    Seriously, how is $TRUMP accuses $NON-TRUMP of $STUFF_HE_DOES_NOT_SO_SECRETLY still any news?

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:51AM (#57540683)

    Trump and some other Republicans have complained that Facebook, Alphabet's Google and Twitter have censored or suppressed conservative voices.

    ... the companies simply removed bot accounts pushing propaganda. As the accounts of actual people, like Alex Jones, they apparently violated the companies' Terms and Conditions. Not really a 1st Amendment issue as companies and individuals can limit whatever they want on their platforms - for any reason.

  • by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @11:58AM (#57540725) Homepage
    A person is using twitter to launch personal attacks against others.

    Boycott Twitter.
  • by Arkham ( 10779 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:07PM (#57540787)

    a.k.a. liars and idiots.

    Home of the nationalist, the white supremacist, the flat-earther, the fascist, the religious zealot, and the neo-nazi. These are some really awesome people and we all need to hear what they have to say....

  • Is there any evidence of twitter deleting accounts where a person politely argued for a well-researched reasonable point-of-view without inciting hatred, using swear words, or using facts that aren't based on anything?

    If not, I would think that right-winged persons would be happy to have the nut jobs filtered out from their point of view. Sure the others might dominate in numbers, but it would also show that right wing are, on average, more reasonable than their unfiltered counterparts.

    I'm seriously i

  • If Twitter had a bias, Trump would have been removed long ago for all of his flagrant violations of their terms of service. I

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