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Trump To Target Foreign Meddling In US Elections With Sanctions Order (reuters.com) 187

An anonymous reader shares an exclusive report from Reuters: President Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order as soon as Wednesday that will slap sanctions on any foreign companies or people who interfere in U.S. elections, based on intelligence agency findings, two sources familiar with the matter said. Trump's decision to sign an executive order coincides with intelligence agencies, military and law enforcement preparing to defend the Nov. 6 congressional elections from predicted foreign attacks even as Trump derides a special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

Sanction targets could include individual people or entire companies accused of interfering in U.S. elections by cyber attacks or other means, a U.S. official told Reuters. The order will put a range of agencies in charge of deciding if meddling occurred, led by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and including the CIA, the National Security Agency and the Homeland Security Department, the sources said. Based on a recent draft of the order reviewed by the U.S. official, it will require any federal agency aware of election interference by foreigners to take the information to the office of Director of National Intelligence. Election interference will be defined in the order as hacking attempts against "election infrastructure," and efforts to sway public opinion through coordinated digital propaganda or systematic leaks of private political information.
UPDATE: The story has been updated with additional information from Reuters.
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Trump To Target Foreign Meddling In US Elections With Sanctions Order

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  • Finally... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:24PM (#57292952) Journal

    ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

    Won't they?

    • Re:Finally... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Tough Love ( 215404 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:26PM (#57292966)

      He talked. Talk is cheap.

    • Depends on whether there is an exemption for Russia

      • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

        Depends on how you define "meddling" and what he has as "proof."

        • ...will slap sanctions on any foreign companies or people who interfere in U.S. elections, based on intelligence agency findings...

          Intelligence agency findings are secret because of national security, so basically the USA is thinking about passing a law that will enable them to slap sanctions on anyone they want around the world and we're supposed to shut up about it.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Ah, would that be the same intelligence agency that told the UK that Saddam had WMD's that could hit London in 40 mins?

          • by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:09PM (#57293276) Homepage

            I've never been a fan of how they toss around "national security" to justify everything. Not a fan of blanket laws that let them interpret a crime any way they want too.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        It seems there's already an exception for Russia.

        ...any foreign companies or people.

        I don't see government in there so unless the XO covers those guys, e.g. Russia. It doesn't mean much. I have a hunch this XO was inspired more by David Hogg [newsweek.com] than Russian interference.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Nope. Rule by decree much? Cunt can't even do a thing with a republican controlled house and congress.

      1/10, not impressed, would rant again.

      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        It's quite hard to get things done when your own staff are intentionally undermining you.

        But that's last week's news, maybe you've forgotten it already.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by bobbied ( 2522392 )

      ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

      Won't they?

      I guess hope springs eternal in that regard. Irrational behavior doesn't usually change. Just like there are those who wouldn't care if he shot someone dead on a public street (his example, not mine) there are those who'd complain if he single handedly cured cancer and poverty world wide.

      So my guess is this action will 1. not be covered by his detractors in the media who will ignore it and 2. when covered. will be derided for various reasons (ineffective, to late, etc.). The end result will be that he

      • Re:Finally... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Crashmarik ( 635988 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:31PM (#57293394)

        I hate to say this, but the executive order is likely illegal and a violation of the first amendment. The constitution extends its protections to foreign nationals while they reside in the country. Of course as Alan Dershowitz has pointed out, so far no one has a crime that actually involves the Russians. Well unless you count Mueller indicting a company that didn't exist until after the elections

        https://www.politico.com/story... [politico.com]

        If the Russians have time travel this is all moot anyway.

        • I don't think this is a violation of anybody's rights. All the order does is put individual folks on the "do not trade with" list with all sorts of other unsavory actors like known terrorists, drug and human traffickers, arms dealers and folks who are known to trade with the same. It is roughly the same as the "Do Not Fly" list, only it's maintained by the Department of Commerce, not the TSA. So you get on this list and US companies are barred from selling or buying stuff from you. This is not a new list,

          • Devil is in the details. I was thinking after I wrote it, he might want to force a discussion of just what does constitute interference in our elections.

        • From the politico article: >....Dubelier's firm was representing both Concord Management and a related company known as Concord Catering... >Dubelier said he wasn't authorized to appear in court for Concord Catering, a firm which he contended should never have been listed in the indictment returned in February. >"The government indicted a proverbial ham sandwich â" somebody that didn't exist ... at the time period alleged by the government," the defense attorney said. The focus of the case
          • I don't know the minutia of why the catering firm would be named but I think focusing on that is a red herring compared to the actual suspicion on Concord management.

            Well that's a pretty good bit of reasoning, but apparently Mueller never actually expected to have a trial of any kind and was indicting to show he was indicting.

            A federal judge has rejected special counsel Robert Mueller’s request to delay the first court hearing in a criminal case charging three Russian companies and 13 Russian citizens with using social media and other means to foment strife among Americans in advance of the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

            In a brief order Saturday evening, U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich offered no explanation for her decision to deny a request prosecutors made Friday to put off the scheduled Wednesday arraignment for Concord Management and Consulting, one of the three firms charged in the case.

            The 13 people charged in the high-profile indictment in February are considered unlikely to ever appear in a U.S. court. The three businesses accused of facilitating the alleged Russian troll farm operation — the Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, and Concord Catering — were also expected to simply ignore the American criminal proceedings.

            https://www.politico.com/story... [politico.com]

            Yes yes sentence first, trial later. Wouldn't want lack of evidence, lack of a criminal, lack of a crime getting in the way of justice.

    • Re:Finally... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:39PM (#57293054)

      ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

      Won't they?

      When it comes to Trump you get all the consistency of a magic 8 ball. If somebody shakes the old fart between now and the election we will get a totally different reaction to any election meddling from what he's rambling about now. In the absence of any consistency in this White House I'll believe he's willing to slap sanctions on Russia it when I see him do it.

      • ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

        Won't they?

        When it comes to Trump you get all the consistency of a magic 8 ball. If somebody shakes the old fart between now and the election we will get a totally different reaction to any election meddling from what he's rambling about now. In the absence of any consistency in this White House I'll believe he's willing to slap sanctions on Russia it when I see him do it.

        ::Shakes Magic 8 Ball:: You may rely on it

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08... [cnn.com]

        • ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

          Won't they?

          When it comes to Trump you get all the consistency of a magic 8 ball. If somebody shakes the old fart between now and the election we will get a totally different reaction to any election meddling from what he's rambling about now. In the absence of any consistency in this White House I'll believe he's willing to slap sanctions on Russia it when I see him do it.

          ::Shakes Magic 8 Ball:: You may rely on it

          https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08... [cnn.com]

          Don't you mean ::Shakes Old Fart:: ??

          • Don't you mean ::Shakes Old Fart:: ??

            I didn't realize you were an old fart. Sorry thought you actually wanted to know what was happening.

            • Don't you mean ::Shakes Old Fart:: ??

              I didn't realize you were an old fart. Sorry thought you actually wanted to know what was happening.

              It's Trump who's the old fart in the big white house and it's him you'll have to shake in hopes of getting a new result. If you shake him long enough, and if you're lucky enough, he won't bankrupt the US like he did those six hotels/casinos.

              • Don't you mean ::Shakes Old Fart:: ??

                I didn't realize you were an old fart. Sorry thought you actually wanted to know what was happening.

                It's Trump who's the old fart in the big white house and it's him you'll have to shake in hopes of getting a new result. If you shake him long enough, and if you're lucky enough, he won't bankrupt the US like he did those six hotels/casinos.

                Yeah I mean that 9 trillion in debt Obama added is hard to top.

      • ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

        Won't they?

        When it comes to Trump you get all the consistency of a magic 8 ball. If somebody shakes the old fart between now and the election we will get a totally different reaction to any election meddling from what he's rambling about now. In the absence of any consistency in this White House I'll believe he's willing to slap sanctions on Russia it when I see him do it.

        Are you looking at what he does then?

        Didn't he sign the bill that increased the sanctions on Russia that passed though Congress early in his term? I believe he did on 8/2/17. Now I hear lots of folks say that this was because he didn't have a choice given the margins it passed Congress with, but he signed it. See H.R.3364 on Tomas.gov for details.

        So are you paying attention?

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Freischutz ( 4776131 )

          ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

          Won't they?

          When it comes to Trump you get all the consistency of a magic 8 ball. If somebody shakes the old fart between now and the election we will get a totally different reaction to any election meddling from what he's rambling about now. In the absence of any consistency in this White House I'll believe he's willing to slap sanctions on Russia it when I see him do it.

          Are you looking at what he does then?

          Didn't he sign the bill that increased the sanctions on Russia that passed though Congress early in his term? I believe he did on 8/2/17. Now I hear lots of folks say that this was because he didn't have a choice given the margins it passed Congress with, but he signed it. See H.R.3364 on Tomas.gov for details.

          So are you paying attention?

          Paying attention?? ... Well ... You said it yourself. The margins were so large the first time that bill passed it was obvious it was veto proof since Congress can override a presidential veto by a two-thirds supermajority in both houses. H.r.3364 passed the House with 419 votes to 3 against and the senate with 98 votes to 2 against. Trump had no choice but to sign. If he hand't signed Congress would have shoved that bill down his throat with a second vote and since Trump is always a winner he could not ver

        • If I were accused of being in league with the enemy, I think I might look at manufacturing examples of how I am not. As for H.R. 3364 specifically, you may wish to actually read the relevant sections. While the optics may suggest a certain thing, slap might not be the best choice of terms.
          • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

            If I were accused of being in league with the enemy, I think I might look at manufacturing examples of how I am not.

            Translation: every piece of evidence that contradicts the Russiagate cult (i.e. Trump being far more confrontational with Russia than Obama ever was) is proof that the dumbest conspiracy theory of all time is correct.

            Russigaters would still be calling Trump a "Putin Puppet" if he had ICBM's in the air on their way to Moscow. Because that's how cults work.

    • ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time.

      Won't they?

      He did? How exactly? There are already laws against that! Why do you think the Mueller probe is on?

    • by jbengt ( 874751 )
      From TFA

      Congress has been purposefully left out of the executive order drafting process, the official said, because the administration wants to preempt legislation being considered in the House and Senate that addresses similar issues.

      and

      Congress passed a Russia sanctions bill more than a year ago. Some lawmakers - including some Republicans as well as Democrats - have chafed at what they saw as the administration’s reluctance to implement it. Trump signed the bill only after Congress passed it with

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      ...I'm sure all of Trump's detractors will agree that he has done the right thing and it's about time. Won't they?

      I hope you didn't just anticipate a negative response from a group of people and use your anticipation feel critical about them!

      I hope you won't expect ALL members of a group to do something right (since that's not how groups of humans ever work). And I hope you won't criticize the group as a whole based on just some of them failing to do something right; only if you have evidence that a significant portion of group members fail to do it.

      I think it's very possible that you won't do either of those things. (

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Depends on (a) what the order actually says and (b) how far he goes to actually do anything about it.

      I don't hate Trump, I just don't think he's a good man or a good president. But if he actually cracks down on Russian interference in the election, and doesn't use it for an excuse for political ratfucking, I won't hesitate to say he's done a good job on this issue.

      The thing is, announcing you are going to do something isn't the same thing as doing it, otherwise we'd have that Obamacare replacement in hand

  • by nnet ( 20306 )
    ...its because the election was hacked."

    Get ready for it.

    • by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:39PM (#57293056)

      ...its because the election was hacked."

      Get ready for it.

      Well... It's been the narrative for almost the last three years now, so Why not?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Isn't that the DNC platform they are running on already?

    • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:04PM (#57293246)

      "If we lose our majority its because the election was hacked."

      Get ready for it.

      Get ready? What are you talking about, he's literally already written that! [twitter.com]

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      I don't think there will be a big enough blue wave to overcome gerrymandering in the House, and there are way more Democratic senators up for re-election than Republicans, which favors the Republicans. 26 of 35 seats up for grabs are held by Democrats, and they pretty much have to win all of them plus pick up another four. That's no longer in the realm of fantasy, but it is at best a 50/50 shot. There's even a possibility of a 50/50 split, which is a Republican "win" with Pence casting the tying vote.

      So

  • Hacker (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:31PM (#57293008) Journal

    Hacking voting systems is a distraction. It is pumping up dissent and rivalry and anger, by foreign governments trolling myriad sites, that is the real problem.

    It's not so much free speech as it is speech by governments without them letting you know it is a government, much less which.

    You don't think Russia or NK have dozens of innocent accounts with high karma ready to downmod stuff? Tout racial friction? Attempt to portray right wing as synonymous with neo Nazis? Not point out some are, but touting they are the same, while posting simultaneously messages that are Nazi-like as if by a Trump supporter? They play the roll of both sides.

    • It is pumping up dissent and rivalry and anger, by foreign governments trolling myriad sites, that is the real problem.

      This is like a rounding error on the actual problems, it's so small.

      Tout racial friction? Attempt to portray right wing as synonymous with neo Nazis? Not point out some are, but touting they are the same, while posting simultaneously messages that are Nazi-like as if by a Trump supporter?

      There are so many actual American democrats saying those things that any Russian influence is completely drowned out. Formerly respectable newspapers are playing the stuff [sacbee.com], it's beyond typical conspiracy theorists. To be fair, Americans also compared Bush to Hitler, and Obama to the antichrist. We just don't like our presidents.

      The real problem is not Russian meddling, it's the willingness of people to demonize the other side rather than

  • No outside money (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SmaryJerry ( 2759091 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:32PM (#57293020)
    This seems like it should already be a law but if not it will really change things a lot. But wow I bet thousands of company's are shitting their pants right now because they won't have control over representatives any longer or will have to be even more shady in the way they contribute.. not just donating to the campaign or the campaign's charities or whatever.
  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:53PM (#57293150) Journal
    Does he mean the 'intelligence agencies' that he says are lying about everything and are worthless? Or does he now like them (this week)? Or has someone spoon-fed Trump enough that he's got it through his 5th grader mentality how things actually work?
    • Yeah, those. They suck and shouldn't be handed this power to prevaricate and instigate further "need" for themselves and the MIC.
    • by Raenex ( 947668 )

      Does he mean the 'intelligence agencies' that he says are lying about everything and are worthless?

      I'll wait for your quote that shows that he says that.

      Or has someone spoon-fed Trump enough that he's got it through his 5th grader mentality how things actually work?

      Given your own 5th grader mentality here, you should look in the mirror and stop throwing stones.

      The Russia hysteria is just that, hysteria, whipped [zerohedge.com] up by the DNC and a Deep State intent on keeping up the Trump/Russia collusion narrative.

      Don't believe the article? Watch this testimony [youtu.be]. Any techie on Slashdot should be flabberghasted at this stunning admission.

    • Thirty million generations of philosophers have debated the definition of intelligence. The most popular definition appears in the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation android manuals: "Intelligence is the ability to reconcile totally contradictory situations without going completely bonkers. For example, having a stomach ache and not having a stomach ache at the same time, holding a hole without the doughnut, having good luck and bad luck simultaneously, or seeing a real estate agent waive his fee."

      That Trump

    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      You have to think about the effects of the government declaring certain types of speech illegal.

      Whether or not there was interference (there wasn't) in the voting process, the left has declared that posting on FaceBook in support of a particular candidate is "interference", now Trump is "doing something about it" which means - controlling speech.

      Yes, THIS is what you asked for, now go eat your cake.

  • Member Berries (Score:3, Insightful)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:11PM (#57293290) Journal

    Is anyone here old enough to remember Trump's big "voter fraud" commission? It was going to uncover the millions of illegal aliens that voted in the last election, giving Hillary the popular vote.

    Member?

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by DCFusor ( 1763438 )
      No one wants to turn that rock over. Like Jill Stein's investigation that found more blue votes than there were voters. That got shut down real quick. They're all dirty - wake up.
    • by Raenex ( 947668 )

      Is anyone here old enough to remember Trump's big "voter fraud" commission?

      Yes, I remember how the lack of cooperation for requested information doomed it from the start. Of course, that doesn't mean voter fraud doesn't exist. We know [nationalreview.com] it does:

      "In 2015, one Kansas county began offering voter registration at naturalization ceremonies, as Hans A. von Spakovsky and I reported in January at Fox News. Election officials soon discovered about a dozen new Americans who were already registered â" and who had voted as non-citizens in multiple elections."

      • t. Of course, that doesn't mean voter fraud doesn't exist. We know [nationalreview.com] it does:

        That National Review op-ed you linked to has been debunked many times over. It doesn't point to a single actual case of voter fraud that doesn't involve a Trump supporter trying to vote twice in 2016.

        It points to the fact that there are registered voters who either a) don't vote, b) have died, or c) have moved. I can say that I'm a member of group "C", because I've moved across the country in the past three yea

        • by Raenex ( 947668 )

          That National Review op-ed you linked to has been debunked many times over.

          Good, then it should be easy for you to reference such a debunking for the part I quoted.

          It points to the fact that there are registered voters who either a) don't vote, b) have died, or c) have moved.

          Oh, I see. You refuse to read [youtube.com]. Here it is again:

          "In 2015, one Kansas county began offering voter registration at naturalization ceremonies, as Hans A. von Spakovsky and I reported in January at Fox News. Election officials soon discovered about a dozen new Americans who were already registered -- and who had voted as non-citizens in multiple elections."

          • Good, then it should be easy for you to reference such a debunking for the part I quoted.

            I already did, elsewhere in this thread.

            "In 2015, one Kansas county began offering voter registration at naturalization ceremonies, as Hans A. von Spakovsky and I reported in January at Fox News. Election officials soon discovered about a dozen new Americans who were already registered -- and who had voted as non-citizens in multiple elections."

            You'll notice that he doesn't offer any citation or evidence for this anecdo

            • by Raenex ( 947668 )

              I already did, elsewhere in this thread.

              Then link to it.

              You'll notice that he doesn't offer any citation or evidence for this anecdote. Just that it happened.

              https://www.kansas.com/news/po... [kansas.com]

              "Another 34 were identified by the Sedgwick County Election Office when staff attended naturalization ceremonies to register new citizens and discovered some were already registered."

              • https://www.kansas.com/news/po... [kansas.com]

                "Another 34 were identified by the Sedgwick County Election Office when staff attended naturalization ceremonies to register new citizens and discovered some were already registered."

                If you read your link, you will notice that Kris Kobach, who is anything but a neutral observer, offers ZERO EVIDENCE that these things happened, but assures us that they did. Let's see...can we think of any other instances where Kobach lied or whether he had an incentive to do so?

                • by Raenex ( 947668 )

                  If you read your link, you will notice that Kris Kobach, who is anything but a neutral observer, offers ZERO EVIDENCE that these things happened, but assures us that they did.

                  You mean like the conviction he got? From the link:

                  "Victor Garcia Bebek pleaded guilty to voter fraud in April for voting three times between 2012 and 2014.

                  Bebek became a naturalized citizen in early 2017, and it was then that election officials discovered he had previously voted."

                  And this is in Kansas, and only found because he registered to vote after becoming naturalized and he was already registered. Imagine if they seriously looked for cases of illegal immigrants voting in California. Of course, they w

                  • You mean like the conviction he got? From the link:

                    "Victor Garcia Bebek pleaded guilty to voter fraud in April for voting three times between 2012 and 2014.

                    So, in his own state, with all the records at his disposal because he was in charge of running the elections, as Secretary of State, he came up with one case of voter fraud? Kobach finally found a single immigrant he could convict of a voting-related crime? Hold the applause, please. Now let's see you get to the "three million" that Trump claims cost

                    • by Raenex ( 947668 )

                      So, in his own state, with all the records at his disposal because he was in charge of running the elections, as Secretary of State, he came up with one case of voter fraud?

                      Kansas enacted a law to require proof of citizenship years ago, though it's been held up in courts. Earlier cases could not be charged due to statue of limitations. They also had no means to check federal immigration status -- they basically stumbled across these cases when they became naturalized citizens.

                      But even with the heads-up scrutiny, in a low-immigration state, he still got a conviction. Now imagine the kind of shenanigans that are going on in California, which is an official "sanctuary" state.

                      Now let's see you get to the "three million" that Trump claims cost him the popular vote.

                      I do

  • by Plumpaquatsch ( 2701653 ) on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:14PM (#57293308) Journal
    Sounds exactly like the laws in various autocratic countries targeted at "foreign" NGOs protesting human rights violations or decisions by "the great infallible leader",
    • by tkotz ( 3646593 )

      So are you saying that it shouldn't be a crime for foreign organizations to interfere with elections?
      Thus the Mueller probe, based on similar existing laws, is by extension an unethical waste?
      Or is the autocracy supposed to be favorable like "It is good that they have these autocratic laws in place so that Trump can be convicted of something he would get away with in a more laissez faire democracy"
      Or "Anti-democratic laws are bad unless they happen to catch my enemies then great"?

      • So are you saying that it shouldn't be a crime for foreign organizations to interfere with elections?

        No. I am saying that since there are already laws against anyone interfering with elections, there doesn't need to be a Executive Order by the president to bypass that process of law and just kick out people he doesn't like.

  • So, if you *hack* something over the internet to try and influence the election AND you are a foreign national or company, we will add you to the naughty list and not let you do business with the USA?

    Um... I'm just curious how this is going to help anything... It's not like you can stop foreign meddling. They still can attempt to lie to Facebook and buy "issue ads" or engage in troll farm activities from home. The only difference now is that IF we catch you AND we can identify who you are you get put on

  • Can then make political comment, show new meme art from inside USA?
  • America. Every country should post their own anti Trump ads on election day on social media. He can then put sanctions on every country.

  • Trump To Target Foreign Meddling In US Elections With Sanctions Order

    ... and in other news, OJ has not stopped looking for the real killer...

  • If this isn't the fox guarding the hen house, I certainly do not know what is.
  • He always projects his own crimes onto others.

    Always.

  • Emperor Xi's fifty cent army and the Soros-funded "Progressive" troll brigades are going to be outraged - just outraged! - by President Trump's attempt to prevent them from meddling in our elections.

  • Trump To Target Foreign Meddling In US Elections With Sanctions Order

    Does 'foreign' in this case mean democrats, libruls and brown people? Trump is a fucking traitor who is only in the White House because of Vladimir fucking Putin. Like fuck will he 'target foreign meddling'. He is the fucking direct result of foreign meddling. Can't take his tongue out of Vlad's arse for two fucking minutes.

  • But will that also stop the US from meddling in other countries elections? I don't think they will stop that... bunch of hypocrites..
  • We all know why Trump is doing this: his approval rating is abysmal. He seemed more than happy to have Russia hack the U.S. to "steal Hillary's mail", so we know he has no scruples about that.

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