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Bernie Sanders' Second Life Headquarters Besieged by Trump-Supporting Swastikas (vice.com) 230

Wagner James Au, writing for Motherboard (edited and condensed):As Donald Trump continues to ride roughshod over much of the United States, there are multiple reports that Trumps' virtual fans are riding roughshod on Bernie Sanders' unofficial headquarters in Second Life as well. Sanders' spot is in the sim (Second Life region) of Caspoli, with a Bernie 2016 banner that can be seen from satellite. It's a Roman-themed hangout space in a peaceful meadow, where Bernie supporters often gather to share news of their favorite candidate. But lately, the place has been besieged by pro-Trump griefers. [...] During a Bernie rally in Second Life, Sanders support group member Macaria Wind goes on, Trump-supporting demons flew around Bernie's rally, endlessly typing "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!" into text chat.
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Bernie Sanders' Second Life Headquarters Besieged by Trump-Supporting Swastikas

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  • False flag? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Sounds like something Bernie would do for sympathy.

    • Re:False flag? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by mrex ( 25183 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:19PM (#52008283)

      Yeah, without some evidence that these are actual Trump supporters (whom I imagine don't envision themselves to be appropriately represented by *demon* avatars), this really smells of a Something Awful-style false flag attack.

      • It could also just be good old-fashioned trolling. Trump upsets a lot of people, so if I wanted to troll people who support other candidates, I'd pretend to be a Trump supporter too. And then feel dirty afterwards.
    • Re:False flag? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:26PM (#52008353)

      It sounds like something Linden Lab would do to let people know that Second Life still exists, apparently.

      • Re:False flag? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by npslider ( 4555045 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:45PM (#52008531)

        Second Life still exists?!

      • It sounds like something Linden Lab would do to let people know that Second Life still exists, apparently.

        Until I noticed that it was his "unofficial" headquarters (#), I was surprised that politicians like Sanders were even bothering with something whose cyber-savvy-bandwagon-jumping potential peaked a decade ago and which most people have almost forgotten existed.

        Thing is, even then I saw no real evidence that its latest-hot-thing media prominence was matched by the number of people actually using it, no sign that it was remotely mass-market popular in the way that Twitter and Facebook became (or even that

    • Or hillary clinton. maybe even the GOP.

      The GOP only hope to stop trump is an contested convention. Or some kind of the 3rd party candidates that needs to take electoral votes so that no ones get's 270.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:34PM (#52008431)
      Worked too.
    • Re:False flag? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:58PM (#52008637)

      If I wanted to be mean and hex Bernie's SL presence, swastikas would be the last thing I would put up. I would poke fun of his platform by doing something like have a set of unicorns chained to a capstan, labeled Bernie's Energy System. Or how about a theme park called Venezuelaland, with hopeless peasants shooting each other over the last few rolls of toilet paper.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by PopeRatzo ( 965947 )

        If I wanted to be mean and hex Bernie's SL presence, swastikas would be the last thing I would put up.

        But then, you're not some dickhead 8chan/pol type. They would absolutely throw up swastikas, because they're Trump supporters and neo-nazis (I'm sorry, the new term is "ethno-nationalist")

        Not one of them is capable of giving an opinion about Sanders without mentioning that he's Jewish.

    • Bullshit.

      But you're probably right about it being a false-flag operation: it was most likely staged by the Hillary campaign. After all, her campaign already pays shills to spew propaganda on social media sites. With Sanders obviously preparing to exit the race, Hillary is looking ahead to the general election where she'll most likely to fighting Trump, so she's doing her usual dirty tricks to try to make him look bad.

      It could also have been done by the Cruz campaign. After all, they resorted to dirty tri

    • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

      Or it's just trolls who don't support either candidate but are just selecting the most provocative subject for trolling purposes.
      I doubt any genuine trump supporters would want to associate trump with hitler.

  • by OutOnARock ( 935713 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:17PM (#52008249)
    who knew?
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:20PM (#52008287)

      That's actually the real news here.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:34PM (#52008433)

      What I want to know is why /. is wasting our time with such a stupid submission.

      Come on! As I look through the Firehose, I see numerous stories far more relevant, interesting and newsworthy than this pathetic one is.

      And don't suggest that I submit stories. I tried that, and they must have been too relevant or something (they had to do with computing), because they ended up silently discarded. I'm not going to waste my time doing that again!

      Editors, can we please avoid these pointless political submissions? Yeah, they generate a lot of comments, but they're typically useless comments. They're a lot like YouTube comments or Twitter tweets; they're voluminous but extremely low-quality comments. They're far more harmful to Slashdot than they are beneficial.

      • Come on! As I look through the Firehose, I see numerous stories far more relevant, interesting and newsworthy than this pathetic one is.

        Which ones?

    • Both they and Sanders are begging for attention. It's almost sad to watch. The democrats are desperately trying to keep people interested. But what's left to say about Clinton that we don't already know? They should switch their focus to congress, so even if Trump wins he won't get past them.

      • by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:41PM (#52008985)

        It doesn't work that way. The problem is that the Presidential election is normally how Democrats get voters to come vote for Congresspeople; it's largely why they do so poorly in the mid-term elections.

        Bernie is the one who's actually gotten the youth excited about voting; there's some strong parallels between his campaign and Obama's in 2008. Obama won largely because the Democrats got the young voters to turn out, after being inspired by his speeches. However, this didn't quite happen this time: they were inspired by Bernie (but this time there's actually substance because Bernie actually has a long track record in Congress supporting his rhetoric, unlike Obama; the youth learned this lesson), but apparently not enough to win the Primaries for various reasons (too many voters thinking Hillary is "entitled" to be President, dirty tricks by the DNC to help Hillary, blatant fraud in some of the primaries such as Illinois where hand recounts proved the machines lied).

        What could quite possibly happen is that, with the DNC coronating Hillary and pushing Bernie aside, the young voters will be pissed off and disillusioned, and not bother voting. This means the Dems will lose Congressional seats too. The DNC has really shot itself in the foot here IMO. Only appealing to dried-up retirement-age feminists and conservative blacks and then adopting a condescending tone towards the 35-and-under crowd is not a recipe for success in the general election, unless they've engineered some fraudulent results with the voting machines in many places.

        The Democratic Party's biggest problem is voter apathy. They try to pitch themselves as the party for left-leaning (and farther left) voters, minorities, working and lower classes, etc. But then when in office they just kowtow to their big corporate donors, mainly Wall Street and Hollywood, and then whine about how they can't get anything done even when they have control of Congress and the White House, and adopt very centrist and pro-corporate policies. This isn't inspiring to the people they claim to represent, and definitely isn't inspiring to young people who are more idealistic. Polls show that Hillary is downright despised by these young voters. So I really don't see this turning out well for the Dems.

    • Well, some people claim slashdot is still a thing as well... Turns out there are still fans of just about anything you can think of.
  • by ZorinLynx ( 31751 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:17PM (#52008251) Homepage

    It's somewhat comforting to know that nothing has changed in ten years. :)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:18PM (#52008265)
    Politics in the 21st century, folks. It's only going to get weirder.
  • Doubtful (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bsharitt ( 580506 ) <bridget@NoSpAM.sharitt.com> on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:21PM (#52008301) Journal

    There are two things I find unlikely about this story.

    1. That Second Life is still a thing.
    2. That these are actual Trump supporters.

    It's just trolls getting a two-for-one deal. They get to disrupt the Bernie supporters while at the same time painting Trump supporters in a bad(worse?) light.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      I agree, its unlikely these where Trump supporters. The use of the Swastika would not be something that a real supporter would want associated with Trump.

      So the question is who would benefit from something like this?

      I've got two suspects right off the top of my head, in order of likely hood;
      supporters of Hillary or supporters of Cruz.

      • by SirSlud ( 67381 )

        The use of the Swastika would not be something that a real supporter would want associated with Trump.

        Ah, the old "No True Stormfront User" argument. Pretty darn naive.

        • The use of the Swastika would not be something that a real supporter would want associated with Trump.

          Ah, the old "No True Stormfront User" argument. Pretty darn naive.

          Taking the story at face value is also pretty naive.
          Most people saw how Trump not instantly condemning the klan (even though he did so many times before and after) hurt him. Any supporter of his, even if they were zombie nazis, would know to keep that part under the radar.

          Trump is in fact backing Bernie saying that Bernie is being screwed out of winning the primaries by Hillary and the democrat party.

          • Trump is in fact backing Bernie saying that Bernie is being screwed out of winning the primaries by Hillary and the democrat party.

            Trump was right on the money with that comment, however I wouldn't call it "backing Bernie": he could very well want to see Bernie run as an independent in order to "split the vote".

            • That's EXACTLY what Trump wants.

              Much as it pains me to say it, the only way Sanders should mount an independent run is if Trump ends up running as an independent due to GOP finding a way to deny him the nomination.

              Jane Sanders gave an interview where she discussed Trump's campaign advice...

              http://www.salon.com/2016/04/2... [salon.com]

        • "Pretty darn naive."

          Yeah, recent events in my life have kept me from really keeping up to speed on everything that is going on in the world.

          So what is your take on this story? From your comment I get the impression that you feel you have a better grasp on whats going on.

          Or am I just being naive again thinking you know what your talking about? :)

          (but seriously, that do you think about it?)

    • for certain things SL is still very much a thing. Like music.

      will give you #2 though. SL is the internet, people troll just for fun. I personally would have gone in as Cthulu to voice support for Trump.

    • Oh second Life is still a thing. As for number two well that I dont know.

  • by NotDrWho ( 3543773 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:24PM (#52008327)

    Are we sure that all of this wasn't a PR stunt designed to let people know that Second Life is still a thing that apparently still exists?

  • by markhb ( 11721 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:33PM (#52008423) Journal

    In other news, water is wet.

  • I felt the Bern once. A quick trip to the doctor and a round of antibiotics fixed it right up. Seriously, don't go near the strippers...they nasty.
  • Am I old, or do most young people find this fucking ridiculous, too?

  • by eepok ( 545733 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:04PM (#52008689) Homepage
    No Trump supporter would associate Trumps campaign with a swastika. That would hurt Trump's campaign. The same goes for anyone attempting a false flag attack.

    Instead, this was done by people satirizing Trump supporters as brash bullies and mocking Trump's rhetoric as Nazi-reminiscent.

    It's not a hard distinction to understand, but apparently the article's author had some difficulty making the connection.
    • No Trump supporter would associate Trumps campaign with a swastika. That would hurt Trump's campaign. The same goes for anyone attempting a false flag attack.

      In a political context, "false flag" is different from its normal meaning of recruiting unwitting double agents; it means slandering your opposition by associating them with something disagreeable. As a result, a false flag attack on Trump would be people waving swastikas at his rallies, and a similar attack on Bernie would be people waving Soviet fla

  • by foradoxium ( 2446368 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:09PM (#52008753)

    "As Donald Trump continues to ride roughshod over much of the United States,"

    There's nothing like opening up with a preamble showing your bias..

  • by Trachman ( 3499895 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:44PM (#52009013) Journal

    Many of the Bernie supporters spend a lot of time with computers and on the internets.

    Expect more and more association by guilt. I will not be voting for Trump (I will not be voting for anyone, as a matter of principle), but trying to tie Trump is with nazis is absurd.

    I am also getting sense, that anyone who is perceived as Trump leaning gets zero pointed here /. pronto.

  • Cove Story for Realtor Magazine, 2007

    http://realtormag.realtor.org/... [realtor.org]

  • Anybody who still thinks Second Life matters, really, really, REALLY needs to get a first life!
  • by AC-x ( 735297 ) on Thursday April 28, 2016 @06:12PM (#52009545)

    Yeah, I don't think that Swastika Trump logo flag is pro-Trump, looks more like 4chan messing around. No doubt next it'll be invaded by flying penises and afroguys chanting "Pool's closed due to AIDS".

    • They were invaded by penises when Trump's supporters arrived. Whether or not some of them were pilots, I really couldn't say.

  • ..this never ends up as one of those many cases of life imitating art.

  • by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Thursday April 28, 2016 @06:37PM (#52009691)

    Is there any doubt at all in the minds of sane people that 100% of White Supremacists and neo-Nazis who actually intend to vote in the coming US federal election will cast their vote for a Republican?

    This certainly shortens the list of suspects in this situation.

  • by TheSync ( 5291 )

    When is Second Life going to work in Oculus Rift????

  • This election season, man... It's a wild ride. It'd be funnier if it wasn't actually really important.
  • How exactly does a swastika support Trump? A swastika is an image, it doesn't have a brain or anything, so isn't capable of making decisions or supporting campaigns.

  • I don't believe these are Trump supporters. They're probably Bernie supporters, or Hilary supporters.

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