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There Will Be A Huge New 'Panama Papers' Data Dump (businessinsider.com) 110

An anonymous reader writes: The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists said in an email that on May 9 it would "publish what will likely be the largest-ever release of information about secret offshore companies and the people behind them," based on data from the Panama Papers investigation. "The searchable database will include information about more than 200,000 companies, trusts, foundations, and funds incorporated in 21 tax havens, from Hong Kong to Nevada in the United States." The ICIJ said in the email, "The impact of Panama Papers has been epic." The investigation has caused Icelandic Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson to resign following revelations about his personal finances. It has caused Putin to point fingers at the West, accusing the U.S. of trying to weaken Russia. It has even created drama in the UK with calls for Prime Minister David Cameron to resign after his connections to offshore companies became evident. In addition, the ICIJ said, "[The Panama Papers investigation] sparked a new sense of urgency among lawmakers and regulators to close loopholes and make information about the owners of shell companies public."
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There Will Be A Huge New 'Panama Papers' Data Dump

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  • by Alomex ( 148003 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:12PM (#52000787) Homepage

    largest-ever release of information about secret offshore companies and the people behind them

    Actually there is so much data that this is possibly the largest release of a coherent text collection of any kind, secret or not.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:14PM (#52000797)
    Ha, I'll believe it when I see it. If they're wealthy enough to take full advantage of these tax havens then they're wealthy enough to escape repercussion.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    John Kerry is dirty [google.com]

  • Cool, it can't happen soon enough. The trilateral Commission needs their dirty laundry aired so us regular people have a chance in life.

    • Are we finally gonna get to the (slavering) DIRTY AMERICANS?!!
    • The Trilateral Commission? Really?

      Your tinfoil hat is about 40 years out of date.

  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:18PM (#52000827) Homepage Journal

    The sad truth is those "punished" for tax avoidance so far in the UK (the PM), Canada (a number of families using UK offshore tax havens), and Africa have mostly ...

    Not ... Gone to jail.

    Or suffered any real penalty other than paying, without excess interest owing, the taxes they avoided.

    What we need here, other than a few quick drone strikes until they all pay up, are RICO triple damage confiscations, including trust funds for kids and houses and yachts, and JAIL TIME.

    Which has not happened so far.

    • This X 1000. Jail time is the only thing that makes some people slow down and think.

    • by wardrich86 ( 4092007 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:32PM (#52000911)
      Assuming some of these people are the same people making profit off of privatized jails... would they actually make more money by throwing themselves in jail?
    • The problem is that the laws (written by lawyers and legislators, many of whom use these vehicles of financial obscurity) are written with relatively little penalties in them.

      Sure, the law says you must pay your taxes, but there's no penalty clauses in there for doing the kinds of things that the lawmakers themselves are engaged in.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      AND? How is 'tax avoidance' a crime? I'm not talking about 'outright lying' on a tax return but moving money in such a way as to minimize the tax paid...people do this ALL the time. I haven't outright moved money but I look for every legal angle to reduce my tax bill, does that make me a 'bad person'? A 'criminal'? (heck I have purposely NOT taking a deduction that I felt I was 'morally'/ethically entitled to but didn't because of the potential fallout on others who are struggling) I'm not going to get all

      • The US fought TWO wars in Iraq costing many hundreds of billions of dollars (maybe a trillion...I'm not up on the exact figures)

        Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq cost the U.S. $2+ TRILLION [rand.org] and that does not include the ongoing costs to pay for the medical expenses of the thousands of soldiers who were injured.
    • Tax avoidance - the LEGAL minimisation of taxation due.
      Tax evasion - the ILLEGAL minimisation of tax due.

      Evasion gets you a cell mate, avoidance does not.

      Regardless of your own views of what should constitute avoidance/ evasion these people do not appear to have done anything illegal.
        Whether it is moral is another question.
      • by jbr439 ( 214107 )

        In the case of Canada, it can be seen by even a layperson that the particular use of an Isle of Man tax haven was tax evasion with just enough lipstick on it to be able to later claim, in an emergency, 'gosh, I didn't realize that was a pig I was kissing'. Look up the details of it and tell me how any reasonable person could think what was being done was legal tax avoidance.

      • by jbr439 ( 214107 )

        In the case of Canada, it can be seen by even a layperson that the particular use of an Isle of Man tax haven was tax evasion with just enough lipstick on it to be able to later claim, in an emergency, 'gosh, I didn't realize that was a pig I was kissing'. Look up the details of it and tell me how any reasonable person could think what was being done was legal tax avoidance. !

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      That's because in most countries, you have to actually investigate and do a financial audit before you start punishing people. I know, difficult to understand and all that. A few weeks back when all of this came to light the Canada Revenue Agency(IRS for Americans), directed their investigators to get a hold of and start investigating the papers for those who failed to pay their taxes or were hiding assets.

      • The OP also seems to want the FBI to arrest Canadian tax evaders and charge them with violating US racketeering laws, or kill them in drone strikes.

        As an American, I'd prefer not to suddenly take over responsibility for enforcing Canadian law or blow up Canadian citizens. I have a feeling all of Canada agrees with me on that.

    • So, the DoJ should file RICO charges against foreign nationals for possible crimes committed against the sovereign nations of which they are citizens, while in said nations? Have you never heard of jurisdiction?

      What you suggest is entirely absurd. If an Englishman is evading UK taxes, that's a matter for the UK. Not the US. Yet you seem to want to use the US military and legal code to enforce foreign tax laws in foreign nations. I could stand next to you with a megaphone, screaming "STUPID!" in your

  • Rich people use tax shelters. Yawn.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      OMG???? Really???? You mean that having an account in the Cayman's is not just something people do in the movies?

      I'm shocked... shocked!

  • by king neckbeard ( 1801738 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:55PM (#52001079)
    One disappointing thing about the last leak is that it basically had no US connections. A leak that included US clients could probably bring down Clinton, Trump, and half of Congress.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Which leads smart people to believe that this is a false flag operation from the CIA. That's how they be.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        what about the president of the firm's numerous postings over the last decade about refusing business to US clients.... CIA long con.

      • No... Even an idiot should recognize that as absurd. From pretty much any direction you could approach it.
    • US companies don't use Panama as an anonymous tax shelter. They use Belize.

      The dump was from a Panamanian law firm that set up shell companies. Europeans like Panama. US companies like Belize. And, sometimes, Barbados.

      • If that's the case, why was there a push in Congress to pass a Panama specific free trade deal in 2012? It's not like Panama has such a huge economy that a special free trade deal was warranted-- and Bernie predicted it would result in more tax shelter shenanigans, which of course, it did. There would be no point in that if there weren't wealthy people in the US pushing for it.
    • One disappointing thing about the last leak is that it basically had no US connections. A leak that included US clients could probably bring down Clinton, Trump, and half of Congress.

      If I were running for president, losing, and clean on this, I certainly wouldn't suspend my campaign until the dump hits the net.

  • Soros (Score:5, Interesting)

    by labnet ( 457441 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @06:57PM (#52001089)

    Not much gets into main stream media without puppeteers pulling strings: And when I hear the Soros foundation is partially bankrolling this, you gotta ask why.

    Quote from infowars.

    The Panama Papers expose offshore tax havens in Switzerland, the Bahamas, Grand Cayman, and Panama, but says nothing about a new arrangement legalized under FATCA, the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act.

    The law “makes the parking of dirty US money abroad practically impossible. So where does that money go instead—it stays in the US,” writes Zero Hedge. “And, to top it off, there is one specific firm which is spearheading the conversion of the U.S. into Panama: Rothschild.”

    The international bankster institution opened a trust company in Reno, Nevada. “It is now moving the fortunes of wealthy foreign clients out of offshore havens such as Bermuda, subject to the new international disclosure requirements, and into Rothschild-run trusts in Nevada, which are exempt,” Bloomberg reports. The United States “is effectively the biggest tax haven in the world,” boasted Andrew Penny of Rothschild. One of the world’s largest providers of offshore accounts, Trident Trust, opened an office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

    http://www.infowars.com/soros-... [infowars.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Not much gets into main stream media without puppeteers pulling strings: And when I hear the Soros foundation is partially bankrolling this, you gotta ask why.

      Because his foundation is the Open Society Foundation, "with a stated aim of advancing justice, education, public health and independent media" (as per Wikipedia [wikipedia.org])...?

      • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

        by labnet ( 457441 )

        A name does not equal purpose.

        We have 'The Safe Schools Program', whos stated aim is 'the prevention of bullying in schools', but has now been revealed as primarily driven by LGBTI activists (Ros Ward) to introduce primary school aged children to alternative sexual lifestyles, which smacks of marxism (ie the state knows better than parents, so shut up)

    • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:43PM (#52001339)

      You might want to try and find someone a little more credible than Alex Jones (9/11 truther, gold bug, serial martial law predictor, etc) if you want me to take a theory at all seriously.

      • Hey, there's a quote in there from someone named Zero Hedge. If that isn't credible, I don't know what is.
    • Re:Soros (Score:4, Funny)

      by quintessencesluglord ( 652360 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:01PM (#52001425)

      Dude, you know the drill!

      First you have to do a 5 paragraph screed about the evils of money in politics with subtle hints that the Koch Bros are in league with Satan (or big oil. Same difference really).

      Then you do at least 7 posts of how Republicans are out to eat babies, rape your grandmother, and cheat at softball.

      And then you mention Soros as a half-assed et tu and mention the CCX in passing before the popcorn starts.

    • Please, never quote or link to www.infowars.com.

      It's a website for nut-job conspiracy 'theorists.'

    • I have good news for you! The mainstream media wasn't involved! At all. The ICIJ specifically excluded them!
    • by jbr439 ( 214107 )

      Too true.
      The US refuses to sign on to the OECD Common Reporting Standard automatic exchange of information, and refuses to implement true reciprocity in FATCA IGAs. The result is that the US will be the last tax haven standing. Hypocrisy abounds.

  • Now we need stronger laws to prosecute and jail these criminals. Or they will just walk away, making the entire process futile.
    • Who's "we"? If you mean America, then it really doesn't matter how strong the laws are. We could make it a capital offence and it won't make one bit of difference. Because the US doesn't collect Swiss taxes from Swiss citizens, or punish them for evading said taxes. Our laws don't apply outside the US and we don't enforce other nation's tax laws for them.
  • by davidwr ( 791652 ) on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @07:17PM (#52001211) Homepage Journal

    I predict that future tax havens won't store client information online.

    The "true, beneficial ownership" information will all be stored on a non-connected computer network or maybe even in paper ledgers.

    Good luck getting at that without walking in and physically stealing it (or bribing/coercing a bank employee to make you a copy).

    • An air-gapped computer still has to have trusted people accessing it, hence each person represents a potential point of failure. The more updating these air-gapped computer records require the more frequent the on-site people use the air-gapped computers and the more opportunity any of them can copy data to a portable storage device. Leaks happen because people in-the-know who have a conscience choose to publish the confidential records. This predates the use of computers.

      • True, it is very hard to prevent a leak if your people lose faith in you.

        But air-gapping makes an un-assisted attack by a hostile outside party much, much harder. The outside party is reduce to only a couple of options: Dupe/social-engineer the people into doing their bidding (think stuxnet and the poisoned USB drives), or gaining physical access. That leaves a much lower attack surface than an internet-connected system.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @08:09PM (#52001457)

    The reason the Panama Papers are failing to make the impact they should is because nobody trusts the media anymore.

    We are expected to believe that the same class which protects the interests of the wealthy and which prosletyes their neoliberal ideology has somehow enough concern for us lower castes, or for abstract concepts like "justice" or "fairness", that they will report on this impartially. Excuse me, but even if this massive group of PR-powdered international journalism extraordinaies is in fact legitimate and not just the twitter stunt they appear to be, even if they are legit, why should I believe the media this time around?

    Journalists have cried wolf, stayed silent, and betrayed the public trust too many times to be taken seriously now. The media has morphed from a fourth estate, into the new first estate. So when I see a campaign like this, I see only the new international priesthood, condemning some sin. I await their indulgences to be paid.

    • Sorry, but what does our trust in the media have to do with anything? The government does not give a single fuck what the people thing or believe. Not a single fuck.
      The people are not the ones prosecuting people.
      The only outcome is what you always get. Your Clintons and what not say, OH NO!! We are gonna solve this together and those who responsible parties shall be looked at very closely, blah blah blah.
      In the then nothing at all will happen. How could it? The ones who make he laws are the ones breaking th

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