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Israeli Vulture Suspected of Spying Returned 109

New submitter red crab writes: BBC reports that a griffon vulture with GPS tracking device attached to its leg that was part of conservation program at Tel Aviv University was captured in Lebanon after it was suspected to be a Israeli spy. UN Liaison forces helped secure the release of the bird after holding talks with Lebanese and Israeli officials.
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Israeli Vulture Suspected of Spying Returned

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  • Well d'oh! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 31, 2016 @10:53PM (#51411713)

    In the Arab and Muslim worlds, if anything is in any way associated with Israel, it's perfectly obvious that it's nefarious - I'm surprised they didn't think it was the "vulture of doom, spreading biological weapons" or some such.

    The Arab POV on Israel is so one sided as to be cartoonish.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Yeah, this remind me of Saddam Hussein's weapon of mass destruction we are still searching. Complete paranoia, and totally one sided.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by cold fjord ( 826450 )

        *COUGH!* Boy, that line of yours just never gets old, does it?

        Iraq's 'hidden' chemical weapons: US 'covered up' discovery of chemical weapons after 2003 invasion – with many are now in Isis’s hands []

        “'Nothing of significance' is what I was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired Army major who was present when more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets were found in a single compound in 2006.

        Jarrod Taylor, a former Army sergeant who witnessed the disposal of mustard shells that burned two members of his company, told the Times the public has been misled for a decade. “I love it when I hear, ‘Oh there weren’t any chemical weapons in Iraq,’ ” he said. “There were plenty.”

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Aren't you tired of fighting Israel's war? We need to close our border and let these idiots, on both side, fend for themselves. Fuck these bronze age retards.

          I see no reason to open our country to immigration unless unemployment is 0% AND the existing immigrants are fully assimilated.

          We don't need to deport anyone with his simple measure, the problem will solve itself as the fanatic that refuse assimilation will face more difficulty functioning and therefore should produce less offspring. Once society retur

          • You'll have to be more specific. It isn't clear if you are talking about Europe, the US, or Israel for closing its borders and so on.

            You should be clear that the US will defend itself when attacked, such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11, both made on US soil. The war in Iraq was an outgrowth of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.

        • So if the usa discovered those chemical weapons in 2006 why where they transported away and disposed of?

          There is a 6 year gap in there. I know the US government is slow but why didn't they do something about those weapons back then?

        • by AC-x ( 735297 )

          From that article:

          Yet all the chemical weapons found by soldiers were manufactured before 1991, the Times reported. They consisted largely of 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter rockets – not designed for mass destruction, and produced in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.

          According to the Times, the reports were embarrassing for the Pentagon because, in five of the six incidents in which troops were wounded by chemical agents, the munitions appeared to have been “designed in the US, manufactured in Europe and filled in chemical agent production lines built in Iraq by Western companies”.

        • No one is saying there weren't any chemical weapons, the West sold the things to Saddam Hussein in the first place, and his earlier use of them against the Kurds and opponents is well documented.

          The point is that the whole "weapon of mass destruction" story was grossly over-exaggerated. Bush and Blair made out that Saddam Hussein had the capability to launch long range targeted weapons capable of causing multiple thousands of deaths in Western cities. That is in a totally different league from dropping c

      • Yeah, this remind me of Saddam Hussein's weapon of mass destruction we are still searching. Complete paranoia, and totally one sided.

        Oh, look, found them! []
        Glad I could help.

        I too think there's quite a bit of really bizar non-sense that went down with the Iraq invasion.
        However, you should keep two things in mind before flinging around the words "totally one-sided":

        1.) Between desert storm and the invarion the UN issued 16 (that's sixteen, as in four more than a dozen) *ultimate* resolutions against

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Animals could certainly be, and have been, used to carry small packages for spying purposes. The derisive tone of the media blasts on this story clearly are meant to ridicule these fears and make those who are jumpy about Israel appear ridiculous, but these facts combined with the state of mistrust that residents of its neighbors feel towards high tech and aggressive Israel make the reaction more than understandable. The fact that some villagers found a bird carrying strange Israeli electronics and reported

      • Well said. Wish I had a mod point for you. The story sounds a bit like the plot to a "Dad's army" episode about a carrier pigeon, but the fear and mistrust (on both sides) is a rational response to their environment.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        > but these facts combined with the state of mistrust that residents of its neighbors feel towards high tech and aggressive Israel make

        Whilst I'm rather unimpressed with the fact Israel keeps voting in these hard right leaders that genuinely do make their problems worse, this sort of attitude is why I have little sympathy for Israel haters because it's basically the exact opposite of reality.

        At the end of the day Israel really just isn't aggressive, if Israel was aggressive then it's surrounding opponent

      • a bird carrying strange Israeli electronics

        I bet the GPS tracker was made in China.

  • I guess (Score:4, Funny)

    by burtosis ( 1124179 ) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @10:53PM (#51411715)
    In the end they flipped them the bird.
  • Those vultures!

  • suspected? (Score:5, Funny)

    by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:10PM (#51411777)
    this was a spy swap for the Lebanese osprey.
    • Part of the deal involves exiling the vulture Stateside, with a scholarship to a decent law school.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Imagine the intensity of the interrogations. The relentless staring, poking and clawing.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      Don't tell Lebanon their osprey was Terned.

  • by fred911 ( 83970 ) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:13PM (#51411787)

    Surely it would be equipped with explosives, not GPS.

  • As Israel might be trying to make new drones that US cannot spy on!!!

  • by flopsquad ( 3518045 ) on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:22PM (#51411831)
    The media is trying to spin this as no big deal, but the secret terms of the exchange required Isreal to release 2 convicted Hezbollah attack pigeons, a weapons-smuggling-tunnel canary, and an ill-tempered parrot that keeps saying either "Yasser Arafat" or "Yes sir, you're fat."
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 01, 2016 @12:00AM (#51411913)

    The Arab press is filled with fairy tale stories about israel and about Jews. I remember a few years ago one story was circulating that israel was dropping poisoned candy to children on gaza. Then there was the story that aids was created by Jewish doctors to afflict the Palestinians. Then there was the one the israel was organ trafficking palestinians. Etc. Etc. Etc. The vulture story is frankly rather mild, if amusing. Much of the paranoid conspiracy theory about israel's and Jews on the Arab world could be rooted right off the pages of Nazi propaganda rags. Why this kind of trash is actually believed in the Arab world is another story entirely, but illustrates wht it's so hard for the two parties to come to compromises - if one side believes the other is capable of such inhuman Acts, it's no surprise they won't compromise.

    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      How about this Israeli generals son for a fairy story, very interesting interpretation of events [] and very interesting changes in time line as presented by main stream media under the direction of Mossad and well, the history as presented by the Israeli.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      And... then the Israeis justify considerable paranoia by secretly or against their will injecting refugees with birth control drugs.


      Not all paranoia is wrong.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The western media is full of Israeli shills spreading their Hasbara, just like you.

    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Monday February 01, 2016 @06:06AM (#51412689) Journal
      Such stories are common in any dictatorship or conflict. Look at Russia, Turkey, Venezuela. Bizarre, improbably stories of "foreign agitators". As they say, the first victim of any war is the truth.
  • by kopo ( 890010 ) on Monday February 01, 2016 @12:15AM (#51411959)
    There's an entire Wikipedia article [] about this phenomenon.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Will be shooting suspicious birds out of the sky suspecting they have other religious nut jobs spy tech on them.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    This foolishness is motivated by religious conflicts where it's Jews vs. Christians vs. Muslims. All believe they're correct and have a god-given right to live in a particular spot. Furthermore, they believe god authorizes using all means necessary to evict others from those locations or force them to convert. As long as religion is permitted, these issues will continue. Of course the bird wasn't a threat to Lebanon or anyone else, nor was its GPS tracker. But this is the type of stupidity that occurs when

  • by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Monday February 01, 2016 @06:18AM (#51412717) Journal
    It's Tel Aviv university. Not exactly a high-tech hub. If the vulture was from Technion, that would be a different story.
  • "I gave zem nussink!"

  • It was supposed to be the VULTURE SQUADRON and they were supposed to stop the PIGEON. This is really all because those Lebanese hate men.
  • English isn't my first language. Was quite surprised initially.

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