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Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Is Now Chairing Lessig's Presidential Bid 119

Funksaw sends a followup to Tuesday's news that Lawrence Lessig is pondering a presidential campaign: Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales is now chairing the committee for Lessig's campaign. Wales said, "Larry's run for President is different. He's crowdfunding his campaign instead of seeking out rich donors. He's showing people that we can change the rigged political system. ... The Internet community came together to fight back against SOPA and we were successful. Now we’re behind Lessig to fight for citizen equality." Lessig's goal is to raise a million dollars by September 7, and they're already at roughly $300,000. Relatedly, Newsweek had a brief interview with Lessig over his potential campaign, and Eric Posner wrote an insightful piece about it at Slate.
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Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Is Now Chairing Lessig's Presidential Bid

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  • Nice of them to split the left vote.

  • headline says it all
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Jimbo needs to fix Wikipedia first by grtting rid of abusive admins and deletionists.

  • Any candidate that has a poll on their "plan" page that even entertains the notion of Jon Stewart and Neil Degrasse Tyson for VP has already convinced me to stop listening.

  • by Fire_Wraith ( 1460385 ) on Saturday August 15, 2015 @10:50PM (#50325023)
    It's the Campaign Platform Anyone can Edit!
  • by slowdeath ( 2836529 ) on Saturday August 15, 2015 @11:01PM (#50325047)

    If I'm going to support a candidate for the job of POTUS I expect them to get elected and then do the f***ing job for at least four years.
    If he says he will be a one term president up front I then applaud him for that. But getting elected so he can resign makes no sense.
    Go back to academia where you can play what if. We need a real POTUS committed to the job of running the country.

  • by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Saturday August 15, 2015 @11:12PM (#50325065)

    ... "crowd funding" in politics is ancient. And I'd point out that most crowdfunding systems have no problem with rich donors. Go to kickstarter... scroll down... they've got prizes for people that give 10k. Generally involves people going to some stupid party with the developer or them inserting you into their work or something.

    There's nothing new about Larry's campaign. Guy that founded Wikipedia likes him? Okay... that's interesting sort of... but the crowdfunding argument? I'm not such a low information voter that that doesn't pass the smell test.

    • Ron could raise a million dollars in a weekend, and he did it 25.00 to 50.00 at a time. That's called real grass roots.

    • ... "crowd funding" in politics is ancient. And I'd point out that most crowdfunding systems have no problem with rich donors. Go to kickstarter... scroll down... they've got prizes for people that give 10k. Generally involves people going to some stupid party with the developer or them inserting you into their work or something.

      Give 500K and get an ambassadorship? [washingtonpost.com]

      • It wasn't the first time that happened.

        Ambassadorships are sort of an anachronism at this point in many cases as well.

        The two sides of the typical argument are this:

        Side 1: I should be an ambassador because I helped get the president elected and he knows who I am so if I say X to him in the coming years he'll take me seriously.

        Side 2: I should be an ambassador because I've been a diplomat all my life and know how to the state department works.

        What they rarely point out is that neither side tends to speak th

        • I think the best defence of the practice I saw is that because the rich donors take the postings to nice countries the troublesome countries are the ones who actually get talented diplomats as ambassadors.

          I agree it's mostly a prestige position but it is one where you're still summoned to meet heads of state and/or senior officials, the important stuff is handled higher up but I think it's still a concern because they will be doing something for which they're not the best person for the job. It's also essen

          • As to corruption, sure... but the point I'm making is that the entire job is mostly an anachronism.

            If I am a head of state, and I have just run of the mill stuff to conduct with the US state department then I don't care who I'm talking to. I'm filing paper work. I don't care who they are. It could be no one. I could email it to the US state department. What the fuck do I care.

            if its something more serious then I also do not want to talk to the ambassador because what the fuck is he going to do for me? He ha

  • Only one issue? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Saturday August 15, 2015 @11:17PM (#50325077) Homepage

    If he has only one bill he wants to pass, and then resign, that doesn't seem like much of a vision to me. The country can't be "fixed" by changing one law. I'd rather elect somebody who has a vision with a bit more scope.

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    • by udippel ( 562132 )

      No, the country can't be 'fixed' by changing one law. And Lessig doesn't say so.

      But no amounts of laws can 'fix' a country that is governed by people who could only make it into government by buy-ing into politics of powerful sponsors. Sponsors who expect the elected ones to push for the policies of the 'generous' sponsors.
      So make it two steps: First remove the decision of the sponsors on who can become a candidate. Second, get candidates that are determined by the (voter) population alone.

      • You sound like a true believer. Unfortunately, I'm much more cynical, I don't trust what ANY politician says, not even Lessig.

    • by kyubre ( 1186117 )

      Unfortunately the world will not pause for two to four years while we make needed repairs to our political infrastructure.

      While I commend his bravado and focus, he must enumerate some credentials and contingency plans for the full spectrum of responsibilities required of a commander and chief of the worlds (currently) most pre-eminent military and commercial power before I can even toss a copper into his tip jar.

    • The more important question... what happens when he can't get his law passed? It would never get through Congress. Even if he found some miraculous way to get it through Congress that would probably take an entire term. What else is he going to do in that time? It seems like it would be a better move for him to work as an advisor to someone like Sanders instead, who also wants to address the problem of money in politics.
      • Hey, I think you're on to something! Since the law can't possibly get passed, that means Lessig wouldn't actually have to resign, there would be no broken promise if he stayed around for the entire term...making him no different from every other politician out there.

  • ...that contributors will have their contributions blocked or reversed at the behest of vindictive campaign insiders without explanation or appeal in order to stroke the insiders' petty egos?

  • Jeez, this is like reading Xinhua News. Just a collective ignoring of the fact that all these people are on the far left of politics, and instead pretending that "the internet community" is some sort of monolithic bloc that supports this. SOPA wasn't a divisive issue, it was something everyone could get behind. But come on, simply presenting statements like "Now we're behind Lessig to fight for citizen equality" with no context? Look at how it assumes the sale and doesn't give anyone the chance to raise

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Yeah Democracy ie Proportional Representation, is a pretty far left idea.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        See? You just did it again. Sarcastically assuming that democracy is totally on your side, your own far left ideas are the only possible ones, and that anyone who disagrees with you must be a bad person because they're against democracy. How about being pro-democracy and anti-leftist? If your conception of politics is so narrow as to exclude this viewpoint, then you're part of the problem I stated above.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by quax ( 19371 )

          As somebody who grew up in a country with proportional representation I find the notion that this is somehow "left" rather bizarre.

          • by m2943 ( 1140797 )

            As somebody who grew up in a country with proportional representation, I agree: proportional representation is not particularly left wing, it is something that political extremists in general like, whether on the left or on the right. It turns a parliament into a collection of many small parties with extremist viewpoints and unstable, unpredictable coalitions.

            Proportional representation also gives those political parties enormous power over their party members (since "proportionality" is determined at the p

            • It turns a parliament into a collection of many small parties with extremist viewpoints and unstable, unpredictable coalitions.

              As opposed to what we have in the U.S. now, which is two giant monolithic parties who don't really represent anyone except their own politicians' desire to maintain the status quo.

            • by quax ( 19371 )

              Germany has a nice mix, that allows for local candidates as well as proportionality (two votes system).

              Extremists are kept out via a 5% threshold that a party need to clear to get into the government.

              German governments tend to be very stable, and the count of conservative chancellors outweighs the left of center one (they also tend to govern longer, i.e. Merkel, Kohl).

              Also political aristocracy like you have in Japan is quite alien to Germany.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Perhaps you should see the science, your political views are bizarre and don't align with reality. The USA is so far right its falling off the edge of the globe. It's technically a hyper fascist state with 2 parties that believe the same things.

          There is no left wing party in america.

          See the science on human reasoning the human mind is REALLY bad at reality

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

          Look at these numbers and tell us again how left america is?

          https://imgur.com/a/FShfb

          http://www2.ucsc.edu/who

          • Numbers from far-left news sources indicate that America needs a far-left government? How does that work exactly?

            Maybe America doesn't want a far-left party. Ever considered that? No, because the only government you consider valid is one that agrees with your own beliefs.

            "Though liberals do a great deal of talking about hearing other points of view, it sometimes shocks them to learn that there are other points of view."
            -- William F. Buckley, 1964

          • by m2943 ( 1140797 )

            There is no left wing party in america.

            Yes, there are no socialist or communist parties. There are also no fascist or Christian parties. Great, isn't it? I hope we can keep it that way, rather than turning into Europe.

            Look at these numbers and tell us again how left america is? https://imgur.com/a/FShfb [imgur.com]

            And if you look at these numbers, you can see how good that is: http://www.heritage.org/index/... [heritage.org]

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Yes, when it's proportional representation, it's mob rule. It's what lefties want when they are in the majority, but scream and holler about when they're in the minority. Sorry, hypocrisy is not morally justified.

      • by m2943 ( 1140797 )

        Your "ie" is wrong. Proportional representation is only one of many forms of democracy, and not a very good one.

    • by udippel ( 562132 )

      How interesting, your comparison of Lessig's campaign and Xinhua News. Is it?
      Some mods seem to think so, I don't. Since i have no mods points, I have to write that is more of OT.
      Lessig's campaign is not without context either.
      Enough.

    • by m2943 ( 1140797 )

      Western journalists are under no such oppressive restrictions and deliberately do such things of their own free will. Which system is worse?

      Western journalists are poor sobs, with no valuable skills other than networking and rhetoric. If they want to have any sort of career, they need to suck up to politicians and/or create outrage, preferably both.

      • If you flunk out of Calculus and they won't let you into the English Department you transfer to J-School. You get to stand around the lit tables in the student union talking to cute chicks and it counts for course credit.

  • Lessig wants Proportional Representation via his Citizen Equality Act and ranked choice voting system.

    If he manages to achieve that for the USA then it will be a huge historical leap forward.

    It will mean the introduction of democracy to the USA - long overdue.

    • by udippel ( 562132 )

      Some mods are trying hard to mod down not on objective reasons, but on political and subjective dis-/agreement. Sad.
      Don't take the down-mod too seriously. Probably your last sentence infuriated a proud US citizen.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They want to elect a 'reform' president who will serve only long enough to turn it over to a "biz-as-usual" VP from their same party and who were pigs sucking at the public swill they now seek to reform, just like the other party. Delusional idiots. Usefull idiots to the demokrats perhaps.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I nominate Bennet Hasselton for president. He's the president we deserve, but not the one we need. Imagine the 400 page state of the union address he would write every year.

  • Lessig is a fanatic by Churchill's definition: he can't change his mind and won't change the subject. That alone makes him unfit to be President. That he's a raving left-wing kook is just icing on the cake.

    • Hmmm... Sadly, you're probably right. Even if you seem to think being either right or left is an intelligent means of measuring ones merits.

      It's a terrible shame the best candidates in 2015 to represent the American people is Sanders and Trump. I kinda wish we'd dump the presidency for consulship. A joint Trump/Sanders administration would be an excellent team of representation.
  • Trump is selling low taxes, greatness deserved by lethargic individuals for simply having been squeezed from a vagina in such a manor as to qualify for US citizenship, and of course hate and fear.

    Lets be honest, wasting time and money to beat Trump is futile. You simply can't prevail over stupid.

    Oh... I feel with absolute certainty that Trump is the optimal representative of the vast majority of the American people. I will actually register to vote for the first time and vote for him. I hate his guts, I bel
  • by jmac_the_man ( 1612215 ) on Sunday August 16, 2015 @08:25AM (#50326051)
    Lessig is the founder of the MAYDAY Political Action Committee, which is officially nonpartisan, right?

    I spent the past two years pointing out that if you're trying to convince someone you're nonpartisan, you shouldn't name your PAC after a communist holiday. Or rail against how money from big corporations is distorting the political system because they give most of their money to one side. (In practice, big business needs to be friends with whoever's in power, so they give money to both sides roughly evenly.) Or rail against money from big corporations, while other big special interest money (i.e. from labor unions), which is actually donated one-sidedly.

    Now that he's running for the Democratic Party's nomination... NOW can we agree that he's a leftist and his PAC was leftist?

  • The trouble with trying to keep money out of politics is that money is very powerful so has a strong motivation to find its way around whatever obstructions you put up. So the fix isn't to put up stronger gates, it's to reduce the incentive by making that money less powerful.

    Donors dominate because individual legislators have a lot of autonomy and are easy to push around. But if you take away the legislator's autonomy by strictly enforcing party discipline then they're a much less tempting target and they h

  • Anyone see the hypocrisy of a politician who wants to restore an elective democratic government, so that it can champion gun-control laws and climate remediation, hiring an avowed anti-government, pro-gun Libertarian to rattle the cup for the politician? There will certainly be thousands of nitwits duped into giving money to this campaign, but the majority of observers will see it for what it is -- a fundraising drive for the personal aggrandizement of Lessig and Wales, which is *disguised* as a political

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