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Single Group Dominates Second Round of Anti Net-Neutrality Comment Submissions 218

New submitter aquadood writes: According to the Sunlight Foundation's analysis of recent comment submissions to the FCC regarding Net Neutrality, the majority (56.5%) were submitted by a single organization called American Commitment, which has "shadowy" ties to the Koch brothers' network. The blog article goes on to break down the comments in-depth, showing a roughly 60/40 split between those against net neutrality and those for it, respectively.
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Single Group Dominates Second Round of Anti Net-Neutrality Comment Submissions

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  • by Rick in China ( 2934527 ) on Wednesday December 17, 2014 @01:21AM (#48614763)

    If there's ever a time - it's times like this. Koch brothers' evil and the bullshit associations they support, typically lobbying for the opposite of what their names indicate (ie. "America" or "US" or "Family" combined with "Freedom" or "Prosperity" or "Commitment" or some other similar term) and the public would be greatly served by having these organisations dismantled, only, the people need some help -- the lack of transparency and lack of media coverage of these types of incidents means the majority, whose votes 'could' count, are too often taken for a ride.

  • by ATMAvatar ( 648864 ) on Wednesday December 17, 2014 @01:22AM (#48614771) Journal
    I wonder why they felt the need to spam the submissions. We all know the decision is going to be based on which side pays the largest bribe.
    • If there is some statistic that the majority of the population can look at without understanding how it got that way - and it indicates support for the decision, then the decision seems more legitimate than if it receives no statistical support but was made anyways.. ie. easier to defend from a political/court of public opinion perspective.

    • by silfen ( 3720385 )

      I wonder why they felt the need to spam the submissions

      There is no evidence they "spammed" anything. All the analysis found is that a large number of submissions used some common language.

  • Because concrete ties can't fuel conspiracy theories and pry open wallets.

  • After a comprehensive analysis of the comments provided to the FCC regarding net neutrality, it was found that a great percentage were form letters based on one of some 30 templates one organization made available... So what?

    No one is sledging the comments were not submitted falsely - each comment represents a valid comment.

    The organizer of the form letter campaign gave people some thirty choices to find a message that resonates with them - each template represented different reasons to oppose net neutralit

    • Typo:

      No one is sledging the comments were not submitted falsely - each comment represents a valid comment.

      Should have been:

      No one is aledging the comments were submitted falsely - each comment represents a valid comment.

  • by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Wednesday December 17, 2014 @02:02AM (#48614875)

    ... of the FCC in the process. That is their primary beef. They see it as an encroachment of federal regulation which they're reflexively against.

    This said, if you want the conservatives on your side there is a way to do it while getting effectively to net neutrality.

    The issue is that we have a few large companies that are monopolizing everything. Why is that? Mostly because it is almost impossible to lay the last mile of cable from a regulation stand point. Cities, counties, and sometimes even states put taxes, regulations, and conditions on laying cable on the last mile.

    Laying backbone cable is much easier. I think I saw an estimation that over 80 percent of US backbone bandwidth is laying idle. The issue is the last mile and the problem is government interference. LOCAL government interference. Not federal.

    If you pitch to conservatives "hey, you're allowing monopolistic companies to rob you because local corrupt government officials are getting bribed to shut out competitors" then you're going to have an easier time getting conservatives on board.

    If what you want is a better and freer internet... then this gets you that. With expanded competition, the big ISPs will not be able to play these games. Mom and pop ISP providers will sprout up like mushrooms in any area with an issue. Yes, running an ISP is an investment but not nearly as big of a deal as many people think.

    If you only serve a given neighborhood then the costs aren't that big a deal. Why does a new ISP automatically have to service the entire city? Does the local sandwich shop need to open 50 locations to be able to operate? Obviously not. You open one franchise in one area that you feel you can turn a profit in and you expand from there if you are successful.

    THAT is what the future of ISPing should be. Local ISPs that run last mile internet service in a few square blocks, cut their teeth on that, and then expand to neighboring blocks as they recoop their investment.

    You don't need mega billion dollar corporations to make this work.

    Right now, look at the cost of fiber cable. The raw wholesale cost of fiber. Look up what a fiber switch costs to serve a couple hundred users. This is the sort of price structure you are looking at and it is comparable to what you find in a lot of other small businesses.

    Pitch this and conservatives will be all over it. If instead you say "we need the federal government to come in and regulate everything for the greater good"... you're going to run shivers up the backs of conservatives and they're going to fight you reflexively.

    Why do we need to do it this way? Won't it be better this other way? Think about it.

    • by Boronx ( 228853 )

      Without regulated net neutraility, your concept would never work, since the big carriers could just pick favorites among the little guys and dictate who actually gets to run fiber into your neighborhood. Yeah, other companies could, but they're going to get just a trickle of bandwidth.

      • The big companies in this case are not the ISPs giving you trouble. They're the backbone ISPs. Completely different culture and mentality.

        What is more, what you're not getting about the backbone ISPs is that they're not as heavily controlled as to when and where they can lay cable. As a result there is competition there already. They already know that if they mess with the flow someone else will run cable next to them and they'll lose.

        Competition works.

        Look at your shoes. Did they need to pass regulations t

        • Competition works. Look at your shoes. Did they need to pass regulations to make your shoes not terrible? No. Competition did it. You as a consumer check out the shoes in the store and you only buy the ones that are worth your money. You don't buy the ones that are bad. The same principle can work in almost infinite applications.

          If you want the analogy to serve internet....what if the only shoe providers in the whole country were Nike, Reebok,and Adidas, and depending on where you lived in the country, you could only buy one brand of shoes - and you weren't allowed to shop online or travel to buy a competitor's pair?

          What kind of shoes do you think you would be wearing then?

          • ... I feel like you're not reading anything I've said but that I made a shoe analogy. Which is very frustrating.

            *takes a deep breath*

            *breaths out slowly*

            The thesis I presented was that through greater competition these net neutrality issues would go away. Which means you're not just buying from one company but rather lots and lots of them. So my analogy holds. Please re-read/read for the first time my arguments above. I don't know if I can contain an outburst if you do that again.

    • by Tom ( 822 ) on Wednesday December 17, 2014 @04:53AM (#48615373) Homepage Journal

      Mostly because it is almost impossible to lay the last mile of cable from a regulation stand point.

      Mostly because it makes a fucking lot of sense to not dig up the street every time someone switches to a new ISP.

    • by dywolf ( 2673597 )

      Bull.
      Conservatives do not care and have never cared about restricting monopolies.
      Only one side of the spectrum has taken the position that restricting monoplies in order to promote competition is "punishing success".

      Protecting the interests of entrenched corporations is a conservative position, regardless of the party doing it.

      Breaking up monpolies to promote the concept that "anyone can make it in the land of opportunity" by fostering competition and breaking up monpolies has always been and will always be

      • Your blind zealotry is counter productive and renders you incompetent in this or any other policy discussion.

        Try again with less koolaid.

    • by Kythe ( 4779 )
      I wish that were the problem.

      From what I can see, conservatives mostly don't like FCC involved because Obama is for net neutrality.

      Otherwise, your comment is excellent.
      • by cdrudge ( 68377 )

        So Obama should remain for it for another few weeks, but once the new Congress is in session, be opposed to it. He should also be against Obamacare and against immigration. Republicans won't know what to do.

        • I'd love to see Obama do that... the shock of all the republicans suddenly giving him everything he wants would be pretty priceless.

          Republicans aren't opposing obama because he is obama... they are opposing him because they do not like his policies.

          Suggesting otherwise ignores that republican policies on these matters haven't changed remarkably in decades which is long before Obama was even alive much less in politics.

      • I'm afraid that is just the cognitive dissonce talking.

        Obama likes to say that people only disagree with him because he's black or something equally offensive. But if anyone else were in his position doing what he's doing then the same political factions would be opposing him.

        Republicans for example has been opposing moves like Obamacare for well over 60 years. Yet Obama suggests that republicans are only taking this position out of racism. It is intellectually unsupportable.

        The same is true of the FCC acti

        • I haven't been paying attention, but I've never heard Obama mention racism as a reason for opposition to his policies. Got a cite? Some people do blame racism, and I think some opposition is probably racist in nature (although I can't tell which is and which isn't). Also, Republicans have been pushing things like Obamacare for a long time. It's similar to Romneycare, for example, and 1970s Republicans had similar ideas. Now that it exists, and was pushed through by Democrats, Republicans are attacking

          • Why is it that I'm the only person that knows how to use google?

            Like... seriously. I typed this into google:
            obama says race

            And I got this:
            âoeThereâ(TM)s no doubt that thereâ(TM)s some folks who just really dislike me because they donâ(TM)t like the idea of a black President,â Obama said.

            http://www.newyorker.com/magaz... [newyorker.com]

            The implication from the article is that obama's poll numbers are falling because he's black. Which is weird because the demographics of the country didn't shift that

          • Sorry if that quote from the new yorker is a bit garbled. they were using some odd characters.

            This should be sanitized:

            âoeThereâ(TM)s no doubt that thereâ(TM)s some folks who just really dislike me because they donâ(TM)t like the idea of a black President,â Obama said.

          • and third time's the charm...

            "There's no doubt that there are some folks who just really dislike me because they don't like the idea of a black President," Obama said.

  • What they are saying is that a lot of letters sent in to comment on net neutrality have been derived from a small set of sample letters. That doesn't mean they represent astroturfing, it merely means that a lot of people who sent in letters founds those sample letters to be a good starting point and in agreement with their views.

    • What you say would be true if we were talking about sample letters put out by organizations funded by George Soros or Tom Steyer, but these are not like those. No, these sample letters were put together by organizations which got a small amount of money from organizations which got a small amount of money from the Koch brothers. Everybody knows that the Koch brothers are truly evil, unlike George Soros, who unrepentantly collaborated with the Nazis as a teenager, and everything with even a remote connection
      • by silfen ( 3720385 )

        Yes, I know. It's "News for Nerds". People here hate the MIT engineers advocating fiscal prudence and social liberalism, and love the sociopathic Hungarian Nazi collaborators and manipulator of the global financial system.

  • The FCC comment system was written over 50 yrs ago. Back when a senator might actually understand.
    Neither party in congress understands the problem now.
    Bunch of Friggin Idiots. Blind leading the Blind.
    I was tempted to give a history lesson, but this isn't the audience.

    SO:

    garbage in
    garbage out.
    • I'm certain the commissioners will each read every one of the million plus comments submitted before deciding what to do... If not, why ask for the comments in the first place?

      They could have just organized a poll.

  • Isn't that a synonym for suspected but without evidence?

    Just so we're on this front, I think that aliens have shadowy ties to the Egyption pyramids. I heard one of those pyramids has a weapon that can destroy planets. Maybe I'm thinking of the death star and its shadowy connections to the Empire.

  • This happened during the formation of ICANN. They wet with "the majority".

    It's over 50% for a reason.

    Anon can't really do much about this I'm afraid.

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