Facebook Wants You To Vote Tuesday 165
theodp (442580) writes "Six years in the making, Facebook's get-out-the-vote tool — a high-profile button that proclaims "I'm Voting" or "I'm a Voter" — will on Tuesday give many of the social network's more than 150 million American users a gentle but effective nudge to vote. "If past research is any guide," writes Micah L. Sifry in Mother Jones, "up to a few million more people will head to the polls partly because their Facebook friends encouraged them. Yet the process by which Facebook has developed this tool — what the firm calls the 'voter megaphone' — has not been very transparent, raising questions about its use and Facebook's ability to influence elections. Moreover, while Facebook has been developing and promoting this tool, it has also been quietly conducting experiments on how the company's actions can affect the voting behavior of its users." Sifry adds, "There may be another reason for Facebook's lack of transparency regarding its voting promotion experiments: politics. Facebook officials likely do not want Republicans on Capitol Hill to realize that their voter megaphone isn't a neutral get-out-the-vote mechanism. It's not that Facebook uses this tool to remind only users who identify themselves as Democrats to vote — though the company certainly has the technical means to do so. But the Facebook user base tilts Democratic." So, it's probably worth mentioning again that Facebook caught flack last summer for deliberately experimenting on users' emotions without their consent. And just last June, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC put out a call for "pissed off Data Scientists" to data mine critical legislative districts and "growth hack" ways to motivate "registered voters who are registered Republicans who we think are likely to support immigration reform.""
remember the old days? (Score:1)
Back when if you wanted to talk to your friends online you would just talk to your friends online, instead of talking to Facebook and having Facebook pass it on?
Well guess what. The more you put a single third party in the middle of everything, the more room there is for them to abuse that.
This is what all you Facebook users asked for. It'll get worse yet. This is only the beginning. Eventually you won't get to KNOW when they are using the power you gave them.
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Facebook isn't abusing their user base in this case -- at least, you'd have a hard time convincing me that encouraging your demographic to vote is some sort of abuse.
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until the tool shows up more frequently or more prominently for certain users, or certain users with specific types of 'friends', who facebook believes will vote the way THEY want them to..
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Yes, but those politically apathetic facebookers voting screws you, not the facebookers.
Lucky for Democrats (Score:2, Interesting)
Since Facebook's users lean Democrat, more of them voting will mean a shift towards Democratic politicians. I bet the Republicans will be pissed.
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AARP also encourages people to vote, so any effect of this is probably nullified.
Re:Lucky for Democrats (Score:4, Informative)
AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.
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AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.
AARP members who believe their interests are aligned with the organization: Millions.
Facebook users who give a rats ass about Facebook's corporate opinion: 0
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I give a rats ass
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AARP membership: 37M. Facebook U.S. users: 150M.
AARP members who believe their interests are aligned with the organization: Millions. Facebook users who give a rats ass about Facebook's corporate opinion: 0
Right, but there probably ARE more Facebook users whose views align with Facebook Corporate than there are AARP members whose views align with AARP corporate.
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First, I doubt that it makes any real difference if you vote for "Democrats" or "Republicans". In a real democracy you would be able to vote for more than one party. From a European point of view you have only the choice between conservative and neo-liberal party and a strong right wing party. Second, the mobilizing effect within AARP might be bigger than in the FB domain.
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That's pretty subjective. From an American point of view, Europeans only have the choice between socialist, socialist, socialist, and a tiny bit less socialist, with some different locality-driven issues thrown in for each. ..and before you tell me I know jack about your specific country, it's also likely you know jack about the USA.
The term 'liberal' has been so thoroughly abused at this point that it's meaningless even with a ton of prefixes and suffixes. It used to mean someone who stands for individua
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AARP also encourages people to vote, so any effect of this is probably nullified.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't AARP been encouraging people to vote for ages already? I mean, if Facebook and AARP had simultaneously decided to start encouraging their members to vote, it would be a near-null effect. But since the Facebook GOTV initiative is new, it is a shift away from previous years.
Re: Lucky for Democrats (Score:1)
Surely Republicans are true patriots who love America and the Constitution enough that they don't need to be reminded, unlike those Communist, freedom and god hating, heathen Democrats.
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Actually, it's a not true scottsman situation. Many people identify themselves with one of the two major parties but do absolutely nothing to participate with them. For instance, a low income single mother is more likely to vote democrat if they ever voted. They however, may not have ever voted, do not even know the names of politicians running, or the names of politicians already seated in office. They likely registered to vote at one time because it was easy and secondary to something they were already do
Re:Lucky for Democrats (Score:5, Funny)
Since Facebook's users lean Democrat, more of them voting will mean a shift towards Democratic politicians. I bet the Republicans will be pissed.
This is a democracy. Everyone has a right and obligation to vote. I urge all Republicans to go out and vote on Wednesday.
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made to help the GOP (Score:3)
facebook donates to GOP causes...and as stated in the description, Zuck's FWD.us is actively lobbying to undercut American workers
the idea that this system will "help democrats" is ridiculous...it's made specifically to influence votes...
this is a product launch, and the product is a perception control system that you can pay to use
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Of course to help manipulation, you are required to use your real name, facebook grabs your location, and tracks your habbits.
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I thought both parties were out to destroy the middle class. The difference, of course, is that Republicans want to screw to poor to help the rich, while pretending they will help the poor due to trickle down economics. Conversely, the Democrats want to appear to help the poor while sabotaging their situation is less obvious ways, such as illegal immigrants and H-1B visas to drop wages, passing large taxes (with equally large loopholes) on the rich, and aid programs that will help you while you are poor but
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I thought both parties were out to destroy the middle class. The difference, of course, is that Republicans want to screw to poor to help the rich, while pretending they will help the poor due to trickle down economics. Conversely, the Democrats want to appear to help the poor while sabotaging their situation is less obvious ways, such as illegal immigrants and H-1B visas to drop wages, passing large taxes (with equally large loopholes) on the rich, and aid programs that will help you while you are poor but will cease if you start improving your situation.
Sorry Mr. Democrat hack. You are following the divide and conquer method. You want to convince people who might vote Republican to stay home so your party can get our your base and keep control of the senate. Your fake neutrality does not sound convincing.
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I would bet cash it is about 50/50 just like in the real world.
How much cash and shall we make an arrangement with an online betting site? Also, please clarify what you mean by "about 50/50", in particular the upper bound of the ratio of Democrats to Republicans which will constitute losing your bet.
If I were to go by my 'facebook world' I would say it heavily leans republican.
You are showing a cognitive bias of 'what happens to me must be the way it is everywhere'.
That's so adorable. Your second line is exactly what I would have responded to your first.
Bad idea (Score:4, Insightful)
People who only vote because they heard about it on Facebook (or via that stupid sticker people wear) shouldn't be voting.
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Why does it make sense to vote for the sake of voting? How is that helping?
There are a lot of stupid people. If only smart people vote, we will end up with policies that help smart people, and leave the stupid people further and further behind.
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There are a lot of stupid people. If only smart people vote, we will end up with policies that help smart people, and leave the stupid people further and further behind.
OK!
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Basically, their votes are for sale to the highest bidder. Convince them that "the man" is keeping them down and tell them who the man is and they'll vote against him/her/it. Convince them that so-and-so is like them and will stand up for their rights and they'll vote so-and-so every time. Left unchecked, the combination of uninformed voters and unlimited political contributions will be the downfall of free societies.
An excellent point. It is the duty of citizens to vote their consciences. Since those who are elected are making decisions for us, we, as an electorate, need to educate ourselves in order to identify the right criminal^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H candidate for a given elective office. Unlimited political contributions fly in the face of this. It's rather depressing.
On a side note, what the hell kind of country allows people to vote without verifying they're eligible to do so and are who they claim to be? I don't know what kind of warped logic that comes from, but it's so stupid that other countries are (literally, I've seen in firsthand) laughing at us. If the problem is that somehow minorities and poor people "can't afford" to get and carry a picture ID, fix THAT problem, not some almost entirely unrelated symptom. Or better yet, work on fixing the even more fundamental problem of poverty rather than whining about how this and that specific thing are somehow "not fair" to poor people...
I don't know about where you live, but where I live there is most certainly a verification process. I must sign the election district register where th
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If you mean the police you're probably correct.
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Are you using "this" in the Java sense? If so I 100% agree.
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Why? Clueless emoto-voters are why we currently have such an incompetent executive administration, and Harry Reid setting the legislative agenda.
Low information voters (across the spectrum) are toxic.
Re: Bad idea (Score:1)
I think of it as a reminder. In our overly busy lives, it's real easy to forget Election Day. Also, it'll help to motivate people. In my state we have a Senate race between a moderate Democrat and an ex-Wall Street finance guy who is running as a Ted Cruz type of nutty Republican.
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And it's better if you only vote because you got a mailer from a policitcal party?
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People who only vote because they heard about it on Facebook (or via that stupid sticker people wear) shouldn't be voting.
People who think they know (based upon personal preferences) who should or should not be voting, should not be voting.
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:)
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Should only be property owners voting. That's how it was supposed to be in the first place. People with skin in the game.
Re:Bad idea (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, Democrats recognize that the Republican fetish for voter ID is just a tactic to manipulate outcomes of elections in the same way as poll taxes and literacy tests.
No, Democrats recognize that making sure people that nobody can check whether or not you're allowed to vote helps them with their vote-by-sheep-herding techniques. For example, our state was just shown to have thousands of voters who, when cross checked against their driving records, show that they are not citizens. Thousands of them. And Democrats in Colorado just set up new mechanism that is practically designed from scratch specifically to provide for bogus voting, stewarded by mostly partisan people and oganizations that skew to their favor.
You want vote suppression? Thousands of people voting illegally in my state, as liberal activist organizations circulate flyers explaining where it's possible to vote without your identity being tested - that nullifies thousands of legitimate votes.
If Republicans were really interested in their supposed problem, they'd support making ID a mandate on the government.
If you were paying attention, you'd see that legislation aimed at making sure that liars and illegals can't cast votes include provisions for photo IDs paid for by the state in question. Who, by the way, has no form of ID? You can't cash government checks without it. You can't use social services without ID. You can't sit at the library and use taxpayer provided computers and internet access without ID. You can't live in subsidized housing without ID, or get Medicare coverage (or Medicaid) without one. But thousands of people can cast votes without them, and millions in Colorado can now make a complete circus out of the idea.
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Nobody can check? Where do you get these ideas? Oh right, the Right-wing Lie Brigade. You don't mention your state, but Florida's Republican Liar-in-Chief did make up a similar claim. What really happened?
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/25/490678/eligible-florida-voter-governor-rick-scott-purged/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/0402/Court-rules-Florida-voter-purge-illegal-but-will-it-stop-GOP-voting-tweaks
"The state originally identified 180,000 questionable voters, comparing rolls pri
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Nobody can check? Where do you get these ideas?
From reality. Let's see ... in my state, you can walk up and register to vote without anyone determining if you're a citizen. There is no process for it. Then, you can walk up to a polling place on voting day, where they don't ask for any form of ID - you just say your name is "Bob Smith," and if that name is on the list of registered voters, you get to vote. Simple as that. There is no mechanism to validate your eligibility to vote when you register, and no method to prevent anyone from using the register
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Your state of delusion isn't a real one. Sorry, but what you and the James O'keefes of the world foam at the mouth about isn't an actual problem.
The matter is now before the courts, with evidence of the illegal voter registrations (which are matters of public record) introduced by the research group bringing the suit. Your insistence that the public records showing the very same people claiming not to be citizens while also (within the same calendar year) registering to vote is a "delusion" says more about your wishful thinking or partisan biases than it does about anything else. We're in an election climate where the control of the executive branc
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I get it, you want to manipulate the electoral process yourself
Yes. I want to manipulate the process into the perfectly rational form in which it's used all around the world: one citizen, one vote.
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Keep in mind that you only apply for a drivers license like once in 10 years.
FWIW, our state has you in for a renewal and fresh paperwork every four years. At which time you're handed what amounts to a blank check for voter registration. Nothing during that process (completing the voter registration form) establishes what you say about your citizenship. In fact you can be at the MVA getting your driver's license, where your citizenship status IS addressed, and at the same time, hand in a voter registration that is 100% at odds with what you say about your license, and nobody can or
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[citation needed]
Unless this women [msnbc.com] is one of those liars or illegals you ranted about.
A button? Try a dozen viral images (Score:3)
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It would be interesting if you just named them because it isn't the republicans. There is a republican senate candidate in New Mexico who used images of Foley's killer but as far as I can find, no one is using images of James Foley himself.
Maybe you are misinformed.
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Nonsense. I saw the ad from the New Mexico politician and it's completely appropriate and does not show the murder or anything about it. Just flashes a masked guy standing there who could have been an actor on a set for all we know from the commercial.
And yes, I did miss the one from Arizona. You should have posted a link.
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So why is it schmuckery to have it displayed in an ad? What has you so upset over it to the point you are claiming it is bad?
The ad did not mention Foley's murder, it did not mention Foley, it did however mention that the democrat was siding with Obama and Obama's policies are making up less safe. So are you upset over the image, or the effectiveness of the ad?
And yes, I am quite ignorant of it, I rarely watch TV (don't even have cable) and only watched the supposed murder video once. I say supposed only be
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Lol.. The family doesn't own the footage. It doesn't matter what they say because unless people like you point it out, no one would know the difference. It doesn't use their kid's image or even reference the murder.
So what exactly is it that has your panties in a knot. It sounds like your evasion of the answer is that the ads struck a cord with you and you hate that they are true. It seems like you are desperately trying to find a way to make it seem despicable and failing at it which upsets you even more.
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That is fine and alll but you still are avoiding the question about what you think is so bad about it that you had to complain about it here.
Facebook: vote, because tech salaries are too high (Score:1)
Facebook wants to import an army of people from other countries to bid down tech salaries. That's why they want your vote.
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For software development they can outsource it to another country which would make no big difference to having all those foreigners move to the USA. For administration the labor cost is already low.
Vote Tuesday! (Score:1)
Or Wednesday will win? /.?
Why is this on article on
Obama's Chief Scientist on Use of Facebook in 2012 (Score:4, Informative)
Interview with Rayid Ghani, Chief Scientist Obama 2012 Campaign [kdnuggets.com]: Q. How did you use facebook and other social networks as part of modeling? A. We used facebook for a few different purposes: We used facebook to reach young voters who were hard to reach using traditional channels such as phone, direct mail, and door-to-door canvassing. We built models using data from users who authorized our facebook app that allowed us to ask our supporters to contact their friends for specific reasons (voter registration, volunteering, going to vote, etc.). Our hypothesis was that getting their friends to ask them was more effective than us asking them directly by broadcasting on our facebook page. We also used facebook to determine people's interest and send them messages that were relevant to them and hence increase their likelihood of taking action.
evidence for above... (Score:2)
yes, thank you
there is evidence of what you describe: http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/... [cnn.com]
you could watch Romney's "likes" go down by the second there for awhile
Not that influential (Score:3)
Back in 2011 we had a vote in the UK as to whether we would switch our voting system from "first past the post" to "alternative vote".
Although my Facebook feed was absolutely riddled with people proclaiming their support for AV and no-one for FPTP (and a quick straw poll of my work colleagues suggested the same for them) that wasn't reflected in the results which were that 68 per cent voted No (to AV) and 32 per cent voted Yes.
Facebook may have influenced some people to go out and vote, but it certainly didn't seem to reflect how the country voted as a whole.
Sorry, Mr. Zuckerberg, I've voted. (Score:3)
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My apathy runneth over....
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Click on that button and you'll be a target... (Score:2)
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Facebook is in the business of cataloging people so that those people can be sold to whoever wants to pay Facebook for the goods.
If you click on that button, you'll be added to the collection of people that Facebook can sell to politicians and their PACs.
Don't waste your vote! (Score:1)
Ignore the democrats AND republicans, and try to actually clean the house. Otherwise... more NSA, CIA, DEA, IRS, FCC, more Comcast, more Time Warner, more Koch/Soros, and more Americans dying in war for profit.... Is that what all of you want?
idiot (Score:3)
false dichotomy
Republican policies are VERY different from Democrat policies
Look at *any issue*...Net Neutrality, civil liberties, jobs, economic policy, foreign policy...Democratic policy positions are demonstrably different and *better*
another example?
Global Warming...
GOP'ers still deny pollution harms the environmnet
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Democratic policy positions are demonstrably different and *better*
Their positions, perhaps. But how about their legislative accomplishments?
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They gave 4 trillion to Wall Street. I'm sure they're happy..
What we are seeing here is people who listen to and believe press releases, when they should be looking up the voting records and who the "contributors" are. They should also look up a little thing called, "rotating villain". There you will see republicans and democrats, not in opposition, but working together as a tag team in a fashion that constantly shifts blame for any "failures".
What these people call "differences" is merely bickering, not ov
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Republican policies are VERY different from Democrat policies
There is actually only ONE issue that matters: does your party believe in a level playing field to allow candidates from outside the two major parties to get on the ballot and campaign as the two major parties do? The Dems and Reps wholeheartedly agree on the answer to that question: NO. They have consistently worked to make it harder and harder for anyone else to get on the ballot, to be included in debates, etc.
A monopoly doesn't just have to be one entity. Two entities can collude to create an effec
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lol.. Get your third parties elected locally and more local people will vote for them nationally. The only reason the two parties have their stronghold is because they control the local offices. If you want to take that control away, you need to do it there or infiltrate their party in primaries like the TEA party republicans do.
You are likely to discover that if you attempted to get them elected locally, that they are fringe parties with little support and people say they agree with you in order to shut yo
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huh (Score:2)
I'm not voting because the system is rigged and the choice between OldWhiteguy#1 and OldWhiteguy#2 that pretty much agree on everything isn't really a choice at all so I refuse to participate. So where's my button?
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3rd party = republican (Score:2)
basically, if you vote for any non-Democrat, you are helping Republicans
this false dichotomy talk is foolish and inaccurate
just look at Net Neutrality, among many, many examples...
Democrats are the only people in government promoting Net Neutrality
look at *any* policy issue and the Democrats are orders of magnitude more rational than Republicans
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That's funny, because the Republicans tell me the exact same thing - a vote for a third party is a vote for a Democrat. Tell me more about how the Democrats are better than the Republicans on government spying, warrantless wiretapping, stop-and-frisk programs, interstate border checkpoints and cash seizures. Hint: they're not. They both want to datamine everything you do online. They both want to fill prisons with non-violent criminals while letting the violently insane mix into society as if there's nothin
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Not voting is not the same as a protest vote. Pick a third party candidate, or write in someone you think is worthy of the position. If you don't vote, nobody knows you even care.
This is what I did, a write-in for someone worthy who wasn't even running. Of course, it helps when you already know who your district will vote for regardless of your own vote. Of course, it would be trivial to change to a voting system where you don't get punished for voting for the person you would like to win.
wrong (Score:2, Informative)
the policies of Democrats and Republicans are very, very different.
if you so dumb as to think that there is no difference between what Democrats and what Republicans do, by policy, then you're an idiot and should not be allowed to vote
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orly? (Score:1)
that's no moon (Score:2)
"Six years in the making....a high-profile button that proclaims "I'm Voting" or "I'm a Voter".....deliberately experimenting on users' emotions without their consent"
that's no button...
f/b is rolling out a perception control system, with it's own "dashboard", basically to manipulate users and sell their data
Stupid.... (Score:2)
"raising questions about its use and Facebook's ability to influence elections"
And how is Facebook influencing elections by reminding users to vote? Are they also telling them who to vote FOR?
The campaign money Zuckerberg and fellow evil 1%ers does more to influence election results....
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Are they also telling them who to vote FOR?
Given that Zuckerberg funds a left leaning PAC, has experimented with influencing FB users' emotions, and is deeply involved in mining FB users' data, you shouldn't be surprised if that's the long term plan.
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You forgot about the 2012 experiment where they divined user's political leanings from their posts and likes and stuff. Oh and that wasn't secret, they announced they were having a third party do it.
So theoretically, they could influence the election by reminding only people who have been identified to vote or lean a certain way and show them favorable- even if misleading, ads for that way in the lead up to the election.
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If you are that stupid that you get all your political leaning from ONE source, perhaps you are too stupid to be allowed to live any longer...
No different than television ads, radios ads, all that garbage junk mail, all the annoying political phone calls, etc....
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Allowed to live any longer....
That it the dumbest thing anyone has ever said.
But there are plenty of people who completely ignore politics who end up voting because of things like this. But i do not think i suggested anyone got their pitical leaning from one place. I said one place was trying to determine a person's political leanings and could press only certain groups with certain leaning to vote in order to influence or stuff the ballot box/ election.
Well if you aren't lobbying the voters... (Score:3)
Personally I'd rather they lobby the voters than the politicians, you might say that people being gullible and easy manipulated is a flaw but at least that's democracy as designed. When politicians get paid lots of campaign contributions to buy votes while voting in favor of the corporations funding them rather than the votes electing them that's circumventing the democratic process. Not to mention that I think most voters vote for what they want to believe, facts be damned.
This election ... (Score:2)
I'm voting for the fucking massive wall of text party.
Zuckerberg will never pay more taxes... (Score:2)
Those who should be voting don't need encouraging (Score:2)
Those Who Click On The Button... (Score:2)
Will be targeted by the appropriate party functionaries in the next election, since FB will be selling their PI to the various parties and campaigns. This is a *huge* money making opportunity for FB.
Consider how FB makes money. Consider what political affiliation information can be gleaned from someone's FB history. Consider how difficult it is for political parties and campaigns to track down those who might support them, either with votes or money.
This year (an off year), over USD$4 Billion has been sp
All so called neutral posters are democrats (Score:2)
Vote is important (Score:2)
Vote is important. If you American people manage to get a democrat president elected, then Guantanamo prison could be closed.
Oh, wait...
Of the Business, by the Business, for the Profit (Score:1)
Good! (Score:2)
So long as Citizen United stands, progressive companies and activist billionaires should take full advantage of it. Currently we allow voters to only hear from fossil fuel companies and military-industrial complex. Imagine their sites and ads suddenly disappearing from search results and news feeds, replaced by other candidates and educational messages about global warming. Let them find out how many people are still watching Comcast TV and highway billboards. Better, put a prominent link to explanation of
Already Voted (Score:1)
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Republicans are hardly anti-H1B: GOP Leaders Clamoring for More High Tech Immigration if Party Wins Back Senate [breitbart.com]
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they call it connected, all they do is make the world smaller and smaller
Right. They don't really care about democracy, they just want to know how you vote, when and if you vote, so that they can sell that information in advance of you voting in order to render your vote less meaningful on election day. Your "vote" is sold as poling data before the vote is ever cast....this will make hanging chads or voting privacy irrelevant. F*ck Facebook, f*cking f*ckfaced f*ckers.
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what the fuck, just type 'FUCKING FUCKFACED FUCKERS'.. don't be a pantywaist about it.
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what the fuck, just type 'FUCKING FUCKFACED FUCKERS'.. don't be a pantywaist about it.
I apologize, I was pansy coating my fucks.
Sorry, but sometimes Facebook makes my penis fall off.
Re:Holocaust 2.0 (Score:2)
The rollout of holocaust 2.0 will use Facebook to roundup political opponents, dissidents and the like."
Sadly, all too likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... [wikipedia.org]
"IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation is a book by investigative journalist Edwin Black which details the business dealings of the American-based multinational corporation International Business Machines (IBM) and its German and other European subsidiaries with the government of Ad