David Cameron Wants the Guardian Investigated Over Snowden Files 279
dryriver writes "The Guardian reports: 'British Prime Minister David Cameron has encouraged a Commons select committee to investigate whether the Guardian has broken the law or damaged national security by publishing secrets leaked by the National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden. He made his proposal in response to a question from former defense secretary Liam Fox, saying the Guardian had been guilty of double standards for exposing the scandal of phone hacking by newspapers and yet had gone on to publish secrets from the NSA taken by Snowden. Speaking at prime minister's questions on Wednesday, Cameron said: "The plain fact is that what has happened has damaged national security and in many ways the Guardian themselves admitted that when they agreed, when asked politely by my national security adviser and cabinet secretary to destroy the files they had, they went ahead and destroyed those files. So they know that what they're dealing with is dangerous for national security."'"
Destroyed their copies of some files, certainly, but it's not like others don't have the files too.
Re:Doulbe Standard (Score:5, Informative)
so i dont think that the true story is being used here in the reasons and the manner that the Guardian destroyed the files. When i see " asked politely" then I know that this is being set up as spin. " we will politely ask you to come with us and politely sit in jail and rot forever, politely, or you can politely give us the stuff", and the response was to not hand over, but to destroy, with full knowledge (on both sides) that there were other copies, and the destruction was only for show.
Circular reasoning (Score:5, Informative)
"when asked politely by my national security adviser and cabinet secretary to destroy the files they had, they went ahead and destroyed those files. So they know that what they're dealing with is dangerous for national security"
They had no choice - if they didn't destroy the hard drives, then the govt. goons sent to their office would have. What kind of reasoning is this??
Re:National Security? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Illegal Surveillance (Score:2, Informative)
It created a database "Al Qaeda", literally translates as "database" in Arabic.
No, it translates as "base". Database would be "qaedat bayanat".
Re:Base = database = db (Score:4, Informative)
Yes A/C it got abbreviated. Good misdirection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians
Robin Cook knowsthe origin of the name better than Osama Bin Laden?
Bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in October 2001: [wikipedia.org]
"The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed."
(Note: in many Semitic languages the words "camp" and "base" are interchangeable).
National security? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Double standards? (Score:4, Informative)
Clearly, he's pointing out that The Guardian is hypocritical for criticizing newspapers for hacking of people's phones, and not criticizing Edward Snowden for hacking information about the government hacking of people's phones.
Just don't try to follow that logic too deep and the headache will go away.
Re:Double standards? (Score:5, Informative)
The Guardian has a great companion article [theguardian.com] detailing several ways the government has used the term "threat to national security" to cover up nothing more than embarrassing facts about the way it conducts itself.
One example: