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Canadian Official Escorted From House For Others' Facebook Comments 205

New submitter zayyd writes "The CBC reports that publicly-elected Gerry Rogers, member of the Provincial Government for Newfoundland and Labrador, 'has been removed from the house of assembly for refusing to apologize for comments made by other users on a Facebook group of which she had been added to as a member.' Rogers was unwillingly added to a Facebook Group which included comments of death threats aimed at Premier Kathy Dunderdale from other users. From the article: 'Dunderdale said her government understands how Facebook groups work, and she said it is up to every MHA to monitor the comments posted on Facebook groups to which they belong.' Facebook's policies for Groups are somewhat clear, even if they don't actually answer the question of 'Can I prevent people from adding me to a new group?'"
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Canadian Official Escorted From House For Others' Facebook Comments

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  • by DoofusOfDeath ( 636671 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:25PM (#43474299)

    You just seem more insane year after year. I wonder if there will be a day when Canadians gripe that they're on the verge of moving to the U.S.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by idontgno ( 624372 )

      Well played, Doofus. Very well done.

      The humorous irony of pointing out the mild cluelessness of our Great Northern Neighbor, while pointedly ignoring the huge festering carbuncle of batshit insanity known as Facebook, is deliciously effective.

      Unless you're serious. In that case, man, turn around and face the facepalm.

    • by ADRA ( 37398 )

      Trust me, for every one stupid thing Canadians do, there are like 100,000 stupid thing that Floridians do. Exaggeration, Ad Hominem, blah blah this entire article means nothing.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        And for each stupid Floridian thing, Quebec does 20 more. Check Bill 14 and any American reading it would assume Hitler just got elected. Remember, before he put his batshit insane plan into execution he "only" did somewhat offensive things. After reading Bill 14 you'll figure why not just put the English into camps, may as well...

    • I wonder if there will be a day when Canadians gripe that they're on the verge of moving to the U.S.

      Have you ever been to Canada? Americophiles are surprisingly common there, and "moving to America" is a goal of quite a few young Canadians with ambitions that go beyond free healthcare.

      • I have met one in 45 years, my youngest sister. I hear she is now on her way back, with creditors chasing her for over $100K of unpaid medical bills.
        I am sure there are some others, but MOST Canadians wouldn't become Americans no matter what.

        Signed, A proud Canadian.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          This guy is the stereotypical Canadian. They are closer to americophobes than americophiles, and the ironic thing there is absolutely no difference between Americans and Canadians besides the geographical location, yet when i lived there for 2 and a half years, the amount of times I heard Americans called stupid was exhorbitant.

          The media makes us Americans look stupid, and they lap it up just like...well pretty much every other country.

          • Re:Oh Canada... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Dixie_Flatline ( 5077 ) <vincent DOT jan DOT goh AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @02:42PM (#43475199) Homepage

            There are plenty of things different between Canadians and Americans, and I'm not just talking about toques and hockey.

            There are plenty of ways that we're the same, too, but I don't get into arguments with my Canadian friends about restricting firearms. There's a lot less discussion of whether or not abortion is something that should be left up to a woman or who should pay for healthcare. The set of 'Canadian values' is different, it's just not so different that when you see the average American talk to the average Canadian that these things come out.

            Americans almost certainly don't deserve the vitriol that they occasionally get from Canadians (except for your dickbag border guards--what's WITH those guys?) and when push comes to shove, we're there. On 9/11, diverted planes landed at Canadian airports, and Canadians drove out to offer accommodations for the passengers that were stuck there. I was still in University, and basically every class had an announcement that we should go give blood. And we did.

            I'm pretty sure Canadians don't think Americans are any dumber than AMERICANS do. We just have the benefit of distance.

            • by QQBoss ( 2527196 )

              There are plenty of things different between Canadians and Americans, and I'm not just talking about toques and hockey.

              How could you leave out the gourmet indulgence that is poutine from your list?

          • by evilad ( 87480 )

            Did you mean "exorbitant"?

          • Re:Oh Canada... (Score:4, Insightful)

            by qzzpjs ( 1224510 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @03:30PM (#43475753)

            I agree that media might play into our Canadian perceptions of the U.S. in that we have the benefit of getting news from non-US sources. Granted they're mainly Canadian, but they're not so tied to Democrat or Republican parties so they are less biased in either direction and give use fuller coverage.

            We can see how people are unaware of facts on either side of debates because the news they watch is biased and never gives opposing view points or opposing facts. We can see how religion is trying to push itself into your government, laws, and education even though your constitution specifically tried to separate it. We see how you screw the poor in your country by denying minimum wages for people who end up having to work 20 hours a day just to survive. And we can see the stupidity of how much money America wastes on things like the military given that no other 15 countries in the world could possibly be a threat! And we see how you're constantly involving yourself in other countries politics in order to push your interests which causes them to dislike you.

            And now, your U.S. Senate just passed a bill preventing the signing of a NATO international gun control treaty because it could prevent U.S. citizens from selling weapons to your own enemies! The only other countries that didn't sign were Iran, N Korea, and Syria which makes you just as bad as them. How can we NOT consider that stupid??

            I'm not saying we don't have our own issues and have the same problems seeing them in our media, but it's usually internal to our country and doesn't affect the entire world.

            • We can see how people are unaware of facts on either side of debates because the news they watch is biased and never gives opposing view points or opposing facts.

              Worse: The news gives both sides of a debate without telling you that one side is utterly full of shit.
              Because if they dared to draw conclusions, it would undermine their journalistic neutrality.

              • by gd2shoe ( 747932 )

                Oh, no. They undermine their "journalistic integrity" all the time. As long as they can pretend that they don't, they've got no problems there.

                Rather, they don't report things that are too difficult for them to understand. They no longer employ as many real journalists who do real research. This is, of course, assuming that there's nobody else in the media that they can parrot. It's called the "echo chamber" for a reason.

          • Our fair country Canada
            Is north of the USA
            Our Maritimes are lovely
            And our prairies give us hay
            You might think you Yankees
            Are better than us Canucks
            But we don't need no microchips
            Inside our hockey pucks

            We know that you've got disneyworld
            and you keep it very clean
            we dont have Bob Dole
            and we can drink when were 19
            we may watch your TV shows for hours and hours and hours
            We'll give you Alan Thicke
            But Shania Twain is ours

            We're proud to be Canadian
            We're awfully nice to strangers, our manners be our curse
            It's cool i

          • That's ridiculous. If we were the same, you wouldn't have the death penalty.
            There would far less incarceration of your own citizens.
            You would have had gay marriage years ago.
            You wouldn't have started the war in Iraq.
            Your literacy rate would be higher.
            Your poverty rate would be lower.

            These differences didn't just fall out of the sky. These are differences that come about because of our conscious decisions on who and what we vote for. Which makes us different from you. Deal with it.
          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward

            If you don't like being called stupid maybe you should stop electing people like Bush.

            I hate to break the difference to you but there's quite a bit of difference between Canadians and Americans. Canadians, for example, know that torture is wrong. Americans also know that torture is wrong -- the difference is that, faced with that information, Canadian's won't torture while Americans will re-define torture so that they can get away with it legally.

            It isn't just the media that's making you look stupid, it's y

          • Misamericist is a closer butchery of English (or proper Merkin if you prefer). The fear only applies to their insane worship of violence...

            The media is but a dim reflection; in this case, dimmer.

        • So a Canadian who didn't want to pay her bills moved back to Canada, leaving the bill to be paid for by Americans. That's something to be proud of....
          • Re:Oh Canada... (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Capt.DrumkenBum ( 1173011 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @05:56PM (#43477447)
            I am a proud Canadian. I am not proud of my youngest sister. She is a total bitch and should pay her debts. This debt is as a result of her choices.
            But any system where someone can suffer a relatively minor injury, (Broken ribs, and a punctured lung.) and be financially crippled by it for the next 10 years is seriously fucked up! Yet American people somehow continue to defend this system. The Canadian system is not perfect, but it mostly works and doesn't bankrupt people.
            • by mdw2 ( 122737 )

              It's because Americans all think of themselves as rich people who just aren't rich yet, and they sure as shit don't want to spend their when-i'm-rich money on taxes going to poor people.

      • by vux984 ( 928602 )

        Americophiles are surprisingly common there, and "moving to America" is a goal of quite a few young Canadians

        However the number that wish to actually become Americans is much smaller.

        with ambitions that go beyond free healthcare.

        Right. The assumption for most of them is that they will working for something that covers it, or will be paid well enough to easily afford the private insurance themselves and still be ahead of where they are now.

        The rest of them want to live in America to be near something specif

        • Actually, free movement and all, if I were in my 20's living in Canada, I'd move to the US, because I would bet that I would not likely need medical care. I would work hard, pay lower taxes, and save the difference. THEN when I started to get older and sicker, move back to Canada for all the free healthcare I never had to pay for.

          And now, you know why Socialism doesn't work unless everyone is forced into it. And that is not freedom.

          • Re:Oh Canada... (Score:4, Insightful)

            by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @06:21PM (#43477725)

            Actually, free movement and all, if I were in my 20's living in Canada, I'd move to the US,

            Not as easy to get a green card as you'd think. I know a couples who have transferred south husband was in embedded programming and the wife (a professional radiologist in Canada was unable to get a green card to work at all, never mind in her field, in the states for several years) -- they didn't expect it would be that tough. The pay raise and lower taxes didn't account for much since she couldn't work, his employer at least offered health care though, which was at least good.

            because I would bet that I would not likely need medical care.

            And that bet on medical care isn't all that great. A family member broke his leg skiing a few weeks ago, that'd be enough to royally screw him over stateside. Between surgery, a couple custom carbon fiber casts, physio, and going on 4+ months of not being able to work... yeah.

            You can bet you won't need medical care, but that's a bet you can lose. A broken leg is pretty minor and the cost is in the 10s of thousands... what if it had been a spinal injury instead?

            What happens if you lose the bet?

            THEN when I started to get older and sicker, move back to Canada for all the free healthcare I never had to pay for.

            Yep, that's sounds like planned abuse of the system to me.

            And now, you know why Socialism doesn't work unless everyone is forced into it.

            Canada should simply deny you re-entry to the country unless you are paid-up with respect to your accumulated share of health care costs. Citizenship isn't free. If you'd like to visit get a VISA and if you stay longer than that we'll deport you back where you came from.

            Honestly I think that's the direction things will eventually take, and there are already rumblings in that direction as people absolutely are out looking to abuse the system in unsustainable ways.

            And that is not freedom.

            Forcing socialized medicine is no more or less free then forcing socialized public works like police, fire, roads, pollution controls, parks, schools.

            I personally think the type of "freedom" you seem to long for is not as good as its cracked up to be. There's a few places in Africa and South America that should be free enough for you though... none of them places I'd want to live.

    • We may be getting slightly more insane each year but that does not mean that we are closing the gap with the US.
    • by Tridus ( 79566 )

      Gripe about it? Most of the entertainment industry dreams about it. You don't make it big being an entertainer in Canada.

    • It would take more than just insanity for me to want to move to the US, which is quickly becoming a 3rd world country. Pretty much either a new ice age or infestation of radioactive diseased zombie caribou would have me fleeing south, and even then I would have to give pause.

      Anyways Canada is about to enter a new era of Camelot now that Justin Trudeau is Liberal Leader. To American's that do not know, this like like the second coming of JFK.

      • by AJWM ( 19027 )

        Justin Trudeau? Son of Pierre "War Measures Act" Trudeau?

        I gather you're too young to remember armed forces on the streets of Ottawa (among other places) in combat fatigues and carrying machine guns.

        Camelot, huh?

        "Well 'ow do you know 'e's a king?"
        "Because 'e doesn't have shit all over 'im."

        • You know what, you are right, every single son in all of history has clearly been simply a carbon copy of their father.

  • by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:25PM (#43474309) Journal

    "Well!" think half the other MPs, "Thank god I don't even know how to use a computer."

  • by ZombieBraintrust ( 1685608 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:29PM (#43474363)
    Was she removed from the building? Or was she removed from her job? She is an elected official, was a trail needed to remove her? Or can the majority party remove any member with enough votes?
  • Facebook knows (Score:5, Insightful)

    by c ( 8461 ) <beauregardcp@gmail.com> on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:30PM (#43474367)

    No doubt there's something in her Facebook activity history indicating whether she joined herself or was added by someone else. That should be all the proof she needs.

    • Re:Facebook knows (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Derekloffin ( 741455 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:40PM (#43474487)
      Even if she is lying and did join herself (something I seriously doubt), this is NOT the way it should be handled. This is the equivalent of guilty until proven innocent for someone else's crime. It is disgraceful. Oh, and gives me yet another reason to never join facebook.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      FB allows others to add you to any group without your permission and without notifying you. You'd have to check your group associations every day (or multiple times a day) in order to prevent from being added to a group and being "guilty by FB association" until you've removed yourself from the group.

      FB really should prevent others from being able to add you to a group.

  • by PhamNguyen ( 2695929 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:32PM (#43474393)
    She was removed for "contempt", for refusing to apologize. This seems like a misuse of that kind of procedure. Contempt should be for, for example, swearing at another politician in the chambers. Being able to remove elected politicians on such a slim pretext is very dangerous to democracy.
    • And yet.. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:56PM (#43474667)

      ..nobody had been removed for the outright lies and slander of the various political attack ads that have been running in Canada. Apparently you can only be removed for something you didn't do or say.

    • So....
      I think i'll have Dunderdale added to every hate group i can think of on FB. Should be entertaining.

    • by DarthVain ( 724186 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @03:00PM (#43475435)

      "I'm sorry that Kathy Dunderdale, the Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, does not understand how basic technology such as social media works. I am also sorry that her office makes knee jerk decisions based on bad information and do not take the time to validate facts before making unwarranted demands. I am sorry that Newfoundland and Labrador has such an inept government, though I am pleased that they were able to solve all the other pressing issues and problems before proceeding on this most important issue."

    • by Tridus ( 79566 )

      Oh, and for not leaving the group. She's still a member, she wants to "review its purpose" before leaving.

      Someone actually added against their will would probably just leave.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    "What kind of message is that sending to the people of the province, to our children in the province, when we talk about bullying and harassment and intimidation?" said King.

    Get a grip.

    Rogers ... also said she was "appalled" that the house of assembly had been suspended over the matter.

    As should everyone in her province and the rest of the country.

    Dunderdale said her government understands how Facebook groups work, and she said it is up to every MHA to monitor the comments posted on Facebook groups to which they belong.

    Good luck with that.

    And here I thought we had a monopoly on stupid politicians here in the States.

    • by AJWM ( 19027 )

      And here I thought we had a monopoly on stupid politicians here in the States.

      Alas, "stupid politician" is a redundancy the world over.

  • by Attila Dimedici ( 1036002 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:33PM (#43474405)
    The proper form that the apology should have taken is this, "I am sorry that anyone was offended because someone added me to a Facebook Group that included tasteless comments, comments that may constitute illegal threats of violence, made by someone else. I do not condone such language."
    • I think there's already a standard hashtag for this.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I absolutely never ever apologize for something I did not do or for something that is not my fault.

      But then again, I am not Canadian.

  • by schlachter ( 862210 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:33PM (#43474407)

    I guess if they want to burn you in politics, they will find a way...no matter how ass backwards.

  • by LihTox ( 754597 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:34PM (#43474425)

    Add Kathy Dunderdale and her allies to as many unseemly Facebook groups as possible.

    • by pla ( 258480 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:42PM (#43474515) Journal
      Add Kathy Dunderdale and her allies to as many unseemly Facebook groups as possible.

      Already starting, this should get amusing fast.

      Ms. Dunderdale, you've made it clear that "it is up to every MHA to monitor the comments posted on Facebook groups to which they belong" - So why haven't you denounced your fellow members of such hate groups as "Mothers Against Sober Driving", "Nazi Party of Canada", and "The Vatican" yet?
      • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

        Ooh, did you just make a casual comparison where you said that Catholics are the same as Nazis? You din't do that!

        Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." Once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.


      • by dywolf ( 2673597 )

        bad troll is still troll

    • I'm not a facebook user. Can you really add someone to any group you want without their permission, and yet you are simultaneously require permission to friend someone? Who would create such a broken system?

      • It is true. But the assumption is that those whom you friend might be sensible people. And sometimes it leads to serendipity.

      • by Tridus ( 79566 )

        If you have a normal account, people you friend can do so, yes.

        Public figures that want to friend everyone in sight shouldn't have normal accounts. They have another account type for that purpose, where you can't do it. I can't for example add Burger King to the "Beef is Murder" group.

        Besides which, the politician in question is now saying she won't leave until she "reviews its purpose", which doesn't sound like someone terribly upset about being added.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        It is all about forced regular monitoring of your Facebook account. Facebook are attempting to force a series of communication issues and friend and relative relations in such a way as to force you to regularly check you account, regularly being as often as possible, to order to prevent harm to real world relationships. Each access equals advertising dollars. So drop Facebook and escape the purposeful built psychopath designed trap. They really are a pack of shit heads.

  • In Canada (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:35PM (#43474443)

    Apologizing is serious business.

  • by Tridus ( 79566 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @01:42PM (#43474509) Homepage

    Speaking as a Canadian... yawn. This is not getting much attention in Canada. It's just a couple of parties in a provincial legislature finding something new to bicker about. The same sort of thing happened last week in New Brunswick over who called someone a "witch" first, so they could determine who had to retract it (they had to go back to video of the session to answer that one). This one just happens to involve Facebook, and so it's sexy to some media.

    What happened is entirely routine. Someone was involved in something that goes against the decorum of the legislature, someone else complained. They wouldn't apologize, so they were tossed out of the building for the day. They leave the FB group and the whole thing goes away. Almost nobody outside the legislature gives a damn, except to point out that it's not a terribly professional or productive environment if this is taking up significant time.

    If the same thing had happened only not involving Facebook, the story would not be posted here. Politics is absurd on either side of the border, only people outside Canada don't see the local variety of "absurd" very often. Today you get to.

    • Agreed, not much in the Canadian news about it. If she had dumped folders of murderpr0n onto /b/ then perhaps a "removal" might have been appropriate.

  • Politicians fail to understand technology!
    Nothing to see hear. Move along, now...
  • Creating Nazi/Anarchist/pro-baby torture groups on Facebook and adding public officials to them.

  • Please do not add Dunderdale into every vile racist, misogynistic, gambling websites. Though it would teach her a valuable lesson on what is controllable and what is not in the internet, such thing could technically be illegal.
  • Oh, Dunderdale... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Runefox ( 905204 ) on Wednesday April 17, 2013 @03:14PM (#43475599) Homepage

    Living in Newfoundland myself, I've been hearing non-stop about her exploits as premier lately. It seems she's bat-shit crazy - That is, moreso than the rest of us. Among some of the other things she's tried to do have been to seal public spending records to make it impossible to see what the province is doing with its money, slashing education budgets, aggressive politics, compulsive lying and just generally being a slimeball.

    Her predecessor (from the same political party - the provincial equivalent to the Conservative party) fought tooth and nail against the Harper government, even going so far as to recommend voting against him, but she regularly rolls out the red carpet and kisses ass whenever the prime minister and his cronies are around. It's obvious that like most of our premiers, she only wants to get in good with the federal government so that she can move up to a position there, and really has no other concerns than that. Her tactics are almost identical to the Harper government, to boot.

    Sad thing is, this keeps happening because people here vote based on their voting history, not their actual ideals or which party would do the best job.

Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell you `there's a time for work and a time for play' never find the time for play?