Open Source Study Included In US Stimulus Package 187
gclef writes "Buried deep in the details of the US stimulus package is an interesting provision that might go a long way toward helping Open Source software break into the medical area. It says that the Secretary of Health and Human Services should study the availability of open source health technology systems (PDF, page 488), compare their TCO against proprietary systems and report on what they find no later than Oct 1, 2010. Slashdotters may also be interested in the language that starts on page 553 of that PDF to see just what the final package says about broadband."
The stimulus plan was approved by the Senate on Friday and is expected to be signed by President Obama by Monday.
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you mean the 800 billion (larger than any US budget prior to 1983) in miscellaneous pork?
One definition of pork is spending designed to stimulate the economy in a particular congress person's district. In that sense, as long the pork is evenly distributed throughout all the congressional districts then that's exactly what the US economy needs.
Another definition of pork is spending that doesn't have long term economic benefits. For example, if you spend money on a road, at the end of the day you have a road to use whereas, if you spend money on exotic dancers, at the end of the day you don't hav
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I'm a bit taken aback that tax cuts are considered "Republican pork." I always sorta thought that tax cuts let me decide what to spend my money on instead of being forced to spend it how the government would like me to. Sure, I could blow it on exotic dancers, and then I'd have nothing to show for it, but isn't that my call? Personally, I'd use it to pay for a new furnace, because the one in my house is gonna blow within a year or two, but I guess the roads in Arkansas or this bullshit open source study
Re:what stimulus package? (Score:4, Insightful)
The tax cuts that satisfy Republicans are always income tax, and their favorite is the upper bracket. Recall trickle down economics, where the theory goes that rich people will invest money in the economy, providing jobs and rah rah rah. It just doesn't hold though; investors this year have plenty of write offs to work through before they even care about taxes. Many are sitting in treasury bonds rather than corporate equities or bonds.
In contrast, payroll taxes rarely get touched. In part that's because they fund things like Medicare and Social Security, the golden cows of the AARP. But there's a worry that the working poor won't contribute to the economic recovery either; there's a lot of consumer debt out there and it's unlikely the top tax bracket has most of that. Paying off credit cards might slightly alleviate the banking crisis via balance sheet improvement, but it's not going to directly create new demand. Especially in a downward economy, a lot of them will be saving more and spending less. Can you remember what happened in 2002 with the early Tax Refund insanity?
Everyone, rich or poor, thinks the banks are bankrupt on paper, while Washington is hoping America can spend its way back to higher real estate prices and avoid a severe reckoning with those agents of failure that brought us to the brink. Republicans simply think private investment can restore it, while Democrats argue that the government is the only body that can raise enough capital to take the necessary action (I'll note that it can also do it very cheaply).
It's worth noting that the free market suffered from a widespread principle-agent failure. Management approved risky transactions like Credit Default swaps because they didn't fully understand the risk they exposed shareholders to, but liked the profit they were earning in the short term. Credit rating agencies also failed to solve the information asymmetry problem. Mortgage brokers made loans they'd never consider holding, and quickly fell apart when their market for shitty debtors dried up. What's going to solve this isn't more jobs or more demand for housing, but a significant rewriting of the social contract between management and investors. I wish Republicans had the balls to bring that up instead of asking for tax cuts for the companies and businessmen that fill their campaign coffers. It'd be far more interesting than people demanding executives dispense with their private jets and fly coach.
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Very well put. The Republicans have been saying things like "the stimulus bill has too much spending in it." What do they think stimulus is?!
This is basic economics, and it's not hard to understand. If the government gives someone a tax cut, they might spend the money and stimulate the economy, or they might just put it into savings. If, on the other hand, the government spends that money directly, they are guaranteed to stimulate the economy.
The best way for the government to stimulate the economy during a
Re:what stimulus package? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Not a single Republican in the House voted for this. Only the 3 RINOs in the Senate voted for this. The House Minority Leader threw the bill on the floor of the House [youtube.com] after calling the Democrats out for breaking their promise to provide 48 hours to review the bill. Just out of curiosity, how many of the 1,073 pages have you read in the ~36 hours the bill has been available? Did you notice all the handwritten changes [youtube.com].
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Arlen Specter said as much to the press, you can hear the audio here [huffingtonpost.com]. A lot of Republicans wanted the stimulus to pass, but were afraid to have their "fingerprints" on the legislation. The Republicans are simply to cowardly to face down the Club for Growth and Dear Leader Comrade Rush.
The bill is the biggest single tax cut in history and the Republicans still wouldn't vote for it. This is a party run by people who mail tire gauges [time.com] and silly putty [blogspot.com] and bricks [alipac.us] to their enemies and getting good soundbite
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Specter is a RINO. If it wasn't for him, the bill wouldn't have passed. And this isn't a tax cut, it's a tax deferral. If the Republicans wanted the bill to pass, they would have voted for it. You can't spin it the other way.
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Specter is a RINO. If it wasn't for him, the bill wouldn't have passed.
And Collins. Don't worry, you'll be able to primary them both out, get ideologues on the ticket, and see moderate dems defeat them in the general. If you want your party to actually be staffed by nothing but wingnuts, and to perpetually represent 40%, this is a very effective approach.
And this isn't a tax cut, it's a tax deferral.
By that standard the Bush Tax Cuts of '01 were a tax deferral. Nobody seriously cuts discretionary spending, I just belong to the party that's honest about it :P
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Not a single Republican in the House voted for this. Only the 3 RINOs in the Senate voted for this.
How convenient. Three Republicans in the Senate voted for it, but because they voted for it, they aren't actually Republicans, but "RINOs" - even though they are, you know, registered members of the Republican Party.
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You conclusion does not follow. Just because Republicans didn't vote for it (in the House, not in the Senate) doesn't mean that no Republican pork was added. They knew it would pass and in committee they DEFINITELY added their own pet projects to the bill under the guise of "improving it so that they could possibly support it".
"The Democrats did everything right and pure, did nothing wrong, only the evil Republicans added bad pork!"
Perhaps it escaped your notice, but the Republicans were completely [irnnews.com] shut out [ajc.com] of the negotiations for the bill. Pelosi's new rules completely barred Republicans for offering any amendments whatsoever to the stimulus. It was written and negotiated behind closed doors, by Democrats, without Republican input at all. And yet you want to blame them for bad content in a bill that they had no part of? Hell
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None of the Republicans voted for the stimulus bill.
That is absolutely incorrect. Three Republican senators voted for it. This may sound insignificant, but without these Republican votes, the bill could not have passed. Because of this, the Democrats ended up making quite a lot of changes to a bill that they could have otherwise just pushed through on their own.
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$800 billion is ~$420 billion in 1982 dollars (using the GDP deflator; the other metrics give much smaller numbers). You have to account for inflation whenever you're talking about very large amounts of money since even a few years can make a 5-10% difference. Measuring Worth [measuringworth.com] has a good calculator.
Feature Not Bug (Score:3, Interesting)
The concept of the thing was to get as many paychecks printed as physically possible in the next 18 months. I guess you could call that "pork," but I think your problem is with Keynesian theory and not waste-fraud-abuse.
Here's the current job losses, in absolute numbers and percentages [calculatedriskblog.com]. These people can work, but aren't being asked to essentially because banks aren't lending. Banks aren't lending because they're D-Bags who spent the last 5 years defrauding each other and calling shitpiles gold. Even if
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My problem with Keynesian theory is that it doesn't work in reality. Part of the theory says that in good times you raise taxes and CUT government spending. Problem is that once you get a government program going it will never be cut. That right there means Keynesian theory is a useless way to manage our economy.
This all assumes you agree with Keynesian theory to being with. It's not something I'm completely sold on.
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TCO and open vs closed source (Score:5, Insightful)
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I have the link somewhere but it appears the issue with medical systems isn't so much lack of technology, but uniform standards. Also the only open source health technology system that comes to mind is the one the VA is using.
Re:TCO and open vs closed source (Score:5, Interesting)
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Then you have the privacy concern. As it stands, if somebody wants access to my medical records then I need to explicitly authorize their release. In my opinion, this is the way it should be. I'm against anything that makes it easier for a th
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"That's right folks! They're using this bill as a means to regulate the treatment your doctor provides. "
Three words. Medicare, Medicaid, HMO. As long as someone else is footing the majority of the bill (employer, government) then you'll have someone else calling the shots. The only system where you're calling the shots (within reason and legality) is all the money comes from your pocket.
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Yes and no. My grandfather is old and is on medicare and VA benefits. His doctors clearly call the shots (keeping him extra nights in the hospital just for observation, etc...).
Daschels own book talks about limiting care to old people to save money and he was the first choice to fill the position that is over the NCHIT.
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Then amend the bill to have the effects only on Medicare and Medicade. The HMO is a contract between you and your provider and if they want to allow non-standard treatments or if they allow you to visit a clinical trial for a condition, then that's up to them and not the government to claim is wasteful or whatnot. I would also argue for a standard of care in Medicare and medicade seeing how I/We are paying the bills.
Now I didn't mean amend the bill as if you supported it or anything. I meant it as if the bi
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The problem is that the FDA needs someone to fuck over in the case that a medical device glitches out.
The device we were working back when I had a job was only a class 2, and still the restrictions were insane.
http://www.fda.gov/CDRH/devadvice/3132.html [fda.gov]
Even beyond code version control, we needed to have every aspect of the design and even testing under version control, which was constantly monitored, along with email communications, by FDA auditors. I even had to get FDA approval for tools I was using like
What and how (Score:4, Interesting)
Just what is this supposed to stimulate and how?
Just thought I'd ask
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why cant they just use the old techniques, like going to war while your family own shares in the biggest item on the military budget?
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"They've been waiting for 30 years for their big federal lootfest, and now they are going to get it."
Not much of that left after the big corporate/republican federal lootfest, which was shortly after the even bigger American public lootfest, that got this country into this mess in the first place.
I see a lot more work in investing inside the US in the cities and people then I do with the previous admin. All it seems that was invested in in the last few years are secure bank accounts for the wealthy few.
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Hey, be fair. We bought at least a trillion dollars worth of craters and tortured people in Iraq, too.
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If you make health care more affordable by increasing its efficiency, fewer Americans will be spending money on health-care overhead and bureaucracy, which means they'll have more money to spend on other things.
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But then the people who work in the health care system will have less money to spend....
The only way to get more (real) money into the economy now is to borrow it from the future.
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I thought Democrats didn't believe in trickle down economics.
Don't be obtuse (Score:4, Insightful)
That's kind of a dumb question. (I might be excused from inferring your agenda from your question, but I'll refrain — we already have too much of that.) Anything that causes money to be spent stimulates the economy. The issue with the stimulus bill (including this part) is not whether it will stimulate the economy, but whether it will stimulate it enough to justify adding most of a terabuck to the national debt.
As for this particular question, have you been following the news at all? Part of the stimulus is building up our technical infrastructure. Do I have to explain how software fits into that? You may not agree that this will work, but how it's supposed to work should be obvious.
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"That's kind of a dumb question. (I might be excused from inferring your agenda from your question, but I'll refrain -- we already have too much of that.) Anything that causes money to be spent stimulates the economy. The issue with the stimulus bill (including this part) is not whether it will stimulate the economy, but whether it will stimulate it enough to justify adding most of a terabuck to the national debt."
Here's a question: If you take money from person A and give it to person B, have you stimulate
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Person B will have more to spend, admittedly, but person A will have less. The net effect on the economy is null.
I guess economy isn't your strongest subject?
If you e.g. take money from the poor and give it to the rich, you will be slowing the economy down. The poor person would have spent that money almost immediately on essential things like food, whereas the rich person would have put a substantial amount into savings. (This kind of reverse Robin-Hood is often good for the economy overall). The same thing works in reverse, and therefore when unemployment is high or the industry has unused capacity, it is often a go
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"I guess economy isn't your strongest subject?"
Funny. After reading your post I could ask you the same thing.
When a wealthy individual puts his/her money into savings they either put it into a savings account in a bank or they invest it. The 3rd option is that they could literally hoard it in a mattress or a safe in their home, which is the only scenario that gives your argument a leg to stand on. But only an extremely small fraction of misers do that.
The money goes into a savings account and the banks keep
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The problem at this moment is that the banks aren't lending, because they're insolvent and are unwilling to cop to that fact. When a rich person puts their money in the bank today, the bank is turning around and buying Treasuries with it. They aren't lending it out because the assets they were using to back up their reserve, loans and derivatives of loans, are, in fact, worthless.
This theory yo
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That's a good point, if it's true [mises.org].
Also, if the banks are buying treasury bonds then the government could use that money to pay off it's debts to the fed, which would deflate the pool of money thus causing prices to come down. Heck, they could liquidate any of the national debt with the money from those bonds which would help matters greatly.
You're pointing the finger at the banks, and they definitely do deserve a share of the blame, but so should the government and so should people who chose to take out loa
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I don't know if I can accept the total balance of commercial debt outstanding as a suitable proxy for amount lending. I'm also not very likely to take my econ information from a website that photoshops people's faces onto cereal boxes; this would tend to indicate they're in need of a distraction.
Your argument, essentially, is that there is no credit crisis, and that it's a conspiracy of government, bank, and media types. Yet for some bizarre reason, we had four bank failures [fdic.gov] yesterday, putting us at 13 f
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You mentioned mortgage backed securities and their value. My question is: SHOULD they have any value left ? There are those who believe that the securities created the housing bubble to begin with. And it makes perfect sense because governments securing loans only exists to encourage sub-prime lending in the first place.
If banks are insolvent right now then it is because they made bad loans. And banks who make more bad loans than good SHOULD fail. I don't see how we ever got into this belief that capital is
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And it makes perfect sense because governments securing loans only exists to encourage sub-prime lending in the first place.
This I will not contest, there's this unfortunate moral thing in the US about buying a house, but I think you'd find that if the government incentives to home-owning were removed that'd be the last act of that government. It a very popular aspect of our law and people in this country regard home ownership as basically an American tradition. They do this regardless of the economic consequences.
My original point was that when a rich person (or any person, class is irrelevant at this point in the debate) puts their money into a savings account the bank uses part of it to make loans. OK, so banks are insolvent.
You're right, but putting money in an insolvent bank is throwing bad money after good. There's nothing structural
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"How does taxing people encourage banks to make bad loans?"
I could have worded that sentence much better, admittedly. It's the process of government securing loans, which it can only do if it has the money to make good on those securities. Although obviously there's lots else the government can do with tax revenue too.
You mentioned the prospect of total bank collapse and the resulting lack of confidence in the dollar. I think this speaks volumes to one of the other sources of our problems, that we've ignore
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I'm not saying that there's no credit crisis, whatever that means, but when a given bank folds has little to do with reality and more to do with "the powers that be". A bank is declared to be insolvent by the FDIC...
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That's BS. Watch the bankers testimony that was on last week. One of the guys rattled off just how much money the lent last month alone.
Anecdotally, I have numerous friends who recently bought houses and had zero problems getting loans. Others are refing because the banks are calling them. I spoke to a mortgage broker the other day and she said loans are not a problem at all, and haven't been for a long time.
Oh wait, you must mean banks aren't
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When a wealthy individual puts his/her money into savings they either put it into a savings account in a bank or they invest it. The 3rd option is that they could literally hoard it in a mattress or a safe in their home, which is the only scenario that gives your argument a leg to stand on. But only an extremely small fraction of misers do that.
There isn't much difference between whether the money is stuck in a mattress or put in a savings account; the national banks try to keep the money supply somewhat stable, and if people stick money in mattresses, the national bank will just print more. It's as if the money was lent to the national bank instead, at 0% interest.
As to banks, some of what they lend goes towards investment, and some goes towards consumption. However, most rich people go for the investment option directly, not the banks or the mat
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Yes, fractional reserve directly contributes to inflation. Because when a bank lends out money the person who gets the loan has money to spend but that money also, technically, belongs to the person who put it in his/her savings account. However, when loans get paid back that new money that was created is destroyed and deflation takes effect and prices go down and you have an overall correction.
The important part here is that the banks need to make wise loans. If the banks get themselves into trouble then t
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"You said that banks invest the money. What happens when there is too much inventory because of extremely low consumption and thus too much investment. How does more investment help?"
I said that banks LEND the money. It's up to the market forces to determine how that money will be used.
To employ your own logic: how does the government know better than the natural market forces what products or services will be in high demand ? How do we know whether the energy of tomorrow is going to be nuclear or solar ? T
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Here's a question: If you take money from person A and give it to person B, have you stimulated anything ? Person B will have more to spend, admittedly, but person A will have less. The net effect on the economy is null.
Actually, the main cause of the great depression and a big factor in the current economic problem is not that we don't have enough wealth, but the disparity of distribution. 50% of the wealth is in the hands of a few percent of the populace. 50% of the populace has a net wealth of zero as a group. When half the population has no wealth and no realistic prospect of having wealth, who are banks supposed to be loaning money to? They have been loaning money to that 50% despite economists knowing there was littl
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The solution in that case would be for all parties to liquidate their debt and have C learn from the lesson of making bad loans. Rather than redistributing wealth in inefficient ways and encouraging people to borrow more.
When did we start to look at capital as debt rather than savings ? The problem isn't that we need people to borrow more. We need to change our attitudes, liquidate our debt and starting saving again! Banks made these bad loans because the government (Fannie Mae) was securing the mortgages.
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I'm not saying that it's fair to the people who will loose. I'm not saying that it's entirely their fault and I'm not even saying that we (the public, not government specifically), should stand back and do nothing.
There is so much blame to go around. It's not fair to blame just the banks or Wall-Street, it's not fair to blame just the Republicans or the Democrats. This is a problem of gradual, systemic tampering with the way in which people trade and do business with one another. Consider that every thing t
Props to Osirix... (Score:5, Interesting)
An excellent PACS viewer solution; unfortunately runs only on Macs; but is amazing. Developed by a set of dcotors who got fed up with Direct X and the quicksand that is WDDM and DRM nonsense.
Fully Open Source.
http://www.osirix-viewer.com/ [osirix-viewer.com]
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Developed by a set of dcotors who got fed up with Direct X and the quicksand that is WDDM and DRM nonsense.
These had nothing to do with the creation of Osirix.
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So you could say it's platform limitation is OSX.
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You don't even have to use DirectX to do graphics on windows. Vendors still ship OpenGL. So does SGI, if you don't mind an older version (plenty for most visualization tasks.)
I wish this didn't pass (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm all for the Open Source stuff and all, but every economist that I've read says that ironically, that massive layoffs are the beginning of the end of an economic downturn, and that it appears as though things will be back into shape around the end of 2009 or the beginning of 2010, and none of their arguments are contingent upon a stimulus package. In fact, none mention it.
I think that the spending on the infrastructure and unemployment benefits and the like are sufficient. Both will help in the short term and long term, but tax cuts are BS. Ever since I've been alive every politician has cut taxes, yet they always seem to go up. I'm not complaining. Our taxes are low in the US. I'm stating the facts. The only people that seem to benefit from tax breaks are those that are unaffected by their tax burden or any financial burden whatsoever.
Yes, I voted for Obama, and I don't regret it, but I think the effectiveness of this bill does not warrant the cost.
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The key words in your post: "that I've read". The stimulus is classic Keynesian economics. Not all economists buy into this model, but many do.
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What's funny is that when I was in college (90s) Keynesian was thought of to be crap. We learned it and saw many examples why it doesn't work. I was amused to see all the economists coming out of the woodwork to support it now.
Regardless if Keynesian actually works or not, it will never work in OUR situation because of one fact. It requires that in the good times you raise taxes and CUT government spending. No way that the dems (or republicans for that matter) are going to cut government spending in the
just out of curiosity (Score:5, Insightful)
every economist that I've read says that ironically, that massive layoffs are the beginning of the end of an economic downturn, and that it appears as though things will be back into shape around the end of 2009 or the beginning of 2010
What were those same economists saying this time last year about the economy at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009?
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Our taxes are low in the US.
Check your facts [wikipedia.org]. US corporate taxes are the second-highest in the world behind Japan. Personal income tax is in the upper part of the bottom third right now compared to all other countries but that will be changing as the Dems do away with the Bush tax cuts and mess with payroll and capital gains tax in order to "spread the wealth around." Most state taxes are on the rise too in a desparate attempt to allow them to keep spending money (we have both a state and county incom
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Before I recently looked it up, I remember there being a 90% tax bracket in the US. But that was a long time ago.
Then I looked it up. In the early 1960's, that was when the top tax bracket was slightly more than 90%. Now, the top tax bracket is 35%. So if you are on the top end of the US
income distribution, your taxes have been going down for the last 50 years [taxpolicycenter.org].
So if you are quite wealthy, your taxes have been going down down down for 50 years. When
politicians say "were going to have tax cuts," guess wh
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Now, the top tax bracket is 35%
Again, you're conveniently leaving out state & local taxes, and another 7.65% in social security those of us pay who are self-employed. In NY and NJ, for example, someone who's self-employed and in the top federal and state brackets has a total tax burden of way over 60%. No wonder people are fleeing the tax-crazy Northeast states and California in droves.
God forbid a politician say he is only going to raise taxes on people who make more than $200,000!
But it's not $2
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The comparison I made 91% top federal tax rate to 35% top federal tax rate. You seem to be
adding current local taxes and your double social security (aka self employment tax).
They had state and local taxes in the 1960s too.
Our government doesn't not cut spending because of politicians stranglehold on power.
Government spending does not get cut because government spending is popular.
Some voters say "don't cut education, we need to invest in our future."
Some voters say "don't cut defense, we need to be strong
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And, double check the facts (Score:4, Informative)
US corporate taxes are the second-highest in the world behind Japan.
Is that statutory rates, or effective rates [uhttp]?
Also note that we're pretty solidly on the low end in personal income tax.
You can call US taxes a lot of things, but "low" is not one of them, especially considering the services what we get from the government in exchange for the taxes we pay.
If you want to argue that we could potentially be getting a better return on our tax dollars, then I'll agree. If nothing else, the example of per-capita public health spending comes to mind -- for a smaller amount, many other countries pull off universal insurance coverage. And I'm sure that aside, there's always work to do -- I think it'll be a long time before either by active policy study or by the evolutionary algorithm of competitive markets we've discovered most of the easy efficiency gains.
But if you want to argue that the U.S. isn't a pretty good place to live or do business, or if you want to argue that tax contributions to that are negligible, I'm off that boat.
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But if you want to argue that the U.S. isn't a pretty good place to live or do business, or if you want to argue that tax contributions to that are negligible, I'm off that boat.
It's not as good as it used to be, and the massive amount of debt we're undertaking is just going to make things worse. If I were stating a new business and weren't restricted on where I had to live by family commitments, Ireland, New Zealand, and several Southeast Asian countries would be at the top of my list.
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I'm all for the Open Source stuff and all, but every economist that I've read says that ironically, that massive layoffs are the beginning of the end of an economic downturn,
And if we're nowhere near the end, businesses would be... hiring? Just saying it's a lousy indicator, usually the economy recovers after a round of layoffs but if it doesn't you'd see exactly the same.
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An interesting post except for the problem that economic systems are global and linked. Remember not all countries we do business with subscribe to Keynesian economics. I think CSmonitor did a story pointing out that the solution needs to be global. Not just a US effort.
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I'm not really sure what your point is. Each sovereign nation needs to adopt it's own policies, and I agree that economics is a global issue and other nation's policies will have an effect. That effect mostly comes in the form of trade. If your domestic production is flourishing but (somehow) you're the only nation and the rest of the world can't afford your exports then you'll simply have to do without importing anything (since exports pay for imports). Or you'll have to lower your prices. Either way this
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When Paris Hilton buys a new Gucci bag she's indirectly employing the shop keeper who sold her the bag. The shop keeper is then indirectly employing the grocer who sells her her groceries and so on.
>p>Of course, when the money Paris was going to spend on a Gucci bag is given to the poor, they tend to spend it on food which supports the grocer, truckers, farmers, etc and everyone they hire.
In turn, that means Paris has to get the money for the bag from the tax sheltered overseas bank account and put it into the U.S. economy instead.
Moving markers around on the board may not seem productive, but at the same time, there's little substantial reason for a recession or depression in the first place. O
The Slashdot circle jerk (Score:3, Interesting)
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"If the average slashdotter's spent half the time working to promote open source to the average consumer,"
The average consumer can afford Windows, learned on Windows, and does not need to invest the considerable time to learn anything different.
When there are replacements for everything they use on Windows that run on both Windows and Linux Joe Sixpack _might_ give a shit.
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There pretty much is an equivalent to most things, excepting games and very specialized software. Joe Sixpack doesn't know about any of them (well, maybe a couple). But good office apps? Yes. Good browsers with plugins? Yes. Good email? Yes. Good multimedia? Yes. And they run on both platforms without any problem.
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"We spend all of our time going omg open source software might appear in Project XYZ. In the end it never does"
You mean like the industry wag about optical processors, holographic storage, cell phone competition, lowered broadband prices, higher connectivity, modular windows OS, fair competition, etc, etc. There is a lot of hot air on the commercial side that promises a lot of solutions but the problems just seem to remain.
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Sounds like brain crack! [zefrank.com]
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Yea, but most of us make our livelihoods by using closed source proprietary code at our places of business. Realistically, open source creates fewer jobs than a closed source solution. Not that I'm complaining, I am all for open source, but for that just doesn't seem to fit in my book for maximizing job creation...
This is true. However, as it stands, the healthcare industry in the US is massively bloated and inefficient. Increasing the efficiency of the system should reduce costs, prevent mistakes, and allow doctors to spend more time with patients.
Healthy people are good for the economy.
Of course, this all lines up nicely with the Dem's vision for universal healthcare. If the government's going to be paying for it, they're going to want things to be as streamlined and inexpensive as possible.
Broadband Census? (Score:2)
"The Assistant Secretary shall develop and maintain a comprehensive nationwide inventory map of existing broadband service capability and availability in the United States that depicts the geographic extent to which broadband service capability is deployed and available from a commercial provider or public provider throughout each State."
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RedHat is already onboard. (Score:2, Informative)
A bit of time with the Google reveals Red Hat Enterprise Healthcare Platform [redhat.com] which likely is the reason for this being included.
A quick review of the literature shows that several hospital software vendors have been converting their offering to run on a RHL backend.
That's likely where the main open source offerings will appear, replacing mainframes with cheap linux server solutions, and some database apps.
Tax credits for individual open source programmers (Score:2)
It'll never happen, but there will be tax credits for large banks that use open source.
Typical Politics (Score:2)
If you cant smell the pork all over this package, you need to get your nose checked.
Re:i'm-sure-that-makes-us-socialists-somehow dept. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, but no matter what it makes us, the US population in general will not know about it till well past 2010. It will take that long for our legislators to actually read the damn thing. Sure there will be watchdog groups who have read it before then, but like those that nay-sayed on the DMCA and US PATRIOT Act, they will be ignored until we are suffering the bad and unintended consequences of caveats in this bill.
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It will take that long for our legislators to actually read the damn thing.
Read? They don't need to read... They didn't read this bill before passing it.
Re:i'm-sure-that-makes-us-socialists-somehow dept. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, but no matter what it makes us, the US population in general will not know about it till well past 2010. It will take that long for our legislators to actually read the damn thing. Sure there will be watchdog groups who have read it before then, but like those that nay-sayed on the DMCA and US PATRIOT Act, they will be ignored until we are suffering the bad and unintended consequences of caveats in this bill.
You know, this bill is a perfect example of why we need DownsizeDC's Read the Bills Act [downsizedc.org]. It is unacceptable that Congress votes for legislation they haven't fscking read. Please contact your Representative and Senators about that act.
Three other DownsizeDC campaigns that this bill perfectly shows the need for are:
Enumerated Powers Act [downsizedc.org] - "It's time for Congress to, "Cite it, chapter and verse." Where do they derive their authority? When they pass new laws or spend taxpayer money, they should be required to point to specific language in the Constitution. The Enumerated Powers Act would require them to do precisely that."
One Subject at a Time Act [downsizedc.org] - "Congress routinely passes unpopular laws by combining them with completely unrelated bills that have majority support".
Federal deficit causes Congressional pay cut [downsizedc.org]
Federal deficit causes Congressional pay cut - "Congress needs incentives to Downsize DC. H.R. 500 would provide such an incentive. If the federal government runs a deficit, then Congress will suffer a cut in pay. Tell your elected representatives to sponsor H.R. 500."
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I am actually none an atheist, thank you very much.
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That's unpossible.
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It's a perfectly cromulent assertion.
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I see it more as a debt-financed investment. Which isn't to say all of this deficit spending isn't scary and possibly quite unwise, but it is encouraging to see at least a portion of the money is being used in ways that might ultimately save the government money and allow the economy to work more
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_healthcare_software [wikipedia.org]
mind you, some of the research on open source I looked at considered openoffice a healthcare office suite.
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Here's one: http://www.indivohealth.org/ [indivohealth.org]
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The open source health management stack that runs on the open source GT.M, it is called VistA. It is used by many healthcare providers here in the US and Mexico.
Would adding a link have killed ya? http://worldvista.org/ [worldvista.org] I mean you don't want readers to have to google it for themselves, do you?
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I'd also like to question your lumping Google in with companies we should just go to. Google has a pretty shaky record at this point and most of it's cool factor is still mostly untested by government standards.
I think you need to work on your theory here before making sweeping statements than "The naysayers will have their marketing misinformation and ob
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Go back and read the complains of obama administration, they were complaining that Windows XP was being used not Vista.